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Marcus Maddison - 20 months jail for GBH (p77)
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I have a suspicion that Maddison is the sort of player who looks better on 90 second highlight packages than he does when you watch the whole match, as he'll usually do something brilliant every game, but perhaps doesn't contribute enough to the overall play?
I once had a conversation with a Barnsley fan about Neil Redfearn, we agreed that he was that sort of player too.3 -
I think a fit and mentally focused Maddison does more than that personally. His stats back that up.
It’s whether he wants to get back to those levels that is the key.1 -
Whisky Tango Foxtrot has lentils and my tea (High!), got to do with Marcus Madison? His performance todate, has not been good. Simple as that.soapy_jones said:
Er yes!Bromley Graham said:
So you can be a murderer, slaughter 5 women, but run out for CAFC for half a match and that makes him ok in your eyes as long as he performs to your perceived standards?soapy_jones said:He's one of those players you just want to see take off for us, bit like the Watt scenario. He could be Jack the fucking Ripper as far as i am concerned as long as he starts contributing to us tearing this piss pot of a league up!
The fact his demeanour, personality and personal life choices don't suit the CAFC wokebase don't bother me one bit.
Crack on Marcus, but if you don't start pulling your finger out on the pitch, you will start getting pelters from me!
Got lentils for tea tonight Bromley?1 -
It could be the way that we are playing that’s not bringing the best out in Madison. I know that most of the team had a mare against Burton but playing out from the back at such a slow pace and the hoofing the ball over midfield doesn’t help to bring Madison into the game. I think the first half he barely touched the ball and when he did he tried too much to show his talent. I’m hoping that Bowyer and Jacko will shape our play accordingly when Madison is on the pitch. It looks like it might take a bit more time.0
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Madison has the makings of the new Tony Watt.2
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I agree about moving the ball quicker but I'm not sure that LB will change the system to suit Maddison unless we stop winning games to nil and/or he wants us to have a Plan B - and I think the latter is more likely to happen in the last 20 minutes if and when we are chasing the game rather than from the outset. The alternative is, of course, for Maddison to adapt his game.Solidgone said:It could be the way that we are playing that’s not bringing the best out in Madison. I know that most of the team had a mare against Burton but playing out from the back at such a slow pace and the hoofing the ball over midfield doesn’t help to bring Madison into the game. I think the first half he barely touched the ball and when he did he tried too much to show his talent. I’m hoping that Bowyer and Jacko will shape our play accordingly when Madison is on the pitch. It looks like it might take a bit more time.0 -
His style for now suits a substitution role.0
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The guy needs more time to get fully fit and to gel with his team mates. At League One level, his goals and assists history tell their own story. We need to have a bit of faith here and suffer a few indifferent performances if necessary until it all starts to click. When it does, we will be even stronger than we are already and we are none too shabby...3
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But, with Morgan in the form he is in and Williams coming into it more, thankfully we have enough playmakers on the pitch without somebody whose body and head are not right.0
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His league 1 record also suggests that teams with him in don't win enough games to win promotion. I am sure Bowyer could come up with a formation that added 10 goals to our season so far, but probably 10 less points.Pavoren007 said:The guy needs more time to get fully fit and to gel with his team mates. At League One level, his goals and assists history tell their own story. We need to have a bit of faith here and suffer a few indifferent performances if necessary until it all starts to click. When it does, we will be even stronger than we are already and we are none too shabby...
I am half convinced that Peterborough historically set up more to show case and flog their strikers than actually win football matches.2 - Sponsored links:
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At the moment I perceive Maddison to be cover for JFC, but even though JFC is injured Maddison is rather marginalised.
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Maddison and JFC are not comparable. They play completely different positions and roles within the side.seth plum said:At the moment I perceive Maddison to be cover for JFC, but even though JFC is injured Maddison is rather marginalised.6 -
I'm sure their Chairman harbours dreams of being a Championship club - - but you've got a point: first they set up to be financially sustainable, which they achieve by the model you've mentioned.Cafc43v3r said:
His league 1 record also suggests that teams with him in don't win enough games to win promotion. I am sure Bowyer could come up with a formation that added 10 goals to our season so far, but probably 10 less points.Pavoren007 said:The guy needs more time to get fully fit and to gel with his team mates. At League One level, his goals and assists history tell their own story. We need to have a bit of faith here and suffer a few indifferent performances if necessary until it all starts to click. When it does, we will be even stronger than we are already and we are none too shabby...
I am half convinced that Peterborough historically set up more to show case and flog their strikers than actually win football matches.
Although don't forget they did actually win promotion only a few years ago - and managed to get relegated with a record high 54 points!
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Surely it would be the same amount just paid up front? Getting him off the books995632 said:
That payoff would still count to our total wage bill, so we'd be giving away a chunk of the stupid wage cap for nothing.carly burn said:
Wouldn't be surprised to see Sandgaard buy out his contract at Christmas if he don't pull his finger out quick and there's better players about.Valley11 said:People aren’t scapegoating him.
He’s looked pretty average so far. Against Burton he looked unfit and disinterested. You’d think that would mean putting your energies into taking this chance. Not sure posting insta videos at 3am is the Bowyer way.
Suspect he won’t be with us beyond this season. That’s not scapegoating that’s just an opinion.0 -
Jesus, the guys played... what... about 300 minutes for us? And we're talking about paying him off? I've met 2 year olds with more patience than some football fans.
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He's about as similar to JFC as he is Amosseth plum said:At the moment I perceive Maddison to be cover for JFC, but even though JFC is injured Maddison is rather marginalised.
