Honestly the Cowleys? I would honestly rather stick with Bow! Such an overrated pair! Huddersfield were toilet under them last year!
Who got relegated, bowyer or the cowleys?
were they toilet when they scored 5 against us?
They got 1 point in their first 9 games in charge! No other team has ever survived with such a shit show record!!!
Think you've got that one a bit wrong pal.
That's the second different poster that has blamed the Cowleys for something they weren't there for at Huddersfield in two days. Hardly supprising they get a lot of Charlton "facts" twisted as well.
Honestly the Cowleys? I would honestly rather stick with Bow! Such an overrated pair! Huddersfield were toilet under them last year!
Who got relegated, bowyer or the cowleys?
were they toilet when they scored 5 against us?
They got 1 point in their first 9 games in charge! No other team has ever survived with such a shit show record!!!
Think you've got that one a bit wrong pal.
That's the second different poster that has blamed the Cowleys for something they weren't there for at Huddersfield in two days. Hardly supprising they get a lot of Charlton "facts" twisted as well.
and the poster actually strengthens the argument for the Cowley's. Highlighting just how good a job they did keeping Huddersfield up after they lost 8 of our their first 9 games!
Actually yeah the Cowleys did well to keep Huddersfield up and were arguably sacked unfairly when you consider Huddersfields natural level, fortunate to be a championship side imo.
Doesn't change what I said before though, they do play boring football apparently and obviously long term I'm not sure that's what I want or a lot of fans want. Although saying that Mick McCarthy allegedly plays boring football but I remember them whopping us at the valley I think 3nil with him in charge and he ain't doing too bad at Cardiff now while Ipswich look set for another season in this league at least..
On paper the Cowleys have a league 2 winners medal under their belt, FA cup quarter finals, checkatrade trophy win. Right now anything seems more positive.
Honestly the Cowleys? I would honestly rather stick with Bow! Such an overrated pair! Huddersfield were toilet under them last year!
Who got relegated, bowyer or the cowleys?
were they toilet when they scored 5 against us?
They got 1 point in their first 9 games in charge! No other team has ever survived with such a shit show record!!!
The Cowley's did a fantastic job at Lincoln and went to Huddersfield when they had big earners who were the total opposite to what they were used to. Let's concentrate on Cafc and our problems.
I don't think Charlton and the Cowley's would be a good fit despite believing they have a decent CV.
Nathan Jones was good at Luton but again at Stoke too many big earners on the way down just like Huddersfield when they dropped.
Actually yeah the Cowleys did well to keep Huddersfield up and were arguably sacked unfairly when you consider Huddersfields natural level, fortunate to be a championship side imo.
Doesn't change what I said before though, they do play boring football apparently and obviously long term I'm not sure that's what I want or a lot of fans want. Although saying that Mick McCarthy allegedly plays boring football but I remember them whopping us at the valley I think 3nil with him in charge and he ain't doing too bad at Cardiff now while Ipswich look set for another season in this league at least..
On paper the Cowleys have a league 2 winners medal under their belt, FA cup quarter finals, checkatrade trophy win. Right now anything seems more positive.
Football is rarely boring when your team is winning - no matter what the brand of football is. Only neutrals might not find it enjoyable, but that's not something for us to worry about.
We were hardly scintillating during our 6 game winning run at the beginning of the season, but the joy that comes with a win always lifts the mood.
The Cowleys are a well respected duo at this level and would have to be in the conversation. What they achieved at Lincoln was nothing short of remarkable.
Including his caretaker spell, Bowyer has been in charge for nearly 3 years, so has been in charge longer than all of his predecessors other than Powell in the post Curbs era
Robinson did less than a year and a half, Powell 3 1/4 years, Parky 2 1/4 years, Pardew just under 2 years,
Actually yeah the Cowleys did well to keep Huddersfield up and were arguably sacked unfairly when you consider Huddersfields natural level, fortunate to be a championship side imo.
Doesn't change what I said before though, they do play boring football apparently and obviously long term I'm not sure that's what I want or a lot of fans want. Although saying that Mick McCarthy allegedly plays boring football but I remember them whopping us at the valley I think 3nil with him in charge and he ain't doing too bad at Cardiff now while Ipswich look set for another season in this league at least..
On paper the Cowleys have a league 2 winners medal under their belt, FA cup quarter finals, checkatrade trophy win. Right now anything seems more positive.
Football is rarely boring when your team is winning - no matter what the brand of football is. Only neutrals might not find it enjoyable, but that's not something for us to worry about.
