The United Road Transport Union is out there for the guys who drive HGV vehicles for a living, if they wish to join and organise together for better pay and conditions. It costs £16.22 per month for the most comprehensively qualified drivers. One aim might be to have appropriate compensation for fallow involuntary lay over periods (akin to paying visiting care workers for their time and travel between jobs) and another aim could be to secure proper toilet and washing/shower facilities at truck stop sites.
Shame, as their aims are;
It is our intention to improve pay and working conditions throughout the industry.
We want recognition of the vital contribution that the road transport industry and professional drivers in particular, make to the nation's economy.
We want to ensure all those who employ road haulage, distribution and logistics workers understand their responsibility to provide a safe and healthy working environment.
We want equality of opportunity for both existing workers and those seeking to join the road haulage, distribution and logistics industry regardless of age, colour, gender, sexual orientation, religion or creed.
We want to ensure, as far as is practicable, that appropriate opportunities exist in the road haulage, distribution and logistics industry for those who experience any form of disability.
Why a shame? They read like good aims.
Because your proposals were "One aim might be to have appropriate compensation for fallow involuntary lay over periods (akin to paying visiting care workers for their time and travel between jobs) and another aim could be to secure proper toilet and washing/shower facilities at truck stop sites", which are not even mentioned by this Trades Union.
Really? The first aim you quoted was to improve pay and working conditions. Two of the things I specifically mentioned.
Is there a relationship between drivers wanting full tanks and range anxiety for electric vehicle drivers, and even the desire to always have phones and tablets charged up?
Saw a EV driver pointing and laughing at those in the queue this morning.
Does anyone know if this is a Europe-wide problem, like the shortage of HGV drivers? We haven't seen petrol shortages or panic buying here yet but wondered if it could be on its way. Haven't read all the way through the thread but what are the factors causing this in the UK?
@CharltonMadrid there are no petrol shortages. We have plenty.
If there are problems getting petrol to petrol stations then there is a shortage to the end users. Just because the refineries and depots are full it doesn’t mean people can be sanguine.
Is there a relationship between drivers wanting full tanks and range anxiety for electric vehicle drivers, and even the desire to always have phones and tablets charged up?
Saw a EV driver pointing and laughing at those in the queue this morning.
As he drove off in his £100k Tesla company car.
£30k Nissan Leaf
And he was the one laughing?
160 mile range - if he's careful. I'll give him a wave on my way to Fleetwood next Saturday.
Or people can discuss here the troubles of finding a petrol station where they fill up
And if they want to get political they can go to the HoC and discuss on the relevant thread there?
Imagine a good number of people dont want to see threads turning political, because we've seen over countless other threads that posters on here just cant remain respectful and it'll just turn into a giant slagging match.
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Because of the queue at a petrol station on Plumstead High Street they’re having to divert buses up to the common to get through to their destinations.
Who said there wouldn’t be Brexit chaos?
What road are they going up? Riverdale or Purrett neither suitable for buses.
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
Because of the queue at a petrol station on Plumstead High Street they’re having to divert buses up to the common to get through to their destinations.
Who said there wouldn’t be Brexit chaos?
What road are they going up? Riverdale or Purrett neither suitable for buses.
Is there a relationship between drivers wanting full tanks and range anxiety for electric vehicle drivers, and even the desire to always have phones and tablets charged up?
Saw a EV driver pointing and laughing at those in the queue this morning.
As he drove off in his £100k Tesla company car.
£30k Nissan Leaf
And he was the one laughing?
160 mile range - if he's careful. I'll give him a wave on my way to Fleetwood next Saturday.
I’m sure he’ll live with his 240 mile range and less then a tenner to charge at home
Or people can discuss here the troubles of finding a petrol station where they fill up
And if they want to get political they can go to the HoC and discuss on the relevant thread there?
Imagine a good number of people dont want to see threads turning political, because we've seen over countless other threads that posters on here just cant remain respectful and it'll just turn into a giant slagging match.
