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Post-match thread: Cheltenham v Charlton | 3pm Saturday 15th January

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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,733
    edited January 2022
    They out muscled us. I don't want to knock him as he is a great prospect but this was a game where Burstow was a liability and we were effectively playing with 10. He did not affect the game at all. But what it says is that he needs to go on loan, he is still a great prospect. I would like to see him learn the ugly side of the game somewhere. 
  • RaplhMilne
    RaplhMilne Posts: 4,603
    edited January 2022
    RodneyCharltonTrotta said:




    We are staying up say we are staying up.  Absolute lions to a man to come back and save that.  Heroes.
    I really hope your tounge in cheek….. Hero’s….. fuck me if none of them ever played again I wouldn’t be bothered. 
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,509
    SELR_addicks said:
    Another game played with a formation that doesn't suit the players on the pitch at all. 

    We have zero true wing backs in the squad, why are we playing a formation that requires them? 
    We know that this squad was built to play 4231 … 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,736
    Awful performance, but love a late equaliser.

    Lee, Leko, Clare all had poor games. Any talk of signing Lee or Leko permanently needs to be squashed.

    Cheltenham will feel hard done by, thought they moved it around nicely and we're rarely troubled by us.

    Hopefully that ends whatever this slump is, but I have my doubts.
  • Bangkokaddick
    Bangkokaddick Posts: 4,299
    SDAddick said:
    Genuinely still cackling. We deserved -1 points for that. After all the times this had happened to us in the last few years, it's nice to know what it feels like. And it feels...so dumb. 

    The real winner today was the black kits. They are ace. 

    Just a shame Sean Clare thought we were playing in red during the first half!
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,356
    Nicholas said:
    Another fucked up season thanks to the people behind the scenes not getting their arses in gear before the season started. 
    How can this still be an excuse? We are in January and still shit
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,336
    Thought we were devoid of ideas and couldn’t break them down. Too many poor passes today. Not a game for Burstow IMO. Still don’t think we should play 3-5-2 away from home as teams have sussed us out. Chuks played 90 and looked dangerous. Would like to see Washington play off him. 
  • floydroadfaithfull
    floydroadfaithfull Posts: 4,778
    5 positives=
    We didn't lose although we deserved to
    We got a point we didn't deserve
    Chucks scored on his debut
    Best of all chuks lasted 95 mins
    We scored in front of the travelling fans(if they hadn't all left by the 94th minute)to create absolute scenes

  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,509
    This could be a massive point .. boys kept going and battled right to the end …. if you look at it 3 errors by Henderson this week as cost us .. cheated  goal at Crewe cost us , and of course the loss of both Stockley and Washington when they were both on fire all gone against us .. so to show that character today was excellent …. 

    But I blame McG wife fir giving birth this week because with McG in goal we would have won both games 
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    Again, I can’t really see evidence of players not caring which many others seem to see. Again they tried, and like last game, kept trying to the final whistle - this time earning us a point.

    I think it’s justified to claim they are not good enough, though I’m not sure they are this bad. However I think our issues are far more deep set then their ‘application’ on the field. 

    I don’t feel like it’s the players that see us repeating the same patterns of play that see is pass the ball around the back, get caught on the byline, switch it back across the back, get caught on the other byline and then either have to kick it long or make a mistake and lose it.

    Thats been going on since Robinson was coach. 

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  • Bilko
    Bilko Posts: 768
    RonnieMoore said:
    This could be a massive point .. boys kept going and battled right to the end …. if you look at it 3 errors by Henderson this week as cost us .. cheated  goal at Crewe cost us , and of course the loss of both Stockley and Washington when they were both on fire all gone against us .. so to show that character today was excellent …. 

    But I blame McG wife fir giving birth this week because with McG in goal we would have won both games 
    I’ll have what your having 😂
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,454
    At least we didn't lose.
  • kentred2
    kentred2 Posts: 2,338
    Still building so going to be poor?
    Eg cant play 5 3 2 with no wing backs on the club books or a ball playing centre half or two solid midfielders alongside Dobson. (Missing goalscorer solved?)
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    Fortunately only goals scored matter. 
  • masicat
    masicat Posts: 5,008
    Bad performance made worse being surrounded by foul mouth pikies who celebrate  a 94th minute equaliser at Cheltenham like a World Cup Winner. 
    Clare and Inniss as bad as it gets. Bloody Awful. Need to part company with this lot asap .
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,468
    edited January 2022
    To make a more serious assessment: this is exactly why you push the boat out in terms of fee and wages for Chuks Aneke in League One: because he can make something out of nothing. And he scores goals.

