Give Jacko The Job (He got given it on page 31...)

WSS · February 2022

Croydon said:

Scoham said:

Bit more clarification on JJs contract
https://twitter.com/richcawleyslp/status/1492060889008254977?s=21

Don't think there's anything wrong with this as a contract, unless the league position is unrealistic (top 6).

JJ shouldn't be talking to the press about shit like this. Just win games, that's your job.

If he got asked the question and just said "no comment", would that be any better?

JohnnyH2 · February 2022

Croydon said:

Scoham said:

Bit more clarification on JJs contract
https://twitter.com/richcawleyslp/status/1492060889008254977?s=21

Don't think there's anything wrong with this as a contract, unless the league position is unrealistic (top 6).

JJ shouldn't be talking to the press about shit like this. Just win games, that's your job.

But that is the point Jacko is winning games, loads of them since taking over. Its ridiculous/unrealistic to suggest a team that was 3rd bottom in October just start winning all the time (not that is what you said). The record he has since taking over is more than sufficient to go into next season, start your planning now, identify the targets.

This target stuff looks great on paper/other industries but does it work in Football Management? Lets suppose for a second his target for next season is to go up. Next season plays out and we end up in a 3 way battle for promotion, and end up in 3rd place on the last day of the season. Are we suggesting that we don't know who the Manager will be for the following season until we find out the result of the play offs?

Dazzler21 · February 2022

Maccn05 said:

Why is everyone assuming JJ has run to the press and not just answered a question? Even JJ can’t compete with Sandgaard god status polls.

I said from the start Sandgaard didn’t want him and was forced into the appointment. He’ll sack him in the summer no doubt.

Everyone said TS KPI based contract was a business masterpiece (of course they did) but now we face more months of uncertainty.

Varney said they were talking to new players in March, who signs not knowing the manager? Why would Conor re-sign not knowing JJ’s in charge, remember Adkins bombed him out.

You also appoint somebody new and are then late to get his targets in and end up with fucking Soure & Arter again.

The good news is when you get your wish and JJ gets sacked for finishing 13th instead of 12th we can get a new man in, a bunch of new players in signed by another manager and whole fiasco can start again.

Let’s face it the appointments & Recruitment has been spot on so far hasn’t it.

Back the man, plan early and get some stability

Do you think it's professional to put what he's said in the media?

Whilst I don't like the sound of the contract, Jackson signed it and now as he looks unlikely to achieve the goals set out he's speaking out in an unprofessional way to the media.

IF Sandgaard sacks him for not making 6th it's his bed... and when we fail to be promoted... AGAIN it will be indefensible.

Maccn05 · February 2022

People talking about needed experienced managers take a look at the L1 & L2 tables and the coaches in charge.

Those that are succeeding or over-performing are the new inexperienced new breed of modern coaches, coaching is changing right now and JJ is part of that and Adkins is evidence of that.

L1
- Rotherham- Paul Warne - 1st
- Wigan- Leam Richardson - 2nd
- MK - Liam Manning - 3rd
- Plymouth - Schumacher / Lowe - 8th

L2
- Forrest Green - Rob Edwards - 1st
- Sutton Utd - Matt Grey - 4th
- Exeter - Matt Taylor 6th
- Newport - - 7th

I don’t see Bruce, Warnock and the like at clubs or successful

JohnnyH2 · February 2022

Dazzler21 said:

Maccn05 said:

Why is everyone assuming JJ has run to the press and not just answered a question? Even JJ can’t compete with Sandgaard god status polls.

I said from the start Sandgaard didn’t want him and was forced into the appointment. He’ll sack him in the summer no doubt.

Everyone said TS KPI based contract was a business masterpiece (of course they did) but now we face more months of uncertainty.

Varney said they were talking to new players in March, who signs not knowing the manager? Why would Conor re-sign not knowing JJ’s in charge, remember Adkins bombed him out.

You also appoint somebody new and are then late to get his targets in and end up with fucking Soure & Arter again.

The good news is when you get your wish and JJ gets sacked for finishing 13th instead of 12th we can get a new man in, a bunch of new players in signed by another manager and whole fiasco can start again.

