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Has Bowyer lost it?
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Maybe, with our tough run in this season then if we make the play offs we will have done it the hard way by beating a big portion of the other teams around us. So we will go in confident and we will win them.aliwibble said:
They're the best bit when you win, but they're horrible if you lose.Athletico Charlton said:
Play offs are the best bit @Dave2l - just have to hope that we can get to Wembley for them if we get there.Dave2l said:The clean sheet says a lot and it's very important.
We need a run of at least 8 games where we don't lose.
Have to attempt to chase 2nd spot.
Can't handle the playoffs again!
Just need to keep winning. Pretty simple.0 -
Lee has lost the plot recently, tactics substitutions and team selection of round peg , square holes.
Yesterdays win was a lot more solid than recent performances, and needs to carry on if we are to have any chance of getting into the playoffs.
I remember that when we were in the premier league Curbs at the time set a record for 8 games in a row for consecutive defeats.
I wonder if some fans were baying for blood then, probably, and yet I think of him as the best Charlton manager in my lifetime , yes even ahead of LL.
All managers are going to have ups and downs, some fans are now seeing matches, particularly away games, that they wouldn’t have gone to and seen the dross that Seb and others had to endure.
We need to somehow up our game at the valley, where we are dropping far too many points, if that’s possible without fans.
Im fed up of our players being called out in public, excuses about refs, or pitches, just do your job and get on with it.5 -
Dont mind a bad run if you learn from it, something that seems to be lost on those that think people are moaning for the sake of it.Scoham said:
Indeed, one bad run does not a new manager require.shine166 said:1 swallow does not a summer make
Let's see how the next game goes before we all start thinking things have changed and Mr tinker is no more. I want Bowyer to succeed as much as the next person, just think some of his decisions are very questionable.1 -
Everyone would be over the moon if we have success under bowyers stewardship. However all the loyalty clap trap is completely over sentimental. Do you think for one minute if bowyer thought he’d had enough over the last couple of years he wouldn’t have walked. He is doing something he loves, well paid and pretty much does what he wants.he is wealthy enough to say no thanks and go back fishing. I’m sure we’d see where the loyalty is if,Leeds, Newcastle or Birmingham came calling for his services. Was bows a regular down the valley before he came in with Robinson??. If he has the success he will be welcome and get the plaudits he deserves with a little more enthusiasm because he started with Charlton, nothing more.ElfsborgAddick said:
Hopefully Bowyers loyalty to us will be rewarded with time and ultimate promotion back to the Championship.shine166 said:1 swallow does not a summer make3 -
Everybody has their price of course.paulfox said:
Everyone would be over the moon if we have success under bowyers stewardship. However all the loyalty clap trap is completely over sentimental. Do you think for one minute if bowyer thought he’d had enough over the last couple of years he wouldn’t have walked. He is doing something he loves, well paid and pretty much does what he wants.he is wealthy enough to say no thanks and go back fishing. I’m sure we’d see where the loyalty is if,Leeds, Newcastle or Birmingham came calling for his services. Was bows a regular down the valley before he came in with Robinson??. If he has the success he will be welcome and get the plaudits he deserves with a little more enthusiasm because he started with Charlton, nothing more.ElfsborgAddick said:
Hopefully Bowyers loyalty to us will be rewarded with time and ultimate promotion back to the Championship.shine166 said:1 swallow does not a summer make
I think you summed it up nicely in that he is wealthy enough to walk away. But him being here tells me he wants to see it through. As he said in the dressing room at Wembley, we're on a journey.0 -
Agree on the questionable decisions, at one point I said myself that maybe we do need a change. However I do feel he's learnt from it. Yesterday wasn't the first time we played 4-4-2, he did that a few games a go and we've seen improvements from it. The new signings are settling in with Stockley and Millar in particular both making an impact.shine166 said:
Dont mind a bad run if you learn from it, something that seems to be lost on those that think people are moaning for the sake of it.Scoham said:
Indeed, one bad run does not a new manager require.shine166 said:1 swallow does not a summer make
Let's see how the next game goes before we all start thinking things have changed and Mr tinker is no more. I want Bowyer to succeed as much as the next person, just think some of his decisions are very questionable.
Now that we have DJ he should have the players to stick with 4-4-2 with at least one winger in the side to offer pace and width. There's also nothing to suggest he's lost the dressing room, while he made 4 changes yesterday and it worked.
Yes it's too early to say things have completely changed though there's no doubt the squad is stronger, we're more threatening going forward and that takes pressure off the defence. There will be bumps along the way but I'll be surprised if we're as poor in the next few months as we have been in the last few.
