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Charlton Athletic v Fleetwood Town | Tuesday 3rd November 2020 | Post Match thread

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  • A great win against a very good side at this level. 

    I would like to see us hold on to the ball better at times - only 35% possession - but not complaining one bit.
  • Leuth said:
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    Apart from the Cup games, I totally agree.

    Crazy he has got in the side before Morgan.

    In fact, I'll stick my neck out now. I reckon he could well go back to Man Utd in January.
    The only reason we might keep him is that as an U21 his wages (if we pay any) don't count towards the cap

    Man U might not be happy though!
    Good points.

    But, as you say, I can't see United being happy if he doesn't play. In that respect, I'd love to know whether there is a clause in the loan agreement that he has to be in the 16 if fit.
    I'm always a bit suspicious when a loan player keeps appearing on the bench but never seems to come on...

    He's been in the 18 in every match, started 3, been on the bench in the other 7 matches and NEVER come on.

    He's starting to look like a last resort signing, in that period before TS took over when we had no money and he was all we could bring in. Once the finance arrived, we could and would do better
    I think we're being ridiculously harsh on Levitt. He put in a really good showing against Lincoln, then couldn't pick the Sunderland lock and was a little cowed in storm conditions at Northampton. He's obviously a classy player and I think he has a part to play this season, especially when we groove a little more as an attacking force 
    You obviously don't play for United and your country at such a young age without a huge amount of talent. But I've seen absolutely nothing from him in any of the games he has played to say he has been classy for us. 

    Anyway, let's not get hang up on him tonight after such a cracking game. Which he watched from the subs bench. 
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,233
    A great win against a very good side at this level. 

    I would like to see us hold on to the ball better at times - only 35% possession - but not complaining one bit.
    Leicester spanked Leeds last night with around the same... Its what you do with it that counts 
  • Leuth said:
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    Apart from the Cup games, I totally agree.

    Crazy he has got in the side before Morgan.

    In fact, I'll stick my neck out now. I reckon he could well go back to Man Utd in January.
    The only reason we might keep him is that as an U21 his wages (if we pay any) don't count towards the cap

    Man U might not be happy though!
    Good points.

    But, as you say, I can't see United being happy if he doesn't play. In that respect, I'd love to know whether there is a clause in the loan agreement that he has to be in the 16 if fit.
    I'm always a bit suspicious when a loan player keeps appearing on the bench but never seems to come on...

    He's been in the 18 in every match, started 3, been on the bench in the other 7 matches and NEVER come on.

    He's starting to look like a last resort signing, in that period before TS took over when we had no money and he was all we could bring in. Once the finance arrived, we could and would do better
    I think we're being ridiculously harsh on Levitt. He put in a really good showing against Lincoln, then couldn't pick the Sunderland lock and was a little cowed in storm conditions at Northampton. He's obviously a classy player and I think he has a part to play this season, especially when we groove a little more as an attacking force 
    You obviously don't play for United and your country at such a young age without a huge amount of talent. But I've seen absolutely nothing from him in any of the games he has played to say he has been classy for us. 

    Anyway, let's not get hang up on him tonight after such a cracking game. Which he watched from the subs bench. 
    Also going to be plenty of opportunities for Levitt yet

    Still a LOT of Football and a good few injuries / suspensions to come
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited November 2020
    A few things. 

    This team is played six, won six. And that's with 3 or 4 of them playing themselves into fitness. 

    Doughty's injury is almost a blessing in disguise.  Possibly an unpopular opinion, I would put him in our top ten outfield players, I am not sure he would get in our best team though.  I think the same could be true for Maddison.

    If it wasn't for Covid I would send them all on a week's holiday in the sun Saturday night they deserve it. 

    This team is a title winning team, in a very different way to Curbs and Powell's.

    I would love to sign Shinnie on a 18 month contract in January and bring another loan striker in. 

    Washington is now 1 goal ahead of Taylor in the 18/19 20/21 head to head :-)

    He has also started less games. 
  • Barton post-match comments:

    “It was a really good game”

    “After Evans two goals, only thinking about winning the game, we were the better side, the better footballing team”

    “They’re a big physical side, Lee has set them up well. They’ll be efficient in this league due to that physicality “

  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,346
    edited November 2020
    I certainly don't think Doughty uses the ball particularly well yet. His pace and directness is a weapon but he won't help a possession game. Not that without him we've gone for that either. 
  • First watch of the season for me, very impressed with Washington’s all round game, not so impressed with central midfield. Know it won’t happen but would love to build the team round Albie - proper player who plays with his head up. Gunther was quality and Pratley too

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  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,958
    msomerton said:
    Sorry that was a poor performance from the team, to give them 60% possession is a worry. May be we are too easily bullied.
    Unbeaten in a run of 7 games which includes 6 clean sheets, 6 successive wins.

