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Brian Jokat confirmed to be new COO (p4), Sacked (p5) š
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SporadicAddick said:DA9 said:My partner is an employment law expert, law degree etc (Union)Ā
Just asked her what she thought, she said that there could be any number of reasons, but for someone at that level and so soon after hiring it screams to her as either not meeting targets/really shit at his job, or gross misconduct.
But, unless either he or TS go public, itās all conjectureĀ
COOs have wide remits with long term objectives, not short term revenue targets based on sales.
Over and above that, if its a COO role of any scale, it would take at least 6 weeks to get up to speed with the industry and the organisation - typically the first three months are considered a "honeymoon period" where objectives are flexible, and that is recognised by both the employer and the employee.
I'm more inclined to suspect that there was a quick realisation that there wasn't a mutual appreciation or aligned outlook, and therefore Sandgaard moved first.0 -
Just found the only programme I was given last season (thanks Jayden) and Tony Keohane was listed as Director of Operations"Ā
Can someone who has worked at Cafc or another Professional football club explain to me and others on CL that get lost in the noise exactly how the COO job and Tony Keohane's job as Director of Operations interact ?
Possibly @airmanbrown is the only person qualified on CL ?Ā Ā
@Henry Irving has been at meetings in the boardroom though probably a CEO not COO was at Cafc at that time ? The fan in the boardroom appeared to be a good idea.
Lots of Gossip and even RD having an inside man but prefer how the Jobs should work together and if that remit is being reached or not ? With the COO guy Jokat leaving, not in the opinion of Thomas.
My knowledge is all about coaching, formations and footballers and their idiosyncrasies. I have got the T-shirt on the football side but the internal workings of a pro football club are still a tad cumulus.1 -
MuttleyCAFC said:The problem is, if you don't sack somebody during the probation period, it is a lot harder and potentially more expensive to do so. I suspect it boils down to him being a disapointment.Ā
A probation period simply provides a clear timeframe in which to demonstrate capability, at the end of which appointment to the permanent staff ususally brings additional benefits.Ā2 -
SporadicAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:The problem is, if you don't sack somebody during the probation period, it is a lot harder and potentially more expensive to do so. I suspect it boils down to him being a disapointment.Ā
A probation period simply provides a clear timeframe in which to demonstrate capability, at the end of which appointment to the permanent staff ususally brings additional benefits.Ā3 -
Longtimeaddicted said:I chatted with this fella Tuesday 21st at the East Stand boxes sales pitch, personally, I thought he got his pitch to potential punters all wrong, it really wasn't very good, a repetitive Power Point that didn't say much. It was very focused on how the newly renovated boxes (they need it badly), can be used to attract clients to join you, "Fleetwood on a wet cold Tuesday" is a hard sell!
This is league one football, filling a box with clients from what is now a very northern based league, is a hell of a trick!
All in all an average sales pitch by a man who clearly knows nothing about league 1 football and was happy to tell everyone so! Perhaps Mr T was of the same opinion? Wrong bloke Thomas.12 -
Itās highly unlikely that Duchatelet is an employee of Holdings Limited. The Keohane employment issue is interesting - remember that it was rumoured a previous RD takeover condition for other buyers was that Varney shouldnāt be involved in the club. RD is capable of bizarre interventions, if you recall. It is certainly the view of some well placed individuals that Keohaneās continued involvement is extraordinary.
RD is a possible explanation of TSās volte face on Varney in 2020, although I imagine heād been fed RD/RMās lies about him. The fact remains that nearly two years later TS hasnāt introduced a credible senior football person who can work with him over time (leaving aside that Jokat wasnāt credible to me anyway). At some point people may have to acknowledge that at least part of the problem could lie with TS, rather than just with his appointments.
