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Make ridiculous posts and get ridiculous responses. 🤷♂️I’m sure if there were some reasonable discussions being had rather than what’s been posted (pure fiction), there would be a lot more mutual respect.5
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sam3110 said:
Another one on here that just moans about everything.ValleyOfTears said:Charlton have a perennial shortage of goals problem. Soon-to-be superstar Troy Parrot goes to ... MK Dons on a season loan. I can't believe the player would CHOOSE MKD over CAFC so is this one Gallen et Al simply overlooked?
That's Ipswich, MK Dons, Sunderland, Rotherham and Wigan who will be scoring for fun this coming season. And Ipswich are STILL buying up all the quality. 10 new signings already. All quality. I hear people going on about our "exemplary physio set up" as though they are the ones playing next season!!
Inniss and a fit JFC aside, this current squad is way short of what it will take to "storm the league" as Tommy Standguard would say. Inniss and JFC should be the very least level each player should be playing at to be cafc regulars. Dobson and Clare I hope will prove me wrong. Famewo, Gunter and Matthews are able. And perhaps Stockley and Washington will miraculously turn into Hunt and Mendonca this coming season. But I think if I was in this squad in training at this point I wouldnt be thinking we are going to p*ss it this season..
Sure you're not Nick Gray/Vol au Vent Addick from the old 606 forums? You write awfully similarI
I'm sure I am neither of these. This is my first foray into Charlton forum. Also I wouldn't say my contributions are simply moaning. I am making an honest assessment of our current squad and illustrating what is needed. Constructive criticism is a bit of a departure from "moaning". I suppose if one has no view on anything then everything can appear to be moaning.0 -
Robson-Kanu, Johnnie Williams, David Nugent, Junior Hoylett & Sanogo are all available and clubless. At least one of them would be useful. Even grandpa Nugent would still bring goals...2
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Notwithstanding the fact that you’ve just got yourself wound up over a lad who scored 2 goals in 29 matches last season, to describe us as having a “perennial shortage of goals problem” is simply wide of the mark IMO. Our problems last season were at the other end of the pitch.ValleyOfTears said:sam3110 said:
Another one on here that just moans about everything.ValleyOfTears said:Charlton have a perennial shortage of goals problem. Soon-to-be superstar Troy Parrot goes to ... MK Dons on a season loan. I can't believe the player would CHOOSE MKD over CAFC so is this one Gallen et Al simply overlooked?
That's Ipswich, MK Dons, Sunderland, Rotherham and Wigan who will be scoring for fun this coming season. And Ipswich are STILL buying up all the quality. 10 new signings already. All quality. I hear people going on about our "exemplary physio set up" as though they are the ones playing next season!!
Inniss and a fit JFC aside, this current squad is way short of what it will take to "storm the league" as Tommy Standguard would say. Inniss and JFC should be the very least level each player should be playing at to be cafc regulars. Dobson and Clare I hope will prove me wrong. Famewo, Gunter and Matthews are able. And perhaps Stockley and Washington will miraculously turn into Hunt and Mendonca this coming season. But I think if I was in this squad in training at this point I wouldnt be thinking we are going to p*ss it this season..
Sure you're not Nick Gray/Vol au Vent Addick from the old 606 forums? You write awfully similarI
I'm sure I am neither of these. This is my first foray into Charlton forum. Also I wouldn't say my contributions are simply moaning. I am making an honest assessment of our current squad and illustrating what is needed. Constructive criticism is a bit of a departure from "moaning". I suppose if one has no view on anything then everything can appear to be moaning.
Johnny Williams isn’t the answer if you’re looking for goalscorer either.2 -
Enter ... Celtic's Leigh Griffith's! Getting into some problems off the pitch may see a fresh start south of the border...
Why ever not? If we can tempt Simonsen here then anything's possible! COYA!0 -
I think it is fair to say "perennial shortage of goals problem". We never score a lot. Aside from the SCP promotion year and the Hunt Mendonca year I can't recall us ever scoring enough goals in the last 40 years...Callumcafc said:
Notwithstanding the fact that you’ve just got yourself wound up over a lad who scored 2 goals in 29 matches last season, to describe us as having a “perennial shortage of goals problem” is simply wide of the mark IMO. Our problems last season were at the other end of the pitch.ValleyOfTears said:sam3110 said:
Another one on here that just moans about everything.ValleyOfTears said:Charlton have a perennial shortage of goals problem. Soon-to-be superstar Troy Parrot goes to ... MK Dons on a season loan. I can't believe the player would CHOOSE MKD over CAFC so is this one Gallen et Al simply overlooked?
