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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Blackpool | Sat 27 Feb 2021
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In the aftermatch interview with Lee, Scott must have asked him on at least two occasions, about playing his best 11, with no meaningful response, other than to blame various players ability, or the lack of it, on not being able to play his best 11.
I really don't believe he would know his best 11 if his life depended on it, he has chopped and changed it so much, seemingly on a whim, that he is blind to the fact he has lost his way totally.2 -
They may have limited room in the actual dressing room due to covid, seems daft I know but it isn't just the players in there.0
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He obviously cares more than you give him credit for. Says it how he sees it. What is wrong with that ? Treat the players how they deserve to be treated. If someone does not care about the club...why show care for them? Its not classy to whimp outDagenhamAddick said:Most of these quotes now from Bowyer are despicable. I don't want a fella like him leading the club now. He has not earned the right to treat players the way he does. One promotion via the playoffs does not give you carte blanche to talk like this. No class or gravitas.6 -
I think some of the comments on here show that some don't understand the implications of losing the dressing room. It is like losing the confidence of a supervisor or manager at work. You come in and do your job but you don't jump through hoops, you moan behind their backs and you are relieved and do better when they go.Cafc43v3r said:
He nailed himself to that cross in November. If you publicly slag off you players, sub them off before half time or sub a sub you have to be 100% right.Garrymanilow said:I'm honestly surprised people aren't angrier about what Bowyer is saying. I get that people think he's to blame too, and that's fine, but he hasn't become a liar overnight and he's saying that there are a lot of players at this club who just don't care. That's a big problem. Maybe we can bring in a manager to make motivate them, but should we have to? Should we be satisfied with players who can decide that they don't fancy it anymore if they don't like the manager and down tools? We've had teams like that before under Pardew and when Powell came in, and changing the manager didn't fix it because there's a problem at a fundamental level. Contrast Riga's two spells; a Powell team full of desire that lacked a bit of quality, and then a team full of randoms who mostly didn't look like they cared even once. One stayed up and one didn't. I can deal with players not being very good, I can deal with having a manager who isn't up to it, I can deal with poor performances when players are out of their depth, but I really can't stand having players who just shrug their shoulders, don't train as hard as they could and aren't bothered. Football is all most of us have during this lockdown period, the least they can do is care.
You have to start winnings games and prove it to the dressing room.
You can say what you like about Maddison's attitude (we should never have signed him in the first place) or Bogle's ability. You don't treat players like that and then expect their pals to run through walls for you.
I am quite supprised that anyone thinks he should get sacked but couldn't see it 3 months ago because nothing has really changed.
Poor managers in any walk of life don't get results. The sad thing is that Bowyer did a great job until things happened to him. But his behaviours alone this season should speak for themselves. You don't need to be Columbo to work it out.
And it isn't rocket science to deduce that Bowyer is holding out for a pay off and Sandgaard is reluctant to pay it.10 -
Still defended Pratley, a liability all this season.14
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Yup.MuttleyCAFC said:
I think some of the comments on here show that some don't understand the implications of losing the dressing room. It is like losing the confidence of a supervisor or manager at work. You come in and do your job but you don't jump through hoops, you moan behind their backs and you are relieved and do better when they go.Cafc43v3r said:
He nailed himself to that cross in November. If you publicly slag off you players, sub them off before half time or sub a sub you have to be 100% right.Garrymanilow said:I'm honestly surprised people aren't angrier about what Bowyer is saying. I get that people think he's to blame too, and that's fine, but he hasn't become a liar overnight and he's saying that there are a lot of players at this club who just don't care. That's a big problem. Maybe we can bring in a manager to make motivate them, but should we have to? Should we be satisfied with players who can decide that they don't fancy it anymore if they don't like the manager and down tools? We've had teams like that before under Pardew and when Powell came in, and changing the manager didn't fix it because there's a problem at a fundamental level. Contrast Riga's two spells; a Powell team full of desire that lacked a bit of quality, and then a team full of randoms who mostly didn't look like they cared even once. One stayed up and one didn't. I can deal with players not being very good, I can deal with having a manager who isn't up to it, I can deal with poor performances when players are out of their depth, but I really can't stand having players who just shrug their shoulders, don't train as hard as they could and aren't bothered. Football is all most of us have during this lockdown period, the least they can do is care.
