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Charlton Only - January 2022 Transfer Rumours (Deadline Day p.97)
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Ipswich leaked story of our bid to generate a bidding war …..7
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Mark Kinsellakillerandflash said:
We don't have much of a track record of signing players straight from Ireland. Has there been anyone decent since Darren Randolph?Indianaaddick said:Rotherham outbid Plymouth for leading league of Ireland striker Georgie Kelly another one gone.
Stephen Henderson
Darren Randolph
Seems we tend to do better in the goalkeepers more than any other position.0 -
But not every side has a player as brilliant as Pratley.Oggy Red said:
Fraser was excellent last year, I should imagine, because MKD set up to get the best out of his abilities.Bostonaddick said:Fraser was excellent last year. The previous two years for Burton he was a decent midfielder but no where near the level of play from last year. So was last year the anomaly and has reverted back to his actual quality or was Ipswich just not a good fit
When we played them at home, Fraser was allowed to play and MKD took the points.
Playing them away, Bowyer asked Pratley to go everywhere with Fraser and to close him out of the game. MKD couldn't function and Charlton won the game.
That's the problem when the gameplan relies on one player as the fulcrum.
Right now, we certainly don't although Dobson is getting there.2 -
Colchester and West Ham, two of the most famous Irish clubs.Indianaaddick said:
Mark Kinsellakillerandflash said:
We don't have much of a track record of signing players straight from Ireland. Has there been anyone decent since Darren Randolph?Indianaaddick said:Rotherham outbid Plymouth for leading league of Ireland striker Georgie Kelly another one gone.
Stephen Henderson
Darren Randolph
Seems we tend to do better in the goalkeepers more than any other position.11 -
IRVINGHenry Irving said:
But not every side has a player as brilliant as Pratley.Oggy Red said:
Fraser was excellent last year, I should imagine, because MKD set up to get the best out of his abilities.Bostonaddick said:Fraser was excellent last year. The previous two years for Burton he was a decent midfielder but no where near the level of play from last year. So was last year the anomaly and has reverted back to his actual quality or was Ipswich just not a good fit
When we played them at home, Fraser was allowed to play and MKD took the points.
Playing them away, Bowyer asked Pratley to go everywhere with Fraser and to close him out of the game. MKD couldn't function and Charlton won the game.
That's the problem when the gameplan relies on one player as the fulcrum.
Right now, we certainly don't although Dobson is getting there.0 -
But look at what he would be giving up….Leko tackling himself, Pearce tripping over his own boot laces, Famewo smashing the ball as hard as he can to no one, Watson being so slow out of the changing room that the lights go out before he does and players doing tunnel jumps after beating the mighty Fleetwood Town….all things that you can’t put a price on. Stay in league 1 Mason - leaving the brave Papa Johns trophy 1/4 finalists for the Champions League holders is a mistake.Clem_Snide said:If we were top half Premier League and Chelsea came after Burstow he would go. If they come now he will go. Money and opportunity talk in this game. If at 18 they wave 10-12k a week under his nose, incentives for his parents etc etc then who can blame him for moving on?And I bet Abramovich hasn’t written his own song.3 -
You seem to be living in the past.addick1956 said:
Two seasons of football at 24...really, how exhausting. By the time Billy Bonds was 21 he had played 2 plus seasons and went on to play 663 more for West Ham.WSS said:
He hasn't really progressed?!killerandflash said:
The fee for Lookman for example was pretty decent, indeed he hasn't really progressed much since thenAddicksAddict said:
If he went for £20,000,000, would any of us be disappointed? For £2,000,000, I know we all would.Tunwellsaddick said:"We will not be selling our good young players" or words to that effect. This is a vital test now with Burstow.
I will be absolutely gutted if he goes.
You think he'd have been better off staying at Charlton? 82 appearances in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga by the age of 24?
Paul Went had played 50 for Leyton Orient by the time he was 17 and came to Charlton.
Alan Campbell had played 198 games by the time he was 21 !
Likewise Mike Bailey 151 by the time he was 24, Lennie Glover 177 by the age of 24.
All youth products , mostly ours . They'll had long careers too.
82 by the cage of 24 is part time football really.
And you're not adding things up.
82 in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga and 45 games for us. 150 in total. 25 appearances per season on average since his breakthrough is pretty good.7 -
killerandflash said:The fee for Lookman for example was pretty decent, indeed he hasn't really progressed much since then
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Can't be arsed if Burstow goes. Valley Gold membership each season to buy players that we get to see for a few months if they are half decent and have potential at playing at the higher level and they leave.