That's Ipswich, MK Dons, Sunderland, Rotherham and Wigan who will be scoring for fun this coming season. And Ipswich are STILL buying up all the quality. 10 new signings already. All quality. I hear people going on about our "exemplary physio set up" as though they are the ones playing next season!!
Inniss and a fit JFC aside, this current squad is way short of what it will take to "storm the league" as Tommy Standguard would say. Inniss and JFC should be the very least level each player should be playing at to be cafc regulars. Dobson and Clare I hope will prove me wrong. Famewo, Gunter and Matthews are able. And perhaps Stockley and Washington will miraculously turn into Hunt and Mendonca this coming season. But I think if I was in this squad in training at this point I wouldnt be thinking we are going to p*ss it this season..
Sure you're not Nick Gray/Vol au Vent Addick from the old 606 forums? You write awfully similarI
I'm sure I am neither of these. This is my first foray into Charlton forum. Also I wouldn't say my contributions are simply moaning. I am making an honest assessment of our current squad and illustrating what is needed. Constructive criticism is a bit of a departure from "moaning". I suppose if one has no view on anything then everything can appear to be moaning.
Johnny Williams isn’t the answer if you’re looking for goalscorer either.2 -
The same nugent who has scored 3 goals in his last 40 games, including 2 in 16 in league 2. Davisson had a better league 2 record last seasonValleyOfTears said:Robson-Kanu, Johnnie Williams, David Nugent, Junior Hoylett & Sanogo are all available and clubless. At least one of them would be useful. Even grandpa Nugent would still bring goals...2 -
Grant/Taylor/ Igor got 40 goals between them. I know people will mention Magennis and Hull- who scored 80 goals- but you don’t tend to go up without goals in the squadValleyOfTears said:
I think it is fair to say "perennial shortage of goals problem". We never score a lot. Aside from the SCP promotion year and the Hunt Mendonca year I can't recall us ever scoring enough goals in the last 40 years...Callumcafc said:
Notwithstanding the fact that you’ve just got yourself wound up over a lad who scored 2 goals in 29 matches last season, to describe us as having a “perennial shortage of goals problem” is simply wide of the mark IMO. Our problems last season were at the other end of the pitch.ValleyOfTears said:sam3110 said:
Another one on here that just moans about everything.ValleyOfTears said:Charlton have a perennial shortage of goals problem. Soon-to-be superstar Troy Parrot goes to ... MK Dons on a season loan. I can't believe the player would CHOOSE MKD over CAFC so is this one Gallen et Al simply overlooked?
That's Ipswich, MK Dons, Sunderland, Rotherham and Wigan who will be scoring for fun this coming season. And Ipswich are STILL buying up all the quality. 10 new signings already. All quality. I hear people going on about our "exemplary physio set up" as though they are the ones playing next season!!
Inniss and a fit JFC aside, this current squad is way short of what it will take to "storm the league" as Tommy Standguard would say. Inniss and JFC should be the very least level each player should be playing at to be cafc regulars. Dobson and Clare I hope will prove me wrong. Famewo, Gunter and Matthews are able. And perhaps Stockley and Washington will miraculously turn into Hunt and Mendonca this coming season. But I think if I was in this squad in training at this point I wouldnt be thinking we are going to p*ss it this season..
Sure you're not Nick Gray/Vol au Vent Addick from the old 606 forums? You write awfully similarI
I'm sure I am neither of these. This is my first foray into Charlton forum. Also I wouldn't say my contributions are simply moaning. I am making an honest assessment of our current squad and illustrating what is needed. Constructive criticism is a bit of a departure from "moaning". I suppose if one has no view on anything then everything can appear to be moaning.
Johnny Williams isn’t the answer if you’re looking for goalscorer either.
