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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Blackpool | Sat 27 Feb 2021
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Just drop the ones he thinks are not interested and play the under 23's who im sure will be hungry. Can't be any worse than the shit served up today!.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Then why the **** did we buy them?MattF said:17 -
What would be better if he went, do you think these wasters would improve in March when they will be finding new clubs in June ?1
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"Pick the best 11. But they can’t physically go Saturday Tuesday Saturday”
I've got news for you Lee. Since Mick McCarthy took charge at Cardiff, they have:
played 9 games in 31 days
won 6 Drawn 3
had 11 players appear in at least 8 of those 9 matches
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I have an eight-year-grandson who lives and breathes football. His sole ambition is to play for Charlton. I know the odds are stacked against him doing that. But even if he does not prove good enough in regards to talent, there will never, ever, be any doubting his desire to be the best he can.
How many of the players out there today showed the same desire?11 -
The Club is being embarrassed week after week. Bowyer was given time to get some players in and he has been given time to get them playing. Not only isn't it happening but it's getting worse. No midfield whatsoever today. The individuals were all over the place chasing shadows and committing fouls. No goal threat at home again is just totally unacceptable. Players not playing for the manager, so he has to go now.4
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Why have all these experienced players become wasters under Bowyer?Bailey said:What would be better if he went, do you think these wasters would improve in March when they will be finding new clubs in June ?10 -
Players are a disgrace. Kind of hoping we can get back in the ground before the end of the season so I can have the opportunity to tell them what I think of them. They are taking the piss knowing they can get away with in front of an empty stadium.So many of are a disgrace and unfit to wear the shirt.SurvivaloftheFittest said:Time for TS to put everyone out of their misery.
I do make LB right though. Can’t remember a side so blatantly full of disinterested players. They’re getting away with it at the moment - and they shouldn’t be.
Ben Watson is robbing this club of money. I’d rather TS bought a luxury apartment and 58 Range Rovers than pay him.I hope we are making sure most of them can’t reach their contract extension number allowing them to stay in the summer.5 -
Seen far worse players than this team (my namesake being one of them) but collectively they come across as a bunch of time wasters and can’t identify with any of them.Lordflashheart said:
Really Dave ? I first went in 76, and the early 80’s had some really poor seasons / sides - for me the Dowie season (well he started it as manager) was the worst I saw - a really shocking squad that was - appreciate that was in the Prem, and this is (in old money) Div 3 - but I personally have - in my opinion - seen worse Charlton teams, relative to their division, than thisDaveMehmet said:Got to be the lowest point since I started watching us in ‘78.
Sad thing is, I’m not angry any more. Sick of the whole fucking circus we’ve been since Curbs was shown the door. One car crash after another.
I know I’ve grown up (a bit) since I started going and other things become more important in your life but I really don’t give a shit any more. It used to ruin my weekend if we lost.
But I agree - this is shit
What I struggle with is that these players are better than their recent performances2 -
Bowyer saying the players don't care is just deflection on his part. If it's somehow got to the point where all of these players really don't care and aren't taking on board what he's telling them... Then that's because HE has done a bad job.
One or two bad eggs perhaps, the likes of Maddison who have motivation issues in general, that happens. But for all of them, including players like Millar and Maatsen who have somehow gotten worse/less motivated as time goes... That's on him.9 -
Sussed it. He was playing against our shit defence that's why he looked good 😉LargeAddick said:
DJ is a good example of Bowyer not knowing what he’s doing. In two games against us DJ was outstanding and caused us all number of problems. Under Bowyer he looks a non league player. Who is that down too eh?Fortune 82nd Minute said:Just 3 points from me as I'm too depressed to comment further.
1) Pratley should never play for this club again. What he did today was ridiculous.
I still can't believe how many people were praising him to high Heaven after the MK Dons game. To me, he's contributed nothing for months - when we attack he inevitably slows the play down or plays the ball back and we lose all momentum. And he is simply a red card waiting to happen at the moment.
