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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,781
    cfgs said:
    That Pete Burns account is just repeating what he reads and then stating as what he has been told by his ITK contacts.  Bit like the odd poster on here
    Spot on. That tweet came AFTER it was noticed by @charlton_hero that the player was following CAFC Twitter accounts.

    This fake journo account is one of many that grabs a rumour from elsewhere, slaps a “my contacts say” on it and pretends their source is someone legit.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,781
    edited June 2022
    ElliotCAFC said:
    I’d be surprised if Garner was keen on a defensive fullback.
    Take a look at the clips from the previous page. He gets forward a lot more than Matthews or Gunter ever did.

    Think the fact he *can* play centre back is a bit of a red herring in this instance.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,575
    Rumour from the Charlton Life Normandy coach is that we will be at Calais soon ...
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,108
    That Pete Burns .. He spins me right round like a record 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,781
    Instagram…


  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,515
    Callumcafc said:
    Instagram…


    He's either a Charlton fan, or.......
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,382
    cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 
    We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

    this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  
    Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?
    Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

    I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 


    What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    edited June 2022
    Compared him to Adam Matthews, not much in it, Johnson wins more aerial duals and scores more goals, Adam’s more likely to get an assist and has a much higher pass success rate with 81% compared to Johnson’s 68%. Thought that might be down to long ball attempts but Matthews attempts more per game. 

    Looking at Matthews stats and knowing how Ben Garner wants to play makes it look like we should have kept Matthews haha 

    I’ll judge him from how he plays, but it feels very much like a Ben Purrington/Sean Clare signing. Player can’t get in the team/played out of position so gets transferred. Call me negative but signing a player that Portsmouth didn’t deem good enough doesn’t really excite me. This doesn’t strike me as a long term signing. Incoming 1/2 year contract with an additional year extension in our favour 
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    Scoham said:
    cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 
    We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

    this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  
    Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?
    Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

    I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 


    What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.
    Just someone who hasn’t had 4 solid seasons at League One and spent the last season at Fleetwood who finished lower than us.  To be fair, I don’t know what exciting looks like anymore, so it could be me.  But cumulatively, with just under 6 weeks to go until the start of the season, the 14 that make up the current squad, reading of Bostock, Marquis, this chap and the other scraps I’ve picked up on here, plus the transfer policy of the last 2 seasons, it’s hard to see it being turned around at the moment.

    I might be wanting something that doesn’t exist and being too negative, but just seems like a slog at the moment.  I think Garner’s a decent appointment, but I think the gulf between what we have and the quality we need is big.  Bigger than the names mentioned
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  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,001
    Scoham said:
    cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 
    We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

    this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  
    Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?
    Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

    I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 


    What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.
    Not every signing needs to be "exciting" - yes we do need some real talismanic players to come in but not every single player we sign is going to be a spectacular one.

    This is actually the kind of signing that I'd say shows the (potential) good side of a black box, analytics approach. He's 25 but plenty of experience, he could still push on a level or maybe he's peaked but probably not super expensive gamble and will get the job done.

    Garner's claim to fame is how he managed to turn a makeshift, understrength squad into promo contenders (albeit a league down from us) but he didn't have a squad full of stars. Powell likewise knew that squad unity and character mattered just as much as quality and skill.


    If EVERY signing turns out to be steady Eddie "solid pros" then yes I will start to be concerned. But I fully expect there to be at least a few more of that type to complement what I hope are more ambitious and exciting signings (the likes of McKirdy - hypothetically.)
  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,553
    Callumcafc said:
    ElliotCAFC said:
    I’d be surprised if Garner was keen on a defensive fullback.
    Take a look at the clips from the previous page. He gets forward a lot more than Matthews or Gunter ever did.

    Think the fact he *can* play centre back is a bit of a red herring in this instance.
    You could definitely clip up footage of both Gunter and Matthews overlapping and whipping perfect balls in. 

    From the clips he definitely looks more of a defensive fullback, tall and not particularly agile. A very similar mobility to Ben Purrington - not that it’s a bad thing.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    cabbles said:
    Scoham said:
    cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 
    We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

    this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  
    Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?
    Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

    I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 


    What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.
    Just someone who hasn’t had 4 solid seasons at League One and spent the last season at Fleetwood who finished lower than us.  To be fair, I don’t know what exciting looks like anymore, so it could be me.  But cumulatively, with just under 6 weeks to go until the start of the season, the 14 that make up the current squad, reading of Bostock, Marquis, this chap and the other scraps I’ve picked up on here, plus the transfer policy of the last 2 seasons, it’s hard to see it being turned around at the moment.