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Personally I think we’re good for goals up top this season, Stockers and Washington will score 35/40 between them, surely? That’s only if we get creative wingers/midfielders in who can assist and also contribute with goals.I also think Davison, who looks a completely different player, will surprise a few this season, a bit like Grant, albeit a completely different type of striker.7
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They may well get 35-40 between them, but where's the rest of the goals coming from though?RedRobin said:Personally I think we’re good for goals up top this season, Stockers and Washington will score 35/40 between them, surely? That’s only if we get creative wingers/midfielders in who can assist and also contribute with goals.I also think Davison, who looks a completely different player, will surprise a few this season, a bit like Grant, albeit a completely different type of striker.
We lost Aneke (15 goals) and JFC (6 goals) is out for months. Apart from that i think our top scorer last season was Gilbey with 3.0 -
We certainly need more goals in the team. Our midfielders don’t chip in with enough - it really surprises me that with Jackson as a coach that none of the midfielders hardly ever take up the kind of positions he used to as a player - Bowyer was a goal scoring midfielder as well. Maybe Clare will step up. And you would expect the centre backs to at least 7 or 8 between them.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
They may well get 35-40 between them, but where's the rest of the goals coming from though?RedRobin said:Personally I think we’re good for goals up top this season, Stockers and Washington will score 35/40 between them, surely? That’s only if we get creative wingers/midfielders in who can assist and also contribute with goals.I also think Davison, who looks a completely different player, will surprise a few this season, a bit like Grant, albeit a completely different type of striker.
We lost Aneke (15 goals) and JFC (6 goals) is out for months. Apart from that i think our top scorer last season was Gilbey with 3.1 -
We’re mentioned as one of the clubs up against Pompey in the battle for free agents and Prem loans.
Why Danny Cowley believes patience could yet reap dividends for Portsmouth as they vie with Sunderland, Ipswich Town, Charlton Athletic, Sheffield Wednesday & Co for players
https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/football/portsmouth-fc/why-danny-cowley-believes-patience-could-yet-reap-dividends-for-portsmouth-as-they-vie-with-sunderland-ipswich-town-charlton-athletic-sheffield-wednesday-co-for-players-3329875
They’ve lost 16 players and have signed 8.He said: ‘The Championship is not moving. That’s the reality.
‘Well, actually the Premier League has not moved yet which can happen when there’s an international competition in the summer.
‘They are still on holiday so there’s a lot of young players in first-team squads right now who could eventually become available.‘We know the transfer window is a chain, and at the moment that chain is not moving as quickly as we would like.’
There was also Twitter post suggesting Cowley was unhappy with not being backed and would be resigning. Like the talk about Adkins it appears to be made up as it’s since been deleted.
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Yeah agreed, need goals coming from all areas of the pitch.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
They may well get 35-40 between them, but where's the rest of the goals coming from though?RedRobin said:Personally I think we’re good for goals up top this season, Stockers and Washington will score 35/40 between them, surely? That’s only if we get creative wingers/midfielders in who can assist and also contribute with goals.I also think Davison, who looks a completely different player, will surprise a few this season, a bit like Grant, albeit a completely different type of striker.
We lost Aneke (15 goals) and JFC (6 goals) is out for months. Apart from that i think our top scorer last season was Gilbey with 3.0 -
It says ‘competing with’ and then includes Ipswich in the list…Scoham said:We’re mentioned as one of the clubs up against Pompey in the battle for free agents and Prem loans.Why Danny Cowley believes patience could yet reap dividends for Portsmouth as they vie with Sunderland, Ipswich Town, Charlton Athletic, Sheffield Wednesday & Co for players
https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/football/portsmouth-fc/why-danny-cowley-believes-patience-could-yet-reap-dividends-for-portsmouth-as-they-vie-with-sunderland-ipswich-town-charlton-athletic-sheffield-wednesday-co-for-players-3329875
They’ve lost 16 players and have signed 8.He said: ‘The Championship is not moving. That’s the reality.
‘Well, actually the Premier League has not moved yet which can happen when there’s an international competition in the summer.
‘They are still on holiday so there’s a lot of young players in first-team squads right now who could eventually become available.‘We know the transfer window is a chain, and at the moment that chain is not moving as quickly as we would like.’