Let’s face it the appointments & Recruitment has been spot on so far hasn’t it.

Back the man, plan early and get some stability

Do you think it's professional to put what he's said in the media?

Whilst I don't like the sound of the contract, Jackson signed it and now as he looks unlikely to achieve the goals set out he's speaking out in an unprofessional way to the media.

IF Sandgaard sacks him for not making 6th it's his bed... and when we fail to be promoted... AGAIN it will be indefensible.

Is it unprofessional when asked where we are at in signing those players whose contract is up at the end of the season that those players are waiting on to see what happens with the Manager?

No one knows what the target is, but IF it is to reach 6th this season (from 3rd bottom in later October) then that is the fault of TS who will have to deal with the fall out if Jacko does the job he is currently doing and promptly finds work at a club with more realistic aims/ambitions.

ShootersHillGuru · February 2022

WSS said:

Croydon said:

Scoham said:

Bit more clarification on JJs contract
https://twitter.com/richcawleyslp/status/1492060889008254977?s=21

Don't think there's anything wrong with this as a contract, unless the league position is unrealistic (top 6).

JJ shouldn't be talking to the press about shit like this. Just win games, that's your job.

If he got asked the question and just said "no comment", would that be any better?

I think Jackson has to get this squad top 12 to be safe for next season. Below that and we’ve really had a bummer. Not saying TS would pull the trigger at below 12th but Johnnies best bet is to get more points on the board. He’s got to show that he can get the best out of what’s available. That’s a requirement at league one level. No team is going to be strong everywhere.

JohnnyH2 · February 2022

ShootersHillGuru said:

WSS said:

Croydon said:

Scoham said:

Bit more clarification on JJs contract
https://twitter.com/richcawleyslp/status/1492060889008254977?s=21

Don't think there's anything wrong with this as a contract, unless the league position is unrealistic (top 6).

JJ shouldn't be talking to the press about shit like this. Just win games, that's your job.

If he got asked the question and just said "no comment", would that be any better?

I think Jackson has to get this squad top 12 to be safe for next season. Below that and we’ve really had a bummer. Not saying TS would pull the trigger at below 12th but Johnnies best bet is to get more points on the board. He’s got to show that he can get the best out of what’s available. That’s a requirement at league one level. No team is going to be strong everywhere.

What difference does it make if we finish 11th or 13th?

He has shown he is capable of doing the job, whereas TS record so far in terms of staff recruitment on the football side is still unproven (Roddy/Adkins). Surely stability is now required, which is exactly what Jacko has brought us since last October.

shine166 · February 2022

JohnnyH2 said:

Dazzler21 said:

Maccn05 said:

Why is everyone assuming JJ has run to the press and not just answered a question? Even JJ can’t compete with Sandgaard god status polls.

I said from the start Sandgaard didn’t want him and was forced into the appointment. He’ll sack him in the summer no doubt.

Everyone said TS KPI based contract was a business masterpiece (of course they did) but now we face more months of uncertainty.

Varney said they were talking to new players in March, who signs not knowing the manager? Why would Conor re-sign not knowing JJ’s in charge, remember Adkins bombed him out.

You also appoint somebody new and are then late to get his targets in and end up with fucking Soure & Arter again.

The good news is when you get your wish and JJ gets sacked for finishing 13th instead of 12th we can get a new man in, a bunch of new players in signed by another manager and whole fiasco can start again.

Let’s face it the appointments & Recruitment has been spot on so far hasn’t it.

Back the man, plan early and get some stability

Do you think it's professional to put what he's said in the media?

Whilst I don't like the sound of the contract, Jackson signed it and now as he looks unlikely to achieve the goals set out he's speaking out in an unprofessional way to the media.

IF Sandgaard sacks him for not making 6th it's his bed... and when we fail to be promoted... AGAIN it will be indefensible.

Is it unprofessional when asked where we are at in signing those players whose contract is up at the end of the season that those players are waiting on to see what happens with the Manager?

