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I assumed the “people are idiots” comment was directly in relation to Brexit!BR7_addick said:
I literally posted two massive daily Mail headlines and stated “people are idiots”Addickted said:But you've not mentioned panic buying, just Brexit
About two pages ago for all to see so wrong again.0 -
Currently waiting for a bus at the top of forest hill down to Sydenham to go to my dad’s who will then drive us to the game. I went out about an hour ago as we are pretty much on empty. It’s pretty bad round this way for traffic, and the Shell I drove past at the top of Crystal Palace park was out.
I didn’t have time to sit in any queues as I want to get to the game, but haven’t seen a sight of a bus yet. All a bit inconvenient, but when you see panic buying, do these people not think of the knock on effect for emergency vehicles, public transport etc. I can’t get my head around it. I don’t think I could stomach the embarrassment of being that type of person that’s gone out and filled up cans etc. No shame7 -
I’d get ready to duck if I were you..se9addick said:
I assumed the “people are idiots” comment was directly in relation to Brexit!BR7_addick said:
I literally posted two massive daily Mail headlines and stated “people are idiots”Addickted said:But you've not mentioned panic buying, just Brexit
About two pages ago for all to see so wrong again.0 -
Expecting pelters from people when I eventually fill my vehicle up, last time was 2 weeks ago, will also need to fill a couple of cans to fill up for my gardening business
for the power tools, just know I will get grief from someone.0 -
You need to get one of those token things for the key ring, saves all that malarky. Plenty on Amazon.McBobbin said:First world problems abound... Couldnt get into my usual Tesco because of blocked by cars, so went to the one in town. Had those trolleys that took a pound. Did I have a pound? No. Did any of the tills in the shop have a pound? Yes! The fourth one I had to queue up for. So glad I was wearing a mask so I could mouth death threats at every person in the shop
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For £2.50Raith_C_Chattonell said:
You need to get one of those token things for the key ring, saves all that malarky. Plenty on Amazon.McBobbin said:First world problems abound... Couldnt get into my usual Tesco because of blocked by cars, so went to the one in town. Had those trolleys that took a pound. Did I have a pound? No. Did any of the tills in the shop have a pound? Yes! The fourth one I had to queue up for. So glad I was wearing a mask so I could mouth death threats at every person in the shop
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Everyone knows that not all the people that voted Brexit were idiots, but show me an idiot that didn't. I'm still wondering where the £350million a weeks gone ?se9addick said:
I assumed the “people are idiots” comment was directly in relation to Brexit!BR7_addick said:
I literally posted two massive daily Mail headlines and stated “people are idiots”Addickted said:But you've not mentioned panic buying, just Brexit
About two pages ago for all to see so wrong again.3 -
According to the BBC the government will set out tomorrow details of a temporary visa scheme for non UK lorry drivers. It will be limited in time, I have no idea what kind of hurdles or checks will be needed for those drivers.
I believe it will be an extra expense for someone or other, and will be needed after 1st October when the present system stops as a result of the UK leaving the EU.
The oven ready system we hear about tomorrow will be interesting to scrutinise.2 -
Don’t agree that it’s a faff to get a passport nor need be time consuming. Indeed the relative cost is not high either if it’s your investment to secure a job and to get a job that is better paid than elsewhere in Europe (as I assume that’s what will attract drivers to return). The change on entry requirements will not have been unknown to impacted stakeholders.seth plum said:
It would be a barrier to for example non UK HGV drivers who currently enter the UK with ID that is not a passport.valleynick66 said:
So to be clear imagine and think.seth plum said:
I imagine thousands do currently. They won’t be allowed to after 1st October though.valleynick66 said:
Why? Don’t they hold passports then? How many people currently travel into the UK with only national identity cards and not a passport ?seth plum said:From the 1st October those travelling in to the UK will no longer be allowed to use EU, EEA, or Swiss national identity cards when entering the UK. They must hold full passports, including presumably non UK truck drivers.
That is another barrier to a solution to the transportation crisis in the UK.
I wonder why.
I would also think that many currently using non passport ID’s don’t have a current passport.That doesn’t really equate to another barrier and “I wonder why” I would suggest.If it emerges as a barrier it’s surely quickly resolved by those people getting a passport ?
It happens in six days.
I agree it can be resolved if they all used a passport, but the time it takes them to get one, plus the expense equates to a barrier. But quickly?
Perhaps non UK HGV drivers don’t want to go to all that kind of faff, especially as is reported there is plenty of work available to them on the continent.
