Charlton Only - January 2022 Transfer Rumours (Deadline Day p.97)

Armstrong Inya Echezolachuku Oko-Flex. That's an incredible name.

Apparently made the first team bench for their recent league game at Arsenal. Would they really want him to drop to mid-table in league one?

Jermain Defoe has left Rangers and is looking for a new club.......

Callumcafc said:

Talented player. Would be shocked if he drops to L1 level.

Why? He's a youngster with no first team games for West Ham and just 2 for Celtic, L1 is exactly the sort of level you'd expect him to go on loan to.

https://www.whufc.com/teams/development-squad/squad/armstrong-okoflex

killerandflash said:

Callumcafc said:

Talented player. Would be shocked if he drops to L1 level.

Why? He's a youngster with no first team games for West Ham and just 2 for Celtic, L1 is exactly the sort of level you'd expect him to go on loan to.

https://www.whufc.com/teams/development-squad/squad/armstrong-okoflex

He's made the first team bench so they clearly rate him highly. I'd expect there to be some championship interest in him although maybe at that level and this time of year teams might want someone more tried and trusted.

But even if they were prepared to drop him to league one, West ham would surely prefer a team chasing automatic/play offs. A side who's season is effectively over with a strong chance that March/April could peter out into a few nothing games might not 'test' the player as much as if he was in a team fighting for promotion.

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Armstrong Inya Echezolachuku Oko-Flex. That's an incredible name.

Apparently made the first team bench for their recent league game at Arsenal. Would they really want him to drop to mid-table in league one?

Cost a fortune getting that on the back of your shirt...

paulfox said:

eastterrace6168 said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Armstrong Inya Echezolachuku Oko-Flex. That's an incredible name.

Apparently made the first team bench for their recent league game at Arsenal. Would they really want him to drop to mid-table in league one?

Cost a fortune getting that on the back of your shirt...

Think we’re ok for defenders, Costa and fortune are I bit past it I’d say!!😜

Took ya time coming up with that one eh...

RonnieMoore said:

DICKIE PLUMB said:

i really don’t understand why there is this obsession with waiting until the window is about to ‘slam’ shut before doing any business. I get that some clubs might be reluctant to sell and are practicing brinkmanship but money talks and the number of games any new players are missing during the window could be critical. 

How many proper transfers there been in all leagues so far … there your answer 

Heard this all summer until fans finally realised it was too late and we hadn't done enough business.

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

killerandflash said:

Callumcafc said:

Talented player. Would be shocked if he drops to L1 level.

Why? He's a youngster with no first team games for West Ham and just 2 for Celtic, L1 is exactly the sort of level you'd expect him to go on loan to.

https://www.whufc.com/teams/development-squad/squad/armstrong-okoflex

He's made the first team bench so they clearly rate him highly. I'd expect there to be some championship interest in him although maybe at that level and this time of year teams might want someone more tried and trusted.

But even if they were prepared to drop him to league one, West ham would surely prefer a team chasing automatic/play offs. A side who's season is effectively over with a strong chance that March/April could peter out into a few nothing games might not 'test' the player as much as if he was in a team fighting for promotion.

But was he only on the bench because of injuries and Covid cases?

The whole point of sending a player out on loan is to get regular game time, and how many Championship sides would stick a 19 year old loan player into their first team?

Maccn05 said:

As of last month he'd scored  14 goals in 15 games for the u-23s so far this season. But likely shows our plans for the window a couple of risky young loans. Lets hope this one comes off!

Dont have much choice though do we, not as things stand

We've got currently got one spot left in the team for a player who is over 21, thanks to Arter going back

Only other spots that'll become available will be if we loan out the likes of Josh Davison or Charlie Kirk, the latter would surprise me. Should also remember that Albie Morgan going on loan wont change a thing in that regard, seeing as he didnt need to be registered.

If the incoming player is a permanent signing, it means we can bring in two U21 players on loan. One again replaces the spot left by Arter, the other spot is the fifth spot we didnt use in the summer - Of course we could also try and sign U21 players on a permanent basis, but no reliable names spring to mind.

I know a number of people will say that we should just terminate the deals of Gunter or Watson etc. to free up a spot - But do we really want to become the sort of club that cant honour the contracts that we hand out to players?

Doesnt look good when we want to bring in better players, as whats to say we wont do it to them?

Of course all of that is irrelevant if the PFA have legally managed to throw out the EFL's registration rules - But I'd be extremely surprised if thats done and dusted (or even still going ahead) as the silence has been golden.

Cafc43v3r said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Maccn05 said:

As of last month he'd scored  14 goals in 15 games for the u-23s so far this season. But likely shows our plans for the window a couple of risky young loans. Lets hope this one comes off!