    I'm getting the impression that you're not really understanding Bowyer's gameplan - and how we are set up to play?


  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,040
    Leuth said:
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    Apart from the Cup games, I totally agree.

    Crazy he has got in the side before Morgan.

    In fact, I'll stick my neck out now. I reckon he could well go back to Man Utd in January.
    The only reason we might keep him is that as an U21 his wages (if we pay any) don't count towards the cap

    Man U might not be happy though!
    Good points.

    But, as you say, I can't see United being happy if he doesn't play. In that respect, I'd love to know whether there is a clause in the loan agreement that he has to be in the 16 if fit.
    I'm always a bit suspicious when a loan player keeps appearing on the bench but never seems to come on...

    He's been in the 18 in every match, started 3, been on the bench in the other 7 matches and NEVER come on.

    He's starting to look like a last resort signing, in that period before TS took over when we had no money and he was all we could bring in. Once the finance arrived, we could and would do better
    I think we're being ridiculously harsh on Levitt. He put in a really good showing against Lincoln, then couldn't pick the Sunderland lock and was a little cowed in storm conditions at Northampton. He's obviously a classy player and I think he has a part to play this season, especially when we groove a little more as an attacking force 
    You obviously don't play for United and your country at such a young age without a huge amount of talent. But I've seen absolutely nothing from him in any of the games he has played to say he has been classy for us. 

    Anyway, let's not get hang up on him tonight after such a cracking game. Which he watched from the subs bench. 
    Also going to be plenty of opportunities for Levitt yet

    Still a LOT of Football and a good few injuries / suspensions to come
    It didn't feel quite right liking a post that predicts we'll have lots of injuries and suspensions, but I'm sure it's true. It's far too early to write Levitt off. There's a quality player in there, he just needs to get used to playing in a league that's so physical.  I hope hope he gets a chance to play in the cup for us and prove some of the doubters wrong.
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,758
    Leuth said:
    LenGlover said:
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    I don't see Levitt offering anything Albie doesn't or could.
    They're different players. One's an attacking midfielder and the other one's a deep-lying playmaker. Levitt gets in the side if Pratley and Watson are unavailable, or we fancy knocking it about a bit more
    But Levitt can't do the defensive job Pratley and Washington can do, Shinnie is our set piece king, and in terms of creative passes, is Levitt any better than Morgan?
    Give the kid a chance! He's only 18/19 and only been here 5 minutes. We have played some very tricky sides recently where you want the trusted 'old heads'. Over the course of the season when he settles into the squad, i am sure we will see some more of him and we can see what he brings. 

    He is a very different player to Morgan.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,483
    edited November 2020

    Supporters who purchased the game on Valley Pass can watch Bowyer's full post-game press conference.

    The press conference is also available for Valley Pass subscribers.

    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5fa1db1441ccd/bowyer-were-well-ahead-of-where-we-should-be-theyre-getting-fitter-and-better

  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,810
    18 points in 17 days! At this rate we'll finish on 209 points. 

  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    MattF said:
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    Thing is i can see United recalling him January if he doesn't play, would
    that be a bad thing, he seems to be struggling to get a foothold
    and Lee clearly doesn't see him as a regular in the side.
    Downside to him going back would be that whatever wages we're paying him (if any) aren't counting towards the cap, and it then becomes a case of do we roll the dice for another kid who won't likely have played any senior football this season
    He is taking up a loan spot though. So could be an opportunity to take a look at the squad and bring in a different loanee. Another striker to cover/compete with Washington could be a good shout. 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,988
    edited November 2020
    RC_CAFC said:
    Leuth said:
    LenGlover said:
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    I don't see Levitt offering anything Albie doesn't or could.
    They're different players. One's an attacking midfielder and the other one's a deep-lying playmaker. Levitt gets in the side if Pratley and Watson are unavailable, or we fancy knocking it about a bit more
    But Levitt can't do the defensive job Pratley and Washington can do, Shinnie is our set piece king, and in terms of creative passes, is Levitt any better than Morgan?
    Give the kid a chance! He's only 18/19 and only been here 5 minutes. We have played some very tricky sides recently where you want the trusted 'old heads'. Over the course of the season when he settles into the squad, i am sure we will see some more of him and we can see what he brings. 

    He is a very different player to Morgan.
    Whilst I agree, with Gilbey coming back, that’s another midfielder fit. Morgan did well tonight too. January could be another chance to push on, but with a wage cap. 