    Imagine if we'd had Burstow and Leko up front again today.

    I think Jacko's assessment was good and honest. We didn't deserve anything today. But we probably have in recent weeks. And it's nice that the pendulum swung back our way.

    That said, there are lots of problems. We looked completely disorganized out of possession. There were huge gaps between our lines. We didn't press. We were awful in possession. Clare and Lee need a rest. Jacko needs to spend the week working on shape in and out of possession. We've basically regressed to somewhere similar to where we were under Adkins, and we need to go back to basics.

    I think changing the formation should be seriously considered. But we've seen this team perform well in this formation. And sometimes changing shape is a way of side stepping larger, more difficult to fix issues around tactical discipline. 

    If we keep the 3-5-2 I think Purrington needs to come back in at LWB, even if he hasn't been at his best in recent weeks. We just don't have any better options on the left. Leko needs to start at RWB. He's inconsistent, but he has the highest upside of our attacking options on that side. We miss Gilbey's running when he's not in the side, even if he's another one who has been off in recent weeks. He's a one man engine room.

    And we need to get the ball down and play. We have a team full of technically gifted but not physically imposing players. This lumping it into channels is madness. You have to feel for Burstow today, he got absolutely nothing. 

    We're going to learn a lot about Jacko as a manager in the next seven days. What you do once teams figure out your plan A is what separates good managers from the rest. He's a good man, and I suspect a good man manager, but we're about to find out how smart he is tactically. 
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,468
    Bangkokaddick said:
    SDAddick said:
    Genuinely still cackling. We deserved -1 points for that. After all the times this had happened to us in the last few years, it's nice to know what it feels like. And it feels...so dumb. 

    The real winner today was the black kits. They are ace. 

    Just a shame Sean Clare thought we were playing in red during the first half!
    After being one of our best performers under Jacko, he was awful today. And it's absolutely fitting that he puts in a very good ball from the LB spot (for some reason) that leads to our goal. 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,736
    SDAddick said:


    If we keep the 3-5-2 I think Purrington needs to come back in at LWB, even if he hasn't been at his best in recent weeks. We just don't have any better options on the left. Leko needs to start at RWB. He's inconsistent, but he has the highest upside of our attacking options on that side. 



     I love Leko but he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the starting line up after his performances this week.
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,468
    Croydon said:
    SDAddick said:


    If we keep the 3-5-2 I think Purrington needs to come back in at LWB, even if he hasn't been at his best in recent weeks. We just don't have any better options on the left. Leko needs to start at RWB. He's inconsistent, but he has the highest upside of our attacking options on that side. 



     I love Leko but he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the starting line up after his performances this week.
    I kind of agree but between DJ, CBT, Matthews, and Leko, who does deserve that RWB shirt? I mean arguably no one. My thinking is Leko at least has a moment of magic going forward that the others don't, even if some of the others are more consistent. 
  • 801912601
    801912601 Posts: 621
    edited January 2022
    Only positives today were that we sold out our ticket allocation, that Innis & Aneke managed to play a full game and we managed to score a goal to avoid a defeat.

    Big negatives were the terrible performances of Henderson, Clare, DJ, Leko, CB-T and Lee. Of today’s & recent performances Henderson, Leko and Lee don’t deserve to have contracts with us next season.

    DJ & CB- T don’t even look interested in playing for the team.

    Don’t know what’s gone wrong within the camp but Jacko needs a big clear out of the squad and bring in new players.

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  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,336
    Croydon said:
    SDAddick said:


    If we keep the 3-5-2 I think Purrington needs to come back in at LWB, even if he hasn't been at his best in recent weeks. We just don't have any better options on the left. Leko needs to start at RWB. He's inconsistent, but he has the highest upside of our attacking options on that side. 



     I love Leko but he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the starting line up after his performances this week.
    I agree thought CBT was better when he came on…..just. Lee is nice on the ball at times but has no athleticism or physicality so needs a rest. I was unsure about Chuks signing but he is just what we need right now. 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,599
    edited January 2022
    When does a draw seem like a win...today, whether it was deserved or not is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, 90+4.. :D ..that always seems to happen to us, so it is nice to dish it out this time, and of course...THE BEAST is back with a goal and  completes 95 minutes, so 1 point, not great but better than nowt...on we go, and well done you traveling Addicks, safe journey home..
  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,828
    RaplhMilne said:
    RodneyCharltonTrotta said:




    We are staying up say we are staying up.  Absolute lions to a man to come back and save that.  Heroes.
    I really hope your tounge in cheek….. Hero’s….. fuck me if none of them ever played again I wouldn’t be bothered. 