We were hardly scintillating during our 6 game winning run at the beginning of the season, but the joy that comes with a win always lifts the mood.
The Cowleys are a well respected duo at this level and would have to be in the conversation. What they achieved at Lincoln was nothing short of remarkable.
Had a look at their title winning season, low scoring games and they never lost by more than one goal until their final game of the season. They only lost 7 times, 3 of those coming in their last 5 games. Sounds like they would certainly make us more organised if they're a genuine option.
If he isn’t sacked after that I really don’t know what Thomas is in this for, maybe just naivety but surely Ged is in his ear. He simply has to go.
I'm sure they've been talking. Thomas was the same as us. This is the last thing he expected looking at what bowyer did to get us promoted last time and then our 1st few games back in the Championship. And also our run earlier this season of 6 wins on the bounce. Like us, I'm sure he didn't see this coming but he will have been seeing it the last few weeks and he will have been talking to Roddy about it. Sangaard won't do anything until he has a plan in place but I'd be very surprised if he lets this go on for too much longer.
Karl Gobby Robinson had his 4-2-3-1 and just a plan A.
Lee Bowyer played a very flexible 3-4-3 tonight ! Both Oshilaja and Purrington turned up as left wingers and Purrs was a fox in the box for great periods of the match. We got worse when Ben P went off.
Lee has Plans A-Z of football formations. The players seem confused.
This should be the easiest squad in the league to manage. Players that have played that many games don't need telling to close people down and stop the crosses/shots at source. They wouldn't have played 100 games if they did.
He either needs to go now (although it's 3 months late IMO) or Thomas needs to come out and say "Lee is here for the long term, he has my 100% support. He will get everything he needs in the summer".
Giving him until the end of the season achieves nothing. It actually encourages all the last minute rebuilding that has been used as Bowyer's defence.
Couldn’t it also be framed that the players with all those games think a game is won against lowly opposition before the ball has been kicked.
Obviously I understand the frustration with bowyer, but I don’t personally believe we’ve seen the best from the experienced players this season, and that’s also on them, not just fully on bowyer.
One or two of them is "on them", 7, 8, 9 and more isn't.
Cast your mind back 18 months and Pearce, Pratley, Purrington and others were throwing themselves in front of everything. Remember Brentford and Leeds at home?
Of the players that played today 4 or 5 played against Leeds. That game every man jack left everything on the pitch. Today they left most of it in the dressing room.
Stockley and Millar probably put the most effort in today and that tells you a lot.
I said exactly this during the game. Brentford, Leeds & I thought Forest at home our players did absolutely everything to win, diving in front of & blocking everything. This season we don't even close anyone down. I wasn't at all confident of winning tonight and said if we lost he has to go. I think he'll go "by mutual consent" some time this week. I wish Lee well and thank him for the good times, but there really is no other sensible option.
I'm not normally optimistic at 1am in the morning after losing to the bottom team in the 3rd tier but we really can start from scratch under our enthusiastic owner.
Thomas Sandgaard can appoint a caretaker to the end of the season, say Jason Euell who I believe would improve the team (could he do worse !) A part time Curbs helping the infrastructure and chatting to TS about the way forward football wise would be a useful way to stop this club going backwards.
Stop calling the 3rd tier shit (even if it is) it's where we are and we need to vastly improve to make sure we are top 2 next season. Thanks Lee for your efforts.
As others have said, it's improbable that he can bring someone like Howe in as part of the five-year Premier League plan (apologies to ForeverAddickted for my naivety), so Sandgaard will need to do it in two bites.
He needs an experienced manager who will guarantee to get us out of League 1 by the end of next season ... and who can help to build a potential Championship-winning squad ... but who is probably not interested in staying on for the long haul.
It's at that point that people like Howe, Scott Parker etc (pick your own names) might become interested in the 'Charlton Project' and the experienced manager can hand over the nucleus of Sandgaard's 'EuroCharlton'.
If he's still in charge tomorrow morning how many more games do we think he has? He must surely be in the thin-ice threshold with TS after that result?
When I come back to a thread titled "Has Bowyer Lost it?" for the first time in a week and there are 1000 new posts.... you just know there is only one way it is going to go.
I can’t see us beating anyone now under Bowyer. I managed, reluctantly, to cash out my substantial bet on us finishing in the top half with a tiny profit. 3 points above 13th place now. Under Bows, we will be bottom half by the end of March.