For the drivers to have to include that decision or action in the equation of their working life, when they didn’t have to before, is an extra barrier, and it is because of ….. (sorry I am not allowed to say Brexit am I?).Pure conjecture with no evidence to suggest it’s a meaningful barrier.It’s just a scheduled change to entry requirements.Quite plausible that many will already hold passports anyway for leisure purposes otherwise visiting the UK or other destinations outside Europe.My point is you presented it almost as a confirmed barrier when you seemingly have no data to support that.0 -
Now this, should be on the Brexit thread.lonman said:
Everyone knows that not all the people that voted Brexit were idiots, but show me an idiot that didn't. I'm still wondering where the £350million a weeks gone ?se9addick said:
I assumed the “people are idiots” comment was directly in relation to Brexit!BR7_addick said:
I literally posted two massive daily Mail headlines and stated “people are idiots”Addickted said:But you've not mentioned panic buying, just Brexit
About two pages ago for all to see so wrong again.3 -
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There's something wrong though where farmers (in this case) rely on foreign workers to do these jobs, and why we can't get British people to do them, whether it's wages or the educational/vocational training system where instead of training our own youngsters to do essential jobs, we've relied on getting already trained people in from abroadShootersHillGuru said:Anyone want to have a dig at the Turkey farmer who says his business is stuffed (see what I did there ?) because he can’t get pluckers, packers, slaughter men and get his produce transported and blames 100% Brexit. What would he know about Turkey farming I wonder. Not much I suppose because he’s never been a Turkey perhaps ?
I've always thought it was morally dubious to import already trained nurses and doctors from poorer countries also
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Come on mate, if you want to be a twat just go on the HoC. There's literally dozens of people there dying to meet you.lonman said:
Everyone knows that not all the people that voted Brexit were idiots, but show me an idiot that didn't. I'm still wondering where the £350million a weeks gone ?se9addick said:
I assumed the “people are idiots” comment was directly in relation to Brexit!BR7_addick said:
I literally posted two massive daily Mail headlines and stated “people are idiots”Addickted said:But you've not mentioned panic buying, just Brexit
About two pages ago for all to see so wrong again.
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I was thinking about that earlier. A charitable mind would maybe think that they have either run out of fuel (if on foot) or driving it to someone who has (if in a car). I bet that loads of cars have run out of petrol just trying to find fuel!cabbles said:Currently waiting for a bus at the top of forest hill down to Sydenham to go to my dad’s who will then drive us to the game. I went out about an hour ago as we are pretty much on empty. It’s pretty bad round this way for traffic, and the Shell I drove past at the top of Crystal Palace park was out.
I didn’t have time to sit in any queues as I want to get to the game, but haven’t seen a sight of a bus yet. All a bit inconvenient, but when you see panic buying, do these people not think of the knock on effect for emergency vehicles, public transport etc. I can’t get my head around it. I don’t think I could stomach the embarrassment of being that type of person that’s gone out and filled up cans etc. No shame
I bet loads of those people aren't doing it for those reasons though!0 -
Bremoaners chirping up...
Wonder why there is a lack of home grown HGV drivers?0 -
Not at all, it’s what you need nothing wrong with that.cblock said:Expecting pelters from people when I eventually fill my vehicle up, last time was 2 weeks ago, will also need to fill a couple of cans to fill up for my gardening business
for the power tools, just know I will get grief from someone.
I guess with this in mind we should probably hold judgment on those being snapped filing up things other than cars cos we don’t know what they need it for in reality.2 -
Can't we plaster them all over social media first and ask questions later?BR7_addick said:
Not at all, it’s what you need nothing wrong with that.cblock said:Expecting pelters from people when I eventually fill my vehicle up, last time was 2 weeks ago, will also need to fill a couple of cans to fill up for my gardening business
for the power tools, just know I will get grief from someone.
I guess with this in mind we should probably hold judgment on those being snapped filing up things other than cars cos we don’t know what they need it for in reality. 3 -
As soon as someone posts an opinion you don't like just demand evidence and data. You can then happily challenge the value of each bit of evidence and the interpretation of the data until the cows come home. Classic social media bullshittery.3
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Nothing like a good old fashioned witch hunt on a modern platform 🧙♀️Huskaris said:
Can't we plaster them all over social media first and ask questions later?BR7_addick said:
Not at all, it’s what you need nothing wrong with that.cblock said:Expecting pelters from people when I eventually fill my vehicle up, last time was 2 weeks ago, will also need to fill a couple of cans to fill up for my gardening business
for the power tools, just know I will get grief from someone.