    No I wasn't being serious about nicking a point against  the mighty Cheltenham to move us 6 points clear of game in hand morecambe. We're appalling in terms of consistency and going nowhere fast without significant rebuilding in pretty much every area of the team.


  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    SDAddick said:
    Croydon said:
    SDAddick said:


    If we keep the 3-5-2 I think Purrington needs to come back in at LWB, even if he hasn't been at his best in recent weeks. We just don't have any better options on the left. Leko needs to start at RWB. He's inconsistent, but he has the highest upside of our attacking options on that side. 



     I love Leko but he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the starting line up after his performances this week.
    I kind of agree but between DJ, CBT, Matthews, and Leko, who does deserve that RWB shirt? I mean arguably no one. My thinking is Leko at least has a moment of magic going forward that the others don't, even if some of the others are more consistent. 
    None of them do. If we continue to play this formation, we need to bring a RWB in. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited January 2022
    If these players love Jacko and really want him to be the manager I would hate to see them playing for someone they don't like. 

    This week has been no better than us under Adkins nor in the 4 months of hell under Bowyer when he was c***ing them out every week. 
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    Nicholas said:
    Absolute rubbish, Jackson is getting the same level of performance as Adkins did. 
    Amazing how that works, eh? Maybe there is something to learn from this.😬
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    Nadou said:
    Abject performance. Undeserved point. 
    Given all the last gasp points we've given away the last 3 seasons if we get 4-5 more just like this out karma will be even.
  • RedRobin
    RedRobin Posts: 1,377
    We are poo poo 
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,154
    On 12 hours at work just came back to catch the result and read the views here sounded grim. Well done to those that went and safe journey home.
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,468
    edited January 2022
    ricky_otto said:
    SDAddick said:
    Croydon said:
    SDAddick said:


    If we keep the 3-5-2 I think Purrington needs to come back in at LWB, even if he hasn't been at his best in recent weeks. We just don't have any better options on the left. Leko needs to start at RWB. He's inconsistent, but he has the highest upside of our attacking options on that side. 



     I love Leko but he doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the starting line up after his performances this week.
    I kind of agree but between DJ, CBT, Matthews, and Leko, who does deserve that RWB shirt? I mean arguably no one. My thinking is Leko at least has a moment of magic going forward that the others don't, even if some of the others are more consistent. 
    None of them do. If we continue to play this formation, we need to bring a RWB in. 
    I don't necessarily disagree, but if we do that we would have Leko, CBT, Kirk, and DJ, plus Gunter and Matthews, all wingers or fullbacks, in a formation that doesn't utilize any of them as first choice. 

    I know that we're largely already there, but it shows a real lack of joined up thinking between management and recruitment. This is a team that was constructed to play 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. That is, everywhere except the central striker role, where we don't have a forward who plays well on his own (though Aneke, who joined yesterday, can do that, but relying on him week in and week out is not a great idea).

    So when Adkins is fired, Jacko comes in and has to find a formation that utilizes both our glut of wingers, and plays two up front. Playing a 4-4-2 with two out and out wingers is very risky in this day and age as you're often outnumbered in the middle of the pitch. So to be fair to Jacko, I think he has found a formation that provides some balance to our unbalanced squad. The problem is, it's still an unbalanced squad.

    And that's before we get into the fact that we basically have three players (Pearce, Iniss, and Lavelle) for the central CB role because they lack mobility and technical ability to play in the sides of a three, one for the LCB role, and then a litany for the RCB, none of whom are natural CBs. 

    I think we've got some good players for League One. I just don't think they've been arranged and recruited to fit a system. Instead it's been more a case of short term thinking and getting the best available player, and not getting the best available player for a larger system and set up.

    Kirk is the ultimate example of this. He's a good player in a certain role. But that role is LW with an attacking, overlapping LB. And we don't have an attacking, overlapping LB. So what was the thinking there? When we recruited him we had Gunter playing LB, and Purrington to come back. Purrington is not the type to get outside the wingers, get to the byline and cross. He likes to drift inside and get into the box. His crossing is mediocre. 

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