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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Blackpool | Sat 27 Feb 2021
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I know the sending off makes this a bit of a moot point, but how the hell were we gonna claw back a 2 goal deficit with a starting midfield of Pratley, Watson, Smith and Shinnie?? I think the sending off masked such mental substitutes15
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Yep n il be saying & typing the same things tomorrow & the next day & prob til the next game & then well... it’s just deja vu till something gives...stoneroses19 said:
This is the problem with this (and part of last) season. Those on here swearing and calling bowyer certain names are usually down the pub at this point saying those things to a mate. Then an hour or two, or even Sunday morning they’re on CL to talk about the game.Callumcafc said:Think the red mist has descended for many on here and things are being heard that aren't said.Now people are on post match thread 30 seconds after the game letting 100% of there anger and frustration out by typing.0 -
I’ve just watched the interview and I’m not sure either of you are 100% on the money. I think Washington was given a start and was expected to perform well enough in the game that he was a no brainier for Lee to pick for the next game.lordromford said:
Ali, I don’t really want to argue with you. I think we’ve just interpreted what he said differently.aliwibble said:
No, you said "Now digging out Washington for not complaining about being out the side." That suggests he was complaining about Washington's attitude in training, not what he was doing on the pitch.lordromford said:
Well maybe. But you said he didn’t say that. So it is what he said then?aliwibble said:
In the context of the sentence, that was almost certainly a metaphor.lordromford said:
No, he said he should be screaming at him to put him in.aliwibble said:
That wasn't what he said. He was saying that Washington's performance wasn't forcing him to put him back in the side.lordromford said:Fucking hell.
Listening to Bowyer is embarrassing.
Now digging out Washington for not complaining about being out the side.
And even if it was metaphorical, he’s still digging out an individual.
I took his comment to mean “He should be banging on my door complaining about being out of the side”
You took it to mean “He should be doing more to show his quality in training”
Either way, he clearly isn’t communicating properly because we can’t agree on what he said or meant!Unusually for a player with little game time he was a bit rusty which was clearly his fault and so that it his 45 minute cameo ends there.0 -
If he doesn’t think players are pulling their weight, why hasn’t he played more of our youngsters who would do everything for the shirt?
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Was just thinking that it feels a bit like the end of the Fraeye era. Bowyer definitely not the sort of person to hide in a laundry basket, but seems like he’s long out of ideasBraziliance said:Them quotes are something else. Quite literally inexcusable. I don't think other than Fraeye a manager has deserved to be sacked more than this? Bad performances ok but the level of delusion and bitterness in those comments. I'm off the fence completely, he has to go, whether it's now or next season.
Let himself down big time and comes across as a desperate man, fast losing the respect I have for him.
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Really Dave ? I first went in 76, and the early 80’s had some really poor seasons / sides - for me the Dowie season (well he started it as manager) was the worst I saw - a really shocking squad that was - appreciate that was in the Prem, and this is (in old money) Div 3 - but I personally have - in my opinion - seen worse Charlton teams, relative to their division, than thisDaveMehmet said:Got to be the lowest point since I started watching us in ‘78.
Sad thing is, I’m not angry any more. Sick of the whole fucking circus we’ve been since Curbs was shown the door. One car crash after another.
I know I’ve grown up (a bit) since I started going and other things become more important in your life but I really don’t give a shit any more. It used to ruin my weekend if we lost.
But I agree - this is shit
What I struggle with is that these players are better than their recent performances3 -
I put the blame entirely on me for this run of defeats and poor play. The reason is obvious. I’ve thrown away my lucky underpants. I know it sounds weird as an excuse but I’ve worn them at both play off finals. But I didn’t wear them at the Freight Trophy final against Blackburn Rovers. You know what I’m saying. You can throw as much abuse as you want at me but I can now stand firm with my M&S trunks which are totally supportive of my decision to cast away my old faithfuls. All I can say is that I’m deeply sorry and I hope there’s room in your heart to at least consider forgiveness.*where’s the custard?5
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Why the hell are the players separated from the west dressing rooms when 1) the teams have their own rooms anyway and 2) the players are all on the pitch at the same time playing together?ozaddick said:Wow. Just feckin wow. Before I get started on that pie eating fat fuck of a ref, That 1st half was aweful. We become a very shite football team, no tactics, except lump the ball upfield. That was it. Smash it up top and hope it sticks. Reminded me of Australian rules football, just kick and hope.