Dont have much choice though do we, not as things stand

We've got currently got one spot left in the team for a player who is over 21, thanks to Arter going back

Only other spots that'll become available will be if we loan out the likes of Josh Davison or Charlie Kirk, the latter would surprise me. Should also remember that Albie Morgan going on loan wont change a thing in that regard, seeing as he didnt need to be registered.

If the incoming player is a permanent signing, it means we can bring in two U21 players on loan. One again replaces the spot left by Arter, the other spot is the fifth spot we didnt use in the summer - Of course we could also try and sign U21 players on a permanent basis, but no reliable names spring to mind.

I know a number of people will say that we should just terminate the deals of Gunter or Watson etc. to free up a spot - But do we really want to become the sort of club that cant honour the contracts that we hand out to players?

Doesnt look good when we want to bring in better players, as whats to say we wont do it to them?

Of course all of that is irrelevant if the PFA have legally managed to throw out the EFL's registration rules - But I'd be extremely surprised if thats done and dusted (or even still going ahead) as the silence has been golden.

Doesn't a loan, any loan, take up a squad place even if they are 11, 21 or 31?

I thought that was written in to encourage promotion of home grown youth not hired help? 

To be honest I just presumed that if any player was U21 (loan or otherwise) then they wouldn't need to be registered - Even worse if that's the case then as we can sign ONE player this window in that scenario

cafcfan1990 said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Maccn05 said:

As of last month he'd scored  14 goals in 15 games for the u-23s so far this season. But likely shows our plans for the window a couple of risky young loans. Lets hope this one comes off!

Dont have much choice though do we, not as things stand

We've got currently got one spot left in the team for a player who is over 21, thanks to Arter going back

Only other spots that'll become available will be if we loan out the likes of Josh Davison or Charlie Kirk, the latter would surprise me. Should also remember that Albie Morgan going on loan wont change a thing in that regard, seeing as he didnt need to be registered.

If the incoming player is a permanent signing, it means we can bring in two U21 players on loan. One again replaces the spot left by Arter, the other spot is the fifth spot we didnt use in the summer - Of course we could also try and sign U21 players on a permanent basis, but no reliable names spring to mind.

I know a number of people will say that we should just terminate the deals of Gunter or Watson etc. to free up a spot - But do we really want to become the sort of club that cant honour the contracts that we hand out to players?

Doesnt look good when we want to bring in better players, as whats to say we wont do it to them?

Of course all of that is irrelevant if the PFA have legally managed to throw out the EFL's registration rules - But I'd be extremely surprised if thats done and dusted (or even still going ahead) as the silence has been golden.

Doesn't a loan, any loan, take up a squad place even if they are 11, 21 or 31?

I thought that was written in to encourage promotion of home grown youth not hired help? 

That rule only applies in the Championship, not League 1 or League 2. Same with goalkeepers, it's included in the Championship limit although they are allowed 25 players compared to our 22. 

I thought the squad rules for League One were 24-players this season, yet goes down from next?

killerandflash said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

killerandflash said:

Callumcafc said:

Talented player. Would be shocked if he drops to L1 level.

Why? He's a youngster with no first team games for West Ham and just 2 for Celtic, L1 is exactly the sort of level you'd expect him to go on loan to.

https://www.whufc.com/teams/development-squad/squad/armstrong-okoflex

He's made the first team bench so they clearly rate him highly. I'd expect there to be some championship interest in him although maybe at that level and this time of year teams might want someone more tried and trusted.

But even if they were prepared to drop him to league one, West ham would surely prefer a team chasing automatic/play offs. A side who's season is effectively over with a strong chance that March/April could peter out into a few nothing games might not 'test' the player as much as if he was in a team fighting for promotion.

But was he only on the bench because of injuries and Covid cases?

The whole point of sending a player out on loan is to get regular game time, and how many Championship sides would stick a 19 year old loan player into their first team?

Precisely.  Champ sides would be really unlikely to risk ANY 19yo as a regular striker.  TBH at that age they might even consider a top L2 side as easier to ‘encourage’ starting every game

killerandflash said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

killerandflash said:

Callumcafc said:

Talented player. Would be shocked if he drops to L1 level.

Why? He's a youngster with no first team games for West Ham and just 2 for Celtic, L1 is exactly the sort of level you'd expect him to go on loan to.

https://www.whufc.com/teams/development-squad/squad/armstrong-okoflex

He's made the first team bench so they clearly rate him highly. I'd expect there to be some championship interest in him although maybe at that level and this time of year teams might want someone more tried and trusted.

But even if they were prepared to drop him to league one, West ham would surely prefer a team chasing automatic/play offs. A side who's season is effectively over with a strong chance that March/April could peter out into a few nothing games might not 'test' the player as much as if he was in a team fighting for promotion.

But was he only on the bench because of injuries and Covid cases?

The whole point of sending a player out on loan is to get regular game time, and how many Championship sides would stick a 19 year old loan player into their first team?

Not sure but he's on their bench again tonight and i don't think they have that many people missing.