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Won’t be much of a journey if he keeps cocking it up!!. Results wii determine how far the journey is.ElfsborgAddick said:
Everybody has their price of course.paulfox said:
Everyone would be over the moon if we have success under bowyers stewardship. However all the loyalty clap trap is completely over sentimental. Do you think for one minute if bowyer thought he’d had enough over the last couple of years he wouldn’t have walked. He is doing something he loves, well paid and pretty much does what he wants.he is wealthy enough to say no thanks and go back fishing. I’m sure we’d see where the loyalty is if,Leeds, Newcastle or Birmingham came calling for his services. Was bows a regular down the valley before he came in with Robinson??. If he has the success he will be welcome and get the plaudits he deserves with a little more enthusiasm because he started with Charlton, nothing more.ElfsborgAddick said:
Hopefully Bowyers loyalty to us will be rewarded with time and ultimate promotion back to the Championship.shine166 said:1 swallow does not a summer make
I think you summed it up nicely in that he is wealthy enough to walk away. But him being here tells me he wants to see it through. As he said in the dressing room at Wembley, we're on a journey.0 -
Agreed.paulfox said:
Won’t be much of a journey if he keeps cocking it up!!. Results wii determine how far the journey is.ElfsborgAddick said:
Everybody has their price of course.paulfox said:
Everyone would be over the moon if we have success under bowyers stewardship. However all the loyalty clap trap is completely over sentimental. Do you think for one minute if bowyer thought he’d had enough over the last couple of years he wouldn’t have walked. He is doing something he loves, well paid and pretty much does what he wants.he is wealthy enough to say no thanks and go back fishing. I’m sure we’d see where the loyalty is if,Leeds, Newcastle or Birmingham came calling for his services. Was bows a regular down the valley before he came in with Robinson??. If he has the success he will be welcome and get the plaudits he deserves with a little more enthusiasm because he started with Charlton, nothing more.ElfsborgAddick said:
Hopefully Bowyers loyalty to us will be rewarded with time and ultimate promotion back to the Championship.shine166 said:1 swallow does not a summer make
I think you summed it up nicely in that he is wealthy enough to walk away. But him being here tells me he wants to see it through. As he said in the dressing room at Wembley, we're on a journey.
Hopefully Sandgaard will stick with his confidence in Bowyer and give him time. Sandgaard said he wanted promotion by May '22.0 -
I can’t see thisPeanutsMolloy said:ElfsborgAddick said:
Hopefully Bowyers loyalty to us will be rewarded with time and ultimate promotion back to the Championship.shine166 said:1 swallow does not a summer make
It was looking early doors like he would have had us in contention for the PL last season if the ES1 tossers hadn't intervened.
We'll get back to the top flight in the next 6 years and IMO most likely with Bow as manager.
COYR
all the good will in the well is not gonna get us there
gonna need a miracle
I think we’re 12 to 1 to get there in 6 seasons and 18 to 1 with bowyer in charge
by then end of 2026/7 season I’d take that
but can’t see it
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I think yesterday proved Bowyer had lost it because he should have changed to those sort of tactics much sooner. The hope has to be that he has found it again and there is something to build on. We need to see what team he picks against Gills.1
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Flat 442 is clearly our best formation, hope we stick with it.3
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He's not gonna stick with 442 because he's been asked multiple times, most recently as a few days ago, and he's always said he'll play different formations. So better steel yourselves to the inevitable. I'm sure it will be a regular feature, though.
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Probably a really bad example but... If Gillingham were to have won every game against a team playing 4-4-2 yet have lost every time the opposition has played 3-5-2 - What formation should Bowyer go with?3
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Before our injuries? Before the bad run?Cafc43v3r said:
If we had lost today there should be a lot of people questioning Bowyer's position, that's so predictable Stevie Wonder could see it.ElfsborgAddick said:If we had lost today there would have been a mountain of posts questioning Bowyer's position.All very predictable.
We didn't loose, but maybe you would prefer it if we did, so you could get some "oh here they are again points"?
I'll tell why we won, we had square pegs in square holes, looked sharp, looked like the players knew what they were doing, didn't fanny about with it for the sake of it, played our best available team and didn't make 5 defensive substitutions.
If you can tell me we have done all, or the majority of, them previously and consistently, please tell me when?0 -
Knowing Bowyer 4-2-4ForeverAddickted said:Probably a really bad example but... If Gillingham were to have won every game against a team playing 4-4-2 yet have lost every time the opposition has played 3-5-2 - What formation should Bowyer go with?3 -
This thread is hilarious. It should be closed for 3/4 games.
I find it hilarious that some people refuse to be proven wrong.Bowyer has lost it if he loses, but he has found if if he wins.
That’s such and easy side to take.
