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I know a man with a Turkey farm that’s crying out for workers. Off you go.killerandflash said:
There's something wrong though where farmers (in this case) rely on foreign workers to do these jobs, and why we can't get British people to do them, whether it's wages or the educational/vocational training system where instead of training our own youngsters to do essential jobs, we've relied on getting already trained people in from abroadShootersHillGuru said:Anyone want to have a dig at the Turkey farmer who says his business is stuffed (see what I did there ?) because he can’t get pluckers, packers, slaughter men and get his produce transported and blames 100% Brexit. What would he know about Turkey farming I wonder. Not much I suppose because he’s never been a Turkey perhaps ?
I've always thought it was morally dubious to import already trained nurses and doctors from poorer countries also0 -
It's because we have produced a generation where a sizeable proportion are too fucking lazy to get out of bed and go to work. Why work when you can get universal credit and have better stuff than people that work . By the way before you have a go. That doesn't mean everyone just a sizeable proportion.ShootersHillGuru said:
I know a man with a Turkey farm that’s crying out for workers. Off you go.killerandflash said:
There's something wrong though where farmers (in this case) rely on foreign workers to do these jobs, and why we can't get British people to do them, whether it's wages or the educational/vocational training system where instead of training our own youngsters to do essential jobs, we've relied on getting already trained people in from abroadShootersHillGuru said:Anyone want to have a dig at the Turkey farmer who says his business is stuffed (see what I did there ?) because he can’t get pluckers, packers, slaughter men and get his produce transported and blames 100% Brexit. What would he know about Turkey farming I wonder. Not much I suppose because he’s never been a Turkey perhaps ?
I've always thought it was morally dubious to import already trained nurses and doctors from poorer countries also5 -
Just driven back from Wiltshire and amazing scenes at most petrol stations. Long queues at pretty much every one, often back onto the road so causing delays. Most of the south east motorway services showing as having no fuel.0
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Is that still the case though ? Not sure what percentage of people fit your profile but I’m sure it’s shrinking quite rapidly. I think I’m right that there a now a million advertised vacancies across the country. I guess there will always be an underclass that won’t work but I don’t think it’s a generation of people. I’m guessing that dodging a job these days is actually quite difficult.redbuttle said:
It's because we have produced a generation where a sizeable proportion are too fucking lazy to get out of bed and go to work. Why work when you can get universal credit and have better stuff than people that work . By the way before you have a go. That doesn't mean everyone just a sizeable proportion.ShootersHillGuru said:
I know a man with a Turkey farm that’s crying out for workers. Off you go.killerandflash said:
There's something wrong though where farmers (in this case) rely on foreign workers to do these jobs, and why we can't get British people to do them, whether it's wages or the educational/vocational training system where instead of training our own youngsters to do essential jobs, we've relied on getting already trained people in from abroadShootersHillGuru said:Anyone want to have a dig at the Turkey farmer who says his business is stuffed (see what I did there ?) because he can’t get pluckers, packers, slaughter men and get his produce transported and blames 100% Brexit. What would he know about Turkey farming I wonder. Not much I suppose because he’s never been a Turkey perhaps ?
I've always thought it was morally dubious to import already trained nurses and doctors from poorer countries also3 -
Easiest drive to The Valley in donkeys years. I guess a lot of people are staying at home today eeking out their juice for the week ahead.0
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Unfortunately I bet not.Huskaris said:
I was thinking about that earlier. A charitable mind would maybe think that they have either run out of fuel (if on foot) or driving it to someone who has (if in a car). I bet that loads of cars have run out of petrol just trying to find fuel!cabbles said:Currently waiting for a bus at the top of forest hill down to Sydenham to go to my dad’s who will then drive us to the game. I went out about an hour ago as we are pretty much on empty. It’s pretty bad round this way for traffic, and the Shell I drove past at the top of Crystal Palace park was out.
I didn’t have time to sit in any queues as I want to get to the game, but haven’t seen a sight of a bus yet. All a bit inconvenient, but when you see panic buying, do these people not think of the knock on effect for emergency vehicles, public transport etc. I can’t get my head around it. I don’t think I could stomach the embarrassment of being that type of person that’s gone out and filled up cans etc. No shame
I bet loads of those people aren't doing it for those reasons though!