If that is our business model now and we are now a Crewe or Peterborough then so be it but I won't be forking out for it each season if players are just going to be sell on commodities. Not even worth having the VG priority tickets when we're not in the same league as millwall or palace as we are shite in the cup in both results and draws.
All our decent prospects end up going to Championship or Premier league clubs to bolster their sides. We don't have the resources and/ or ambition to keep hold of them and perhaps build a team that will progress us up the leagues.
We used to beat Chelsea and Spurs who now use us as loan recipients to develop their abundance of youngsters to be resold at profit or rehab their injured players.
Fed up with it all really. I accept that it's the reality of the modern game but it's shite and makes me wonder what the point of it is as the "one day" optimism and hope that keeps us turning up every week seems even more futile with each passing season.
Seeing the future stars of the premier league for 5 minutes before they're off down the road to villa or whoever doesn't cut it.
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Pratley was good for us, Leuth. I didn't like him at all in the promotion season but he had some superb games in the championship, particularly before Christmas. Limited yes, but good energy, good positional sense, versatile, gave his all.Leuth said:
IRVINGHenry Irving said:
But not every side has a player as brilliant as Pratley.Oggy Red said:
Fraser was excellent last year, I should imagine, because MKD set up to get the best out of his abilities.Bostonaddick said:Fraser was excellent last year. The previous two years for Burton he was a decent midfielder but no where near the level of play from last year. So was last year the anomaly and has reverted back to his actual quality or was Ipswich just not a good fit
When we played them at home, Fraser was allowed to play and MKD took the points.
Playing them away, Bowyer asked Pratley to go everywhere with Fraser and to close him out of the game. MKD couldn't function and Charlton won the game.
That's the problem when the gameplan relies on one player as the fulcrum.
Right now, we certainly don't although Dobson is getting there.6 -
I think we're better off trying to find the next Fraser now, rather than overpaying for the bloke that Ipswich already overpaid for.chev said:
If the deal is the right price, you wouldn't say no of course. But it's clear Ipswich aren't going to sell on the cheap.5 -
I can’t imagine we weren’t in for Twine because of Fraser. We likely didn’t want Twine in the first place, which to me speaks volumes about our recruitment.Cafc43v3r said:
We weren't in for Twine because we thought we had a chance of getting Fraser.felix_31 said:Still can't believe we weren't even in for Twine on a free in the summer
We didn't go for a lot of people because we thought we could get other ones.
Then we waited for clubs like Crewe, Gillingham and others to fold. They didn't. We panicked.
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fixed that for youWSS said:
You seem to be living under a bridgeaddick1956 said:
Two seasons of football at 24...really, how exhausting. By the time Billy Bonds was 21 he had played 2 plus seasons and went on to play 663 more for West Ham.WSS said:
He hasn't really progressed?!killerandflash said:
The fee for Lookman for example was pretty decent, indeed he hasn't really progressed much since thenAddicksAddict said:
If he went for £20,000,000, would any of us be disappointed? For £2,000,000, I know we all would.Tunwellsaddick said:"We will not be selling our good young players" or words to that effect. This is a vital test now with Burstow.
I will be absolutely gutted if he goes.
You think he'd have been better off staying at Charlton? 82 appearances in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga by the age of 24?
Paul Went had played 50 for Leyton Orient by the time he was 17 and came to Charlton.
Alan Campbell had played 198 games by the time he was 21 !
Likewise Mike Bailey 151 by the time he was 24, Lennie Glover 177 by the age of 24.
All youth products , mostly ours . They'll had long careers too.
82 by the cage of 24 is part time football really.
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Just playing my role in the grand comedy of CLwmcf123 said:
Pratley was good for us, Leuth. I didn't like him at all in the promotion season but he had some superb games in the championship, particularly before Christmas. Limited yes, but good energy, good positional sense, versatile, gave his all.Leuth said:
IRVINGHenry Irving said:
But not every side has a player as brilliant as Pratley.Oggy Red said:
Fraser was excellent last year, I should imagine, because MKD set up to get the best out of his abilities.Bostonaddick said:Fraser was excellent last year. The previous two years for Burton he was a decent midfielder but no where near the level of play from last year. So was last year the anomaly and has reverted back to his actual quality or was Ipswich just not a good fit
When we played them at home, Fraser was allowed to play and MKD took the points.