I think that even Lee will be relieved when TS puts his reign to an end. We all wanted this to work out but, despite a brief run and some promising signs way back, it’s no longer sustainable. As others have said, this is a results business and we no longer expect to win against anyone in this league. The current batch of games were against very average teams who ‘Old Charlton’ expected to - and predictably used to - defeat. 0 points from Burton, 21 points from 23 games and a nightmare run in has sealed our fate this season.
The biggest concerns I have are around tactics, set up and team selection. Unfortunately, that falls to Lee, Lee and Lee. Why play an excellent target man with no one around him to receive his knockdowns? Isn’t that Ronnie’s strength? He sits on the bench whilst DJ is tasked with playing that role - out of position - and looks a shadow of the star player he was at Swindon, running around like a lost lamb. Five at the back at home against hapless, bottom of league 1 Burton? Why, why why? Best defender (Famewo) on the bench in a must win match? Constant format changes - none of which seem to work, do they?
Thomas: please let’s call time here and go another way. Sad but unavoidable.
Bowyers comments about 12 in 12 out next season seemed to me like he isn't up for a big rebuild? If that's the case then he should walk as we clearly aren't going up this year and the squad needs rebuilding.
If he sits down with TS and SG with a clear outline of who he wants in and what our plans are then it's down to TS to decide if he trusts that process. TS said he has a long term plan, did that involve a blip this season who knows. He's a business man. Most are cut throat but some believe that stability and over coming hurdles are the key to success. I'm inclined to think TS is the latter.
Not sure there is much left to say on the situation other than it's sad how it's turned out. After the Wembley win and Bowyer sticking by us when he could've so easily walked in the past 18 months, i'm sorry things are going to end like this.
I don't quite know what has gone wrong over the past couple of months but aside from the odd performance we've been dire since the end of November. 22 points in 20 games and 7 home games without a win is relegation form. That's not a bad patch or a blip, that is almost HALF A SEASON.
It's been obvious for weeks that Bowyer has no clue on his best team, his best formation and i'd question even on what tactics to adopt. In most games it almost looks like we cobbled a team together an hour before kick off. 3-4 changes to the starting lineup every game, (quite often) 2 subs at half time with more early in the second half suggests he has no confidence in anything with no idea on how to turn this round and it's been like this for weeks.
Obviously he's a Charlton man, so i'm not going to be one of those calling him this and that, telling him to fuck off etc. I'll always have an affection for what he's done for us but he either needs to resign today or Sandgaard needs to put him out of his misery. This is potentially the worst Charlton side in terms of performances in my entire lifetime and it simply cannot go on.
Get a new man in, give him time to work out this squad and what's needed for next season, start to pick a settled side, formation and pattern of play and get planning for a promotion assault next season.
Actually, you should watch the Bowyer post-match interview. I found it very, very telling. Lee knows that the excuses ‘well’ has run dry. I think he knows that Thomas will be calling him this morning and that the conversation will be a difficult one.
it’s interesting to hear Lee say that he doesn’t expect us to win against Blackpool, at home, 4 points below us, on Saturday. Blimey, couldn’t quite believe I heard a Charlton manager say that out loud.
Thank you Charlton for another restless night - just glad i didn't watch it. Lot of Man Love for LB, he has had a rotten 18 months with injuries to contend with but now is the time to go ...
I love Charlton, and it’s one of the few things (potentially) keeping me sane during this damn pandemic. But I will no longer buy Valley Pass whilst Bowyer is in situ. The enjoyment has gone, the losses are too predictable and it’s ruining my Tuesdays and Saturdays. I know we should support through thick and thin, so it pains me to do something that’s against the grain for me, and that’s giving up on my club.
Didn't post last night as wanted to sleep on it. But I do think Bowyer has to go.
If there was any team spirit, fight, positivity then I would be inclined to give Bowyer time. He's earned it after all.
However the team looked dejected. Poor tactics, no settled side, poor substitutions, poor player management (Imo) and the last 20 games isn't just a bad run its systemic. Time for a change. I don't know who but a change is needed. I still believe we have a squad good enough for the top 6 and it's easily achievable.
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Doesn't change what I said before though, they do play boring football apparently and obviously long term I'm not sure that's what I want or a lot of fans want. Although saying that Mick McCarthy allegedly plays boring football but I remember them whopping us at the valley I think 3nil with him in charge and he ain't doing too bad at Cardiff now while Ipswich look set for another season in this league at least..
On paper the Cowleys have a league 2 winners medal under their belt, FA cup quarter finals, checkatrade trophy win. Right now anything seems more positive.
The Cowley's did a fantastic job at Lincoln and went to Huddersfield when they had big earners who were the total opposite to what they were used to.
Let's concentrate on Cafc and our problems.