Millar was poor, but I'd give him the benifit as he's young and he's been brilliant for us. DJ was totally crap. Can't see why we paid good money for him. As for the rest, they are playing with zero confidence and also looked like they didn't give a toss.
I knew we were bang in trouble right before the kick off, we had 4 players around the centre circle still trying to work out what their roles were, you could see the confusion between them.
Pratley celebrated his 100th game with us by getting the clean bath water before anyone else. It was a red. No doubts, he knew what he was doing.
The second pen was so feckin soft I've had harder Mr whippy ice creams. But Watson made Mr blobby make a decision. And it was always going to be against us. Stupid.
Chuks' red looked dubious too, replays did show him leading with an elbow, again, that was only gonna go one way.
Insipid, Weak, Meek. That was Charlton today.
One other thing thats bothered me all season, Why are we using a club room in the west stand for changing rooms?
We are at home. We have a good change room. OUR players should be walking out of the tunnel, seeing the signage and history blazened along the walls. I know that may seem trivial to some here, but it's ALL about mentality. It's mental preparation. You walk down the tunnel to go to feckin war.
Finally, I don't think LB can come back from this.ValleyGary said:Give us the real reason then?6 -
The actual answer is location, he is on considerably less than Gunter, and what he was on last season, but still more than the wage cap average.ForeverAddickted said:
But at the same time if he was as good as we all felt after last season, why was he still out of contract when we did finally get him?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
And Matthews we had here last season and was training with us in pre-season before signing so it's not as if he was a deadline day act of desperation either.East Kent Addick said:
Also not true - Maddison and Mathews (maybe Bogle) were free agents but we paid fees for Gilbey and Washington and Innis was at Palace the other signings were all loansEast Kent Addick said:
WTAF! Blames everyone except himself you bloody signed those playersMattF said:
He had other offers, or at least spoke to their people, but no one offered him enough to make it worth his while physically moving.
I don't think our 2md choice right back is the major issue though tbh.4 -
Just another brick in the bizarre wall lol. Terrible 1st half. What has happened to the players they are getting worse every game. To make 4 halftime substitutions just shows that the manager has no idea what his best team or shape is if he feels the need to change that many after 45 mins.
To leave Pratley on after a booking is just stupid everyone could see a red card inbound. Ironic if his blind loyalty to Pratley costs LB his job in the end.
To publically say that the players just dont care enough is in effect highlighting the poor management, it's the managements job to motivate people to care and do their best in any walk of life.
Yes the team have been useless for ages but it's the managers job to improve performances and they are getting worse3 - Sponsored links:
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This is so wrong. I watched this interview & thought you just can't manage a team like that - not even a pub team.”Pick the best 11. But they can’t physically go Saturday Tuesday Saturday”
”Have to bring out a player if they’re conceding goals. Same if a striker isn’t doing things at other end”
You cant just drop a player, bring someone in for the next game & then drop him if he then makes a mistake.
You need a settled side.......and players need to know that they will (most likely) be playing the next week, otherwise they will play with fear of making a mistake - so will not want to try to do anything. Will just pass the ball onto someone else.
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Well, many here want to give him until the end of the season. We recruited a number of players and they have all got worse.
And now we have written this season off.
Many others want to also give him time to rebuild the squad in the summer.
So, after he has also turned those players into footballing retards, we can write next season off as well!
Looks like we'll be stuck in this horrible division for the foreseeable future, then.
Hooray for loyalty!2 -
I'm honestly surprised people aren't angrier about what Bowyer is saying. I get that people think he's to blame too, and that's fine, but he hasn't become a liar overnight and he's saying that there are a lot of players at this club who just don't care. That's a big problem. Maybe we can bring in a manager to make motivate them, but should we have to? Should we be satisfied with players who can decide that they don't fancy it anymore if they don't like the manager and down tools? We've had teams like that before under Pardew and when Powell came in, and changing the manager didn't fix it because there's a problem at a fundamental level. Contrast Riga's two spells; a Powell team full of desire that lacked a bit of quality, and then a team full of randoms who mostly didn't look like they cared even once. One stayed up and one didn't. I can deal with players not being very good, I can deal with having a manager who isn't up to it, I can deal with poor performances when players are out of their depth, but I really can't stand having players who just shrug their shoulders, don't train as hard as they could and aren't bothered. Football is all most of us have during this lockdown period, the least they can do is care.