Given the amount of money the club loses it is understandable, but it should be clear that TS is trying to do many things cheaper than is likely to get you the best people, on and off the pitch. The question is whether in doing so he is undermining his own chances of success. But there are and will be outcomes to judge that on and itās increasingly pointless anticipating them - it just upsets people who are in denial and appears destructive. Time will tell.
As for some of the surprising people expressing scepticism on here, itās no accident that they are well connected to the club. No doubt there are different views and perspectives, but I hear what they are presumably hearing and perhaps the distinction internally is between people with an emotional stake in the club and those without one, rather than simply people who are happy or unhappy with their lot.Ā
We will have a better idea by September where this is all heading.
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SporadicAddick said:DA9 said:My partner is an employment law expert, law degree etc (Union)Ā
Just asked her what she thought, she said that there could be any number of reasons, but for someone at that level and so soon after hiring it screams to her as either not meeting targets/really shit at his job, or gross misconduct.
But, unless either he or TS go public, itās all conjectureĀ
COOs have wide remits with long term objectives, not short term revenue targets based on sales.
Over and above that, if its a COO role of any scale, it would take at least 6 weeks to get up to speed with the industry and the organisation - typically the first three months are considered a "honeymoon period" where objectives are flexible, and that is recognised by both the employer and the employee.
I'm more inclined to suspect that there was a quick realisation that there wasn't a mutual appreciation or aligned outlook, and therefore Sandgaard moved first.
His objectives were far too long to be judged in a few weeks, especially when many of the big decisions on sponsorship and suppliers would have been taken before he arrivedĀ0 -
As thread titles go this has got to be up there.Ā I do like pithy.
Brian Jokat confirmed to be new COO (p4), Sacked (p5)Ā
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Longtimeaddicted said:I chatted with this fella Tuesday 21st at the East Stand boxes sales pitch, personally, I thought he got his pitch to potential punters all wrong, it really wasn't very good, a repetitive Power Point that didn't say much. It was very focused on how the newly renovated boxes (they need it badly), can be used to attract clients to join you, "Fleetwood on a wet cold Tuesday" is a hard sell!
This is league one football, filling a box with clients from what is now a very northern based league, is a hell of a trick!
All in all an average sales pitch by a man who clearly knows nothing about league 1 football and was happy to tell everyone so! Perhaps Mr T was of the same opinion? Wrong bloke Thomas.4 -
Longtimeaddicted said:I chatted with this fella Tuesday 21st at the East Stand boxes sales pitch, personally, I thought he got his pitch to potential punters all wrong, it really wasn't very good, a repetitive Power Point that didn't say much. It was very focused on how the newly renovated boxes (they need it badly), can be used to attract clients to join you, "Fleetwood on a wet cold Tuesday" is a hard sell!
This is league one football, filling a box with clients from what is now a very northern based league, is a hell of a trick!
All in all an average sales pitch by a man who clearly knows nothing about league 1 football and was happy to tell everyone so! Perhaps Mr T was of the same opinion? Wrong bloke Thomas.
At long last, someone who has had dealings with Brian Jokat. Cheers.1 -
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CharltonKerry said:_MrDick said:CharltonKerry said:I own a company with a turnover roughly the same as Charlton and excluding playing staff and team management roughly the same number of staff. Around new year we employed a very senior manager under strict conditions that we wanted some financial details for expanding the company, his suggestions and information on number of staff etc required to bring about the expansion and what other costs / staff might be required all had to be delivered and presented tp]o the owner within i weeks, he agreed that he was capable (his CV certainly reflected that snd he was industry based) and it was easily manageable. 8 weeks elapsed arranged a meeting, he turned up with nothing, no presentation, no figures, no suggestion. He was sacked immediately and a replacement was sort, we are stilled baffled at why he did this, but you have no option, itās not pleasurable, itās not fun etc sacking someone, it makes management look foolish, but often itās the only solution.