Playing them away, Bowyer asked Pratley to go everywhere with Fraser and to close him out of the game. MKD couldn't function and Charlton won the game.
That's the problem when the gameplan relies on one player as the fulcrum.
Right now, we certainly don't although Dobson is getting there.0 -
addick1956 said:
I looked at our own youth products. These days young players are 'seemingly to delicate to play much. 25 a season is part time. Once every two weeks. Hardly back breaking work. Infact I played more as youth, once playing 3 times over a weekend.WSS said:
You seem to be living in the past.addick1956 said:
Two seasons of football at 24...really, how exhausting. By the time Billy Bonds was 21 he had played 2 plus seasons and went on to play 663 more for West Ham.WSS said:
He hasn't really progressed?!killerandflash said:
The fee for Lookman for example was pretty decent, indeed he hasn't really progressed much since thenAddicksAddict said:
If he went for £20,000,000, would any of us be disappointed? For £2,000,000, I know we all would.Tunwellsaddick said:"We will not be selling our good young players" or words to that effect. This is a vital test now with Burstow.
I will be absolutely gutted if he goes.
You think he'd have been better off staying at Charlton? 82 appearances in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga by the age of 24?
Paul Went had played 50 for Leyton Orient by the time he was 17 and came to Charlton.
Alan Campbell had played 198 games by the time he was 21 !
Likewise Mike Bailey 151 by the time he was 24, Lennie Glover 177 by the age of 24.
All youth products , mostly ours . They'll had long careers too.
82 by the cage of 24 is part time football really.
And you're not adding things up.
82 in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga and 45 games for us. 150 in total. 25 appearances per season on average since his breakthrough is pretty good.
The hoary old living in the past jibe cuts no ice here. I cannot hardly quote from the bfuture can I ?
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Fraser? So brilliant we controlled the game and won 2-0.Cafc43v3r said:
He wasn't brilliant for Ipswich against us this season.Oggy Red said:
Fraser was excellent last year, I should imagine, because MKD set up to get the best out of his abilities.Bostonaddick said:Fraser was excellent last year. The previous two years for Burton he was a decent midfielder but no where near the level of play from last year. So was last year the anomaly and has reverted back to his actual quality or was Ipswich just not a good fit
When we played them at home, Fraser was allowed to play and MKD took the points.
Playing them away, Bowyer asked Pratley to go everywhere with Fraser and to close him out of the game. MKD couldn't function and Charlton won the game.
That's the problem when the gameplan relies on one player as the fulcrum.
edit: not got my glasses on and have noticed the n't at the end of was....my bad2 -
The players don’t seem to be moaning about playing too much these days it’s the management. And so what? Times change, things get better, easier, we work smarter not harder, that’s modern life. Why would you want to run an 18 year olds legs off just so we can say “well I played 8 times a week in 1976”.addick1956 said:
I looked at our own youth products. These days young players are 'seemingly to delicate to play much. 25 a season is part time. Once every two weeks. Hardly back breaking work. Infact I played more as youth, once playing 3 times over a weekend.WSS said:
You seem to be living in the past.addick1956 said:
Two seasons of football at 24...really, how exhausting. By the time Billy Bonds was 21 he had played 2 plus seasons and went on to play 663 more for West Ham.WSS said:
He hasn't really progressed?!killerandflash said:
The fee for Lookman for example was pretty decent, indeed he hasn't really progressed much since thenAddicksAddict said:
If he went for £20,000,000, would any of us be disappointed? For £2,000,000, I know we all would.Tunwellsaddick said:"We will not be selling our good young players" or words to that effect. This is a vital test now with Burstow.
I will be absolutely gutted if he goes.
You think he'd have been better off staying at Charlton? 82 appearances in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga by the age of 24?
Paul Went had played 50 for Leyton Orient by the time he was 17 and came to Charlton.
Alan Campbell had played 198 games by the time he was 21 !
Likewise Mike Bailey 151 by the time he was 24, Lennie Glover 177 by the age of 24.
All youth products , mostly ours . They'll had long careers too.
82 by the cage of 24 is part time football really.
And you're not adding things up.
82 in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga and 45 games for us. 150 in total. 25 appearances per season on average since his breakthrough is pretty good.