You have to start winnings games and prove it to the dressing room.
You can say what you like about Maddison's attitude (we should never have signed him in the first place) or Bogle's ability. You don't treat players like that and then expect their pals to run through walls for you.
I am quite supprised that anyone thinks he should get sacked but couldn't see it 3 months ago because nothing has really changed.
Poor managers in any walk of life don't get results. The sad thing is that Bowyer did a great job until things happened to him. But his behaviours alone this season should speak for themselves. You don't need to be Columbo to work it out.0 -
but even that is bollox coz we've won games before and then he's made 5 changes next gameCallumcafc said:He said Washington had an opportunity to stake a claim for a place in the team next week and he didn't take it. He used Conor as an example to make a wider point about the fact that everyone in the squad is doing the same - no-one is coming into the side and grabbing the shirt.21 -
Also, when you are asked to do something remotely demanding you lack belief in what you are being asked to do.Wheresmeticket? said:
Yup.MuttleyCAFC said:
I think some of the comments on here show that some don't understand the implications of losing the dressing room. It is like losing the confidence of a supervisor or manager at work. You come in and do your job but you don't jump through hoops, you moan behind their backs and you are relieved and do better when they go.Cafc43v3r said:
He nailed himself to that cross in November. If you publicly slag off you players, sub them off before half time or sub a sub you have to be 100% right.Garrymanilow said:I'm honestly surprised people aren't angrier about what Bowyer is saying. I get that people think he's to blame too, and that's fine, but he hasn't become a liar overnight and he's saying that there are a lot of players at this club who just don't care. That's a big problem. Maybe we can bring in a manager to make motivate them, but should we have to? Should we be satisfied with players who can decide that they don't fancy it anymore if they don't like the manager and down tools? We've had teams like that before under Pardew and when Powell came in, and changing the manager didn't fix it because there's a problem at a fundamental level. Contrast Riga's two spells; a Powell team full of desire that lacked a bit of quality, and then a team full of randoms who mostly didn't look like they cared even once. One stayed up and one didn't. I can deal with players not being very good, I can deal with having a manager who isn't up to it, I can deal with poor performances when players are out of their depth, but I really can't stand having players who just shrug their shoulders, don't train as hard as they could and aren't bothered. Football is all most of us have during this lockdown period, the least they can do is care.
You have to start winnings games and prove it to the dressing room.
You can say what you like about Maddison's attitude (we should never have signed him in the first place) or Bogle's ability. You don't treat players like that and then expect their pals to run through walls for you.
I am quite supprised that anyone thinks he should get sacked but couldn't see it 3 months ago because nothing has really changed.
Poor managers in any walk of life don't get results. The sad thing is that Bowyer did a great job until things happened to him. But his behaviours alone this season should speak for themselves. You don't need to be Columbo to work it out.4 -
Solidgone said:I put the blame entirely on me for this run of defeats and poor play. The reason is obvious. I’ve thrown away my lucky underpants. I know it sounds weird as an excuse but I’ve worn them at both play off finals. But I didn’t wear them at the Freight Trophy final against Blackburn Rovers. You know what I’m saying. You can throw as much abuse as you want at me but I can now stand firm with my M&S trunks which are totally supportive of my decision to cast away my old faithfuls. All I can say is that I’m deeply sorry and I hope there’s room in your heart to at least consider forgiveness.*where’s the custard?
FFS you've had the same pants since the Blackburn game ? I take it you're single ?
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The other week we had Morgan on the pitch who had two shots, one which hit the bar And Bows moaned he should have passed it, took him off at ht.
Yet he persists with Shinnie, Pratley, Watson who are just dreadful.