No one knows what the target is, but IF it is to reach 6th this season (from 3rd bottom in later October) then that is the fault of TS who will have to deal with the fall out if Jacko does the job he is currently doing and promptly finds work at a club with more realistic aims/ambitions.

Was it a shotgun or a AK, that was held to JJs head when he agreed to his current deal barely 4 months ago ?

soapy_jones · February 2022

Are we all not judged on results?

Now, there may be a few hereditary peers on this site but I suspect TS has been playing in the real world (it's not all air guitar you know) along with all of us.

I hope Jacko knocks it out of the park but he knew his squad when he took the role. Niave he ain't. I also hope he's here next season.

Gravesend_Addick · February 2022

If results were based purely on Jackson's reign we'd be 4th. That's a much fairer way of reviewing how he's done

ShootersHillGuru · February 2022

Gravesend_Addick said:

If results were based purely on Jackson's reign we'd be 4th. That's a much fairer way of reviewing how he's done

That’s not really a reality though is it. All we do know is that he’s safe for this season. It’s up to the results the team get that might decide next.

Gravesend_Addick · February 2022

ShootersHillGuru said:

Gravesend_Addick said:

If results were based purely on Jackson's reign we'd be 4th. That's a much fairer way of reviewing how he's done

That’s not really a reality though is it. All we do know is that he’s safe for this season. It’s up to the results the team get that might decide next.

The article on the previous page suggests otherwise

JohnnyH2 · February 2022

shine166 said:

JohnnyH2 said:

Dazzler21 said:

Maccn05 said:

Why is everyone assuming JJ has run to the press and not just answered a question? Even JJ can’t compete with Sandgaard god status polls.

I said from the start Sandgaard didn’t want him and was forced into the appointment. He’ll sack him in the summer no doubt.

Everyone said TS KPI based contract was a business masterpiece (of course they did) but now we face more months of uncertainty.

Varney said they were talking to new players in March, who signs not knowing the manager? Why would Conor re-sign not knowing JJ’s in charge, remember Adkins bombed him out.

You also appoint somebody new and are then late to get his targets in and end up with fucking Soure & Arter again.

The good news is when you get your wish and JJ gets sacked for finishing 13th instead of 12th we can get a new man in, a bunch of new players in signed by another manager and whole fiasco can start again.

Let’s face it the appointments & Recruitment has been spot on so far hasn’t it.

Back the man, plan early and get some stability

Do you think it's professional to put what he's said in the media?

Whilst I don't like the sound of the contract, Jackson signed it and now as he looks unlikely to achieve the goals set out he's speaking out in an unprofessional way to the media.

IF Sandgaard sacks him for not making 6th it's his bed... and when we fail to be promoted... AGAIN it will be indefensible.

Is it unprofessional when asked where we are at in signing those players whose contract is up at the end of the season that those players are waiting on to see what happens with the Manager?

No one knows what the target is, but IF it is to reach 6th this season (from 3rd bottom in later October) then that is the fault of TS who will have to deal with the fall out if Jacko does the job he is currently doing and promptly finds work at a club with more realistic aims/ambitions.

Was it a shotgun or a AK, that was held to JJs head when he agreed to his current deal barely 4 months ago ?

Jacko did accept the offer. And with a few more months under his belt he has very little at this time to lose as he will find work very quickly and he can say stuff this. We on the other hand will yet again be looking for another manager. Fair enough as no one is bigger than the club, but it would be nice to have a bit of stability

Maccn05 · February 2022

Dazzler21 said:

Maccn05 said:

Why is everyone assuming JJ has run to the press and not just answered a question? Even JJ can’t compete with Sandgaard god status polls.

I said from the start Sandgaard didn’t want him and was forced into the appointment. He’ll sack him in the summer no doubt.

Everyone said TS KPI based contract was a business masterpiece (of course they did) but now we face more months of uncertainty.

Varney said they were talking to new players in March, who signs not knowing the manager? Why would Conor re-sign not knowing JJ’s in charge, remember Adkins bombed him out.

You also appoint somebody new and are then late to get his targets in and end up with fucking Soure & Arter again.