The hoary old living in the past jibe cuts no ice here. I cannot hardly quote from the bfuture can I ?3 -
should have got him in the summer along with Twine. But we dithered & delayed and finally had to go for Lee towards deadline day.ForeverAddickted said:
You snooze you lose.6 -
When was you born then @addick1956?addick1956 said:
I looked at our own youth products. These days young players are 'seemingly to delicate to play much. 25 a season is part time. Once every two weeks. Hardly back breaking work. Infact I played more as youth, once playing 3 times over a weekend.WSS said:
You seem to be living in the past.addick1956 said:
Two seasons of football at 24...really, how exhausting. By the time Billy Bonds was 21 he had played 2 plus seasons and went on to play 663 more for West Ham.WSS said:
He hasn't really progressed?!killerandflash said:
The fee for Lookman for example was pretty decent, indeed he hasn't really progressed much since thenAddicksAddict said:
If he went for £20,000,000, would any of us be disappointed? For £2,000,000, I know we all would.Tunwellsaddick said:"We will not be selling our good young players" or words to that effect. This is a vital test now with Burstow.
I will be absolutely gutted if he goes.
You think he'd have been better off staying at Charlton? 82 appearances in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga by the age of 24?
Paul Went had played 50 for Leyton Orient by the time he was 17 and came to Charlton.
Alan Campbell had played 198 games by the time he was 21 !
Likewise Mike Bailey 151 by the time he was 24, Lennie Glover 177 by the age of 24.
All youth products , mostly ours . They'll had long careers too.
82 by the cage of 24 is part time football really.
And you're not adding things up.
82 in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga and 45 games for us. 150 in total. 25 appearances per season on average since his breakthrough is pretty good.
The hoary old living in the past jibe cuts no ice here. I cannot hardly quote from the bfuture can I ?9 - Sponsored links:
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During an era when training was 3 laps round the pitch, a run up and down the terraces, followed by a sprint.Gribbo said:
When was you born then @addick1956?addick1956 said:
I looked at our own youth products. These days young players are 'seemingly to delicate to play much. 25 a season is part time. Once every two weeks. Hardly back breaking work. Infact I played more as youth, once playing 3 times over a weekend.WSS said:
You seem to be living in the past.addick1956 said:
Two seasons of football at 24...really, how exhausting. By the time Billy Bonds was 21 he had played 2 plus seasons and went on to play 663 more for West Ham.WSS said:
He hasn't really progressed?!killerandflash said:
The fee for Lookman for example was pretty decent, indeed he hasn't really progressed much since thenAddicksAddict said:
If he went for £20,000,000, would any of us be disappointed? For £2,000,000, I know we all would.Tunwellsaddick said:"We will not be selling our good young players" or words to that effect. This is a vital test now with Burstow.
I will be absolutely gutted if he goes.
You think he'd have been better off staying at Charlton? 82 appearances in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga by the age of 24?
Paul Went had played 50 for Leyton Orient by the time he was 17 and came to Charlton.
Alan Campbell had played 198 games by the time he was 21 !
Likewise Mike Bailey 151 by the time he was 24, Lennie Glover 177 by the age of 24.
All youth products , mostly ours . They'll had long careers too.
82 by the cage of 24 is part time football really.
And you're not adding things up.
82 in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga and 45 games for us. 150 in total. 25 appearances per season on average since his breakthrough is pretty good.
The hoary old living in the past jibe cuts no ice here. I cannot hardly quote from the bfuture can I ?
The hard work, tactics and team building was done in the pub over a pint and a fag.
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`I know Fraser hasn't pulled up trees for Ipswich this season, but he was my number 1 target I wanted us to get last season, along with Camara from Plymouth, as he was outstanding for MK Dons last season so it is definitely a yes from me if we can get him.
Ipswich bought so many players over the summer, not all were going to work. We can get Piggott off them too as he doesn't seem to be getting any game time.6 -
Sounds like being a supporter in the 80sOggy Red said:
During an era when training was 3 laps round the pitch, a run up and down the terraces, followed by a sprint.Gribbo said:
When was you born then @addick1956?addick1956 said:
I looked at our own youth products. These days young players are 'seemingly to delicate to play much. 25 a season is part time. Once every two weeks. Hardly back breaking work. Infact I played more as youth, once playing 3 times over a weekend.WSS said:
You seem to be living in the past.addick1956 said:
Two seasons of football at 24...really, how exhausting. By the time Billy Bonds was 21 he had played 2 plus seasons and went on to play 663 more for West Ham.WSS said:
He hasn't really progressed?!killerandflash said:
The fee for Lookman for example was pretty decent, indeed he hasn't really progressed much since thenAddicksAddict said:
If he went for £20,000,000, would any of us be disappointed? For £2,000,000, I know we all would.Tunwellsaddick said:"We will not be selling our good young players" or words to that effect. This is a vital test now with Burstow.