When Mark Goldberg bought the use of the Crystal palace Boardroom and whatever the players were worth ( I believe they were struggling at the time) he was a fan and paid 20 million plus for the privilege. Ron Noades even lent him a few million at interest of course to complete the deal. Noades just like Duchâtelet still owned the stadium and the training ground. Ron Noades the business man first and fan second couldn't believe his luck.
Thomas Sandgaard wasn't a fan of Charlton but saw the location, Location and thought why not, plus I can sing my music to a crowd. He didn't make the same mistake as Goldberg but he probably didn't realize how fickle crowds can be when they cheer your side for 80 minutes then give dogs abuse for the last 10 as you concede. Plus social media will create the monster that tries to eat you up.
Business acumen and football acumen rarely dovetail because employees/footballers wouldn't get the wages they do from the Championship down in any other industry. In the City you can make millions or lose millions. When you lose millions you are marched out the office by Security as you do the walk of shame; conversely make good calls and your bonus is massive.Ā
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Longtimeaddicted said:I chatted with this fella Tuesday 21st at the East Stand boxes sales pitch, personally, I thought he got his pitch to potential punters all wrong, it really wasn't very good, a repetitive Power Point that didn't say much. It was very focused on how the newly renovated boxes (they need it badly), can be used to attract clients to join you, "Fleetwood on a wet cold Tuesday" is a hard sell!
This is league one football, filling a box with clients from what is now a very northern based league, is a hell of a trick!
All in all an average sales pitch by a man who clearly knows nothing about league 1 football and was happy to tell everyone so! Perhaps Mr T was of the same opinion? Wrong bloke Thomas.25 -
SE10Addick said:SporadicAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:The problem is, if you don't sack somebody during the probation period, it is a lot harder and potentially more expensive to do so. I suspect it boils down to him being a disapointment.Ā
A probation period simply provides a clear timeframe in which to demonstrate capability, at the end of which appointment to the permanent staff ususally brings additional benefits.Ā0 -
cabbles said:Longtimeaddicted said:I chatted with this fella Tuesday 21st at the East Stand boxes sales pitch, personally, I thought he got his pitch to potential punters all wrong, it really wasn't very good, a repetitive Power Point that didn't say much. It was very focused on how the newly renovated boxes (they need it badly), can be used to attract clients to join you, "Fleetwood on a wet cold Tuesday" is a hard sell!
This is league one football, filling a box with clients from what is now a very northern based league, is a hell of a trick!
All in all an average sales pitch by a man who clearly knows nothing about league 1 football and was happy to tell everyone so! Perhaps Mr T was of the same opinion? Wrong bloke Thomas.
In the main people go to watch 90 minutes of football, yes some may buy a programme, a drink, a burger etc, but very few will use it (in League 1) as a place to entertain clients or go for a day out with a slap up meal and drinks etc after (appreciate some will, some on special occasions).
He's trying to push water up hill. Were we a top end Championship or premier league team then of course that changes things massively. But currently we aren't and we have the delights of Fleetwood, Forest Green, Morecambe etc. You'll always get some fans who have been successful etc in business who may take a box, but otherwise it's a difficult sell.12 -
cabbles said:Longtimeaddicted said:I chatted with this fella Tuesday 21st at the East Stand boxes sales pitch, personally, I thought he got his pitch to potential punters all wrong, it really wasn't very good, a repetitive Power Point that didn't say much. It was very focused on how the newly renovated boxes (they need it badly), can be used to attract clients to join you, "Fleetwood on a wet cold Tuesday" is a hard sell!
This is league one football, filling a box with clients from what is now a very northern based league, is a hell of a trick!
All in all an average sales pitch by a man who clearly knows nothing about league 1 football and was happy to tell everyone so! Perhaps Mr T was of the same opinion? Wrong bloke Thomas.4 -
Longtimeaddicted said:cabbles said:Longtimeaddicted said:I chatted with this fella Tuesday 21st at the East Stand boxes sales pitch, personally, I thought he got his pitch to potential punters all wrong, it really wasn't very good, a repetitive Power Point that didn't say much. It was very focused on how the newly renovated boxes (they need it badly), can be used to attract clients to join you, "Fleetwood on a wet cold Tuesday" is a hard sell!