    I might be wanting something that doesn’t exist and being too negative, but just seems like a slog at the moment.  I think Garner’s a decent appointment, but I think the gulf between what we have and the quality we need is big.  Bigger than the names mentioned
    Before we signed them Hollands, Stephens, Taylor (M) and Wiggins would have been greatful for 4 solid seasons in league 1.  They had all had at least one year in league 2 and even lower.

    Each player needs to judged on how good they actually are now.  Other wise we end up in the pardox of not being actually able to sign anyone.

    Don't want league 1 players
    Don't want players on the way down
    Don't want other clubs rejects

    Who exactly should a mid table league 1 club be signing?

  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,515
    cabbles said:
    Scoham said:
    cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 
    We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

    this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  
    Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?
    Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

    I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 


    What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.
    Just someone who hasn’t had 4 solid seasons at League One and spent the last season at Fleetwood who finished lower than us.  To be fair, I don’t know what exciting looks like anymore, so it could be me.  But cumulatively, with just under 6 weeks to go until the start of the season, the 14 that make up the current squad, reading of Bostock, Marquis, this chap and the other scraps I’ve picked up on here, plus the transfer policy of the last 2 seasons, it’s hard to see it being turned around at the moment.

    I might be wanting something that doesn’t exist and being too negative, but just seems like a slog at the moment.  I think Garner’s a decent appointment, but I think the gulf between what we have and the quality we need is big.  Bigger than the names mentioned
    ValleyGary said:
    Wouldn’t mind CJ at all, for the simple fact he can play 90 minutes consistently over the course of a season. If a steady freebie right back in allows funds to be spent elsewhere then I’m all for it.
    I think you're both right.  He's solid.

    But Marquis, Bostock also.

    This is just solid.

    I haven't seen a marquee name with any substance.

    We won't get promoted with solid 

    There is no evidence money is going to be spent elsewhere.

    I remain happily open to be surprised.

    But I doubt I will be.
  • ButtleJR
    ButtleJR Posts: 1,587
    Charlton fan asked on twitter if he's any good and got these responses. Sounds good to me. 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,290
    Johnson would be a solid signing I think. But not sure if him and Clare as our 2 right back options is good enough to be challenging at the top end of the table so hopefully another first choice right back will be joining as well
  • cafc4life
    cafc4life Posts: 4,633
    edited June 2022
    Has an ACL injury last game of preseason written all over it don’t it . 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    Seems to be a real lack of talent available compared to previous seasons
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    NabySarr said:
    Johnson would be a solid signing I think. But not sure if him and Clare as our 2 right back options is good enough to be challenging at the top end of the table so hopefully another first choice right back will be joining as well
    If the worst player in your first 11 is a solid if not spectacular 7/10 full back there is no reason you can't get promoted.

    Not the sort of signing that will get you promoted but not the sort of signing that means you can't either. 
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,484
    Tbh I think next week will get a few signings unveiled, some might be done but waiting for the pics, which will be done early this week in training.  It also may see us tease the new shirts and show off the training gear.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    cfgs said:
    Tbh I think next week will get a few signings unveiled, some might be done but waiting for the pics, which will be done early this week in training.  It also may see us tease the new shirts and show off the training gear.
    Have we actually ever done this?
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,484
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cfgs said:
    Tbh I think next week will get a few signings unveiled, some might be done but waiting for the pics, which will be done early this week in training.  It also may see us tease the new shirts and show off the training gear.
    Have we actually ever done this?
    Nope and I have knowledge of absolutely nothing, so probably totally wrong.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,179
    edited June 2022
    Full backs/wing backs are very important in modern football, especially if you play 433 or a back 3.