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my concerns are not about this season anymore - i worry we won't be able to attract the players we need for next year if we don't make a change - would you advise any promising young players to join charlton under this current football management? that is a sad thing to say but its true - if u knew a highly promising cdm playing for an elite premier league team's u23's, on the fringes of the first team but who is frustrated at only getting on 1st team bench, would you try and help him get a move to charlton atm under the current management? lets say he had offers from swansea and liverpool but being a local lad, wants to go to charlton, what would you advise / do atm? i'd hate him to get mixed up in bowyers madness bur would love him to be part of the re build thats for sure5
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Fair enough Neil. Cheers.Alwaysneil said:
I’ve just watched the interview and I’m not sure either of you are 100% on the money. I think Washington was given a start and was expected to perform well enough in the game that he was a no brainier for Lee to pick for the next game.lordromford said:
Ali, I don’t really want to argue with you. I think we’ve just interpreted what he said differently.aliwibble said:
No, you said "Now digging out Washington for not complaining about being out the side." That suggests he was complaining about Washington's attitude in training, not what he was doing on the pitch.lordromford said:
Well maybe. But you said he didn’t say that. So it is what he said then?aliwibble said:
In the context of the sentence, that was almost certainly a metaphor.lordromford said:
No, he said he should be screaming at him to put him in.aliwibble said:
That wasn't what he said. He was saying that Washington's performance wasn't forcing him to put him back in the side.lordromford said:Fucking hell.
Listening to Bowyer is embarrassing.
Now digging out Washington for not complaining about being out the side.
And even if it was metaphorical, he’s still digging out an individual.
I took his comment to mean “He should be banging on my door complaining about being out of the side”
You took it to mean “He should be doing more to show his quality in training”
Either way, he clearly isn’t communicating properly because we can’t agree on what he said or meant!Unusually for a player with little game time he was a bit rusty which was clearly his fault and so that it his 45 minute cameo ends there.0 -
No!! That’s unfair solid, it’s my fault , I’ve looked far and wide for the best quality custard a person could wish to dip there cock in, I’ve also ditched the pants for a high visibility thong( health and safety at all times of course)to spice things up,, since doing this we’ve been terrible. I do apologise and intend to use powdered packets in future and probably put my pants back on.Solidgone said:I put the blame entirely on me for this run of defeats and poor play. The reason is obvious. I’ve thrown away my lucky underpants. I know it sounds weird as an excuse but I’ve worn them at both play off finals. But I didn’t wear them at the Freight Trophy final against Blackburn Rovers. You know what I’m saying. You can throw as much abuse as you want at me but I can now stand firm with my M&S trunks which are totally supportive of my decision to cast away my old faithfuls. All I can say is that I’m deeply sorry and I hope there’s room in your heart to at least consider forgiveness.*where’s the custard?2 -
To be fair, he would say that wouldn't he? How about the possibility, that some of us have been trying to say for ages, that he has lost them?Garrymanilow said:I'm honestly surprised people aren't angrier about what Bowyer is saying. I get that people think he's to blame too, and that's fine, but he hasn't become a liar overnight and he's saying that there are a lot of players at this club who just don't care. That's a big problem. Maybe we can bring in a manager to make motivate them, but should we have to? Should we be satisfied with players who can decide that they don't fancy it anymore if they don't like the manager and down tools? We've had teams like that before under Pardew and when Powell came in, and changing the manager didn't fix it because there's a problem at a fundamental level. Contrast Riga's two spells; a Powell team full of desire that lacked a bit of quality, and then a team full of randoms who mostly didn't look like they cared even once. One stayed up and one didn't. I can deal with players not being very good, I can deal with having a manager who isn't up to it, I can deal with poor performances when players are out of their depth, but I really can't stand having players who just shrug their shoulders, don't train as hard as they could and aren't bothered. Football is all most of us have during this lockdown period, the least they can do is care.2 -
Makes the decision to freeze Morgan out even more baffling.RC_CAFC said:If he doesn’t think players are pulling their weight, why hasn’t he played more of our youngsters who would do everything for the shirt?