Not political really. Just a statement of fact that the Exodus of EU drivers has contributed to the mess we are in. Maybe Brexit had nothing to do with the exodus of EU Drivers ?However, only a real dumdum would deny that the exodus of EU Drivers has had no impact in creating current shortages. As a previous poster pointed out Mr Leave himself (Boris Johnson) who for months has refused to issue visas to EU Drivers has now U Turned.
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Brexit is the elephant in the room in this discussion. I realise it’s unpalatable to the leavers on here but it’s, according to the haulage industry the second biggest problem in not having enough drivers. If it wasn’t explain exactly why the government are being forced into a u turn on relaxation of visa rules to get some Eastern European drivers in ?
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
but its as you say not the only reason.
Indeed. We’ve all discussed Covid and poor conditions for drivers in quite a civil manner, soon as you bring Brexit up people act like it’s their little sister and you can’t say anything about her, strange.
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.
Who'd a thunk it. A guy on an internet forum knows more about HGV's and Logistics than the owners of HGV and Logistics companies.
Because of the queue at a petrol station on Plumstead High Street they’re having to divert buses up to the common to get through to their destinations.
Who said there wouldn’t be Brexit chaos?
What road are they going up? Riverdale or Purrett neither suitable for buses.
Griffin Road.
Are they going down Kings Highway then?
Maybe. I didn’t get that far. I was walking back up from the station to home.
On the way I was surprised to see that the Old Mill’s windows are boarded up. Apparently they were smashed on Thursday night.
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?
I certainly wouldnt listen to Senior Management
Would rather listen to those a few tiers down who actually have sight on issues day to day
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
It's really not like saying that. Politics is probably one of the only professions where people get appointed with no 'expertise' in the field that they're in charge of.
I'm pretty sure owners of Haulage firms know the haulage business in far greater detail than Gavin Williamson knows education or Pritti Patel knows immigration law.
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
It's really not like saying that. Politics is probably one of the only professions where people get appointed with no 'expertise' in the field that they're in charge of.
I'm pretty sure owners of Haulage firms know the haulage business in far greater detail than Gavin Williamson knows education or Pritti Patel knows immigration law.
Williamson was mentioned tongue in cheek, hence why I then added Tony...
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?
I certainly wouldnt listen to Senior Management
Would rather listen to those a few tiers down who actually have sight on issues day to day
The senior management I work with went through all the tiers. How about a HGV boss who’s done that will that suffice?
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
It's really not like saying that. Politics is probably one of the only professions where people get appointed with no 'expertise' in the field that they're in charge of.
I'm pretty sure owners of Haulage firms know the haulage business in far greater detail than Gavin Williamson knows education or Pritti Patel knows immigration law.
Williamson was mentioned tongue in cheek, hence why I then added Tony...
Regardless if you think this current shower we call a government could organise a bunk up in a brothel, I've got a bridge I can sell you.
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?
I certainly wouldnt listen to Senior Management
Would rather listen to those a few tiers down who actually have sight on issues day to day
The senior management I work with went through all the tiers. How about a HGV boss who’s done that will that suffice?
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The first aim you quoted was to improve pay and working conditions. Two of the things I specifically mentioned.
Don’t be an ostrich.
160 mile range - if he's careful. I'll give him a wave on my way to Fleetwood next Saturday.
And if they want to get political they can go to the HoC and discuss on the relevant thread there?
Imagine a good number of people dont want to see threads turning political, because we've seen over countless other threads that posters on here just cant remain respectful and it'll just turn into a giant slagging match.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
but its as you say not the only reason.
I'm sure you will live as you report some wanker smiling at other peoples problems no matter how petty they are.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
On the way I was surprised to see that the Old Mill’s windows are boarded up. Apparently they were smashed on Thursday night.
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?
Would rather listen to those a few tiers down who actually have sight on issues day to day
I'm pretty sure owners of Haulage firms know the haulage business in far greater detail than Gavin Williamson knows education or Pritti Patel knows immigration law.