Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

Scoham said:

Jonny Williams signing tomorrow according to Facebook

Callumcafc said:

supaclive said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I love how people are loosing their shit because of a month old rumour that Marquis had passed a medical and was going to sign and that is a signal of our intent.

Is there a single credible source of it?

Nobody (hardly anybody) is losing their shit.  This again is what I'm saying.  Anybody that has reservations about things becomes a subject of ridicule or mirth.

WHEN things change and the club SHOWS it's learnt from its mistakes, rather than just saying it has, I'll be on board.

Your posts over the last page or two don’t come across as just having reservations. Closer to actively campaigning against the club and it’s recruitment process.

What about Callum Johnson has provoked such a strong reaction? You say it’s only having reservations but your posts do not read that way. You or I have absolutely no idea how good he may or may not be unless he pulls on the shirt. Why not reserve judgement until then?

What are you expecting and what would realistically satisfy your expectations?

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

supaclive said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I love how people are loosing their shit because of a month old rumour that Marquis had passed a medical and was going to sign and that is a signal of our intent.

Is there a single credible source of it?

Nobody (hardly anybody) is losing their shit.  This again is what I'm saying.  Anybody that has reservations about things becomes a subject of ridicule or mirth.

WHEN things change and the club SHOWS it's learnt from its mistakes, rather than just saying it has, I'll be on board.

Your posts over the last page or two don’t come across as just having reservations. Closer to actively campaigning against the club and it’s recruitment process.

What about Callum Johnson has provoked such a strong reaction? You say it’s only having reservations but your posts do not read that way. You or I have absolutely no idea how good he may or may not be unless he pulls on the shirt. Why not reserve judgement until then?

What are you expecting and what would realistically satisfy your expectations?

Even though I say I remain unconvinced that we haven't learnt from our mistakes and nothing shows me we have yet.

And that when we do, I'll be on board?

We are 14 players less than last season
We had a list of active targets when Garner joined
We started pre season last week 
We go to Spain this week

I repeat.  Until the club actually SHOWS it has learnt from previous mistakes, I remain unconvinced.

Callum Johnson may well be a decent addition.  He'd be better than what currently we have as a natural right back - nothing.

We are told we have a top 3 wage bill.  I haven't seen that replicated on the pitch.

I hope this year is different.

Right now I don't believe it will be.

What is so hard to understand?  You don't need to agree with me, but I fail to see why anybody blindly thinks it is going to change.

You can believe/hope it does.

Right now, NOTHING has.

That is all.

MartinCAFC said:

JohnnyH2 said:

MartinCAFC said:

EugenesAxe said:

MartinCAFC said:

IAgree said:

cfgs said:

Richard J said:

I don't get the over reaction from some about Tucker.I see that Mkd have sold Harry Darling so he will likely be a replacement for him. I guess that is moneyball in action.

With Inniss, Lavelle and Deji a RCB is not a priority especially if we are going to play a flat back four.

Let's see what this week brings.

My guess is pain, angst, bedwetting and people moaning when we do start signing people.  Somebody is always unhappy.  I don't fixate on football the way I used to so I will wait and judge our business after they have had time to settle in. 

It’s not bedwetting & moaning it’s a realistic concern about if we sign good enough players early enough. The recruitment last summer was a debacle, the recruitment of the manager was chaotic and took far far to long and now there is no substantive progress in terms recruitment of players. 

High press, low press, chest press it’s all academic without a squad!

And yet we never go into the first game of the season unable to field a proper team why should next season be any different?

I’m assuming your differentiating between ’proper’ to mean enough players and ‘good’?

I will accept we've gone into recent seasons still needing a bit more quality but the argument here seems to be we need players now because we don't have a squad.

We will have a squad for the opening day, we never fail to so I don't understand the panic which is my point.

Even the most extreme recent example Sunderland away looking back at that starting line up I think most of that starting line up played most of the season for us.

I'll be amazed if come opening day we have to field a load of kids who aren't ready to play. We'll probably still need 1 or 2 more players as always and just like everyone else.

So a bench for the opening game of last season of Ghandor, Clayton, Deji,  Davison, Harness was our squad ready last season?

No and it wasn't the point I was making if the subs bench was ready or not, it clearly wasn't and I'd be surprised if it's ready this season but we still put out a first team strength team who started the game that was more my point even if I didn't word it right. My main point is whoever we play first game we always have a first team strength team on the pitch even if it's nowhere near ready now, lack of players right now isn't going to worry me now, I'll worry about it first game when the first team is picked because whatever the circumstances whoever the owners it's something we always manage to do.