There was also Twitter post suggesting Cowley was unhappy with not being backed and would be resigning. Like the talk about Adkins it appears to be made up as it’s since been deleted.
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My train pulls into Ipswich for a changeover in ten minutes. Will let you all know if I see any Charlton targets disembarking if I can tear my eyes off the freight yard31
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You need goals in the team otherwise opponents know that if they stop one or two players, they stop you. That is why watching Morgan missing half chances annoys me. With his quality, he should be scoring some of them, not balooning them over the bar as he always seems to do. DJ looks like he will bag a few and Gilbey. I think Inniss may if he gets a run. I'm not yet convinced we have enough but am open to be.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
They may well get 35-40 between them, but where's the rest of the goals coming from though?RedRobin said:Personally I think we’re good for goals up top this season, Stockers and Washington will score 35/40 between them, surely? That’s only if we get creative wingers/midfielders in who can assist and also contribute with goals.I also think Davison, who looks a completely different player, will surprise a few this season, a bit like Grant, albeit a completely different type of striker.
We lost Aneke (15 goals) and JFC (6 goals) is out for months. Apart from that i think our top scorer last season was Gilbey with 3.
When my son was saying we should drop Sterling in the Euros, I kept saying to him. Never take goals out of the team unless you are replacing them with more goals. A player, even a centre half, who doesn't score has to be pretty bloody good.3 -
In 2011/12 Jacko got 12, Hollands 7 and Waggy 5ricky_otto said:
We certainly need more goals in the team. Our midfielders don’t chip in with enough - it really surprises me that with Jackson as a coach that none of the midfielders hardly ever take up the kind of positions he used to as a player - Bowyer was a goal scoring midfielder as well. Maybe Clare will step up. And you would expect the centre backs to at least 7 or 8 between them.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
They may well get 35-40 between them, but where's the rest of the goals coming from though?RedRobin said:Personally I think we’re good for goals up top this season, Stockers and Washington will score 35/40 between them, surely? That’s only if we get creative wingers/midfielders in who can assist and also contribute with goals.I also think Davison, who looks a completely different player, will surprise a few this season, a bit like Grant, albeit a completely different type of striker.
We lost Aneke (15 goals) and JFC (6 goals) is out for months. Apart from that i think our top scorer last season was Gilbey with 3.
We definitely need the likes of Morgan, Clare or Gilbey to get at least 5 goals each3 -
Also Dany N’guessan who chipped in with 4 goals in 7 games. Morrison got an impressive 5 as well.killerandflash said:
In 2011/12 Jacko got 12, Hollands 7 and Waggy 5ricky_otto said:
We certainly need more goals in the team. Our midfielders don’t chip in with enough - it really surprises me that with Jackson as a coach that none of the midfielders hardly ever take up the kind of positions he used to as a player - Bowyer was a goal scoring midfielder as well. Maybe Clare will step up. And you would expect the centre backs to at least 7 or 8 between them.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
They may well get 35-40 between them, but where's the rest of the goals coming from though?RedRobin said:Personally I think we’re good for goals up top this season, Stockers and Washington will score 35/40 between them, surely? That’s only if we get creative wingers/midfielders in who can assist and also contribute with goals.I also think Davison, who looks a completely different player, will surprise a few this season, a bit like Grant, albeit a completely different type of striker.
We lost Aneke (15 goals) and JFC (6 goals) is out for months. Apart from that i think our top scorer last season was Gilbey with 3.
We definitely need the likes of Morgan, Clare or Gilbey to get at least 5 goals each1 -
Not a bad return from N’Guessan!0
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This is why I struggle sometimes with the mega optimistic approach. There is no data, logic or reasoning behind it.RedRobin said:Personally I think we’re good for goals up top this season, Stockers and Washington will score 35/40 between them, surely? That’s only if we get creative wingers/midfielders in who can assist and also contribute with goals.I also think Davison, who looks a completely different player, will surprise a few this season, a bit like Grant, albeit a completely different type of striker.
A 40 goal strike partnership would be up there with the best in the division.
