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Goalkeepers tend to reach their peaks much later than outfield players. 22 is still relatively young for a goalkeeper in that respect.eastterrace6168 said:Lots of talk about sending AMB out on loan and getting a back up for Amos, AMB is 22 years old, and surely has reached an age to be considered more than a constant "out on loan", what this does to the lads confidence is unknown, must be very disheartening
Don't see anything that Adkins has said to be disheartening. He clearly has a pathway into the first team, and like most other keepers will do him well to drop down a league and learn elsewhere.
Dillion Phillips was on loan at Cheltenham at 21, and Pope at 23 at Bury before they broke into the first team.8 -
If anything I'd say this was very positive for AMB to hear as it makes it clear the manager wants him to be playing and sees him as good enough to not be stuck on a bench.7
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Theres always Steve Brown sitting in the commentary box, I believe he still carries his goalkeeping gloves with him, just in case.Garrymanilow said:
Also, if your keeper gets injured in a game then you need someone to bring on. You really don't want that to be a 17 year old academy player. Same if he gets sent off and then suspended. You always need a decent back up keeper. It's also good for competition, players can get complacent if they know they're playing no matter whatForeverAddickted said:
Yet you then take the risk of there being an emergency Goalkeeper thats good enough.MattF said:
Seems a waste of wages having an experienced keeper as backup when you can sign a keeper on emergency loanthenewbie said:
If Ben Amos does stay, and AMB goes out on loan (which to be fair he needs to for the reasons Adkins states) we will need a proper back up keeper.Cafc43v3r said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-athletic-set-to-loan-out-maynard-brewer-as-boss-confirms-he-wants-ben-amos-to-stay/
An interest development but sort of undermines what JC said about the Pompey keeper 🤷♂️
Not sure any of the youth keepers are ready yet to step up to the first team, even as back up.4 -
There won't be a problem with him talking to his defence!Hal1x said:
Theres always Steve Brown sitting in the commentary box, I bet he still carries goalkeeping gloves with him just in case.Garrymanilow said:
Also, if your keeper gets injured in a game then you need someone to bring on. You really don't want that to be a 17 year old academy player. Same if he gets sent off and then suspended. You always need a decent back up keeper. It's also good for competition, players can get complacent if they know they're playing no matter whatForeverAddickted said:
Yet you then take the risk of there being an emergency Goalkeeper thats good enough.MattF said:
Seems a waste of wages having an experienced keeper as backup when you can sign a keeper on emergency loanthenewbie said:
If Ben Amos does stay, and AMB goes out on loan (which to be fair he needs to for the reasons Adkins states) we will need a proper back up keeper.Cafc43v3r said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-athletic-set-to-loan-out-maynard-brewer-as-boss-confirms-he-wants-ben-amos-to-stay/
An interest development but sort of undermines what JC said about the Pompey keeper 🤷♂️
Not sure any of the youth keepers are ready yet to step up to the first team, even as back up.4 -
South Eastern Railways to be next year's shirt sponsor.Henry Irving said:Valley car park currently home to five or six containers/offices belonging to South Eastern Rail Services and a mountain of sand.
No, I don't know what it means either.0 -
I heard that was cancelled due to staff shortageDansk_Red said:
South Eastern Railways to be next year's shirt sponsor.Henry Irving said:Valley car park currently home to five or six containers/offices belonging to South Eastern Rail Services and a mountain of sand.
No, I don't know what it means either.9 -
Games called off for leaves on the pitch6
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Jake may have rejected a deal IF we put forward a low basic with a pay as you play deal?0
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Stand by for trespassers on the pitch.Charltonparklane said:Games called off for leaves on the pitch
Although we have had a points failure the last two seasons.3 -
I've seen this suggested a few times in other places for Chuks too, I really can't see us doing that. We're paying professional athletes not handing out a 0-hour contract to a teenager with performance based perks.Dazzler21 said:Jake may have rejected a deal IF we put forward a low basic with a pay as you play deal?
I could be wrong but I really can't see a professional football club offering anybody this kind of deal.3 - Sponsored links:
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No just seriously delayed.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:
I heard that was cancelled due to staff shortageDansk_Red said:
South Eastern Railways to be next year's shirt sponsor.Henry Irving said:Valley car park currently home to five or six containers/offices belonging to South Eastern Rail Services and a mountain of sand.