And yet Bowyer has played him in every game this season apart from the Northampton and the ones where he was suspended.
2) I'd genuinely like to know what all those calling Schwartz a dud think of Jaiyesimi. He surely can't be as bad as he has looked in these last 2 home games? Can he?
If Bowyer has pushed Williams out for this young man, it looks a crazy decision at the moment
3) Albie Morgan must be sitting at home tonight laughing his head off. I can just see him texting his close friends at the club with a stream of laughing emojis.
Bowyer clearly doesn't like him and proves the point by bringing in a young Matt Smith who looks lost. Again abysmal management.
Surely TS is on the phone at the moment to a replacement manager ?4 -
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People keep saying the players are time wasters but it seems strange how many of them seem to fall into that category under LB's management. Obviously nothing to do with him is it?
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Leaving aside everything else I'm baffled that we can have 8 central midfielders (or something like that) and STILL be so weak in front of the back 4
It's so predictable, as soon as the Blackpool player picked up the ball in the middle of the pitch, you knew he would run towards our goal unchallenged and have a shot, with a good chance of it going in. You don't need to be Pep or have 20 analysts to spot this weakness, EVERY other team in the league will see that just by watching the goal highlights of our games on Quest
Dreadful coaching/management for this to constantly happen.
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People only see what they want to see.Dazzler21 said:
Shinnie who had 4 assists in 5 games before today?Charltonparklane said:The other week we had Morgan on the pitch who had two shots, one which hit the bar And Bows moaned he should have passed it, took him off at ht.
Yet he persists with Shinnie, Pratley, Watson who are just dreadful.
He has lost it, completely and utterly.
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They should want to play for the shirt, and for the man who pays their wages.ricky_otto said:
Of course not. Every player should care, that’s is the bare minimum we should expect from a player. But they clearly don’t want to play for the manager.Chunes said:
Does that mean they shouldn't carericky_otto said:
They are his players though - he signed most of them.Chunes said:2 -
Even if he's not very good, it's looking more likely every week. I wish him luck.BFG94 said:I have an eight-year-grandson who lives and breathes football. His sole ambition is to play for Charlton. I know the odds are stacked against him doing that. But even if he does not prove good enough in regards to talent, there will never, ever, be any doubting his desire to be the best he can.
How many of the players out there today showed the same desire?DOUCHER said:
what else can they say? they're trying their best to fill some time without saying the truth - that the manager has completely and utterly lost itRaplhMilne said:Curbs, Minto, are as deluded as Bowyer...... still taking about the run.... GET REAL IT ISNT GOING TO HAPPEN.......0 -
Disagree with the players' criticism. We invite ridiculous pressure by playing slowly out from the back. That's a tactic. We play wingers and don't have any system to get it to them. We let the opposition run free to a point. And there are very few other consistencies in our approach. I don't buy the bad recruitment argument, it's bad management. The liabilities today were Deji against pace and Pratley full stop, but instead of sorting that, which was obvious after 5 minutes, Bowyer hoiks off literally the 4 players who are furthest from the problem areas on the pitch.
I believe a new manager with a fresh approach gets more out of this team. And I want it to happen now, so we don't sit here blasting players who clearly have something to offer.
2 games without Pratley is a good start for any new manager too. Sorry, my no player blaming only goes so far...14 -
Yeah, bring back Mowgli!dajavouslagan said:
Bowyer rightly getting pelters but what about Gallen. He is signing all these wonderful players!CheshireAddick said:
So who is head of recruitment....oh wonder recruiter Gallon!!Charltonparklane said:Morgan, Lapslie, Williams, Maddison
Shinnie, Pratley, Watson, Smyth.
I'd chuck in Gilbey, Gunter, Schwartz
Yeah great recruitment.
Ain't got a clue.