There is so much that goes in behind the scenes and into his decision making (wrong or right) we was 90 minutes of football and think we see everything.He has to pick a team based on training and match performances.If you’ve ever played a sport you know you don’t just get picked on March performance (unless you’re quite incredible) and I don’t think any of our players fall into that bracket bar maybe Amos.
I’m not digging out Aneke here either, I want him to start and play a full 90 all the time. That’s just not a reality, we have seen is a couple of games he has struggled so he is then rested1 -
ForeverAddickted said:Probably a really bad example but... If Gillingham were to have won every game against a team playing 4-4-2 yet have lost every time the opposition has played 3-5-2 - What formation should Bowyer go with?
The one that his players know, understand and play to their strengths in?
I don't see a Chelsea changing formation when playing against a Burnley because they beat a side who played the same formation.
If it isn't working, change it up during the match and adapt, you spend the week working on the game plan and tactics, the much talked about "plan B"
Plan A
"Right boys, more of the same, we're better let's play out game.
If it goes tits up and looks bad then...Plan B"
The problem recently had been that Bowyers plan A was plan B - negate the oppo at the expense of our own play.0 -
If you want Bowyer out and he changes it then the rule “never change a winning team” applies.ForeverAddickted said:Probably a really bad example but... If Gillingham were to have won every game against a team playing 4-4-2 yet have lost every time the opposition has played 3-5-2 - What formation should Bowyer go with?
However if he keeps it the same then you can call him “tactically inept” for not adapting to the opposition.
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He certainly had, I'm really hoping he'll get 'IT' back VERY soon0
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Too much has been made of the formation IMO when the obvious difference has been skirted over. To big strikers defenders can't handle or suffocate and getting the ball forwards to them and supporting them more quickly.
Also with the players that we started, yesterday was the first time in a long time that we were able to genuinely bully a team.0 -
4-2-3-1 and go for the draw?ForeverAddickted said:Probably a really bad example but... If Gillingham were to have won every game against a team playing 4-4-2 yet have lost every time the opposition has played 3-5-2 - What formation should Bowyer go with?1 -
Charlton fans are apparently collectively the smartest bunch of fans in the UK.
Its nothing to brag about and it's just some data put together due to our apparent backgrounds.
We have a lot of doctors etc down the valley. Just a complimentary positive coincidence I guess.
I think it's partly why we can be a bit sensitive when we think a fellow supporter is being a bit stupid.
Just agree to disagree.
I don't want bowyer out. Someone else probably does.
West ham fans probably wanted to hit David Moyes round the head with a hammer last year.
I doubt they feel that way now.2 -
Personally we need to have one or two formations not 6 or 7 we try to move between.2
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J Block reckoned that Bowyer had "lost the dressing room", or something like that.
I'd like J Block to give a bit of clarity on his updated opinion.
Roughly how many players had Bowyer "lost"?
Have these "lost" players now left the club?
How many of these "lost" players remain?
How many of these "lost" players played yesterday?5 -
I'll repeat AGAIN that I've been vocal that I don't believe Bowyer is the man to take us forward long term, but I hope he proves the doubters wrong & yesterday was a good performance that EVERYONE should be pleased with.
I Can't believe this bitching & point scoring is still going on today. Starting to find this thread really sad & can't believe it appears to be more toxic after a victory. Just enjoy the win & performance guys10 -
You have to look at the reasons behind what J Block reported rather than try to undermine him. These were twofold. Over complex formations without sufficient time in training to perfect them and the unprofessional treatment of players. Are these two major issues that far fetched? If Bowyer has addressed them, then of course there will be improvements. If players he has wronged have left, that will help too but I give up if you think these have been good things.
We are still playing catch up but have to hope the penny has dropped.1 -
Gravesend_Addick said:I'll repeat AGAIN that I've been vocal that I don't believe Bowyer is the man to take us forward long term, but I hope he proves the doubters wrong & yesterday was a good performance that EVERYONE should be pleased with.
I Can't believe this bitching & point scoring is still going on today. Starting to find this thread really sad & can't believe it appears to be more toxic after a victory. Just enjoy the win & performance guys
I think bowyers character probably naturally warms to doubters and he will go an extra mile to attempt to prove people wrong.0 -
I'm not trying to undermine J Block, I'm undecided, which is why I was looking for some clarity, from one of the fans who said they were "in the know".MuttleyCAFC said:You have to look at the reasons behind what J Block reported rather than try to undermine him. These were twofold. Over complex formations without sufficient time in training to perfect them and the unprofessional treatment of players. Are these two major issues that far fetched? If Bowyer has addressed them, then of course there will be improvements. If players he has wronged have left, that will help too but I give up if you think these have been good things.
We are still playing catch up but have to hope the penny has dropped.
Are the players still against or have they departed/no longer against Bowyer?5
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