Personally I think we’re good for goals up top this season, Stockers and Washington will score 35/40 between them, surely? That’s only if we get creative wingers/midfielders in who can assist and also contribute with goals.
I also think Davison, who looks a completely different player, will surprise a few this season, a bit like Grant, albeit a completely different type of striker.
This is why I struggle sometimes with the mega optimistic approach. There is no data, logic or reasoning behind it.
A 40 goal strike partnership would be up there with the best in the division.
Neither Stockley or Washington have demonstrated that they can driver that kind of goal return at league one level. It isn’t about being negative or pessimistic - the logical reasoning is simply not there.
Josh Magennis scoring 18 in the league last season shows you don’t need brilliant strikers at this level if you have a strong team and the right service. Still need signings to get us there of course.
Stockley scored 8 in 22 for us, if he can do that across a whole season and we have a better team 15-20 isn’t unrealistic.
I’m not so convinced about Washington, especially as he’d be playing on the left, I see him more as a player who can get into double figures.
We then need the likes of Gilbey, DJ, Morgan and Clare to score a good amount between them. Adding another attacking player to the squad will also help, maybe two.
I’m hoping we see an improved midfield which results in fewer chances for the opposition and us pressing higher up the pitch, forcing more errors and therefore creating more chances. It might or might not happen, but it was never going be our style with Watson and/or Pratley in the team so often.
Washington and Stockley may well get 40 goals between them BUT that's if they stay fit for the entire season, the issue is strength in depth, Washington does his ACL in the 3rd game of the season then our out and out forward line up is Stockley, Davisson Schwartz* until January.
Davisson may well be a revelation this season, he may not.
Schwartz is playing catch up as his preseason so far has been "running around a bit" and to date, just hasn't done it for whatever reason.
We need another forward, proven or highly rated prem loanee, we just need another option and depth.
I think we have quite a lot of goals in the team before the additional strengthening that we will see (no matter when before the window closes). Below are the 2011-2012 top scorers
Unless we sign an out and out goal getter, like BWP, I don’t think we will have a 20+ scorer, but can see the following happen:
Stockley 16 Washington 12 Davidson 8 Clare 6 DJ 6 Gilbey 6 Morgan 4 JFC 4 Inniss 4 Famewo 2 Purrington 2 Clayden/Ghandour 2
If further loans/signings can chip in with 10-15 between them and perhaps Schwartz will stay and contribute, I do not think we will be far off on equalling the league goal scoring of 2011-12. I actually think I have undercooked DJ and Morgan’s predictions/contributions above, I fancy both to light up this season and I also think we will be much tighter at the back this year.
I thought some of MacGillivray’s shot stopping (albeit in training) yesterday was the best I have seen in a few good years. He looks like a proper Kiely type keeper, brilliant close range shot stopper. Much will depend on Inniss and Famewo’s availability throughout the season 🤕
My train pulls into Ipswich for a changeover in ten minutes. Will let you all know if I see any Charlton targets disembarking if I can tear my eyes off the freight yard
My train pulls into Ipswich for a changeover in ten minutes. Will let you all know if I see any Charlton targets disembarking if I can tear my eyes off the freight yard
My train pulls into Ipswich for a changeover in ten minutes. Will let you all know if I see any Charlton targets disembarking if I can tear my eyes off the freight yard
Stockley, Washington and DJ can get 40 between them imo, as long as they start most games. The problems lie after that, I don't see Famewo scoring much or Innis playing enough, don't see Dobson or Morgan getting 10 between them, Clare has the potential to get 10 on his own I suppose. The key to promotion this season will be clean sheets. If I had to guess I would say we will score somewhere between 60-70 goals, it will be enough if we are a solid team at the back.
Edit: enough for plays offs that is, if we want top2 we obviously need to strengthen
Where on earth are people getting these numbers from? 40 between Stockley & Washington means Washington getting 15-20. He’s never got 15 goals in a season playing through the middle, so not sure why some think he’d get that many playing from the left.
But I find these discussions about who will score the goals quite fascinating about the different permutations people come up with. I would think we will score something like 65-75 goals next season. Its the goals against we need to massively improve if we get that down to 40-45 we will be in with a shout.