The good news is when you get your wish and JJ gets sacked for finishing 13th instead of 12th we can get a new man in, a bunch of new players in signed by another manager and whole fiasco can start again.

Let’s face it the appointments & Recruitment has been spot on so far hasn’t it.

Back the man, plan early and get some stability

Do you think it's professional to put what he's said in the media?

Whilst I don't like the sound of the contract, Jackson signed it and now as he looks unlikely to achieve the goals set out he's speaking out in an unprofessional way to the media.

IF Sandgaard sacks him for not making 6th it's his bed... and when we fail to be promoted... AGAIN it will be indefensible.

It depends on the context if he was asked how is it going with regards to contract extensions and planning for next season then I think his answer is fair and factual.

If he’s forced into a conversation to make a point then no it’s not professional.

One problem with this contract is when do you make a call on May the whatever? That’s too late for a myriad of of reasons.

We can all say “well he signed the contract” but really what could he do? He’s desperate to manage and to manage us. He’s got a nut ball of owner who will only offer him a KPI’d contract - he either walks or takes a punt.

For sure TS won’t get away with this format if he went for a Wilder or Howe as some nutters on here as suggested.

balham red · February 2022

Gravesend_Addick said:

If results were based purely on Jackson's reign we'd be 4th. That's a much fairer way of reviewing how he's done

Anyone looking at Jackson's reign objectively can see there has been 2 phases. He earned his contract from the first phase when we were playing brilliantly. That there is the potential of these players.

The second phase since he became permanent has been shite let's be honest. We've fluked a few wins unconvincingly but mainly it's been dross. He's got plenty, plenty of games until the end of the season to prove he can make the team perform to even 80% of the first phase and he'd be fine.

The truth is, he's doubting his own ability to get the best out of the team now.

Maccn05 · February 2022

Is is it JJ’s ability or these players?

As 3 managers have now failed to get this bunch of wannabes to perform consistently

SELR_addicks · February 2022

Athletico Charlton said:

SELR_addicks said:

LargeAddick said:

we are going to be in League One next season so whether we finish 8th or 13th who cares? Just give Jackson the clarity he needs now and let him rebuild for next season. I'm not convinced he is the answer long term but am willing to give him a bash next season but to do so he needs to build a squad of his players. If he then ultimately fails he can't blame recruitment. He needs clarity now because we should already be talking to players agents now.

Tbh I think it's less about league position with TS, it's about performances and whether it looks like Jackson has turned it around.

Jackson is getting fidgety because he's worried he's not really performing as well as he expected.

Going to the press to whine about an extension, after already going to the press to whine during his interim period doesn't really seem the most professional thing in the world.

TS has given him a contract with extension options based entirely on league position (source:TS). But in your view it is not about league position but performances. Righto.

As for Jackson (1.74 points a game average, 4th in form table since taking over) getting fidgety because he is not performing as well as expected. Really?

Honestly, we were 2nd bottom, playing dross, more than a win away from safety when he took over. We are not safe with top 4 form. There has been poor games, particularly when the backbone of our team (Stockley, Innis, Lavelle) have been injured but that is hardly surprising.

Those critisising Jackson need to get a sense of realism.

I have no idea of he will be a success long term but the time he has stuck with us, his patience and clear desire to succeed plus his record to date means he gets my 100% support and it would be mental to get rid of him.

The league position means an automatic extension.

If Jackson doesn't meet those expectations then it's down to Sandgaard himself whether he wants to offer an extension or not. If Jackson finishes bottom half but has a clear style of play, a decent run and looks like he's turning the corner of course TS would give him a new contract.

If he's struggling to find consistent form and falls away at the end of the season, does he have the right plan to gain promotion the next year?

Seems fair enough really. So why is Jackson coming out in the press trying to put pressure on Sandgaard to offer him a new contract in February? Clearly he's not confident that he will be getting one.

shine166 · February 2022

JohnnyH2 said:

shine166 said:

JohnnyH2 said:

Dazzler21 said:

Maccn05 said:

Why is everyone assuming JJ has run to the press and not just answered a question? Even JJ can’t compete with Sandgaard god status polls.