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Yes we disagree I suspect because we define magnitude differently.valleynick66 said:
I don’t recall saying it means nothing I.e reverting to passports I just suggest need not be a barrier to taking a driving job.seth plum said:
Yes it is an extra barrier that wasn’t there before. I understand you probably don’t see it as a big deal nevertheless it is a barrier.valleynick66 said:
Don’t agree that it’s a faff to get a passport nor need be time consuming. Indeed the relative cost is not high either if it’s your investment to secure a job and to get a job that is better paid than elsewhere in Europe (as I assume that’s what will attract drivers to return). The change on entry requirements will not have been unknown to impacted stakeholders.seth plum said:
It would be a barrier to for example non UK HGV drivers who currently enter the UK with ID that is not a passport.valleynick66 said:
So to be clear imagine and think.seth plum said:
I imagine thousands do currently. They won’t be allowed to after 1st October though.valleynick66 said:
Why? Don’t they hold passports then? How many people currently travel into the UK with only national identity cards and not a passport ?seth plum said:From the 1st October those travelling in to the UK will no longer be allowed to use EU, EEA, or Swiss national identity cards when entering the UK. They must hold full passports, including presumably non UK truck drivers.
That is another barrier to a solution to the transportation crisis in the UK.
I wonder why.
I would also think that many currently using non passport ID’s don’t have a current passport.That doesn’t really equate to another barrier and “I wonder why” I would suggest.If it emerges as a barrier it’s surely quickly resolved by those people getting a passport ?
It happens in six days.
I agree it can be resolved if they all used a passport, but the time it takes them to get one, plus the expense equates to a barrier. But quickly?
Perhaps non UK HGV drivers don’t want to go to all that kind of faff, especially as is reported there is plenty of work available to them on the continent.
For the drivers to have to include that decision or action in the equation of their working life, when they didn’t have to before, is an extra barrier, and it is because of ….. (sorry I am not allowed to say Brexit am I?).Pure conjecture with no evidence to suggest it’s a meaningful barrier.It’s just a scheduled change to entry requirements.Quite plausible that many will already hold passports anyway for leisure purposes otherwise visiting the UK or other destinations outside Europe.My point is you presented it almost as a confirmed barrier when you seemingly have no data to support that.
It is also meaningful if it is now a passport when it was ID before, if it means nothing why change?Are you still suggesting it’s a meaningful barrier that is going to further exacerbate this petrol distribution issue ?
I just don’t see it as of that magnitude. That is my point.Agree to disagree I suggest.0 -
As you won’t jet it go quantify magnitude?seth plum said:
Yes we disagree I suspect because we define magnitude differently.valleynick66 said:
I don’t recall saying it means nothing I.e reverting to passports I just suggest need not be a barrier to taking a driving job.seth plum said:
Yes it is an extra barrier that wasn’t there before. I understand you probably don’t see it as a big deal nevertheless it is a barrier.valleynick66 said:
Don’t agree that it’s a faff to get a passport nor need be time consuming. Indeed the relative cost is not high either if it’s your investment to secure a job and to get a job that is better paid than elsewhere in Europe (as I assume that’s what will attract drivers to return). The change on entry requirements will not have been unknown to impacted stakeholders.seth plum said:
It would be a barrier to for example non UK HGV drivers who currently enter the UK with ID that is not a passport.valleynick66 said:
So to be clear imagine and think.seth plum said:
I imagine thousands do currently. They won’t be allowed to after 1st October though.valleynick66 said:
Why? Don’t they hold passports then? How many people currently travel into the UK with only national identity cards and not a passport ?seth plum said:From the 1st October those travelling in to the UK will no longer be allowed to use EU, EEA, or Swiss national identity cards when entering the UK. They must hold full passports, including presumably non UK truck drivers.
That is another barrier to a solution to the transportation crisis in the UK.
I wonder why.
I would also think that many currently using non passport ID’s don’t have a current passport.That doesn’t really equate to another barrier and “I wonder why” I would suggest.If it emerges as a barrier it’s surely quickly resolved by those people getting a passport ?
It happens in six days.
I agree it can be resolved if they all used a passport, but the time it takes them to get one, plus the expense equates to a barrier. But quickly?
Perhaps non UK HGV drivers don’t want to go to all that kind of faff, especially as is reported there is plenty of work available to them on the continent.