Where on earth are people getting these numbers from? 40 between Stockley & Washington means Washington getting 15-20. He’s never got 15 goals in a season playing through the middle, so not sure why some think he’d get that many playing from the left.
Probably being drawn from the well of wishful thinking. Sometimes the whole chemistry works, but it often doesn't. I can see where goals could come from from us. If we keep Inniss fit, that changes the set piece dynamic greatly. I do see it as being a pivotal season for Morgan and it feels like now or never for him. If it is never, that could well be promotion ruled out for next season as it stands. So far, you are a signed up member of the Rose Tinted Club if you can't see that there are massive IFs though.
But I find these discussions about who will score the goals quite fascinating about the different permutations people come up with. I would think we will score something like 65-75 goals next season. Its the goals against we need to massively improve if we get that down to 40-45 we will be in with a shout.
If we can manage to score more than the other side in 46 individual league matches then I fancy our chances.
But I find these discussions about who will score the goals quite fascinating about the different permutations people come up with. I would think we will score something like 65-75 goals next season. Its the goals against we need to massively improve if we get that down to 40-45 we will be in with a shout.
If we can manage to score more than the other side in 46 individual league matches then I fancy our chances.
But I find these discussions about who will score the goals quite fascinating about the different permutations people come up with. I would think we will score something like 65-75 goals next season. Its the goals against we need to massively improve if we get that down to 40-45 we will be in with a shout.
If we can manage to score more than the other side in 46 individual league matches then I fancy our chances.
Stockley, Washington and DJ can get 40 between them imo, as long as they start most games. The problems lie after that, I don't see Famewo scoring much or Innis playing enough, don't see Dobson or Morgan getting 10 between them, Clare has the potential to get 10 on his own I suppose. The key to promotion this season will be clean sheets. If I had to guess I would say we will score somewhere between 60-70 goals, it will be enough if we are a solid team at the back.
Edit: enough for plays offs that is, if we want top2 we obviously need to strengthen
Clare has never scored more than 4 league goals in a season. Blimey - even DJ will need to double his best output up to now to hit 10.
The stats don’t lie. Either we will need to make some huge moves (by league one standard) between now and deadline. Or what we have will IMO turn out to be a bog standard league one team. Bearing in mind it’s a much stronger division this year.
Where on earth are people getting these numbers from? 40 between Stockley & Washington means Washington getting 15-20. He’s never got 15 goals in a season playing through the middle, so not sure why some think he’d get that many playing from the left.
Scored 11 last season and was out injured for a while. It's not inconceivable to think he could get 15 if he stays fit.
Stockley, Washington and DJ can get 40 between them imo, as long as they start most games. The problems lie after that, I don't see Famewo scoring much or Innis playing enough, don't see Dobson or Morgan getting 10 between them, Clare has the potential to get 10 on his own I suppose. The key to promotion this season will be clean sheets. If I had to guess I would say we will score somewhere between 60-70 goals, it will be enough if we are a solid team at the back.
Edit: enough for plays offs that is, if we want top2 we obviously need to strengthen
Clare has never scored more than 4 league goals in a season. Blimey - even DJ will need to double his best output up to now to hit 10.
The stats don’t lie. Either we will need to make some huge moves (by league one standard) between now and deadline. Or what we have will IMO turn out to be a bog standard league one team. Bearing in mind it’s a much stronger division this year.
Clare’s never started regularly in a 46 game season, if he manages that you’d hope he’d improve on 3/4 league goals at Hearts assuming he spends most of his time playing as the most advanced CM. He only started 26 and 28 league games at Hearts.
Stockley, Washington and DJ can get 40 between them imo, as long as they start most games. The problems lie after that, I don't see Famewo scoring much or Innis playing enough, don't see Dobson or Morgan getting 10 between them, Clare has the potential to get 10 on his own I suppose. The key to promotion this season will be clean sheets. If I had to guess I would say we will score somewhere between 60-70 goals, it will be enough if we are a solid team at the back.
Edit: enough for plays offs that is, if we want top2 we obviously need to strengthen
Clare has never scored more than 4 league goals in a season. Blimey - even DJ will need to double his best output up to now to hit 10.
The stats don’t lie. Either we will need to make some huge moves (by league one standard) between now and deadline. Or what we have will IMO turn out to be a bog standard league one team. Bearing in mind it’s a much stronger division this year.