I said from the start Sandgaard didn’t want him and was forced into the appointment. He’ll sack him in the summer no doubt.

Everyone said TS KPI based contract was a business masterpiece (of course they did) but now we face more months of uncertainty.

Varney said they were talking to new players in March, who signs not knowing the manager? Why would Conor re-sign not knowing JJ’s in charge, remember Adkins bombed him out.

You also appoint somebody new and are then late to get his targets in and end up with fucking Soure & Arter again.

The good news is when you get your wish and JJ gets sacked for finishing 13th instead of 12th we can get a new man in, a bunch of new players in signed by another manager and whole fiasco can start again.

Let’s face it the appointments & Recruitment has been spot on so far hasn’t it.

Back the man, plan early and get some stability

Do you think it's professional to put what he's said in the media?

Whilst I don't like the sound of the contract, Jackson signed it and now as he looks unlikely to achieve the goals set out he's speaking out in an unprofessional way to the media.

IF Sandgaard sacks him for not making 6th it's his bed... and when we fail to be promoted... AGAIN it will be indefensible.

Is it unprofessional when asked where we are at in signing those players whose contract is up at the end of the season that those players are waiting on to see what happens with the Manager?

No one knows what the target is, but IF it is to reach 6th this season (from 3rd bottom in later October) then that is the fault of TS who will have to deal with the fall out if Jacko does the job he is currently doing and promptly finds work at a club with more realistic aims/ambitions.

Was it a shotgun or a AK, that was held to JJs head when he agreed to his current deal barely 4 months ago ?

Jacko did accept the offer. And with a few more months under his belt he has very little at this time to lose as he will find work very quickly and he can say stuff this. We on the other hand will yet again be looking for another manager. Fair enough as no one is bigger than the club, but it would be nice to have a bit of stability

Hes not going anywhere, which is why this whole saga is even more annoying.

paulfox · February 2022

Maccn05 said:

Is is it JJ’s ability or these players?

As 3 managers have now failed to get this bunch of wannabes to perform consistently

Could be a combination of the two, hindsight is a great thing I know, however there was no need to make JJ permanent until the end of the season, my worry was always wether promoting from within would be a continuation of anything bad that was happening eventually, admittedly it looked like that worry wasn’t to be so. The contract situation posted by Cawley, I think is perfectly reasonable, TS already has an issue with the way football is going with regard to agents, he probably is thinking he also doesn’t really want to pay out under performing managers aswell, basically not wanting his pants pulled down by both. Unfortunately it appears the pulling down of pants manifests itself throughout right down to the players who seem to be reverting to type and letting down a third manager in a row. They as a group have proved what a good side they can be, so for me there is no excuse, the only thing to be questioned is why after having 100% support JJ seems to not be able to get a consistent tune out of them.

bolloxbolder · February 2022

Gravesend_Addick said:

If results were based purely on Jackson's reign we'd be 4th. That's a much fairer way of reviewing how he's done

Remember to come back at the end of the month with the projection over the season as can't see many points from the next 4 games.

cafctom · February 2022

I think it’s quite easy to blow up what might have just been a passing comment in a wider interview.

He hasn’t “gone whining to the press”, he’s just stated a factor that is part of the complex job he is dealing with. Doesn’t mean he is complaining about it or that he needs to “keep quiet” about it.

We, as fans, are the ones who want to amplify every little comment and turn it into a major debate at times. That’s our choice and habit as supporters. Doesn’t mean there is some conspiracy that Jackson is trying to negotiate things publicly.

Dazzler21 · February 2022

Maccn05 said:

Is is it JJ’s ability or these players?

As 3 managers have now failed to get this bunch of wannabes to perform consistently

It's definitely the players, not their ability though.

I think many of them have the ability, but not the gritty drive and determination needed.

StrikerFirmani · February 2022

balham red said:

Gravesend_Addick said:

If results were based purely on Jackson's reign we'd be 4th. That's a much fairer way of reviewing how he's done

Anyone looking at Jackson's reign objectively can see there has been 2 phases. He earned his contract from the first phase when we were playing brilliantly. That there is the potential of these players.