For the drivers to have to include that decision or action in the equation of their working life, when they didn’t have to before, is an extra barrier, and it is because of ….. (sorry I am not allowed to say Brexit am I?).Pure conjecture with no evidence to suggest it’s a meaningful barrier.It’s just a scheduled change to entry requirements.Quite plausible that many will already hold passports anyway for leisure purposes otherwise visiting the UK or other destinations outside Europe.My point is you presented it almost as a confirmed barrier when you seemingly have no data to support that.
It is also meaningful if it is now a passport when it was ID before, if it means nothing why change?Are you still suggesting it’s a meaningful barrier that is going to further exacerbate this petrol distribution issue ?
I just don’t see it as of that magnitude. That is my point.Agree to disagree I suggest.0 -
Typical that instead of actually looking at the real problems people would rather call the younger generation lazy for not growing up with the dream of being a truck driver.
Always someone else's fault.5 -
Had to drive back to Murston from Marden earlier to pickup some bits from home. Passed 8 garages all having signs saying no diesel or petrol. Start getting worried as my fuel indicator went down to the last bar.
Turned off the A247 (I think) and got to The Long Hop and traffic was at a standstill.
45 minutes later got to the Esso garage on the left, so just about made it.
Put in £25, guy at the counter said almost everyone else was putting in £50/£60/£70 worth.
Why do people have to be so greedy.
To me it's seems there is a "shortage" because of these selfish gits.3 -
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Because people are sheep, perhaps the question back is why isn’t the garage limiting these large purchasesMiserableoldgit said:Had to drive back to Murston from Marden earlier to pickup some bits from home. Passed 8 garages all having signs saying no diesel or petrol. Start getting worried as my fuel indicator went down to the last bar.
Turned off the A247 (I think) and got to The Long Hop and traffic was at a standstill.
45 minutes later got to the Esso garage on the left, so just about made it.
Put in £25, guy at the counter said almost everyone else was putting in £50/£60/£70 worth.
Why do people have to be so greedy.
To me it's seems there is a "shortage" because of these selfish gits.1 -
Magnitude in itself is a riff on quantity, it’s like you’ve asked me how long is a piece of string.valleynick66 said:
As you won’t jet it go quantify magnitude?seth plum said:
Yes we disagree I suspect because we define magnitude differently.valleynick66 said:
I don’t recall saying it means nothing I.e reverting to passports I just suggest need not be a barrier to taking a driving job.seth plum said:
Yes it is an extra barrier that wasn’t there before. I understand you probably don’t see it as a big deal nevertheless it is a barrier.valleynick66 said:
Don’t agree that it’s a faff to get a passport nor need be time consuming. Indeed the relative cost is not high either if it’s your investment to secure a job and to get a job that is better paid than elsewhere in Europe (as I assume that’s what will attract drivers to return). The change on entry requirements will not have been unknown to impacted stakeholders.seth plum said:
It would be a barrier to for example non UK HGV drivers who currently enter the UK with ID that is not a passport.valleynick66 said:
So to be clear imagine and think.seth plum said:
I imagine thousands do currently. They won’t be allowed to after 1st October though.valleynick66 said:
Why? Don’t they hold passports then? How many people currently travel into the UK with only national identity cards and not a passport ?seth plum said:From the 1st October those travelling in to the UK will no longer be allowed to use EU, EEA, or Swiss national identity cards when entering the UK. They must hold full passports, including presumably non UK truck drivers.
That is another barrier to a solution to the transportation crisis in the UK.
I wonder why.
I would also think that many currently using non passport ID’s don’t have a current passport.That doesn’t really equate to another barrier and “I wonder why” I would suggest.If it emerges as a barrier it’s surely quickly resolved by those people getting a passport ?
It happens in six days.
I agree it can be resolved if they all used a passport, but the time it takes them to get one, plus the expense equates to a barrier. But quickly?
Perhaps non UK HGV drivers don’t want to go to all that kind of faff, especially as is reported there is plenty of work available to them on the continent.
For the drivers to have to include that decision or action in the equation of their working life, when they didn’t have to before, is an extra barrier, and it is because of ….. (sorry I am not allowed to say Brexit am I?).Pure conjecture with no evidence to suggest it’s a meaningful barrier.It’s just a scheduled change to entry requirements.Quite plausible that many will already hold passports anyway for leisure purposes otherwise visiting the UK or other destinations outside Europe.My point is you presented it almost as a confirmed barrier when you seemingly have no data to support that.
