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ESI 1 v ESI 2 - Initial Hearing 01-02/09/2020, Court of Appeal 17/09/2020 (p127)

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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,786
    PeanutsMolloy said:

    Seems to me that, notwithstanding the hours of argument (and waffle) and the £££,£££s of legal costs incurred, the verdict is likely to be precisely that predicted by many here weeks ago.
    Namely that: 
    1. the sale by Panorama to Lex Dom is indeed contingent on the buyer (i.e. owner of LD - currently PE) passing the EFL's OADT
    2. the buyer has the right, under that contract, for its appeal against the EFL's initial rejection to be seen through to the completion.
    Thus the injunction preventing Panorama from selling CAFC to a third party will be granted and take effect until such time as the appeal process is completed. 
    If the appeal is successful then ownership of CAFC will vest with Lex Dom. If it isn't, it stays with Panorama.

    Ball in EFL's court.

    That's my reading of it too. Problem is, who is chairing the appeal & when will it be heard. If it's an independent tribunal  (who seem to take ages just to convene) then we could be fucked.
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,034
    stoneroses19 said:
    Should we be concerned that now Farnell has sold Lex Dominus, that all evidence against him today will just be dismissed by judge?
    Surely not he acted for multiple parties. A clear conflict of interest. 
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,052
    Obviously we had the late start and then probably two-and-a-half hours of legal representation.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,445
    Sorry been busy with a sick child today, can anyone enlighten me on what clanger MM dropped?
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,681
    Addickted said:
    Chaisty pointing at his watch in a dramatic manner.
    Cheeky bastard! He had an hour and a half!
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,501
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Oh stop Lauren, please... He's already dead!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    Fuck that. Take no chances and (metaphorically) chop him up into itty bitty pieces and spread them to the 4 winds.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,416
    Didn't hear Chaisty bring up any legal precedent?
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Cor, hurry up Lauren ffs


    ;)
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,997
    edited September 2020
    LK arguing that damages would be a perfectly adequate remedy therefore no injunction needed (and harm caused to Panorama would be disproportionate)
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,264
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    Should we be concerned that now Farnell has sold Lex Dominus, that all evidence against him today will just be dismissed by judge?
    Surely the link is there and it must mean something?
    I agree. It was just a negative thought that popped in to my head. Hopefully the judge will deem it relevant. 

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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,778
    edited September 2020
    Yes, let the crooks fight each other for the money. Just get them ALL out of the club. That includes you MM and TN.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,768
    ross1 said:
    Obviously we had the late start and then probably two-and-a-half hours of legal representation.
    Time wasting coming back to bite us again.
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,997
    Now describing the EFL's relevance, albeit currently hypothetical
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,308


    Judge is not sure at all if we'll reach a conclusion today. Kreamer concerned that we'll struggle to get everybody back on at a different time. Chaisty/Judge already confirmed they are not free tomorrow morn. #cafc #SaveCAFC
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    We're going to plow on for now. Kreamer says she has 15-20 minutes of further argument.
  • CheshireAddick
    CheshireAddick Posts: 1,307
    Looks like Chaisty is desperate for a shit 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,858
    CheshireAddick said:
    Looks like Chaisty is desperate for a shit 
    That's just his face...
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,778
    edited September 2020
    CheshireAddick said:
    Looks like Chaisty is desperate for a shit 
    Has Elfs used his spoon yet?
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,997
    Stating very unlikely that Elliottttt could be approved by the EFL given the wording of their response alongside their rules


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  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,681
    Dazzler21 said:
    Sorry been busy with a sick child today, can anyone enlighten me on what clanger MM dropped?
    Technical errors re the Owners and Directors Test in essence.
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,427
    Someone let me know if cahones appears at farnells with a tray of tea a biscuits. 
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,308


    Kreamer argues court should take the course of action that would cause the least irreversible damage. Argues risk to #cafc outweighs risk to Lex Dominus
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,889
    CheshireAddick said:
    Looks like Chaisty is desperate for a shit 
    Elfs can offer him some suggestions 😉.
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,997
    Now addressing source and sufficiency issue - Farnelliot dont have it. Bury FC now raised, Chaisty's arguments being rebutted.
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 51,052
    Kreamer says Mihael asserts there is a "very real risk" of serious sanctions - including expulsion - being imposed on the club. Mentions Bury. "It is not pie in the sky to state a football club - as a matter of fact - be expelled and cease to exist."
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,786
    swords_alive said:


    Judge is not sure at all if we'll reach a conclusion today. Kreamer concerned that we'll struggle to get everybody back on at a different time. Chaisty/Judge already confirmed they are not free tomorrow morn. #cafc #SaveCAFC
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    We're going to plow on for now. Kreamer says she has 15-20 minutes of further argument.
    Can't the judge just make up his mind later/overnight & give his decision tomorrow. Does anyone actually have to be there ??
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,309
    edited September 2020
    Callumcafc said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Addickted said:
    Chaisty pointing at his watch in a dramatic manner.
    When you hate someone and don't even know what they look like, that's Chaisty
    So you have an image to direct your anger towards... :-)


    One shirt. One tie.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,778
    edited September 2020
    It may be telling that ESI2 have not explained why they expect to win the EFL appeal. Surely if it was on a technicality that was easy to remedy, they would refer directly to what that was. The EFL have had loads of time to have heard this. They are a disgrace to the game.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,335
    We need the wisdom of Solomon. Give them £0.50p
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