    No idea if this fella is good or not, but one thing for sure, we shouldn’t be signing cheap ‘make do’ type players at full back. Hopefully he is more than that. 
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    Scoham said:
    cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 
    We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

    this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  
    Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?
    Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

    I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 


    What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.
    Just someone who hasn’t had 4 solid seasons at League One and spent the last season at Fleetwood who finished lower than us.  To be fair, I don’t know what exciting looks like anymore, so it could be me.  But cumulatively, with just under 6 weeks to go until the start of the season, the 14 that make up the current squad, reading of Bostock, Marquis, this chap and the other scraps I’ve picked up on here, plus the transfer policy of the last 2 seasons, it’s hard to see it being turned around at the moment.

    I might be wanting something that doesn’t exist and being too negative, but just seems like a slog at the moment.  I think Garner’s a decent appointment, but I think the gulf between what we have and the quality we need is big.  Bigger than the names mentioned
    Before we signed them Hollands, Stephens, Taylor (M) and Wiggins would have been greatful for 4 solid seasons in league 1.  They had all had at least one year in league 2 and even lower.

    Each player needs to judged on how good they actually are now.  Other wise we end up in the pardox of not being actually able to sign anyone.

    Don't want league 1 players
    Don't want players on the way down
    Don't want other clubs rejects

    Who exactly should a mid table league 1 club be signing?

    In my opinion, none of the players we’ve been linked with on here.  

    Can’t remember what my thoughts were in relation to the above, it was so long ago and you make a good point that some of them were from league 2 and lower.  That being 11 years ago and we were only coming into our third season in League One, with Powell in charge, I was probably a lot more positive.  Fast forward the clock 11 years, the hair is getting more grey, League One has been pretty much our home during the majority year of what, 14 years now, and I see other league One stalwarts like Marquis and this chap being linked (true or untrue) - it doesn’t read great.  

    As to who we should be signing, I would hope there is rumour of a rated Prem youngster perhaps or someone who’s just had a very decent season.  But as you say, we’re a mid table league one team.  Maybe we just aren’t able to get those sorts of players at the moment
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,382
    cabbles said:
    Scoham said:
    cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 
    We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

    this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  
    Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?
    Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

    I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 


    What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.
    Just someone who hasn’t had 4 solid seasons at League One and spent the last season at Fleetwood who finished lower than us.  To be fair, I don’t know what exciting looks like anymore, so it could be me.  But cumulatively, with just under 6 weeks to go until the start of the season, the 14 that make up the current squad, reading of Bostock, Marquis, this chap and the other scraps I’ve picked up on here, plus the transfer policy of the last 2 seasons, it’s hard to see it being turned around at the moment.

    I might be wanting something that doesn’t exist and being too negative, but just seems like a slog at the moment.  I think Garner’s a decent appointment, but I think the gulf between what we have and the quality we need is big.  Bigger than the names mentioned
    Bigger names would be more exciting but that’s partly where we’ve gone wrong in the last few years. Instead of picking out good individuals we’ve seemingly done little actual scouting (when Gallen was working on his own) and had to bring in players known to us like Aneke, Gunter, Matthews, Souare, Arter, CM and Watson. 

    We’ve also signed those we’ve come up against like Stockley, Fraser, Shinnie, Lee and Kirk.

    Our better signings last summer were Dobson and CBT, the type you wouldn’t sign based on being a name or their career history.

    Ideally most signings would be about 23 and sign off the back off two great seasons in League 2 and League 1 but not every signing will fit that mould.

    I’d like to think Johnson’s signing because Garner is happy he fits the system, likes him as a player and personality and is one of the best we can afford in that position.

    Pompey loaned him out so they could bring in Romeo on loan who after a good season is back in the Championship with Cardiff. No doubt we’ll try to get some good loans towards the end of the window and if we get them right some of them will be players that can make a big difference.
  • Arthur_Trudgill
    Arthur_Trudgill Posts: 466
    edited June 2022
    thenewbie said:
    Scoham said:
    cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 
    We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

    this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  
    Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?
    Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

    I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 


    What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.
    Not every signing needs to be "exciting" - yes we do need some real talismanic players to come in but not every single player we sign is going to be a spectacular one.

    This is actually the kind of signing that I'd say shows the (potential) good side of a black box, analytics approach. He's 25 but plenty of experience, he could still push on a level or maybe he's peaked but probably not super expensive gamble and will get the job done.