It is also meaningful if it is now a passport when it was ID before, if it means nothing why change?Are you still suggesting it’s a meaningful barrier that is going to further exacerbate this petrol distribution issue ?
I just don’t see it as of that magnitude. That is my point.Agree to disagree I suggest.
Things change for the worse on October 1st is my view. I have explained my reasons.0 -
I would arguably say that the large purchases should be allowed. Anyone filling up under a tenner or twenty quid (unless it’s a motorbike) clearly doesn’t need it.Jon_CAFC_ said:
Because people are sheep, perhaps the question back is why isn’t the garage limiting these large purchasesMiserableoldgit said:Had to drive back to Murston from Marden earlier to pickup some bits from home. Passed 8 garages all having signs saying no diesel or petrol. Start getting worried as my fuel indicator went down to the last bar.
Turned off the A247 (I think) and got to The Long Hop and traffic was at a standstill.
45 minutes later got to the Esso garage on the left, so just about made it.
Put in £25, guy at the counter said almost everyone else was putting in £50/£60/£70 worth.
Why do people have to be so greedy.
To me it's seems there is a "shortage" because of these selfish gits.5 -
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No not like how long is a piece of string at all.seth plum said:
Magnitude in itself is a riff on quantity, it’s like you’ve asked me how long is a piece of string.valleynick66 said:
As you won’t jet it go quantify magnitude?seth plum said:
Yes we disagree I suspect because we define magnitude differently.valleynick66 said:
I don’t recall saying it means nothing I.e reverting to passports I just suggest need not be a barrier to taking a driving job.seth plum said:
Yes it is an extra barrier that wasn’t there before. I understand you probably don’t see it as a big deal nevertheless it is a barrier.valleynick66 said:
Don’t agree that it’s a faff to get a passport nor need be time consuming. Indeed the relative cost is not high either if it’s your investment to secure a job and to get a job that is better paid than elsewhere in Europe (as I assume that’s what will attract drivers to return). The change on entry requirements will not have been unknown to impacted stakeholders.seth plum said:
It would be a barrier to for example non UK HGV drivers who currently enter the UK with ID that is not a passport.valleynick66 said:
So to be clear imagine and think.seth plum said:
I imagine thousands do currently. They won’t be allowed to after 1st October though.valleynick66 said:
Why? Don’t they hold passports then? How many people currently travel into the UK with only national identity cards and not a passport ?seth plum said:From the 1st October those travelling in to the UK will no longer be allowed to use EU, EEA, or Swiss national identity cards when entering the UK. They must hold full passports, including presumably non UK truck drivers.
That is another barrier to a solution to the transportation crisis in the UK.
I wonder why.
I would also think that many currently using non passport ID’s don’t have a current passport.That doesn’t really equate to another barrier and “I wonder why” I would suggest.If it emerges as a barrier it’s surely quickly resolved by those people getting a passport ?
It happens in six days.
I agree it can be resolved if they all used a passport, but the time it takes them to get one, plus the expense equates to a barrier. But quickly?
Perhaps non UK HGV drivers don’t want to go to all that kind of faff, especially as is reported there is plenty of work available to them on the continent.
For the drivers to have to include that decision or action in the equation of their working life, when they didn’t have to before, is an extra barrier, and it is because of ….. (sorry I am not allowed to say Brexit am I?).Pure conjecture with no evidence to suggest it’s a meaningful barrier.It’s just a scheduled change to entry requirements.Quite plausible that many will already hold passports anyway for leisure purposes otherwise visiting the UK or other destinations outside Europe.My point is you presented it almost as a confirmed barrier when you seemingly have no data to support that.
It is also meaningful if it is now a passport when it was ID before, if it means nothing why change?Are you still suggesting it’s a meaningful barrier that is going to further exacerbate this petrol distribution issue ?
I just don’t see it as of that magnitude. That is my point.Agree to disagree I suggest.