I know but Clare looks like he could be that player to me if he consistently gets further forward, I'm just saying it's potential is all, more so than Albie and Dobson. As for DJ I am expecting a big season from him, looks settled and bigger, reckon he will get 10 goals minimum this season, if I'm wrong I'm wrong just a guess.
I don't agree it's a much stronger division, early favourites look like Ipswich, they won't be as good as Peterborough or Hull I don't think. All speculation right now. I think play offs beckon, if we made the right signings we would take this league for a walk with Adkins
Stockley, Washington and DJ can get 40 between them imo, as long as they start most games. The problems lie after that, I don't see Famewo scoring much or Innis playing enough, don't see Dobson or Morgan getting 10 between them, Clare has the potential to get 10 on his own I suppose. The key to promotion this season will be clean sheets. If I had to guess I would say we will score somewhere between 60-70 goals, it will be enough if we are a solid team at the back.
Edit: enough for plays offs that is, if we want top2 we obviously need to strengthen
Clare has never scored more than 4 league goals in a season. Blimey - even DJ will need to double his best output up to now to hit 10.
The stats don’t lie. Either we will need to make some huge moves (by league one standard) between now and deadline. Or what we have will IMO turn out to be a bog standard league one team. Bearing in mind it’s a much stronger division this year.
Scored 4 in a rubbish Swindon side in half a season last year before moving to us. In a better side that create more (we hope), there's every chance he could get 10 in a full season.
Players improve and decline, some find the right or wrong manager, team and tactics for them. New goalscorers emerge. DJ is also only 23, he’s one I’d expect to improve with us and if he starts regularly and we get the signings we need he has a great chance of getting into double figures for goals or assists.
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Josh Magennis scoring 18 in the league last season shows you don’t need brilliant strikers at this level if you have a strong team and the right service. Still need signings to get us there of course.
Stockley scored 8 in 22 for us, if he can do that across a whole season and we have a better team 15-20 isn’t unrealistic.
I’m not so convinced about Washington, especially as he’d be playing on the left, I see him more as a player who can get into double figures.
We then need the likes of Gilbey, DJ, Morgan and Clare to score a good amount between them. Adding another attacking player to the squad will also help, maybe two.
I’m hoping we see an improved midfield which results in fewer chances for the opposition and us pressing higher up the pitch, forcing more errors and therefore creating more chances. It might or might not happen, but it was never going be our style with Watson and/or Pratley in the team so often.
Davisson may well be a revelation this season, he may not.
Schwartz is playing catch up as his preseason so far has been "running around a bit" and to date, just hasn't done it for whatever reason.
We need another forward, proven or highly rated prem loanee, we just need another option and depth.
Stockley 16
Washington 12
Davidson 8
Clare 6
DJ 6
Gilbey 6
Morgan 4
JFC 4
Inniss 4
Famewo 2
Purrington 2
Clayden/Ghandour 2
If further loans/signings can chip in with 10-15 between them and perhaps Schwartz will stay and contribute, I do not think we will be far off on equalling the league goal scoring of 2011-12. I actually think I have undercooked DJ and Morgan’s predictions/contributions above, I fancy both to light up this season and I also think we will be much tighter at the back this year.
I thought some of MacGillivray’s shot stopping (albeit in training) yesterday was the best I have seen in a few good years. He looks like a proper Kiely type keeper, brilliant close range shot stopper. Much will depend on Inniss and Famewo’s availability throughout the season 🤕
Edit: enough for plays offs that is, if we want top2 we obviously need to strengthen
But I find these discussions about who will score the goals quite fascinating about the different permutations people come up with. I would think we will score something like 65-75 goals next season. Its the goals against we need to massively improve if we get that down to 40-45 we will be in with a shout.
The stats don’t lie. Either we will need to make some huge moves (by league one standard) between now and deadline. Or what we have will IMO turn out to be a bog standard league one team. Bearing in mind it’s a much stronger division this year.
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I don't agree it's a much stronger division, early favourites look like Ipswich, they won't be as good as Peterborough or Hull I don't think. All speculation right now. I think play offs beckon, if we made the right signings we would take this league for a walk with Adkins