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But there's a stark difference between asking players to run through walls and expecting the basics from professionals. At the start of last season we were getting the running though walls effect and the players were performing beyond themselves. Injuries and mad ownerships dented confidence and we went back down to our level. This isn't that though, this is players who don't seem to care at all, who aren't trying and aren't doing the basics resulting in them getting turned over at home against Blackpool. We're being told that our players don't care, and reading this thread it's remarkable the amount people will forgive the players anything if they don't like the manager. Your anger and frustrations can be directed to more than one place, and if hearing what we've heard that the only place we're willing to look is the manager then we're evidently perfectly happy to have players here who just don't really care about playing for us because the manager subbed them early once or was harsh in a press conference. That's no good.Cafc43v3r said:
He nailed himself to that cross in November. If you publicly slag off you players, sub them off before half time or sub a sub you have to be 100% right.Garrymanilow said:I'm honestly surprised people aren't angrier about what Bowyer is saying. I get that people think he's to blame too, and that's fine, but he hasn't become a liar overnight and he's saying that there are a lot of players at this club who just don't care. That's a big problem. Maybe we can bring in a manager to make motivate them, but should we have to? Should we be satisfied with players who can decide that they don't fancy it anymore if they don't like the manager and down tools? We've had teams like that before under Pardew and when Powell came in, and changing the manager didn't fix it because there's a problem at a fundamental level. Contrast Riga's two spells; a Powell team full of desire that lacked a bit of quality, and then a team full of randoms who mostly didn't look like they cared even once. One stayed up and one didn't. I can deal with players not being very good, I can deal with having a manager who isn't up to it, I can deal with poor performances when players are out of their depth, but I really can't stand having players who just shrug their shoulders, don't train as hard as they could and aren't bothered. Football is all most of us have during this lockdown period, the least they can do is care.
You have to start winnings games and prove it to the dressing room.
You can say what you like about Maddison's attitude (we should never have signed him in the first place) or Bogle's ability. You don't treat players like that and then expect their pals to run through walls for you.
I am quite supprised that anyone thinks he should get sacked but couldn't see it 3 months ago because nothing has really changed.
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I have no idea what's going on, but sadly the 'human emotion' for me at the moment is as bad/sad as the bloody Southall/Nimer/Farnell days. I know it should not be but it just is.
Perhaps because one was a complete shambles off the pitch, and now the same depth is being shown on the pitch. All litered with excuses, cover ups, finger pointing and bad discipline.0 -
Sounds to me like he wants to be sacked.......Doesn't want to resign though.LouisMend said:
So it's all about the £££££ then. Oh sorry.......€€€€€ as he wants to to back to France.3 -
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I think I can safely say I got this right...
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If you have a lot of players in a squad who don't appear to care then the first thing you'd look at would be the manager - it's hardly rocket science. Too much of a coincidence that so many players are underperforming under him.Garrymanilow said:
But there's a stark difference between asking players to run through walls and expecting the basics from professionals. At the start of last season we were getting the running though walls effect and the players were performing beyond themselves. Injuries and mad ownerships dented confidence and we went back down to our level. This isn't that though, this is players who don't seem to care at all, who aren't trying and aren't doing the basics resulting in them getting turned over at home against Blackpool. We're being told that our players don't care, and reading this thread it's remarkable the amount people will forgive the players anything if they don't like the manager. Your anger and frustrations can be directed to more than one place, and if hearing what we've heard that the only place we're willing to look is the manager then we're evidently perfectly happy to have players here who just don't really care about playing for us because the manager subbed them early once or was harsh in a press conference. That's no good.Cafc43v3r said:
He nailed himself to that cross in November. If you publicly slag off you players, sub them off before half time or sub a sub you have to be 100% right.Garrymanilow said:I'm honestly surprised people aren't angrier about what Bowyer is saying. I get that people think he's to blame too, and that's fine, but he hasn't become a liar overnight and he's saying that there are a lot of players at this club who just don't care. That's a big problem. Maybe we can bring in a manager to make motivate them, but should we have to? Should we be satisfied with players who can decide that they don't fancy it anymore if they don't like the manager and down tools? We've had teams like that before under Pardew and when Powell came in, and changing the manager didn't fix it because there's a problem at a fundamental level. Contrast Riga's two spells; a Powell team full of desire that lacked a bit of quality, and then a team full of randoms who mostly didn't look like they cared even once. One stayed up and one didn't. I can deal with players not being very good, I can deal with having a manager who isn't up to it, I can deal with poor performances when players are out of their depth, but I really can't stand having players who just shrug their shoulders, don't train as hard as they could and aren't bothered. Football is all most of us have during this lockdown period, the least they can do is care.