MartinCAFC said:

JohnnyH2 said:

MartinCAFC said:

EugenesAxe said:

MartinCAFC said:

IAgree said:

cfgs said:

Richard J said:

I don't get the over reaction from some about Tucker.I see that Mkd have sold Harry Darling so he will likely be a replacement for him. I guess that is moneyball in action.

With Inniss, Lavelle and Deji a RCB is not a priority especially if we are going to play a flat back four.

Let's see what this week brings.

My guess is pain, angst, bedwetting and people moaning when we do start signing people.  Somebody is always unhappy.  I don't fixate on football the way I used to so I will wait and judge our business after they have had time to settle in. 

It’s not bedwetting & moaning it’s a realistic concern about if we sign good enough players early enough. The recruitment last summer was a debacle, the recruitment of the manager was chaotic and took far far to long and now there is no substantive progress in terms recruitment of players. 

High press, low press, chest press it’s all academic without a squad!

And yet we never go into the first game of the season unable to field a proper team why should next season be any different?

I’m assuming your differentiating between ’proper’ to mean enough players and ‘good’?

I will accept we've gone into recent seasons still needing a bit more quality but the argument here seems to be we need players now because we don't have a squad.

We will have a squad for the opening day, we never fail to so I don't understand the panic which is my point.

Even the most extreme recent example Sunderland away looking back at that starting line up I think most of that starting line up played most of the season for us.

I'll be amazed if come opening day we have to field a load of kids who aren't ready to play. We'll probably still need 1 or 2 more players as always and just like everyone else.

So a bench for the opening game of last season of Ghandor, Clayton, Deji,  Davison, Harness was our squad ready last season?

No and it wasn't the point I was making if the subs bench was ready or not, it clearly wasn't and I'd be surprised if it's ready this season but we still put out a first team strength team who started the game that was more my point even if I didn't word it right. My main point is whoever we play first game we always have a first team strength team.

Cafc43v3r said:

cabbles said:

Scoham said:

cabbles said:

Cafc43v3r said:

cabbles said:

cafcfan1990 said:

Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 

We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  

Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?

Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 

What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.

Just someone who hasn’t had 4 solid seasons at League One and spent the last season at Fleetwood who finished lower than us.  To be fair, I don’t know what exciting looks like anymore, so it could be me.  But cumulatively, with just under 6 weeks to go until the start of the season, the 14 that make up the current squad, reading of Bostock, Marquis, this chap and the other scraps I’ve picked up on here, plus the transfer policy of the last 2 seasons, it’s hard to see it being turned around at the moment.

I might be wanting something that doesn’t exist and being too negative, but just seems like a slog at the moment.  I think Garner’s a decent appointment, but I think the gulf between what we have and the quality we need is big.  Bigger than the names mentioned

Before we signed them Hollands, Stephens, Taylor (M) and Wiggins would have been greatful for 4 solid seasons in league 1.  They had all had at least one year in league 2 and even lower.

Each player needs to judged on how good they actually are now.  Other wise we end up in the pardox of not being actually able to sign anyone.

Don't want league 1 players
Don't want players on the way down
Don't want other clubs rejects

Who exactly should a mid table league 1 club be signing?

EugenesAxe said:

Cafc43v3r said:

cabbles said:

Scoham said:

cabbles said:

Cafc43v3r said:

cabbles said:

cafcfan1990 said:

Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter. 

We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than.  That’s not a dig mate.  The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter.  Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteel 

this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said.  It’s hard to get excited.  

Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?

Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment.  As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need.  Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years.  I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.

I just can’t see it.  At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor.  A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing 

What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.

Just someone who hasn’t had 4 solid seasons at League One and spent the last season at Fleetwood who finished lower than us.  To be fair, I don’t know what exciting looks like anymore, so it could be me.  But cumulatively, with just under 6 weeks to go until the start of the season, the 14 that make up the current squad, reading of Bostock, Marquis, this chap and the other scraps I’ve picked up on here, plus the transfer policy of the last 2 seasons, it’s hard to see it being turned around at the moment.

I might be wanting something that doesn’t exist and being too negative, but just seems like a slog at the moment.  I think Garner’s a decent appointment, but I think the gulf between what we have and the quality we need is big.  Bigger than the names mentioned

Before we signed them Hollands, Stephens, Taylor (M) and Wiggins would have been greatful for 4 solid seasons in league 1.  They had all had at least one year in league 2 and even lower.