The second phase since he became permanent has been shite let's be honest. We've fluked a few wins unconvincingly but mainly it's been dross. He's got plenty, plenty of games until the end of the season to prove he can make the team perform to even 80% of the first phase and he'd be fine.

The truth is, he's doubting his own ability to get the best out of the team now.

OR his come to the conclusion most of the squad are not good enough. Which is more likely the case.

In the main most of these players were not performing for Bowyer, then performing for Adkins probably being kept on for the following season motivated them with the new manager. Then they couldn't be arsed and looked unfit etc, they would be here for the rest of the season, (f@ck the manager).

Then they perform to get JJ the job by running their bollocks off for a short period and probably thinking it saves their positions as again a new manger from outside will wield the axe.

Now they can have their rest again because they are only good enough when their working twice as hard, so they revert back to what they are. Average League 1 players.

SELR_addicks · February 2022

cafctom said:

I think it’s quite easy to blow up what might have just been a passing comment in a wider interview.

He hasn’t “gone whining to the press”, he’s just stated a factor that is part of the complex job he is dealing with. Doesn’t mean he is complaining about it or that he needs to “keep quiet” about it.

We, as fans, are the ones who want to amplify every little comment and turn it into a major debate at times. That’s our choice and habit as supporters. Doesn’t mean there is some conspiracy that Jackson is trying to negotiate things publicly.

“I want to start moulding our squad for next season so that if we don’t quite make it this season we have a real strong promotion push next season,” said Jackson. “But there is an element of uncertainty in that regard, including myself – not knowing how it is going to pan out next season."

“We all need to have a little bit of certainty if I’m going to be involved on decision-making on players in the longer term."

“My own future will need addressing before too long."

Doesn't really seem like a passing comment to me. Especially as there's zero other quotes coming out from Jackson today.

The line thrown in about his contract stipulations wasn't really public knowledge before today either was it?

LargeAddick · February 2022

‘If we don’t quite make it this season’. We are a long way off ‘not quite making it’.

Bailey · February 2022

StrikerFirmani said:

balham red said:

Gravesend_Addick said:

If results were based purely on Jackson's reign we'd be 4th. That's a much fairer way of reviewing how he's done

Anyone looking at Jackson's reign objectively can see there has been 2 phases. He earned his contract from the first phase when we were playing brilliantly. That there is the potential of these players.

The second phase since he became permanent has been shite let's be honest. We've fluked a few wins unconvincingly but mainly it's been dross. He's got plenty, plenty of games until the end of the season to prove he can make the team perform to even 80% of the first phase and he'd be fine.

The truth is, he's doubting his own ability to get the best out of the team now.

OR his come to the conclusion most of the squad are not good enough. Which is more likely the case.

In the main most of these players were not performing for Bowyer, then performing for Adkins probably being kept on for the following season motivated them with the new manager. Then they couldn't be arsed and looked unfit etc, they would be here for the rest of the season, (f@ck the manager).

Then they perform to get JJ the job by running their bollocks off for a short period and probably thinking it saves their positions as again a new manger from outside will wield the axe.

Now they can have their rest again because they are only good enough when their working twice as hard, so they revert back to what they are. Average League 1 players.

I think any side who had lost their top scorer may struggle a bit, our form has picked up since we signed Aneke and there is no question that if Stockley were in the mix we would be able to rotate those forwards.

ElliotCAFC · February 2022

He’s done a very good job so far. You can’t really say otherwise considering where he picked us up from and losing Stockley for so long.

The fact he feels his future isn’t secure for next season, a month or so after signing a contract, suggests a real issue behind the scenes.

Billericaydickie · February 2022

It is quite simple.
For Jackson to still be manager in the summer all he needs to do is get the team to produce more performances like Ipswich, Plymouth and Portsmouth and less crap performances like we endured against Wycombe, Creme Alexandra and Hartlepool.

Achieve that and he will still have a job.