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Brian Jokat confirmed to be new COO (p4), Sacked (p5) 🙄
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The people always fucking moaning about everything they don’t like, instead of trying to enjoy being a football fan.good enough for you?or would you like a list? It’s an opinion ,why do I need to explain to you?shirty5 said:
Who are these people? I for one don’t want to go through all that againpaulfox said:
Its quite sad to say, but sometimes it feels like a few on here miss a bit of a protest.🤷🏻♂️Scoham said:
Isn’t that last bit as bad as saying others want the club to fail? We could share our concerns constantly but that won’t change anything. We’re not at the point where we were under RD when CARD started are we?Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand...
What should we do as a fan base? Genuine question, I have concerns too but I can see there’s a different approach with recruitment with a focus on a style rather than simply buying players based on a 4-3-3 formation regardless of how they fit together and no idea how we want to play.
If we turn things around on the pitch the majority will be happy. If we in the same sort of position as last October then I can see talk of protests ramping up.
I also don’t see TS being the owner in a year or two if we’re still in L1 (or worse).6 -
It’s a forum. If you don’t want to respond then fine. No need to be rude is there.paulfox said:
The people always fucking moaning about everything they don’t like, instead of trying to enjoy being a football fan.good enough for you?or would you like a list? It’s an opinion ,why do I need to explain to you?shirty5 said:
Who are these people? I for one don’t want to go through all that againpaulfox said:
Its quite sad to say, but sometimes it feels like a few on here miss a bit of a protest.🤷🏻♂️Scoham said:
Isn’t that last bit as bad as saying others want the club to fail? We could share our concerns constantly but that won’t change anything. We’re not at the point where we were under RD when CARD started are we?Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand...
What should we do as a fan base? Genuine question, I have concerns too but I can see there’s a different approach with recruitment with a focus on a style rather than simply buying players based on a 4-3-3 formation regardless of how they fit together and no idea how we want to play.
If we turn things around on the pitch the majority will be happy. If we in the same sort of position as last October then I can see talk of protests ramping up.
I also don’t see TS being the owner in a year or two if we’re still in L1 (or worse).12 -
I would consider my reply , a response. And yes it’s a forum, in which I posted a hypothetical view.shirty5 said:
It’s a forum. If you don’t want to respond then fine. No need to get rude is there.paulfox said:
The people always fucking moaning about everything they don’t like, instead of trying to enjoy being a football fan.good enough for you?or would you like a list? It’s an opinion ,why do I need to explain to you?shirty5 said:
Who are these people? I for one don’t want to go through all that againpaulfox said:
Its quite sad to say, but sometimes it feels like a few on here miss a bit of a protest.🤷🏻♂️Scoham said:
Isn’t that last bit as bad as saying others want the club to fail? We could share our concerns constantly but that won’t change anything. We’re not at the point where we were under RD when CARD started are we?Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand...
What should we do as a fan base? Genuine question, I have concerns too but I can see there’s a different approach with recruitment with a focus on a style rather than simply buying players based on a 4-3-3 formation regardless of how they fit together and no idea how we want to play.
If we turn things around on the pitch the majority will be happy. If we in the same sort of position as last October then I can see talk of protests ramping up.
I also don’t see TS being the owner in a year or two if we’re still in L1 (or worse).1 -
I can't believe that you're linking me with "attempting to drive out the owner".swordfish said:
Serious question, what would you have us do then?Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand....
I haven't given up on the prospects of TS making a go of it, but I admit to knowing little of what goes on behind closed doors. What I absolutely want to avoid is attempting to drive out the owner. I've had enough of the instability and just want to concentrate on watching some better football next season.
Yes, I went to Belgium twice in the "bad old days" of his ownership & hopefully played a very minor part in his downfall.
And yes, I am very grateful for TS purchasing our club against all the odds.
BUT, I will not ignore what I, and others, feel are significant & possibly naive mistakes he's made (and probably still making) which are clearly costing him money, and hence possibly making him question his future in his role as owner.