No, I don't know what it means either.1 -
Or Jake may not have rejected a deal.1
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Pay as you play contracts are quite common, especially for players that don't get a lot of starts for whatever reason. Injury, age, general fitness. The low basic would still be decent compared to most of us, the split could be 10/25 or even 50% of the salary.Vfrf said:
I've seen this suggested a few times in other places for Chuks too, I really can't see us doing that. We're paying professional athletes not handing out a 0-hour contract to a teenager with performance based perks.Dazzler21 said:Jake may have rejected a deal IF we put forward a low basic with a pay as you play deal?
I could be wrong but I really can't see a professional football club offering anybody this kind of deal.0 -
Are they quite common? They are quite commonly discussed/suggested on here and elsewhere, but do you know anyone at league level that actually has one?Dazzler21 said:
Pay as you play contracts are quite common, especially for players that don't get a lot of starts for whatever reason. Injury, age, general fitness.Vfrf said:
I've seen this suggested a few times in other places for Chuks too, I really can't see us doing that. We're paying professional athletes not handing out a 0-hour contract to a teenager with performance based perks.Dazzler21 said:Jake may have rejected a deal IF we put forward a low basic with a pay as you play deal?
I could be wrong but I really can't see a professional football club offering anybody this kind of deal.3 -
SalarySports.com says he gets £3100 a week, no idea if this a reliable source, but its out there on the net.Cafc43v3r said:
He didn't get a promotion bonus because he was out of contract at the end of the 18/19 season and signed a year with a one year option extension in his current deal.Covered_End_Lad said:
JFC is one of our highest earners currently. About 5K I believe. He benefited from a promotion wage rise, relegation wage drop was significantly less.Cafc43v3r said:
It should be a one year extension to his current contract, remember that was originally signed at the start of Roland's austerity, and has already been rolled over twice. It won't be that much.Leeds_Addick said:I really hope we haven't taken advantage of his injury situation and offered him a measly contract with the knowledge he'll struggle to sign elsewhere
No way did we offer him a new deal on 5k a week then offer new signings 2ish k a week.0 -
Unfortunately I don't think any of us have access to people's pay details in depth, I believe Page was on one on his final year with us, but obviously that may be just a rumour.Cafc43v3r said:
Are they quite common? They are quite commonly discussed/suggested on here and elsewhere, but do you know anyone at league level that actually has one?Dazzler21 said:
Pay as you play contracts are quite common, especially for players that don't get a lot of starts for whatever reason. Injury, age, general fitness.Vfrf said:
I've seen this suggested a few times in other places for Chuks too, I really can't see us doing that. We're paying professional athletes not handing out a 0-hour contract to a teenager with performance based perks.Dazzler21 said:Jake may have rejected a deal IF we put forward a low basic with a pay as you play deal?
I could be wrong but I really can't see a professional football club offering anybody this kind of deal.0 -
He signed a 2 year contract and left at the end of it. There was the option on an extension if he played a certain amount of games so I doubt you would have that and pay as you play.Dazzler21 said:
Unfortunately I don't think any of us have access to people's pay details in depth, I believe Page was on one on his final year with us, but obviously that may be just a rumour.Cafc43v3r said:
Are they quite common? They are quite commonly discussed/suggested on here and elsewhere, but do you know anyone at league level that actually has one?Dazzler21 said:
Pay as you play contracts are quite common, especially for players that don't get a lot of starts for whatever reason. Injury, age, general fitness.Vfrf said:
I've seen this suggested a few times in other places for Chuks too, I really can't see us doing that. We're paying professional athletes not handing out a 0-hour contract to a teenager with performance based perks.Dazzler21 said:Jake may have rejected a deal IF we put forward a low basic with a pay as you play deal?