Things change for the worse on October 1st is my view. I have explained my reasons.It’s only for the worse in this context if any of the potentially returning drivers dont have a passport and can’t get one in the window they want to. Seems an unlikely complication of any significance unless I misunderstand the practicalities of switching from one form of identification to another.0 -
I was thinking that. Surely the large purchases are people who need to fill up. It is the small ones that are not needed which are causing the issue isn't it.Ross said:
I would arguably say that the large purchases should be allowed. Anyone filling up under a tenner or twenty quid (unless it’s a motorbike) clearly doesn’t need it.Jon_CAFC_ said:
Because people are sheep, perhaps the question back is why isn’t the garage limiting these large purchasesMiserableoldgit said:Had to drive back to Murston from Marden earlier to pickup some bits from home. Passed 8 garages all having signs saying no diesel or petrol. Start getting worried as my fuel indicator went down to the last bar.
Turned off the A247 (I think) and got to The Long Hop and traffic was at a standstill.
45 minutes later got to the Esso garage on the left, so just about made it.
Put in £25, guy at the counter said almost everyone else was putting in £50/£60/£70 worth.
Why do people have to be so greedy.
To me it's seems there is a "shortage" because of these selfish gits.2 -
To be honest I doubt too many of the drivers from Eastern Europe won’t already have a passport. Whether or not enough of them still see the U.K. as a good place to come is quite another matter. There are shortages across Europe so the U.K. will probably have to offer a very big incentive to stop them going off to Germany or France or elsewhere. If working abroad is what they see as best then having the security of working in another EU country must score heavily against a country where even before they consider coming they have been told it’s only temporary. We’ll see soon enough.2
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I agree but I guess at least it proves those people genuinely did need petrol.Miserableoldgit said:Had to drive back to Murston from Marden earlier to pickup some bits from home. Passed 8 garages all having signs saying no diesel or petrol. Start getting worried as my fuel indicator went down to the last bar.
Turned off the A247 (I think) and got to The Long Hop and traffic was at a standstill.
45 minutes later got to the Esso garage on the left, so just about made it.
Put in £25, guy at the counter said almost everyone else was putting in £50/£60/£70 worth.
Why do people have to be so greedy.
To me it's seems there is a "shortage" because of these selfish gits.2 -
The temporary visa scheme is now only until Christmas Eve, so it will require a big financial incentive to attract EU drivers.0
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It might help if the media stopped encouraging panic buying....ME14addick said:The temporary visa scheme is now only until Christmas Eve, so it will require a big financial incentive to attract EU drivers.2 -
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I’ll be honest, if people heard Bodger say one thing, after the last 18 months, people aren’t prepared to believe him, hence panichoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It might help if the media stopped encouraging panic buying....ME14addick said:The temporary visa scheme is now only until Christmas Eve, so it will require a big financial incentive to attract EU drivers.4 -
The shortage of drivers isn't only for petrol. The boss of Iceland was on Question Time this week and said that Christmas is going to be difficult, so not only the media.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It might help if the media stopped encouraging panic buying....ME14addick said:The temporary visa scheme is now only until Christmas Eve, so it will require a big financial incentive to attract EU drivers.0 -
Think of all those disappointed mums.ME14addick said:
The shortage of drivers isn't only for petrol. The boss of Iceland was on Question Time this week and said that Christmas is going to be difficult, so not only the media.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It might help if the media stopped encouraging panic buying....ME14addick said:The temporary visa scheme is now only until Christmas Eve, so it will require a big financial incentive to attract EU drivers.8 -
The media just exacerbate any problems.ME14addick said:
The shortage of drivers isn't only for petrol. The boss of Iceland was on Question Time this week and said that Christmas is going to be difficult, so not only the media.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It might help if the media stopped encouraging panic buying....ME14addick said:The temporary visa scheme is now only until Christmas Eve, so it will require a big financial incentive to attract EU drivers.0 -