You have to start winnings games and prove it to the dressing room.
You can say what you like about Maddison's attitude (we should never have signed him in the first place) or Bogle's ability. You don't treat players like that and then expect their pals to run through walls for you.
I am quite supprised that anyone thinks he should get sacked but couldn't see it 3 months ago because nothing has really changed.
He deserves the sack based on results - that's his job.
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How dare you? He is the most loyal person we could ever hope for. Look at all the games he loyally played for us.golfaddick said:
Sounds to me like he wants to be sacked.......Doesn't want to resign though.LouisMend said:
So it's all about the £££££ then. Oh sorry.......€€€€€ as he wants to to back to France.2 -
Worst performance I can remember in a long time.
we were very poor and did not have one shot at goal.
the correct Score was in-fact 1-0 to Blackpool.
The Fat out of condition referee was a disgrace
As both Penalties and red cards were fucking moronic decisions.
We may as well creat 100 corners as we waste every one, .........I never thought I would ever say this but I do not think 50% of this team are fit to where the Shirt.
utterly appalling spectacle to the watch 👎👎👎👎1 -
How much difference in levels of compensation between him being sacked and resigning?0
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Well another bad week for me supporting team sport. The England cricket team abjectly folded and lost inside two days on a slightly rigged pitch with some third umpiring of a standard which is exactly why independent umpires were brought in to begin with. We would still have lost.
Charlton put out a team that looks slightly odd with two wingers but no real central midfield. The players look half paced which for some of them is pretty special as full pace gets battered over 10 yards by a tortoise. Another truly terrible first half where the only surprise was that we had managed to play worse than Tuesday, oh and the formation and that chucks didn’t start.
surely the players must be hoping they can blame Bowyer for their performances because otherwise, with them nearly all being out of contract in the summer, they aren’t exactly showcasing themselves for a new gig.
Lee Bowyer seems to think that all players know how to play multiple systems and will give their all in the pitch just because he says they should, well unfortunately it doesn’t work like that with most people Lee. Ye a you need to be challenged but you also do your best when you feel a part of something, when you buy into a vision, when you are led.We fielded no players today who had come through Charlton ranks, the only squad member was the reserve goalie. Why is that? We may not always have done brilliantly in recent seasons but we have had players who would run themselves into the hound for Charlton, many brought into the club were inspired by the desire of the youngsters coming through.I’m sure you care about the club Lee and we would all have loved it if you had been the man to take us take us forward and back to the premiership. The problem is that you haven’t built any team spirit this year and many things you have done have eroded what there was. If you are afforded any more time by SandGaard and that would be a surprise, you need to go back to building a club and team spirit. Try taking some blame yourself and try asking for some advice from your team and senior players.I fear it’s probably too late.4 -
I doubt that any of those players were signed without Bowyers approval. He has a great relationship with Gallen. Gallen isn't the problem here.dajavouslagan said:
Bowyer rightly getting pelters but what about Gallen. He is signing all these wonderful players!CheshireAddick said:
So who is head of recruitment....oh wonder recruiter Gallon!!Charltonparklane said:Morgan, Lapslie, Williams, Maddison
Shinnie, Pratley, Watson, Smyth.
I'd chuck in Gilbey, Gunter, Schwartz
Yeah great recruitment.
Ain't got a clue.
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I'm so glad I've got a meeting Tuesday night, saves me making a decision as to if to watch or not.
Just so poor, lacklustre, no pace, no desire. 11 footballers running around the grass with no cohesion.
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May I recommend a decent bottle of Rioja and the Freddie Mercury tribute concert currently playing on Sky Arts HD?0