I could be wrong but I really can't see a professional football club offering anybody this kind of deal.
https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5bf2cf1e02264/lewis-page-pens-new-addicks-deal-to-keep-him-at-the-valley-until-at-least-2020
A quick Google suggested semi pro clubs have players on pay as you play, John Terry on top of 150k a week basic and Owen Hargreaves at Man City.0 -
Providing he doesn't get done by bad injury, a player doesn't suddenly become useless overnight.MartinCAFC said:
5 goals means he isn't up to top half Championship standard regardless of playing to his strengths.Oggy Red said:
That doesn't really mean anything.MartinCAFC said:I don't think there's anything in Millwall looking at Taylor.
He scored 5 goals for Forest last season, if Millwall have any play off push ambition they'll need to aim higher.
If any team set up to play to his strengths, he'll score goals plenty.
But he won't score many of you expect him to fit into a different gameplan - and then leave him on the bench.
Why didn't Forest do this if they saw they had a top six Championship striker on there books instead of struggling against relegation for a lot of it?
Can only see Taylor going to a lower Championship team at best, maybe even a League One team.
Taylor managed to score 11 goals in 22 games in the Championship playing for Charlton the previous season.
Yet he sits mostly on the bench at Forest in a struggling team.
Whether he's "up to top half Championship standard" is surely equally about the quality and performance of the team he plays in.
He was scoring goals for fun for Charlton in our very decent start to our last Championship season, before he got injured.
And with Taylor in the side at that time Charlton were a top half Championship side.
But then we already knew how to set up to use him effectively.
Anyway who cares where he goes next? He'll chase the dollar, won't he?
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That was a long time ago ..... without today's pressure of expectation of winning promotion or bust, perhaps?addick1956 said:
Sammy Bartram and Graham Tutt were younger on debut.ForeverAddickted said:
Phillips was around 22 / 23 before he got his opportunity - Goalkeepers always seem to wait a bit longer for their debuts than other positionseastterrace6168 said:Lots of talk about sending AMB out on loan and getting a back up for Amos, AMB is 22 years old, and surely has reached an age to be considered more than a constant "out on loan", what this does to the lads confidence is unknown, must be very disheartening
Young players generally need to feel their way in a 1st team environment, be free to make the odd mistake as part of their learning curve - without being trashed by all and sundry because there's too much at stake.
And as a previous poster pointed out, debutant/inexperienced keepers don't get the luxury of 20 minutes run out late in the game to gain experience.
It's all or nothing for a young keeper. That's why they are generally loaned out at a lower level for a season or half season ..... and if they are loaned out to National League, they can be recalled after a month if needed.
AMB is almost 22 but has had only a handful of cup appearances but no League experience. He's a great prospect but he's spent most of this past season not playing. He needs to play each week to gain experience and will be a better keeper for it. He may be ready for League One, despite inexperience ..... but will Adkins take the risk when everybody knows it's promotion or bust for Charlton this next season?
If I were manager, I'd send him out on loan. I reckon Adkins will too.
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I suppose it’s got to come out at some point. Light railway link being built from The Valley to the site of the new stadium on the peninsula.Henry Irving said:Valley car park currently home to five or six containers/offices belonging to South Eastern Rail Services and a mountain of sand.
No, I don't know what it means either.1 -
Agree. It's not the way to get your leading goal scorer to sign a new contract, is it?Vfrf said:
I've seen this suggested a few times in other places for Chuks too, I really can't see us doing that. We're paying professional athletes not handing out a 0-hour contract to a teenager with performance based perks.Dazzler21 said:Jake may have rejected a deal IF we put forward a low basic with a pay as you play deal?
I could be wrong but I really can't see a professional football club offering anybody this kind of deal.
Chuks scored 15 goals for Charlton last season - and never had penalty goals to swell his tally, unlike most leading scorers.
And some people don't think he's worth a full time wage?
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I've had this discussion with so many people - He's got the best goal to minute ratio in the league by a distance - including JCH.Oggy Red said:
Agree. It's not the way to get your leading goal scorer to sign a new contract, is it?Vfrf said:
I've seen this suggested a few times in other places for Chuks too, I really can't see us doing that. We're paying professional athletes not handing out a 0-hour contract to a teenager with performance based perks.Dazzler21 said:Jake may have rejected a deal IF we put forward a low basic with a pay as you play deal?
I could be wrong but I really can't see a professional football club offering anybody this kind of deal.