Each player needs to judged on how good they actually are now.  Other wise we end up in the pardox of not being actually able to sign anyone.

Don't want league 1 players
Don't want players on the way down
Don't want other clubs rejects

Who exactly should a mid table league 1 club be signing?

Players on the way up would be nice, can we have them?

Callumcafc said:

EugenesAxe said:

it can be surprising how naive some can be and how they are willing to accept and follow someone blindly, cannot accept when faced with someone who merely asks for proof and evidence. Surely proof is the minimum required before believing in something?

Don’t see anyone being naive. I think Dazzler has made the most well reasoned post here which sums up the situation from my perspective nicely. 

Unless people are privy to the workings of our recruitment process, no one knows what has or hasn’t changed. And we won’t know if that process has been successful until September at the earliest.

So why the incessant whining every time someone is linked? We are a couple of weeks into a window that lasts 3+ months.

To me, having reservations means reserving judgement. If it has a different definition elsewhere, let me know.

supaclive said:

Cafc43v3r said:

supaclive said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I love how people are loosing their shit because of a month old rumour that Marquis had passed a medical and was going to sign and that is a signal of our intent.

Is there a single credible source of it?

Nobody (hardly anybody) is losing their shit.  This again is what I'm saying.  Anybody that has reservations about things becomes a subject of ridicule or mirth.

WHEN things change and the club SHOWS it's learnt from its mistakes, rather than just saying it has, I'll be on board.

At the same time you, and others, have said signing players like Marquis and Bostock are repeating the mistakes of last season.

I would agree if we had actually signed Marquis and Bostock.  We haven't, there is no credible rumour that we even might.

But we've been heavily linked with them.  And not a lot of other players.   Apart from the new right back (potentially) and a 37 year old centre half.

supaclive said:

Dazzler21 said:

supaclive said:

Dazzler21 said:

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

supaclive said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I love how people are loosing their shit because of a month old rumour that Marquis had passed a medical and was going to sign and that is a signal of our intent.

Is there a single credible source of it?

Nobody (hardly anybody) is losing their shit.  This again is what I'm saying.  Anybody that has reservations about things becomes a subject of ridicule or mirth.

WHEN things change and the club SHOWS it's learnt from its mistakes, rather than just saying it has, I'll be on board.

Your posts over the last page or two don’t come across as just having reservations. Closer to actively campaigning against the club and it’s recruitment process.

What about Callum Johnson has provoked such a strong reaction? You say it’s only having reservations but your posts do not read that way. You or I have absolutely no idea how good he may or may not be unless he pulls on the shirt. Why not reserve judgement until then?

What are you expecting and what would realistically satisfy your expectations?

Even though I say I remain unconvinced that we haven't learnt from our mistakes and nothing shows me we have yet.

And that when we do, I'll be on board?

We are 14 players less than last season
We had a list of active targets when Garner joined
We started pre season last week 
We go to Spain this week

I repeat.  Until the club actually SHOWS it has learnt from previous mistakes, I remain unconvinced.

Callum Johnson may well be a decent addition.  He'd be better than what currently we have as a natural right back - nothing.

We are told we have a top 3 wage bill.  I haven't seen that replicated on the pitch.

I hope this year is different.

Right now I don't believe it will be.

What is so hard to understand?  You don't need to agree with me, but I fail to see why anybody blindly thinks it is going to change.

You can believe/hope it does.

Right now, NOTHING has.

That is all.

You don't know what's going on in the background so right now you know as much as the rest of us as to what has changed. 

We could be doing everything differently or all the same. 

Likelihood is that it's somewhere in between... And any reasonable person could appreciate that. 

Nobody knows so you MAY be right you MAY be wrong.

Ridiculing anybody for wanting to see evidence of the changes is plain daft.

WHEN things change I'll be on board (for the third time of repeating)

But you are saying I'm not reasonable.  I don't think you are reasonable for saying that.

It's all about opinions.  My point is anybody questioning what we see is ridiculed.

You appear adamant of what isn't happening and reject that anything may be being done differently.

That's not being reasonable at all.

I didn't say that we're doing everything differently, but it sounds as though we are taking a slightly different approach. If that is even 1% different then my point around the likelihood being in the middle is correct and your point of nothing being done differently is incorrect.