I really can’t understand this. Christmas is 13 weeks away. Probably going to take anyone wanting to come 2 or 3 weeks at least to get things arranged. I also presume that they all already have jobs ? Why wouldn’t they as they’re in such demand. Most will want to get home a few days before Christmas so realistically it leaves them perhaps 10 or 11 weeks at best to work when they then have to go home again and look for another position. Can’t see why anyone would want to come unless there is mega bucks involved which would royally piss me off if I was a Brit driver on £11.50 an hour.ME14addick said:The temporary visa scheme is now only until Christmas Eve, so it will require a big financial incentive to attract EU drivers.3 -
Indeed. If drivers don’t have a passport they might indeed struggle to fill in the forms, get the photos sorted, get them verified, send them off, pay the fee, and await the arrival of said passports. And hope the passport arrives in time. There may also be extra bureaucratic demands and visa fees to pay. Something not needed for many HGV drivers at the moment.valleynick66 said:
No not like how long is a piece of string at all.seth plum said:
Magnitude in itself is a riff on quantity, it’s like you’ve asked me how long is a piece of string.valleynick66 said:
As you won’t jet it go quantify magnitude?seth plum said:
Yes we disagree I suspect because we define magnitude differently.valleynick66 said:
I don’t recall saying it means nothing I.e reverting to passports I just suggest need not be a barrier to taking a driving job.seth plum said:
Yes it is an extra barrier that wasn’t there before. I understand you probably don’t see it as a big deal nevertheless it is a barrier.valleynick66 said:
Don’t agree that it’s a faff to get a passport nor need be time consuming. Indeed the relative cost is not high either if it’s your investment to secure a job and to get a job that is better paid than elsewhere in Europe (as I assume that’s what will attract drivers to return). The change on entry requirements will not have been unknown to impacted stakeholders.seth plum said:
It would be a barrier to for example non UK HGV drivers who currently enter the UK with ID that is not a passport.valleynick66 said:
So to be clear imagine and think.seth plum said:
I imagine thousands do currently. They won’t be allowed to after 1st October though.valleynick66 said:
Why? Don’t they hold passports then? How many people currently travel into the UK with only national identity cards and not a passport ?seth plum said:From the 1st October those travelling in to the UK will no longer be allowed to use EU, EEA, or Swiss national identity cards when entering the UK. They must hold full passports, including presumably non UK truck drivers.
That is another barrier to a solution to the transportation crisis in the UK.
I wonder why.
I would also think that many currently using non passport ID’s don’t have a current passport.That doesn’t really equate to another barrier and “I wonder why” I would suggest.If it emerges as a barrier it’s surely quickly resolved by those people getting a passport ?
It happens in six days.
I agree it can be resolved if they all used a passport, but the time it takes them to get one, plus the expense equates to a barrier. But quickly?
Perhaps non UK HGV drivers don’t want to go to all that kind of faff, especially as is reported there is plenty of work available to them on the continent.
For the drivers to have to include that decision or action in the equation of their working life, when they didn’t have to before, is an extra barrier, and it is because of ….. (sorry I am not allowed to say Brexit am I?).Pure conjecture with no evidence to suggest it’s a meaningful barrier.It’s just a scheduled change to entry requirements.Quite plausible that many will already hold passports anyway for leisure purposes otherwise visiting the UK or other destinations outside Europe.My point is you presented it almost as a confirmed barrier when you seemingly have no data to support that.
It is also meaningful if it is now a passport when it was ID before, if it means nothing why change?Are you still suggesting it’s a meaningful barrier that is going to further exacerbate this petrol distribution issue ?
I just don’t see it as of that magnitude. That is my point.Agree to disagree I suggest.
Things change for the worse on October 1st is my view. I have explained my reasons.It’s only for the worse in this context if any of the potentially returning drivers dont have a passport and can’t get one in the window they want to. Seems an unlikely complication of any significance unless I misunderstand the practicalities of switching from one form of identification to another.
It seems you see such a faff as insignificant, I see it as an extra barrier and a problem.
The problem is down to the UK leaving the EU.