He has lost it, completely and utterly.8 -
The ref was poor but we would have lost today even if Terry Smith was reffing it
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@Viewfinder something good has come from this performance, it annoys me so much when people use "turgid" to describe a limp performance.Viewfinder said:Utterly appalling. A flaccid and vacuous performance against a bang-ordinary team – we mustered just two shots in the entire game, neither of which was on target. Pitiful.
Blackpool were playing keep-ball at the end. After 30 consecutive passes, we intercepted – and lost possession with the second pass. That speaks volumes. Our approach play is pedestrian and plodding – there is no spark or surprise, no flash of danger. Apart from Millar. Poor Jaiyesimi made wrong decisions when advancing; he’s been Charltonised already.
Amos has become a liability within just a few games; witness the innocuous shot late in the second half that he fluffed for a corner. The second penalty seemed harsh; Aneke’s straight red looks justified when the elbow is seen in slow motion.
Almost zero chance of the play-offs. We are shyte.
I'm sure there are Lifers that are familiar with flaccid moments. Perhaps, it's those memories that drive them inappropriately use "turgid" instead of flaccid.2 -
I cannot remember a match with so many talking points, but so little entertainment. Absolutely shocking performance, nowhere near good enough. It is true that some of the decisions taken in isolation look harsh, not all of them though, and the big thing is we do silly things that allow officials to make decisions against us. It's not by accident that our disciplinary record is appalling (just checked, we're 23rd out of 24 on that front).
- No doubts about Pratley's sending off. The man is like an indisciplined child at times. If you do stupid things like that, you're only going invite trouble. It's OK for Curbs saying that he does a good job of winding up the opposition but, here's the thing, when we wind up the opposition we usually end up worse for it. Let's try playing football rather than pretending were Mexican wrestlers.
- The second penalty was as clear a dive as you'll ever see. Surely, the referee must have been wrong to give it then! Not a bit of it. The referee can only give what he sees, and what he would have seen was Watson's hand palm-down on the bloke's back. It had no reason to be there, but it gave the attacker the opportunity to try it on. What on earth did he think he could possibly gain pawing a man who's got his back to him? Watson, you're meant to be a grown adult, if you don't have sufficient control of your body to avoid doing stupid things in our penalty area, don't take a wage as a professional athlete.
- Chuck's sending off. Definitely a foul as his arms were bent back more than 180° and caught the bloke right in the mooey. I think the red was harsh as I don't think it was intentional. I know that he needs his arms up to get lift, but there does seem to be a lack of awareness. Hope we appeal, but won't be at all surprised if it's deemed frivolous.
Felt sorry for Lisbie. You could see him afterwards looking to the heavens, thinking what on Earth do I say here. Not only have I just witnessed a disaster, but I'm expected to speak after Curbs has pulled it apart. To be fair to both of them and Scott, Brownie and Morts it's a bugger of a position to be in, being expected to comment coherently on a shitshow without dropping anyone in it.12 -
Shinnie who had 4 assists in 5 games before today?Charltonparklane said:The other week we had Morgan on the pitch who had two shots, one which hit the bar And Bows moaned he should have passed it, took him off at ht.
Yet he persists with Shinnie, Pratley, Watson who are just dreadful.
He has lost it, completely and utterly.
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I thought it was The Full Members Cup ?1
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So who is head of recruitment....oh wonder recruiter Gallon!!Charltonparklane said:Morgan, Lapslie, Williams, Maddison
Shinnie, Pratley, Watson, Smyth.
I'd chuck in Gilbey, Gunter, Schwartz
Yeah great recruitment.
Ain't got a clue.0 -
Lee played at Prem Level for many years and has a Prem mentality. If he was told to play as holding midfielder in diamond he would know what the manager wanted and he cared so much he chined Dyer because he wasn't pulling his weight.
The players he is dealing with now would on the whole struggle to get into a Championship side , or are taking wages at the tail end of their career.