This is league one football, filling a box with clients from what is now a very northern based league, is a hell of a trick!
All in all an average sales pitch by a man who clearly knows nothing about league 1 football and was happy to tell everyone so! Perhaps Mr T was of the same opinion? Wrong bloke Thomas.
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One of the most depressing non-political threads I have read in a long time.Ā Ā0
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Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.Ā
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.Ā
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.Ā
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.Ā
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand...Ā10 -
Henry Irving said:redbuttle said:Henry Irving said:What is Ben Chorley up to these days?3
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Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.Ā
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.Ā
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.Ā
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.Ā
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand...Ā5 -
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Who is Mr Canadian I'm an ice hockey fan really?1
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Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.Ā
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.Ā
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.Ā
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.Ā
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand....
I haven't given up on the prospects of TS making a go of it, but I admit to knowing little of what goes on behind closed doors. What I absolutely want to avoid is attempting to drive out the owner. I've had enough of the instability and just want to concentrate on watching some better football next season.12 -
Covered End said:Who is Mr Canadian I'm an ice hockey fan really?1
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Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.Ā
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.Ā
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.Ā
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.Ā
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand...Ā
What should we do as a fan base? Genuine question, I have concerns too but I can see thereās a different approach with recruitment with a focus on a style rather than simply buying players based on a 4-3-3 formation regardless of how they fit together and no idea how we want to play.
If we turn things around on the pitch the majority will be happy. If we in the same sort of position as last October then I can see talk of protests ramping up.
I also donāt see TS being the owner in a year or two if weāre still in L1 (or worse).7 -
Fanny Fanackapan said:Think TS needs to attend a seminar called " The importance of stability in a football club".
Squeaky b*m time for other staff members at our club ?Ā1 -
SoundAsa£ said:Fanny Fanackapan said:Think TS needs to attend a seminar called " The importance of stability in a football club".
Squeaky b*m time for other staff members at our club ?Ā6 -
JohnnyH2 said:
I'm more inclined to @golfaddick suggestion that perhaps a none too favourable sales pitch this(last?) week was his downfall and TS has decided to take action sooner rather than later. He is American and as I have observed before as a stereotype the US are more inclined to that mentality than we traditionally see in the UK.
This appointment i.e. non football is not / should not really be a concern for us as supporters. Many have said you just cant break even in L1 and need to pay to get out via squad investment so this periphery stuff need not be the issue it is being made in to. Its not symptomatic of the playing side where it would seem reasonable investment is happening and a new manager being given lots of discretion on his team. We asked for a clean slate on the squad and tactics and will likely get it.
Having said that it shows how far we have fallen when we see good in former L2 players coming to us!1 -
Scoham said:Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.Ā
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.Ā
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.Ā
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.Ā
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand...Ā
What should we do as a fan base? Genuine question, I have concerns too but I can see thereās a different approach with recruitment with a focus on a style rather than simply buying players based on a 4-3-3 formation regardless of how they fit together and no idea how we want to play.
If we turn things around on the pitch the majority will be happy. If we in the same sort of position as last October then I can see talk of protests ramping up.
I also donāt see TS being the owner in a year or two if weāre still in L1 (or worse).5 -
paulfox said:Scoham said:Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.Ā
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.Ā
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.Ā
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.Ā
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand...Ā
What should we do as a fan base? Genuine question, I have concerns too but I can see thereās a different approach with recruitment with a focus on a style rather than simply buying players based on a 4-3-3 formation regardless of how they fit together and no idea how we want to play.
If we turn things around on the pitch the majority will be happy. If we in the same sort of position as last October then I can see talk of protests ramping up.
I also donāt see TS being the owner in a year or two if weāre still in L1 (or worse).7