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But why pay off a player who a. should/could actually benefit the team and b. Would still take a chunk of our wage cap budget with him?SamE7 said:
Surely it would be the same amount just paid up front? Getting him off the books995632 said:
That payoff would still count to our total wage bill, so we'd be giving away a chunk of the stupid wage cap for nothing.carly burn said:
Wouldn't be surprised to see Sandgaard buy out his contract at Christmas if he don't pull his finger out quick and there's better players about.Valley11 said:People aren’t scapegoating him.
He’s looked pretty average so far. Against Burton he looked unfit and disinterested. You’d think that would mean putting your energies into taking this chance. Not sure posting insta videos at 3am is the Bowyer way.
Suspect he won’t be with us beyond this season. That’s not scapegoating that’s just an opinion.
There is a player in there, just maybe needs to work more to fit a role within the team - probably won't be given the free role he had at Peterborough and will be expected to track back.1 -
I think he can be an asset and I'm looking forward to seeing him show what he can do! I was merely explaining the wage implications...Exiled_Addick said:Jesus, the guys played... what... about 300 minutes for us? And we're talking about paying him off? I've met 2 year olds with more patience than some football fans.0 -
I agree, he's a left footed midfielder who at the moment does not show the same work rate asPelling1993 said:
He's about as similar to JFC as he is Amosseth plum said:At the moment I perceive Maddison to be cover for JFC, but even though JFC is injured Maddison is rather marginalised.
Amos.2 -
Agreed. Let’s judge him when he has had a run of games. The bloke has the ability to win a game on his own. But in true fickle football fan fashion (easier to type than say!) he is being written off. Give him a chance FFS!Exiled_Addick said:Jesus, the guys played... what... about 300 minutes for us? And we're talking about paying him off? I've met 2 year olds with more patience than some football fans.6 - Sponsored links:
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This with bells onExiled_Addick said:Jesus, the guys played... what... about 300 minutes for us? And we're talking about paying him off? I've met 2 year olds with more patience than some football fans.0 -
If you come on wearing 2 different colour boots you'd best make something happen...shocker8
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Just for the record I'm not advocating that because that would obviously be stupidSamE7 said:
Surely it would be the same amount just paid up front? Getting him off the books995632 said:
That payoff would still count to our total wage bill, so we'd be giving away a chunk of the stupid wage cap for nothing.carly burn said:
Wouldn't be surprised to see Sandgaard buy out his contract at Christmas if he don't pull his finger out quick and there's better players about.Valley11 said:People aren’t scapegoating him.
He’s looked pretty average so far. Against Burton he looked unfit and disinterested. You’d think that would mean putting your energies into taking this chance. Not sure posting insta videos at 3am is the Bowyer way.
Suspect he won’t be with us beyond this season. That’s not scapegoating that’s just an opinion.0 -
We brightened up significantly in the last 30 when Maddison came on, we were actually building some decent momentum until the goal and he whipped in a number of good balls and got in behind their defence, which definitely wasn't happening before he came on.SamE7 said:If you come on wearing 2 different colour boots you'd best make something happen...shocker
I wasn't impressed with him last Tuesday, last night he was one of our better players. He was involved in all our chances created in the last 30, which there were significantly more of when he came on compared to beforehand.14 -
And he did. I can think of 3 or 4 balls into the box last night that caused issues. One of the positives about last night for me was he looked a little fitter and more mobile.SamE7 said:If you come on wearing 2 different colour boots you'd best make something happen...shocker
I still think he is a little trigger happy, and should sometimes look for the easier ball. But I guess you don't get all those assists and goals from not trying.
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he was the only one who created anything at all when he came on last night, their full back was terrified of him9
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I can't believe no-one was on the end of the ball he put across the deck with his right. Was absolutely superb. We lacked so much movement up the pitch last night, was shocking.Elthamaddick said:he was the only one who created anything at all when he came on last night, their full back was terrified of him10 -
We don’t have enough players that gamble with balls in to the box.cafcpolo said:
I can't believe no-one was on the end of the ball he put across the deck with his right. Was absolutely superb. We lacked so much movement up the pitch last night, was shocking.Elthamaddick said:he was the only one who created anything at all when he came on last night, their full back was terrified of him0 -
His crossing was decent, the quality of that right footed cross really surprised me, and I suspect the MKD players too
The strikers do need to anticipate better, I don't know whether it's because they're not on his wavelength yet, or whether they're just not good enough
His defensive workrate isn't good though, from the East stand you could see him jogging back slowly when we lost the ball giving no cover to the right of the defence, something you need to do in a 4-2-3-1 which we played for the last 30 minutes2 -
Trouble is, players like that aren’t going to defend - if Bowyer expected him to defend them he’s signed the wrong bloke. Even when he does track back his tackling leaves a lot to be desired, and probably better if he doesn’t - he gives away really cheap free kicks.killerandflash said:His crossing was decent, the quality of that right footed cross really surprised me, and I suspect the MKD players too
The strikers do need to anticipate better, I don't know whether it's because they're not on his wavelength yet, or whether they're just not good enough
His defensive workrate isn't good though, from the East stand you could see him jogging back slowly when we lost the ball giving no cover to the right of the defence, something you need to do in a 4-2-3-1 which we played for the last 30 minutesPersonally I don’t have a problem with having a luxury player that isn’t going to work as hard as the others, particularly if he is going to provide a game changing moment or carve out a few chances. However he needs to do that every game, if he doesn’t then we really are carrying a passenger.In terms of the strikers not being on his wavelength or not being good enough - it’s a bit of both. But they really do need to gamble and anticipate better than they do.2