It's not as if any of our midfielders are putting in star performances. I'd 100% much rather have Morgan in the squad than Watson.
I also don't recall Barker letting us down, so why not give him another opportunity if he feels Pearce is past it and Oshilaja isn't up to it. If his post-match comment today about the player giving away goals was about Oshilaja then we all know what will happen Tuesday, he'll bring Pearce back in. Great.6 -
Pure Charlton theatre!
We can't even be shit normally...
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Bowyers comments were as close to blaming individuals without doing so. Two schools of thought on here, you either blame Bowyer or the players, somebody might be able to tell me what the length of the contracts were but most, I thought, were finished by this June. My feeling is that I have a choice in supporting a manager who see's his future at Charlton and cares about the club or support players quite clearly don't care and will be gone in the summer.9
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But then you're saying that he's lying. He's just straight up lying saying that they don't care and they're cutting corners and not trying to improve. I'm perfectly fine with saying that Bowyer isn't a good tactician, changes the line-up too much, criticises players too much publicly, whatever, but it's a bridge too far to say that he's just making stuff up. He may well have 'lost them', but if their response to not liking the manager is that they can't be arsed anymore and they'll serve up performances like this then they don't get a pass, they should be shown the door. You can get in any manager you want, I'm not interested in players who only give a shit about playing for Charlton when it suits then. People shouldn't be blind to that just because they don't like the manager. We can be angry about both thingsMuttleyCAFC said:
To be fair, he would say that wouldn't he? How about the possibility, that some of us have been trying to say for ages, that he has lost them?Garrymanilow said:I'm honestly surprised people aren't angrier about what Bowyer is saying. I get that people think he's to blame too, and that's fine, but he hasn't become a liar overnight and he's saying that there are a lot of players at this club who just don't care. That's a big problem. Maybe we can bring in a manager to make motivate them, but should we have to? Should we be satisfied with players who can decide that they don't fancy it anymore if they don't like the manager and down tools? We've had teams like that before under Pardew and when Powell came in, and changing the manager didn't fix it because there's a problem at a fundamental level. Contrast Riga's two spells; a Powell team full of desire that lacked a bit of quality, and then a team full of randoms who mostly didn't look like they cared even once. One stayed up and one didn't. I can deal with players not being very good, I can deal with having a manager who isn't up to it, I can deal with poor performances when players are out of their depth, but I really can't stand having players who just shrug their shoulders, don't train as hard as they could and aren't bothered. Football is all most of us have during this lockdown period, the least they can do is care.
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Very difficult to explain this game because there were so many mistakes from officials we don’t really know how the game would have panned out .. first half was there any real diff between the sides Blackpool had the confidence due to being in a good run .. we had a pen that there were two fouls leading up to it that was not given then the Stockley goal that was good ... Pratley first booking when the ball struck at him from close range ... mind you the ref seemed to have it in for Pratley every-time he got near the ball
Frustrating we had two wingers but we never used them .. I said before about Stockley being a problem with us playing long ball think was very evident today ... think the wrong changes were made at HT
Second half again Pratley , I think the Blackpool players reaction changed the refs mind not sure he was going to do anything .. then we had second pen that was a clear dive Watson did not touch him , then Aneke what can you say how is that a straight red , we have appealed but you know what the EFL think of us ...
When your struggling you need things to go your way and you get confidence from that
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Embattled Bowyer determined to fight on in Valley hot seat after Blackpool defeat ......until a pay-off is agreed.
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Shit manager, shit coaching, shit tactics and a squad of players who have been Bowyerised. Utter f***ing farce...