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Wife got one of those from 'bargin store' on a previous visit went there yesterday and it didn't fit in thier trolly!!!Raith_C_Chattonell said:
You need to get one of those token things for the key ring, saves all that malarky. Plenty on Amazon.McBobbin said:First world problems abound... Couldnt get into my usual Tesco because of blocked by cars, so went to the one in town. Had those trolleys that took a pound. Did I have a pound? No. Did any of the tills in the shop have a pound? Yes! The fourth one I had to queue up for. So glad I was wearing a mask so I could mouth death threats at every person in the shop
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Only again because we all buy too much or at least more than we need when in reality shops are only shut for one of two days.ME14addick said:
The shortage of drivers isn't only for petrol. The boss of Iceland was on Question Time this week and said that Christmas is going to be difficult, so not only the media.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It might help if the media stopped encouraging panic buying....ME14addick said:The temporary visa scheme is now only until Christmas Eve, so it will require a big financial incentive to attract EU drivers.0 -
Help for heroes do these and it obviously helps a good cause too.kakaka said:
Wife got one of those from 'bargin store' on a previous visit went there yesterday and it didn't fit in thier trolly!!!Raith_C_Chattonell said:
You need to get one of those token things for the key ring, saves all that malarky. Plenty on Amazon.McBobbin said:First world problems abound... Couldnt get into my usual Tesco because of blocked by cars, so went to the one in town. Had those trolleys that took a pound. Did I have a pound? No. Did any of the tills in the shop have a pound? Yes! The fourth one I had to queue up for. So glad I was wearing a mask so I could mouth death threats at every person in the shop0 -
Scaremongering right there. Zero evidence that passports will be an issue or a faff.seth plum said:
Indeed. If drivers don’t have a passport they might indeed struggle to fill in the forms, get the photos sorted, get them verified, send them off, pay the fee, and await the arrival of said passports. And hope the passport arrives in time. There may also be extra bureaucratic demands and visa fees to pay. Something not needed for many HGV drivers at the moment.valleynick66 said:
No not like how long is a piece of string at all.seth plum said:
Magnitude in itself is a riff on quantity, it’s like you’ve asked me how long is a piece of string.valleynick66 said:
As you won’t jet it go quantify magnitude?seth plum said:
Yes we disagree I suspect because we define magnitude differently.valleynick66 said:
I don’t recall saying it means nothing I.e reverting to passports I just suggest need not be a barrier to taking a driving job.seth plum said:
Yes it is an extra barrier that wasn’t there before. I understand you probably don’t see it as a big deal nevertheless it is a barrier.valleynick66 said:
Don’t agree that it’s a faff to get a passport nor need be time consuming. Indeed the relative cost is not high either if it’s your investment to secure a job and to get a job that is better paid than elsewhere in Europe (as I assume that’s what will attract drivers to return). The change on entry requirements will not have been unknown to impacted stakeholders.seth plum said:
It would be a barrier to for example non UK HGV drivers who currently enter the UK with ID that is not a passport.valleynick66 said:
So to be clear imagine and think.seth plum said:
I imagine thousands do currently. They won’t be allowed to after 1st October though.valleynick66 said:
Why? Don’t they hold passports then? How many people currently travel into the UK with only national identity cards and not a passport ?seth plum said:From the 1st October those travelling in to the UK will no longer be allowed to use EU, EEA, or Swiss national identity cards when entering the UK. They must hold full passports, including presumably non UK truck drivers.
That is another barrier to a solution to the transportation crisis in the UK.
I wonder why.
I would also think that many currently using non passport ID’s don’t have a current passport.That doesn’t really equate to another barrier and “I wonder why” I would suggest.If it emerges as a barrier it’s surely quickly resolved by those people getting a passport ?
It happens in six days.
I agree it can be resolved if they all used a passport, but the time it takes them to get one, plus the expense equates to a barrier. But quickly?
Perhaps non UK HGV drivers don’t want to go to all that kind of faff, especially as is reported there is plenty of work available to them on the continent.
For the drivers to have to include that decision or action in the equation of their working life, when they didn’t have to before, is an extra barrier, and it is because of ….. (sorry I am not allowed to say Brexit am I?).Pure conjecture with no evidence to suggest it’s a meaningful barrier.It’s just a scheduled change to entry requirements.Quite plausible that many will already hold passports anyway for leisure purposes otherwise visiting the UK or other destinations outside Europe.My point is you presented it almost as a confirmed barrier when you seemingly have no data to support that.
It is also meaningful if it is now a passport when it was ID before, if it means nothing why change?Are you still suggesting it’s a meaningful barrier that is going to further exacerbate this petrol distribution issue ?
I just don’t see it as of that magnitude. That is my point.Agree to disagree I suggest.
Things change for the worse on October 1st is my view. I have explained my reasons.It’s only for the worse in this context if any of the potentially returning drivers dont have a passport and can’t get one in the window they want to. Seems an unlikely complication of any significance unless I misunderstand the practicalities of switching from one form of identification to another.
It seems you see such a faff as insignificant, I see it as an extra barrier and a problem.
The problem is down to the UK leaving the EU.Not denying Brexit has a part to play.0
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