Chuks scored 15 goals for Charlton last season - and never had penalty goals to swell his tally, unlike most leading scorers.
And some people don't think he's worth a full time wage?
Aneke has a few benefits:
- Proven L1 goalscorer especially off the bench.
- You don't need to keep him happy by rotating him in the starting lineup.
- Now we know his capabilities, if he isn't pushed to start, he should see less injuries.
Granted, he won't be a starting striker but knowing Adkins plays one up, if you have two quality strikers - Stockley and Bishop would be my ideal, you shouldn't ever need Chuks to start. For one striker to get a long-term injury is unlucky but to have your two main strikers out for a long period of time, at the same time, is very rare and I don't think you can prepare for that.
It's near impossible to sign three fit, hungry and proven strikers who can get you 15 goals a season and keep them all happy by rotating their game time. I think Aneke is the perfect super sub and given that he has 4+ contract offers proves other managers believe the same.
EDIT: Absolute worst case scenario, taking my hypothetical situation, with Stockely and Bishop doing their ACL in the same week, Washington can plug that gap while Chuks gets the last half hour - them two are better than plenty of partnerships in the League.5 -
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Is there anything beyond him changing his social media profile to suggest he's "rejected" a deal.Dazzler21 said:Jake may have rejected a deal IF we put forward a low basic with a pay as you play deal?1 -
Generally agree with the comments here regarding AMB, but, who in league 2 is going to give him the experience of first team league football, as of now his record has been in The National League only apart from 1 cup game for us, thing is does Nige actually rate him or not, and if so, will he ever be ready for a league debut with us or anyone come to that, I say again he is 22 in a couple of weeks time, and has been with us for just short of 6 years.Oggy Red said:
That was a long time ago ..... without today's pressure of expectation of winning promotion or bust, perhaps?addick1956 said:
Sammy Bartram and Graham Tutt were younger on debut.ForeverAddickted said:
Phillips was around 22 / 23 before he got his opportunity - Goalkeepers always seem to wait a bit longer for their debuts than other positionseastterrace6168 said:Lots of talk about sending AMB out on loan and getting a back up for Amos, AMB is 22 years old, and surely has reached an age to be considered more than a constant "out on loan", what this does to the lads confidence is unknown, must be very disheartening
Young players generally need to feel their way in a 1st team environment, be free to make the odd mistake as part of their learning curve - without being trashed by all and sundry because there's too much at stake.
And as a previous poster pointed out, debutant/inexperienced keepers don't get the luxury of 20 minutes run out late in the game to gain experience.
It's all or nothing for a young keeper. That's why they are generally loaned out at a lower level for a season or half season ..... and if they are loaned out to National League, they can be recalled after a month if needed.
AMB is almost 22 but has had only a handful of cup appearances but no League experience. He's a great prospect but he's spent most of this past season not playing. He needs to play each week to gain experience and will be a better keeper for it. He may be ready for League One, despite inexperience ..... but will Adkins take the risk when everybody knows it's promotion or bust for Charlton this next season?
If I were manager, I'd send him out on loan. I reckon Adkins will too.0 -
Sounds about rightKingKinsella said:
SalarySports.com says he gets £3100 a week, no idea if this a reliable source, but its out there on the net.Cafc43v3r said:
He didn't get a promotion bonus because he was out of contract at the end of the 18/19 season and signed a year with a one year option extension in his current deal.Covered_End_Lad said:
JFC is one of our highest earners currently. About 5K I believe. He benefited from a promotion wage rise, relegation wage drop was significantly less.Cafc43v3r said:
It should be a one year extension to his current contract, remember that was originally signed at the start of Roland's austerity, and has already been rolled over twice. It won't be that much.Leeds_Addick said:I really hope we haven't taken advantage of his injury situation and offered him a measly contract with the knowledge he'll struggle to sign elsewhere
No way did we offer him a new deal on 5k a week then offer new signings 2ish k a week.0 -
If you want evidence I suggest your on the wrong thread and perhaps even the wrong forum 😂😂Henry Irving said:
Is there anything beyond him changing his social media profile to suggest he's "rejected" a deal.Dazzler21 said:Jake may have rejected a deal IF we put forward a low basic with a pay as you play deal?10 -
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