I don't think Charlton and the Cowley's would be a good fit despite believing they have a decent CV.
Nathan Jones was good at Luton but again at Stoke too many big earners on the way down just like Huddersfield when they dropped.
We were hardly scintillating during our 6 game winning run at the beginning of the season, but the joy that comes with a win always lifts the mood.
The Cowleys are a well respected duo at this level and would have to be in the conversation. What they achieved at Lincoln was nothing short of remarkable.
Robinson did less than a year and a half, Powell 3 1/4 years, Parky 2 1/4 years, Pardew just under 2 years,
Lee Bowyer played a very flexible 3-4-3 tonight !
Both Oshilaja and Purrington turned up as left wingers and Purrs was a fox in the box for great periods of the match. We got worse when Ben P went off.
Lee has Plans A-Z of football formations.
The players seem confused.
Brentford, Leeds & I thought Forest at home our players did absolutely everything to win, diving in front of & blocking everything.
This season we don't even close anyone down.
I wasn't at all confident of winning tonight and said if we lost he has to go.
I think he'll go "by mutual consent" some time this week.
I wish Lee well and thank him for the good times, but there really is no other sensible option.
I'm not normally optimistic at 1am in the morning after losing to the bottom team in the 3rd tier but we really can start from scratch under our enthusiastic owner.
Thomas Sandgaard can appoint a caretaker to the end of the season, say Jason Euell who I believe would improve the team (could he do worse !) A part time Curbs helping the infrastructure and chatting to TS about the way forward football wise would be a useful way to stop this club going backwards.
Stop calling the 3rd tier shit (even if it is) it's where we are and we need to vastly improve to make sure we are top 2 next season. Thanks Lee for your efforts.
Just saying.
The biggest concerns I have are around tactics, set up and team selection. Unfortunately, that falls to Lee, Lee and Lee. Why play an excellent target man with no one around him to receive his knockdowns? Isn’t that Ronnie’s strength? He sits on the bench whilst DJ is tasked with playing that role - out of position - and looks a shadow of the star player he was at Swindon, running around like a lost lamb. Five at the back at home against hapless, bottom of league 1 Burton? Why, why why? Best defender (Famewo) on the bench in a must win match? Constant format changes - none of which seem to work, do they?
Thomas: please let’s call time here and go another way. Sad but unavoidable.
Bowyers comments about 12 in 12 out next season seemed to me like he isn't up for a big rebuild? If that's the case then he should walk as we clearly aren't going up this year and the squad needs rebuilding.
If he sits down with TS and SG with a clear outline of who he wants in and what our plans are then it's down to TS to decide if he trusts that process. TS said he has a long term plan, did that involve a blip this season who knows. He's a business man. Most are cut throat but some believe that stability and over coming hurdles are the key to success. I'm inclined to think TS is the latter.
I don't quite know what has gone wrong over the past couple of months but aside from the odd performance we've been dire since the end of November. 22 points in 20 games and 7 home games without a win is relegation form. That's not a bad patch or a blip, that is almost HALF A SEASON.
It's been obvious for weeks that Bowyer has no clue on his best team, his best formation and i'd question even on what tactics to adopt. In most games it almost looks like we cobbled a team together an hour before kick off. 3-4 changes to the starting lineup every game, (quite often) 2 subs at half time with more early in the second half suggests he has no confidence in anything with no idea on how to turn this round and it's been like this for weeks.
Obviously he's a Charlton man, so i'm not going to be one of those calling him this and that, telling him to fuck off etc. I'll always have an affection for what he's done for us but he either needs to resign today or Sandgaard needs to put him out of his misery. This is potentially the worst Charlton side in terms of performances in my entire lifetime and it simply cannot go on.
Get a new man in, give him time to work out this squad and what's needed for next season, start to pick a settled side, formation and pattern of play and get planning for a promotion assault next season.
it’s interesting to hear Lee say that he doesn’t expect us to win against Blackpool, at home, 4 points below us, on Saturday. Blimey, couldn’t quite believe I heard a Charlton manager say that out loud.
Lot of Man Love for LB, he has had a rotten 18 months with injuries to contend with but now is the time to go ...
"does Lee bowyer care about Charlton or his family?"
If there was any team spirit, fight, positivity then I would be inclined to give Bowyer time. He's earned it after all.
However the team looked dejected. Poor tactics, no settled side, poor substitutions, poor player management (Imo) and the last 20 games isn't just a bad run its systemic. Time for a change. I don't know who but a change is needed.
I still believe we have a squad good enough for the top 6 and it's easily achievable.