He needs to keep things simple, get them 1yd fitter, and practise their first touch. Play 4-4-2 , blood some of the youngsters, and get ready for next term. Remember Curbs had his set backs before he got going, the structure is in place. We don't want another manager merry go round, remember Bows could have walked but he didn't , time for us as supporters to hold our nerve, and show him the same loyalty he showed us2 -
what else can they say? they're trying their best to fill some time without saying the truth - that the manager has completely and utterly lost itRaplhMilne said:Curbs, Minto, are as deluded as Bowyer...... still taking about the run.... GET REAL IT ISNT GOING TO HAPPEN.......2 -
He and Dyer had handbags because Dyer refused to pass to him.5
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I think he is the player that won't play Tuesday.Dazzler21 said:
Shinnie who had 4 assists in 5 games before today?Charltonparklane said:The other week we had Morgan on the pitch who had two shots, one which hit the bar And Bows moaned he should have passed it, took him off at ht.
Yet he persists with Shinnie, Pratley, Watson who are just dreadful.
He has lost it, completely and utterly.0 -
Time for TS to put everyone out of their misery.
I do make LB right though. Can’t remember a side so blatantly full of disinterested players. They’re getting away with it at the moment - and they shouldn’t be.
Ben Watson is robbing this club of money. I’d rather TS bought a luxury apartment and 58 Range Rovers than pay him.7 -
Pressure has got to him and TS needs to put him out of his misery. He did well for us but needs to go with our blessing and thanks before he does himself more damage mentally and professionally.1
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"The players I have in that dressing room are underachieving, 100 percent"LouisMend said:
Last week he said we were overachieving ?16 -
Or is it 4.54 LitresCheshireAddick said:
So who is head of recruitment....oh wonder recruiter Gallon!!Charltonparklane said:Morgan, Lapslie, Williams, Maddison
Shinnie, Pratley, Watson, Smyth.
I'd chuck in Gilbey, Gunter, Schwartz
Yeah great recruitment.
Ain't got a clue. 3 -
3.78l isn't it?3
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Would anything actually be worse if he had walked?usetobunkin said:Lee played at Prem Level for many years and has a Prem mentality. If he was told to play as holding midfielder in diamond he would know what the manager wanted and he cared so much he chined Dyer because he wasn't pulling his weight.
The players he is dealing with now would on the whole struggle to get into a Championship side , or are taking wages at the tail end of their career.
He needs to keep things simple, get them 1yd fitter, and practise their first touch. Play 4-4-2 , blood some of the youngsters, and get ready for next term. Remember Curbs had his set backs before he got going, the structure is in place. We don't want another manager merry go round, remember Bows could have walked but he didn't , time for us as supporters to hold our nerve, and show him the same loyalty he showed us
He was never going to walk after he got a proper contract3 -
He just needs to learn how to manage people then he might be able to do the job. He's been useless for most of this season and deserves the sack for this - I'm rapidly losing any respect for him listening to his inane interviews.usetobunkin said:Lee played at Prem Level for many years and has a Prem mentality. If he was told to play as holding midfielder in diamond he would know what the manager wanted and he cared so much he chined Dyer because he wasn't pulling his weight.
The players he is dealing with now would on the whole struggle to get into a Championship side , or are taking wages at the tail end of their career.
He needs to keep things simple, get them 1yd fitter, and practise their first touch. Play 4-4-2 , blood some of the youngsters, and get ready for next term. Remember Curbs had his set backs before he got going, the structure is in place. We don't want another manager merry go round, remember Bows could have walked but he didn't , time for us as supporters to hold our nerve, and show him the same loyalty he showed us2 -
Bowyer rightly getting pelters but what about Gallen. He is signing all these wonderful players!CheshireAddick said:
So who is head of recruitment....oh wonder recruiter Gallon!!Charltonparklane said:Morgan, Lapslie, Williams, Maddison
Shinnie, Pratley, Watson, Smyth.
I'd chuck in Gilbey, Gunter, Schwartz
Yeah great recruitment.
Ain't got a clue.0 -
That's a US GallonDazzler21 said:3.78l isn't it?4