Neither Stockley or Washington have demonstrated that they can driver that kind of goal return at league one level. It isn’t about being negative or pessimistic - the logical reasoning is simply not there.7 -
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DamoNorthStand said:
This is why I struggle sometimes with the mega optimistic approach. There is no data, logic or reasoning behind it.RedRobin said:Personally I think we’re good for goals up top this season, Stockers and Washington will score 35/40 between them, surely? That’s only if we get creative wingers/midfielders in who can assist and also contribute with goals.I also think Davison, who looks a completely different player, will surprise a few this season, a bit like Grant, albeit a completely different type of striker.
A 40 goal strike partnership would be up there with the best in the division.
Neither Stockley or Washington have demonstrated that they can driver that kind of goal return at league one level. It isn’t about being negative or pessimistic - the logical reasoning is simply not there.
Josh Magennis scoring 18 in the league last season shows you don’t need brilliant strikers at this level if you have a strong team and the right service. Still need signings to get us there of course.
Stockley scored 8 in 22 for us, if he can do that across a whole season and we have a better team 15-20 isn’t unrealistic.
I’m not so convinced about Washington, especially as he’d be playing on the left, I see him more as a player who can get into double figures.
We then need the likes of Gilbey, DJ, Morgan and Clare to score a good amount between them. Adding another attacking player to the squad will also help, maybe two.
I’m hoping we see an improved midfield which results in fewer chances for the opposition and us pressing higher up the pitch, forcing more errors and therefore creating more chances. It might or might not happen, but it was never going be our style with Watson and/or Pratley in the team so often.2 -
Washington and Stockley may well get 40 goals between them BUT that's if they stay fit for the entire season, the issue is strength in depth, Washington does his ACL in the 3rd game of the season then our out and out forward line up is Stockley, Davisson Schwartz* until January.
Davisson may well be a revelation this season, he may not.
Schwartz is playing catch up as his preseason so far has been "running around a bit" and to date, just hasn't done it for whatever reason.
We need another forward, proven or highly rated prem loanee, we just need another option and depth.1 -
I think we have quite a lot of goals in the team before the additional strengthening that we will see (no matter when before the window closes). Below are the 2011-2012 top scorers
Unless we sign an out and out goal getter, like BWP, I don’t think we will have a 20+ scorer, but can see the following happen:
Stockley 16
Washington 12
Davidson 8
Clare 6
DJ 6
Gilbey 6
Morgan 4
JFC 4
Inniss 4
Famewo 2
Purrington 2
Clayden/Ghandour 2
If further loans/signings can chip in with 10-15 between them and perhaps Schwartz will stay and contribute, I do not think we will be far off on equalling the league goal scoring of 2011-12. I actually think I have undercooked DJ and Morgan’s predictions/contributions above, I fancy both to light up this season and I also think we will be much tighter at the back this year.
I thought some of MacGillivray’s shot stopping (albeit in training) yesterday was the best I have seen in a few good years. He looks like a proper Kiely type keeper, brilliant close range shot stopper. Much will depend on Inniss and Famewo’s availability throughout the season 🤕
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Crickey, even Leuths going to Ipswich!Leuth said:My train pulls into Ipswich for a changeover in ten minutes. Will let you all know if I see any Charlton targets disembarking if I can tear my eyes off the freight yard19 -
10k a week I heardMendonca In Asdas said:
Crickey, even Leuths going to Ipswich!Leuth said:My train pulls into Ipswich for a changeover in ten minutes. Will let you all know if I see any Charlton targets disembarking if I can tear my eyes off the freight yard21 -
Fraser in midfield was too much to resist!Mendonca In Asdas said:
Crickey, even Leuths going to Ipswich!Leuth said:My train pulls into Ipswich for a changeover in ten minutes. Will let you all know if I see any Charlton targets disembarking if I can tear my eyes off the freight yard2 -
Stockley, Washington and DJ can get 40 between them imo, as long as they start most games. The problems lie after that, I don't see Famewo scoring much or Innis playing enough, don't see Dobson or Morgan getting 10 between them, Clare has the potential to get 10 on his own I suppose. The key to promotion this season will be clean sheets. If I had to guess I would say we will score somewhere between 60-70 goals, it will be enough if we are a solid team at the back.
Edit: enough for plays offs that is, if we want top2 we obviously need to strengthen0
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