I will be absolutely gutted if he goes.
You think he'd have been better off staying at Charlton? 82 appearances in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga by the age of 24?
Paul Went had played 50 for Leyton Orient by the time he was 17 and came to Charlton.
Alan Campbell had played 198 games by the time he was 21 !
Likewise Mike Bailey 151 by the time he was 24, Lennie Glover 177 by the age of 24.
All youth products , mostly ours . They'll had long careers too.
82 by the cage of 24 is part time football really.
And you're not adding things up.
82 in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga and 45 games for us. 150 in total. 25 appearances per season on average since his breakthrough is pretty good.
The hoary old living in the past jibe cuts no ice here. I cannot hardly quote from the bfuture can I ?
The hard work, tactics and team building was done in the pub over a pint and a fag.2 -
Oggy Red said:
During an era when training was 3 laps round the pitch, a run up and down the terraces, followed by a sprint.Gribbo said:
When was you born then @addick1956?addick1956 said:
I looked at our own youth products. These days young players are 'seemingly to delicate to play much. 25 a season is part time. Once every two weeks. Hardly back breaking work. Infact I played more as youth, once playing 3 times over a weekend.WSS said:
You seem to be living in the past.addick1956 said:
Two seasons of football at 24...really, how exhausting. By the time Billy Bonds was 21 he had played 2 plus seasons and went on to play 663 more for West Ham.WSS said:
He hasn't really progressed?!killerandflash said:
The fee for Lookman for example was pretty decent, indeed he hasn't really progressed much since thenAddicksAddict said:
If he went for £20,000,000, would any of us be disappointed? For £2,000,000, I know we all would.Tunwellsaddick said:"We will not be selling our good young players" or words to that effect. This is a vital test now with Burstow.
I will be absolutely gutted if he goes.
You think he'd have been better off staying at Charlton? 82 appearances in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga by the age of 24?
Paul Went had played 50 for Leyton Orient by the time he was 17 and came to Charlton.
Alan Campbell had played 198 games by the time he was 21 !
Likewise Mike Bailey 151 by the time he was 24, Lennie Glover 177 by the age of 24.
All youth products , mostly ours . They'll had long careers too.
82 by the cage of 24 is part time football really.
And you're not adding things up.
82 in the PL, 22 in the Bundesliga and 45 games for us. 150 in total. 25 appearances per season on average since his breakthrough is pretty good.
The hoary old living in the past jibe cuts no ice here. I cannot hardly quote from the bfuture can I ?
The hard work, tactics and team building was done in the dressing room over a pint and a fag at half time.
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Whatever happened to that Wigan midfielder we were after last summer - the one it was said failed a medical here?
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I like Fraser but we really seem to have a thing about signing players who do well against us.
And that is a very bad barometer, because we are bloody easy to play well against!7 -
Solomon-Otabor? Signed for St Johnstone in scotlandOggy Red said:Whatever happened to that Wigan midfielder we were after last summer - the one it was said failed a medical here?3 -
Viv Solomon-Otabor? Just left St Johnstone after a short term contract expired. Did manage 7 games in 6 weeks though......Oggy Red said:Whatever happened to that Wigan midfielder we were after last summer - the one it was said failed a medical here?
Could sign outside of the window.2 -
Sounds promising.Cafc43v3r said:
Viv Solomon-Otabor? Just left St Johnstone after a short term contract expired. Did manage 7 games in 6 weeks though......Oggy Red said:Whatever happened to that Wigan midfielder we were after last summer - the one it was said failed a medical here?
Could sign outside of the window.
I heard our Meds team are worried about a drop off in client numbers.
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Oggy Red said:Whatever happened to that Wigan midfielder we were after last summer - the one it was said failed a medical here?
Viv Solomon-Otabar- dodgy knee, so no thanks. With tighter squad restrictions coming in next year, we need to give greater importance to recruiting players that can last a season.1