We can't actually get any worse now short of losing every game.2 -
PWR - thank god I’ve been at work today so didn’t shell out to watch today’s game. Managed to avoid the score whilst on the wing (even the cons have taken pity on me by not bothering to keep me updated) and had a quick look at CL before I set off on the drive home. Knew it was going to be bad when there was nearly 180 new posts on the Bowyer thread and 1.3k on the match thread which I’ve just finished reading through. FML, this is beyond comical now. Bowyer’s comments after the game are quite frankly pathetic with no self awareness. It appears the players have given up on him, there is no coming back from this. Time for Sandgaard to put an end to the misery.2
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With you 100% on this.ozaddick said:
One other thing thats bothered me all season, Why are we using a club room in the west stand for changing rooms?
We are at home. We have a good change room. OUR players should be walking out of the tunnel, seeing the signage and history blazened along the walls. I know that may seem trivial to some here, but it's ALL about mentality. It's mental preparation. You walk down the tunnel to go to feckin war.
It's not what clubs normally do.
I remember in my playing days we were away at Plymouth Argyle.
The Away dressing room was like a large prison cell.
One small window high up, whitewashed breeze block walls, floor grey painted concrete, wooden bench along the wall ..... half a dozen shower heads and an old white ceramic tiled bath that we washed our boots in after the game. Heating? You're having a laugh.
Just a strategy, of course, in the psychological warfare of football.
A quick look in the 'Home' dressing room afterwards - and they had just about every creature comfort.
Home teams always put their own interests first - part of having 'home' advantage.
Why are Charlton not doing that?
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He nailed himself to that cross in November. If you publicly slag off you players, sub them off before half time or sub a sub you have to be 100% right.Garrymanilow said:I'm honestly surprised people aren't angrier about what Bowyer is saying. I get that people think he's to blame too, and that's fine, but he hasn't become a liar overnight and he's saying that there are a lot of players at this club who just don't care. That's a big problem. Maybe we can bring in a manager to make motivate them, but should we have to? Should we be satisfied with players who can decide that they don't fancy it anymore if they don't like the manager and down tools? We've had teams like that before under Pardew and when Powell came in, and changing the manager didn't fix it because there's a problem at a fundamental level. Contrast Riga's two spells; a Powell team full of desire that lacked a bit of quality, and then a team full of randoms who mostly didn't look like they cared even once. One stayed up and one didn't. I can deal with players not being very good, I can deal with having a manager who isn't up to it, I can deal with poor performances when players are out of their depth, but I really can't stand having players who just shrug their shoulders, don't train as hard as they could and aren't bothered. Football is all most of us have during this lockdown period, the least they can do is care.
You have to start winnings games and prove it to the dressing room.
You can say what you like about Maddison's attitude (we should never have signed him in the first place) or Bogle's ability. You don't treat players like that and then expect their pals to run through walls for you.
I am quite supprised that anyone thinks he should get sacked but couldn't see it 3 months ago because nothing has really changed.19 -
Yep, that's how I heard it too.Alwaysneil said:
I’ve just watched the interview and I’m not sure either of you are 100% on the money. I think Washington was given a start and was expected to perform well enough in the game that he was a no brainier for Lee to pick for the next game.lordromford said:
Ali, I don’t really want to argue with you. I think we’ve just interpreted what he said differently.aliwibble said:
No, you said "Now digging out Washington for not complaining about being out the side." That suggests he was complaining about Washington's attitude in training, not what he was doing on the pitch.lordromford said:
Well maybe. But you said he didn’t say that. So it is what he said then?aliwibble said:
In the context of the sentence, that was almost certainly a metaphor.lordromford said:
No, he said he should be screaming at him to put him in.aliwibble said:
That wasn't what he said. He was saying that Washington's performance wasn't forcing him to put him back in the side.lordromford said:Fucking hell.
Listening to Bowyer is embarrassing.
Now digging out Washington for not complaining about being out the side.
And even if it was metaphorical, he’s still digging out an individual.
I took his comment to mean “He should be banging on my door complaining about being out of the side”
You took it to mean “He should be doing more to show his quality in training”
Either way, he clearly isn’t communicating properly because we can’t agree on what he said or meant!Unusually for a player with little game time he was a bit rusty which was clearly his fault and so that it his 45 minute cameo ends there.
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No. We aspire to be just shit.soapy_jones said:Pure Charlton theatre!
We can't even be shit normally...0