I am not ridiculing you, I'm pretty pissed that it took so long to get Garner done & that we have no new signings ahead of our overseas camp. 

I'm not going to assume the worst without evidence, just as you won't assume the best without it.

It SOUNDS
I have been at pains to say I reserve judgement until I SEE it
Until then I remain unconvinced

I'm allowed to remain unconvinced without ridicule

As is anybody else

If you think a 1% change puts you in.the middle, I'd hate to do your accounts!

Dazzler21 said:

supaclive said:

Dazzler21 said:

supaclive said:

Dazzler21 said:

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

supaclive said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I love how people are loosing their shit because of a month old rumour that Marquis had passed a medical and was going to sign and that is a signal of our intent.

Is there a single credible source of it?

Nobody (hardly anybody) is losing their shit.  This again is what I'm saying.  Anybody that has reservations about things becomes a subject of ridicule or mirth.

WHEN things change and the club SHOWS it's learnt from its mistakes, rather than just saying it has, I'll be on board.

Your posts over the last page or two don’t come across as just having reservations. Closer to actively campaigning against the club and it’s recruitment process.

What about Callum Johnson has provoked such a strong reaction? You say it’s only having reservations but your posts do not read that way. You or I have absolutely no idea how good he may or may not be unless he pulls on the shirt. Why not reserve judgement until then?

What are you expecting and what would realistically satisfy your expectations?

Even though I say I remain unconvinced that we haven't learnt from our mistakes and nothing shows me we have yet.

And that when we do, I'll be on board?

We are 14 players less than last season
We had a list of active targets when Garner joined
We started pre season last week 
We go to Spain this week

I repeat.  Until the club actually SHOWS it has learnt from previous mistakes, I remain unconvinced.

Callum Johnson may well be a decent addition.  He'd be better than what currently we have as a natural right back - nothing.

We are told we have a top 3 wage bill.  I haven't seen that replicated on the pitch.

I hope this year is different.

Right now I don't believe it will be.

What is so hard to understand?  You don't need to agree with me, but I fail to see why anybody blindly thinks it is going to change.

You can believe/hope it does.

Right now, NOTHING has.

That is all.

You don't know what's going on in the background so right now you know as much as the rest of us as to what has changed. 

We could be doing everything differently or all the same. 

Likelihood is that it's somewhere in between... And any reasonable person could appreciate that. 

Nobody knows so you MAY be right you MAY be wrong.

Ridiculing anybody for wanting to see evidence of the changes is plain daft.

WHEN things change I'll be on board (for the third time of repeating)

But you are saying I'm not reasonable.  I don't think you are reasonable for saying that.

It's all about opinions.  My point is anybody questioning what we see is ridiculed.

You appear adamant of what isn't happening and reject that anything may be being done differently.

That's not being reasonable at all.

I didn't say that we're doing everything differently, but it sounds as though we are taking a slightly different approach. If that is even 1% different then my point around the likelihood being in the middle is correct and your point of nothing being done differently is incorrect.

I am not ridiculing you, I'm pretty pissed that it took so long to get Garner done & that we have no new signings ahead of our overseas camp. 

I'm not going to assume the worst without evidence, just as you won't assume the best without it.

It SOUNDS
I have been at pains to say I reserve judgement until I SEE it
Until then I remain unconvinced

I'm allowed to remain unconvinced without ridicule

As is anybody else

If you think a 1% change puts you in.the middle, I'd hate to do your accounts!

It puts us somewhere in between completely different and completely the same. I should be able to give my opinion without ridicule if you're demanding to give yours without it.

supaclive said:

Cafc43v3r said:

supaclive said:

Cafc43v3r said:

I love how people are loosing their shit because of a month old rumour that Marquis had passed a medical and was going to sign and that is a signal of our intent.

Is there a single credible source of it?

Nobody (hardly anybody) is losing their shit.  This again is what I'm saying.  Anybody that has reservations about things becomes a subject of ridicule or mirth.

WHEN things change and the club SHOWS it's learnt from its mistakes, rather than just saying it has, I'll be on board.

At the same time you, and others, have said signing players like Marquis and Bostock are repeating the mistakes of last season.

I would agree if we had actually signed Marquis and Bostock.  We haven't, there is no credible rumour that we even might.

But we've been heavily linked with them.  And not a lot of other players.   Apart from the new right back (potentially) and a 37 year old centre half.