I guess with this in mind we should probably hold judgment on those being snapped filing up things other than cars cos we don’t know what they need it for in reality.1 -
So sad that a website that was (allegedly) set up for rating the attractiveness of women could become so toxic.BR7_addick said:
Nothing like a good old fashioned witch hunt on a modern platform 🧙♀️Huskaris said:
Can't we plaster them all over social media first and ask questions later?BR7_addick said:
Not at all, it’s what you need nothing wrong with that.cblock said:Expecting pelters from people when I eventually fill my vehicle up, last time was 2 weeks ago, will also need to fill a couple of cans to fill up for my gardening business
for the power tools, just know I will get grief from someone.
I guess with this in mind we should probably hold judgment on those being snapped filing up things other than cars cos we don’t know what they need it for in reality.2 -
WTF is a Bremoaner? Is it the same as a Remoaner or is it a new twist? Someone who is moaning about apparent backsliding towards freedom of movement?soapy_jones said:Bremoaners chirping up...
Wonder why there is a lack of home grown HGV drivers?0 -
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Shouldn't it be called house of twats if that is the criteria?Huskaris said:
Come on mate, if you want to be a twat just go on the HoC. There's literally dozens of people there dying to meet you.lonman said:
Everyone knows that not all the people that voted Brexit were idiots, but show me an idiot that didn't. I'm still wondering where the £350million a weeks gone ?se9addick said:
I assumed the “people are idiots” comment was directly in relation to Brexit!BR7_addick said:
I literally posted two massive daily Mail headlines and stated “people are idiots”Addickted said:But you've not mentioned panic buying, just Brexit
About two pages ago for all to see so wrong again.2 -
Any advice for getting to The Valley this afternoon, I.e local snarl ups to swerve? Coming from North of river so main decision is Dartford or Blackwall.0
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Yes it is an extra barrier that wasn’t there before. I understand you probably don’t see it as a big deal nevertheless it is a barrier.valleynick66 said:
Don’t agree that it’s a faff to get a passport nor need be time consuming. Indeed the relative cost is not high either if it’s your investment to secure a job and to get a job that is better paid than elsewhere in Europe (as I assume that’s what will attract drivers to return). The change on entry requirements will not have been unknown to impacted stakeholders.seth plum said:
It would be a barrier to for example non UK HGV drivers who currently enter the UK with ID that is not a passport.valleynick66 said:
So to be clear imagine and think.seth plum said:
I imagine thousands do currently. They won’t be allowed to after 1st October though.valleynick66 said:
Why? Don’t they hold passports then? How many people currently travel into the UK with only national identity cards and not a passport ?seth plum said:From the 1st October those travelling in to the UK will no longer be allowed to use EU, EEA, or Swiss national identity cards when entering the UK. They must hold full passports, including presumably non UK truck drivers.
That is another barrier to a solution to the transportation crisis in the UK.
I wonder why.
I would also think that many currently using non passport ID’s don’t have a current passport.That doesn’t really equate to another barrier and “I wonder why” I would suggest.If it emerges as a barrier it’s surely quickly resolved by those people getting a passport ?
It happens in six days.
I agree it can be resolved if they all used a passport, but the time it takes them to get one, plus the expense equates to a barrier. But quickly?
Perhaps non UK HGV drivers don’t want to go to all that kind of faff, especially as is reported there is plenty of work available to them on the continent.
For the drivers to have to include that decision or action in the equation of their working life, when they didn’t have to before, is an extra barrier, and it is because of ….. (sorry I am not allowed to say Brexit am I?).Pure conjecture with no evidence to suggest it’s a meaningful barrier.It’s just a scheduled change to entry requirements.Quite plausible that many will already hold passports anyway for leisure purposes otherwise visiting the UK or other destinations outside Europe.My point is you presented it almost as a confirmed barrier when you seemingly have no data to support that.