    Garner's claim to fame is how he managed to turn a makeshift, understrength squad into promo contenders (albeit a league down from us) but he didn't have a squad full of stars. Powell likewise knew that squad unity and character mattered just as much as quality and skill.


    If EVERY signing turns out to be steady Eddie "solid pros" then yes I will start to be concerned. But I fully expect there to be at least a few more of that type to complement what I hope are more ambitious and exciting signings (the likes of McKirdy - hypothetically.)
    Here's my hope for recruitment:
    Sign just enough fitting players to start the season and up to 1 September.
    Start/continue following potential remaining targets from 30 July to asses their match fitness and style in actual current season league matches, with their live manager and team mates.
    Asses how Charlton is performing with its players and style in real league, competitive matches.
    By mid to late August we'll have as good an idea as we'll ever have if one or more target players are a good fit for the current season/team.

    Then do our damnedest to get them.
  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,515
    edited June 2022
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    Scoham said:
    cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 
    We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

    this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  
    Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?
    Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

    I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 


    What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.
    Just someone who hasn’t had 4 solid seasons at League One and spent the last season at Fleetwood who finished lower than us.  To be fair, I don’t know what exciting looks like anymore, so it could be me.  But cumulatively, with just under 6 weeks to go until the start of the season, the 14 that make up the current squad, reading of Bostock, Marquis, this chap and the other scraps I’ve picked up on here, plus the transfer policy of the last 2 seasons, it’s hard to see it being turned around at the moment.

    I might be wanting something that doesn’t exist and being too negative, but just seems like a slog at the moment.  I think Garner’s a decent appointment, but I think the gulf between what we have and the quality we need is big.  Bigger than the names mentioned
    Before we signed them Hollands, Stephens, Taylor (M) and Wiggins would have been greatful for 4 solid seasons in league 1.  They had all had at least one year in league 2 and even lower.

    Each player needs to judged on how good they actually are now.  Other wise we end up in the pardox of not being actually able to sign anyone.

    Don't want league 1 players
    Don't want players on the way down
    Don't want other clubs rejects

    Who exactly should a mid table league 1 club be signing?

    With a top 3 budget, top 3 players!
    Wigan were bloody down the bottom the season before last....
    We can't make excuses that we're crap for being crap!
    Otherwise we may as well give up.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,179
    edited June 2022
    Scoham said:
    cabbles said:
    Scoham said:
    cabbles said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    cabbles said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 
    We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

    this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  
    Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?
    Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

    I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 


    What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.
    Just someone who hasn’t had 4 solid seasons at League One and spent the last season at Fleetwood who finished lower than us.  To be fair, I don’t know what exciting looks like anymore, so it could be me.  But cumulatively, with just under 6 weeks to go until the start of the season, the 14 that make up the current squad, reading of Bostock, Marquis, this chap and the other scraps I’ve picked up on here, plus the transfer policy of the last 2 seasons, it’s hard to see it being turned around at the moment.

    I might be wanting something that doesn’t exist and being too negative, but just seems like a slog at the moment.  I think Garner’s a decent appointment, but I think the gulf between what we have and the quality we need is big.  Bigger than the names mentioned
    Bigger names would be more exciting but that’s partly where we’ve gone wrong in the last few years. Instead of picking out good individuals we’ve seemingly done little actual scouting (when Gallen was working on his own) and had to bring in players known to us like Aneke, Gunter, Matthews, Souare, Arter, CM and Watson. 

    We’ve also signed those we’ve come up against like Stockley, Fraser, Shinnie, Lee and Kirk.

    Our better signings last summer were Dobson and CBT, the type you wouldn’t sign based on being a name or their career history.

    Ideally most signings would be about 23 and sign off the back off two great seasons in League 2 and League 1 but not every signing will fit that mould.

    I’d like to think Johnson’s signing because Garner is happy he fits the system, likes him as a player and personality and is one of the best we can afford in that position.

    Pompey loaned him out so they could bring in Romeo on loan who after a good season is back in the Championship with Cardiff. No doubt we’ll try to get some good loans towards the end of the window and if we get them right some of them will be players that can make a big difference.
    For quite some time now, perhaps going back as far as Hasselbaink, there has been a pretty good inverse relationship between how excited Charlton fans have been at the announcement of a signing and how good that player has actually turned out to be. 

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