    Levitt, ‘the best passer of a ball at united’ will no doubt come good. I just don’t think he’s gonna be necessary for us this season. 
  • Wonder if Lee has broken it down into the 9game blocks again. First 9 ended with Portsmouth W6 D1 L2. 19 points. Second 9 starts with a win, wonder how many we’ll get from this block? With the fixtures coming up I’d say 20-22 isn’t unrealistic to aim for. That would give put us around 40points after 18. Too early to predict we’ll have the league win by March? I’m going to go lay down. 
  • mascot88
    mascot88 Posts: 9,640
    great result great result and no shortage of resolve, this squad are going places this year. 

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  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,958
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    He'll play in the Cup on Saturday


  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,040
    Wonder if Lee has broken it down into the 9game blocks again. First 9 ended with Portsmouth W6 D1 L2. 19 points. Second 9 starts with a win, wonder how many we’ll get from this block? With the fixtures coming up I’d say 20-22 isn’t unrealistic to aim for. That would give put us around 40points after 18. Too early to predict we’ll have the league win by March? I’m going to go lay down. 
    I've no idea whether he has or not. Surely if he has though, getting the first supportive owner of his managerial career would be significant enough to start counting again from then.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,332
    Barton post-match comments:

    “It was a really good game”

    “After Evans two goals, only thinking about winning the game, we were the better side, the better footballing team”

    “They’re a big physical side, Lee has set them up well. They’ll be efficient in this league due to that physicality “

    ...but we fouled them more and when you add in the 65% of possession we had makes us quite physical as well, and of course Evans clearly fouled their player when he scored our second from another lump up front, and obviously we bought down their player in the box and we had no other chances after that and....blah blah blah.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,498
    That's the type of performance I've been expecting to see from Watson. Can't fault him, not even a booking to his name! Hopefully many more to come. 
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    Leuth said:
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    Apart from the Cup games, I totally agree.

    Crazy he has got in the side before Morgan.

    In fact, I'll stick my neck out now. I reckon he could well go back to Man Utd in January.
    The only reason we might keep him is that as an U21 his wages (if we pay any) don't count towards the cap

    Man U might not be happy though!
    Good points.

    But, as you say, I can't see United being happy if he doesn't play. In that respect, I'd love to know whether there is a clause in the loan agreement that he has to be in the 16 if fit.
    I'm always a bit suspicious when a loan player keeps appearing on the bench but never seems to come on...

    He's been in the 18 in every match, started 3, been on the bench in the other 7 matches and NEVER come on.

    He's starting to look like a last resort signing, in that period before TS took over when we had no money and he was all we could bring in. Once the finance arrived, we could and would do better
    I think we're being ridiculously harsh on Levitt. He put in a really good showing against Lincoln, then couldn't pick the Sunderland lock and was a little cowed in storm conditions at Northampton. He's obviously a classy player and I think he has a part to play this season, especially when we groove a little more as an attacking force 
    I'm not saying Levitt is no good and yes he was unlucky with the awful conditions at Northampton.

    That said I have yet to see anything from Levitt that I've not seen from Albie and if a loanee brings nothing additional to the squad in his own right then it makes sense to me for us to play our own man.

    If Albie gets a run in the side I think he will be a revelation. Just my view.
  • Oggy Red said:
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    He'll play in the Cup on Saturday


    United won't want to risk him getting cup tied.
  • limeygent
    limeygent Posts: 3,217
    What a dream team we have this season ! 

    The sky's the limit with the fire they have in their bellies and the belief in their hearts. 

    Almost brings me to tears .

    Actually, that was Mr F bursting his birthday balloon he's been playing  with....
    Never heard it called that before.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,958
    Leuth said:
    LenGlover said:
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    I don't see Levitt offering anything Albie doesn't or could.
    They're different players. One's an attacking midfielder and the other one's a deep-lying playmaker. Levitt gets in the side if Pratley and Watson are unavailable, or we fancy knocking it about a bit more
    I agree with that Leuth.

    A further point, we've had a bit of a rebuild with so many new players coming in over the last few weeks.
    Several of those have had no pre-season or they're lacking in match practice.

    Bowyer's opted for a protect the defence policy with the 2 old hands, Prats and Watson, doing lots of ugly work and using their experience. They can rotate with each other once the new people have settled in and their fitness is up to scratch;  Levitt will get games in rotation. His style of play will perhaps offer the chance to play more expansive football.

    Under the embargo, Bowyer bust a gut to get Levitt, who's rated very highly not just by Bowyer himself, but by  the Man U and Wales set ups.
    Even though he's only 19, I believe we'll see Levitt get opportunities when the time is right for the team to be set up to play to his strengths.


  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,675
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    Send him back to Man U.........they need him more than we do right now 😄