It is also meaningful if it is now a passport when it was ID before, if it means nothing why change?0 -
Bad news, I'm afraid. I'm hearing that most roads are running pretty smoothly and there aren't too many snarl ups. Seems like you'll make the game.Stig said:Any advice for getting to The Valley this afternoon, I.e local snarl ups to swerve? Coming from North of river so main decision is Dartford or Blackwall.14 -
Try and avoid smaller roads with petrol stations on them (that are open). You end up sitting in a queue with the people trying to get petrol. If coming off at Blackwall you might have problems by BP on Woolwich Road I would imagine.Stig said:Any advice for getting to The Valley this afternoon, I.e local snarl ups to swerve? Coming from North of river so main decision is Dartford or Blackwall.3 -
Thanks Chizz & Huskaris. Just seen Clive has thoughtfully started a separate thread for that: https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/92528/travelling-to-the-valley-today-25-9-21#latest0
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It’s also the mindlessness. We wouldn’t be as much in this situation if people just gave it some thought. It’s a total domino effectHuskaris said:
I was thinking about that earlier. A charitable mind would maybe think that they have either run out of fuel (if on foot) or driving it to someone who has (if in a car). I bet that loads of cars have run out of petrol just trying to find fuel!cabbles said:Currently waiting for a bus at the top of forest hill down to Sydenham to go to my dad’s who will then drive us to the game. I went out about an hour ago as we are pretty much on empty. It’s pretty bad round this way for traffic, and the Shell I drove past at the top of Crystal Palace park was out.
I didn’t have time to sit in any queues as I want to get to the game, but haven’t seen a sight of a bus yet. All a bit inconvenient, but when you see panic buying, do these people not think of the knock on effect for emergency vehicles, public transport etc. I can’t get my head around it. I don’t think I could stomach the embarrassment of being that type of person that’s gone out and filled up cans etc. No shame
I bet loads of those people aren't doing it for those reasons though!2 -
Your heart sinks whenever you see this sort of thing.
It confirms what you always knew deep down but try to ignore... the majority of the population are braindead/thick as pig shit.11 -
I don’t recall saying it means nothing I.e reverting to passports I just suggest need not be a barrier to taking a driving job.seth plum said:
Yes it is an extra barrier that wasn’t there before. I understand you probably don’t see it as a big deal nevertheless it is a barrier.valleynick66 said:
Don’t agree that it’s a faff to get a passport nor need be time consuming. Indeed the relative cost is not high either if it’s your investment to secure a job and to get a job that is better paid than elsewhere in Europe (as I assume that’s what will attract drivers to return). The change on entry requirements will not have been unknown to impacted stakeholders.seth plum said:
It would be a barrier to for example non UK HGV drivers who currently enter the UK with ID that is not a passport.valleynick66 said:
So to be clear imagine and think.seth plum said:
I imagine thousands do currently. They won’t be allowed to after 1st October though.valleynick66 said:
Why? Don’t they hold passports then? How many people currently travel into the UK with only national identity cards and not a passport ?seth plum said:From the 1st October those travelling in to the UK will no longer be allowed to use EU, EEA, or Swiss national identity cards when entering the UK. They must hold full passports, including presumably non UK truck drivers.
That is another barrier to a solution to the transportation crisis in the UK.
I wonder why.
I would also think that many currently using non passport ID’s don’t have a current passport.That doesn’t really equate to another barrier and “I wonder why” I would suggest.If it emerges as a barrier it’s surely quickly resolved by those people getting a passport ?
It happens in six days.
I agree it can be resolved if they all used a passport, but the time it takes them to get one, plus the expense equates to a barrier. But quickly?
Perhaps non UK HGV drivers don’t want to go to all that kind of faff, especially as is reported there is plenty of work available to them on the continent.
For the drivers to have to include that decision or action in the equation of their working life, when they didn’t have to before, is an extra barrier, and it is because of ….. (sorry I am not allowed to say Brexit am I?).Pure conjecture with no evidence to suggest it’s a meaningful barrier.It’s just a scheduled change to entry requirements.Quite plausible that many will already hold passports anyway for leisure purposes otherwise visiting the UK or other destinations outside Europe.My point is you presented it almost as a confirmed barrier when you seemingly have no data to support that.
It is also meaningful if it is now a passport when it was ID before, if it means nothing why change?Are you still suggesting it’s a meaningful barrier that is going to further exacerbate this petrol distribution issue ?
I just don’t see it as of that magnitude. That is my point.Agree to disagree I suggest.0 -
Shit Money, Poor Working Conditions and dreams / hallucinations amongst the youth to become Football Stars, Rappers or Instagram Influencers.soapy_jones said:Bremoaners chirping up...
Wonder why there is a lack of home grown HGV drivers?
Increase the pay, then see the next thread that's setup on CharltonLife called something along the lines of "Rip Off Britain" When all the bedwetters with no cash start crying because petrols too expensive and a pint of milk costs £2.50.
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