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Has Bowyer lost it?
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You just had to fix it for me didn't you?DamoNorthStand said:Wheresmeticket? said:
I don't believe this is even close to the truth. If he lacks one quality it is guile and I think this sort of calculated spite is not in his nature - that is more of in Pardew's style and for what it is worth I don't buy the comparisons now being made.paulfox said:All these bowyer comments just sound like he’s getting his last digs in before he gats a call, he’ll take everyone down in the sinking ship that he can. Very odd considering he loves the club so much!!. It’s really becoming sad to be honest and I’m not enjoying it, however I think it’s best all round for him to call it quits.
But what do I know? I'm just a punter.
And before anyone thinks of "fixing that" for me, don't.
Well seeing as you don’t get the Pardew comparisons here’s your own version - adds up to the same. He’s chatting utter guff.0 -
He might care but he can't do his job so how does that benefit Charlton?Gravesend_Addick said:0 -
BTW I have been in the Bowyer out camp since before it was fashionable.DamoNorthStand said:Wheresmeticket? said:
I don't believe this is even close to the truth. If he lacks one quality it is guile and I think this sort of calculated spite is not in his nature - that is more of in Pardew's style and for what it is worth I don't buy the comparisons now being made.paulfox said:All these bowyer comments just sound like he’s getting his last digs in before he gats a call, he’ll take everyone down in the sinking ship that he can. Very odd considering he loves the club so much!!. It’s really becoming sad to be honest and I’m not enjoying it, however I think it’s best all round for him to call it quits.
But what do I know? I'm just a punter.
And before anyone thinks of "fixing that" for me, don't.Well seeing as you don’t get the Pardew comparisons here’s your own version - adds up to the same. He’s chatting utter guff.0 -
Definitely a and partly b. But we definitely aint seeing the best of these players because the dressing room is lost and theres no fight. Get someone new in who can motivate them and inspire some confidence.Dazzler21 said:So what's the concensus?
Is the issue:
A - Bowyer has lost the dressing room as suggested by a player to J Block
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B - ThE PlAyErS ArEn'T gOoD eNoUgH.2 -
Because he can't walk away from a 7 figure payout because he has a family?ForeverAddickted said:
Why does Bowyer's family have to be brought into it?AndyHuntUpFront said:Well done you loyalists watching the last two games. I’ve stopped watching and it’s so much easier to take when you are not witnessing it.
Decison not to buy a centre mid or two with legs in Jan the biggest mistake. Whatever team he selects has to have a Watson or Pratley in. 2 players for every position? That’s not even half a player. By failing to address this clear weakness has cost him his job.
And just a reminder that Bowyer has a family. He may have done ok from football but his career is short. He may never get another management job after this. So asking him to resign is not an easy thing. Thanks for the good times, Lee. Let’s just trust Thomas now. Bowyer is down. But he’s not a bad guy in this let’s remember. A limited manager and coach maybe but that’s it.0 -
I get the suspicion is that this what Lee wantsGravesend_Addick said:6 -
He wants a payoff and won't walk. Unless he's completely deluded he must know he's doing a poor job.cafc999 said:
I get the suspicion is that this what Lee wantsGravesend_Addick said:0 -
Blaming the officials is getting more than tiresome now.
It's league one FFS. The officials are SHIT! It's part and parcel of the game.
Across the board, They are abysmal, atrocious ,add any other expletive you like.
It has to be factored in and you just have to get on with it.
Bowyer seems incapable of doing this.9 -
The reason I am finding this so hard to swallow is that for the first part of last season under difficult circumstances he assembled a team who were more than competing and were putting in proper Charlton performances!I feel so sorry for him! I think it’s the right outcome if he were to leave, but some of the bitterness some of our fans have against him is really upsetting to see!4
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I’m flabbergasted there are some on here who feel sorry for him.
Feel sorry for him if he were to hold his hands up and admit he’s not doing a good job but not when he blames everyone, and I mean everyone, but himself.
How dare he not dig out Pratley for what was a despicable performance yet supposedly he’s found someone else who won’t play for him again.
Its unbelievable he’s still here and I’m concerned as to why Thomas isn’t acting on this.
The feeling around the place is turning quite toxic and it stems from one area.
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Roddy obviously seeing what we all see! Bowyers seeing him as the main threat to his job as in that statement about problem coming from within the club. Would imagine Roddys on the phone to TS right now!0
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No idea mate, not paid a 6 figure salary to work it out either.esseffect said:
Please tell me what you would do different in his shoesWattsTheMatter said:
What does Lee Bowyer have on you? How, after the abysmal performance and press conference, do you manage to find a way to turn this on other fans?esseffect said:It’s funny how you all picked different sides every week but want a settled side too.Just because the spotlight isn’t on your every week you get away with.
You’re not professional football managers for a reason.
”yeah but it’s my opinion” grow up
But I would suggest a system, a style of play, a formation and an identity would be a good starting point.
What would you do? Make 10 changes in 135 minutes of football?8 -
What should show people what we now have with Bowyer is this. After about 15 minutes, how many people could see it wasn't working? After 20 minutes, how many more? Then after 30 minutes surely everybody.
What do you do when something isn't working? You change it. Bowyer could have taken a wide man off (probably DJ) and also Washington. Then he could have played Millar behind a front two of Aneke and Stockley with an extra body in midfield as we were not winning enough there.
Would that have worked? Who knows, but again it was blindingly obvious what we were doing wasn't working. Why potentially wait for a second and lose valuable time to get back into the game. It could show Bowyer doesn't trust the players to sort themselves out with a change of tactics outside of half time. That probably says more about his mindset at the moment than the players.2 -
When he was talking about people trying to destroy the club from within, surely he was talking about under the previous owners!!!
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I must admit, that's how I read it. People reading too much into that commentFishCostaFortune said:When he was talking about people trying to destroy the club from within, surely he was talking about under the previous owners!!!21 -
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.8
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Talking about himself. The cunning evil genius.FishCostaFortune said:When he was talking about people trying to destroy the club from within, surely he was talking about under the previous owners!!!1 -
Yup, my thoughts. There are some brilliant players in that team. There is one common factor.J BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.3 -
Players seem to be going backwards at an alarming rate. A couple of weeks at Charlton seems to do the trick.J BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Nearly every player we have signed this season seems to have got worse
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Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards7 -
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But Bowyer says it's the players faults:
https://youtu.be/DIVwuUG4-LU
Manager says our players are good but knew exactly how to open us up.1 -
We couldn’t beat themForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.9 -
The team is devoid of confidence so it is a bit harsh writing a player off in these circumstances.2
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I read that statement as what had happened before TS had took over not currently. I may be wrong?dajavouslagan said:Roddy obviously seeing what we all see! Bowyers seeing him as the main threat to his job as in that statement about problem coming from within the club. Would imagine Roddys on the phone to TS right now!5 -
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat themcafcfan1990 said:
We couldn’t beat themForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?1 -
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they?ForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?Just the two sendings off today.0 -
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?J BLOCK said:
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they?ForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?Just the two sendings off today.1 -
Either the players aren't as good as we thought they were or they're just playing for a manager who doesn't know how to get the best out of them.ForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards3 -
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.ForeverAddickted said:
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat themcafcfan1990 said:
We couldn’t beat themForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.2 -
I am and I haven’t change the discussion. You’re talking about level and standards I’m questioning what ‘level’ and ‘standards’ you are talking aboutForeverAddickted said:
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?J BLOCK said:
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they?ForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?Just the two sendings off today.2
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