So, would you be surprised should that happen & he decides to walk away ? Would you be prepared, should it be necessary, to go to the lengths that others have in our past with the formation of the incredible Valley Party that effectively saved our club ?
Maybe the current issues have brought home to Addicks of a similar age, that we don't have the prospect of a further 20 years or so in which to see our club progress onwards & upwards, unlike you younger ones. We need stability NOW and a credible plan for progression and as such, I have every right to question whether the current owner has this in hand or whether he's sleepwalking his way into further debt for the club we all love....which can only end in tears.
Questioning his recruitment policy, for example, is merely indicating that he isn't experienced in appointing the right people to take a football club forward and as such, could benefit from some advice on the subject. Isn't that called constructive criticism ? Or do you have zero interest into how much this guy is prepared to lose ...believing that he has bottomless pockets ?
One thing that unites all Addicks is that we all want success & stability for our club.
And as "customers", surely we have the right to question whether this is possible under the current owner if he continues to believe he knows best & continues to play his guitar while Charlton burns.
If there's a "next time", some of us might not be around to sweep up the ashes....
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If the footballs shit, then we can scream, shout and not turn up.
With the Ops side, there's not a lot we can do. We dont know the details, we dont sit in on the meetings or constantly see the figures. Its not 'bury heads in the sand', its more, well for me, realising i wont get stressed out by things totally out of our control.
I absolutely think TS needs to up his game on the club management side of things btw.11 -
Maybe he'd refuse to pay RD until the problem is out.cafcfan1990 said:
Surely you can’t actually believe that Sandgaard would happily allow a Roland employee to stick around interfering in the day to day running of the club? Whether that interfering is direct or indirect.Dazzler21 said:
I believe he has had something to do with at least one member of staff leaving. Their job was imposed upon by the Duchatelet Employee because technically he could get himself involved.cabbles said:Still seems like it’s a bit of a shambles on the non playing side.If Tony Keohane isn’t employed by TS, and is there solely to watch things for RD, does he still try to get involved in day to day stuff. How does it work?
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ValleyGary said:If the footballs shit, then we can scream, shout and not turn up.
With the Ops side, there's not a lot we can do. We dont know the details, we dont sit in on the meetings or constantly see the figures. Its not 'bury heads in the sand', its more, well for me, realising i wont get stressed out by things totally out of our control.
I absolutely think TS needs to up his game on the club management side of things btw.
'we've gotta control the controllables, as best we can'6 -
I think just because Thomas is trying a lot of things on the commercial side doesn't mean he has overestimated its potential.
To me it looks like he is trying to diversify the club's income stream and trying out a lot of initiatives to find those sources. Build, measure, learn.1 -
@Fanny Fanackapan Please don't think I was suggesting you are! I thought I was saying I didn't want to have to go through all that again, but I can see you've taken offence and that wasn't intended, so I apologise.Fanny Fanackapan said:
I can't believe that you're linking me with "attempting to drive out the owner".swordfish said:
Serious question, what would you have us do then?Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand....
I haven't given up on the prospects of TS making a go of it, but I admit to knowing little of what goes on behind closed doors. What I absolutely want to avoid is attempting to drive out the owner. I've had enough of the instability and just want to concentrate on watching some better football next season.
Yes, I went to Belgium twice in the "bad old days" of his ownership & hopefully played a very minor part in his downfall.
And yes, I am very grateful for TS purchasing our club against all the odds.
BUT, I will not ignore what I, and others, feel are significant & possibly naive mistakes he's made (and probably still making) which are clearly costing him money, and hence possibly making him question his future in his role as owner.
So, would you be surprised should that happen & he decides to walk away ? Would you be prepared, should it be necessary, to go to the lengths that others have in our past with the formation of the incredible Valley Party that effectively saved our club ?
Maybe the current issues have brought home to Addicks of a similar age, that we don't have the prospect of a further 20 years or so in which to see our club progress onwards & upwards, unlike you younger ones. We need stability NOW and a credible plan for progression and as such, I have every right to question whether the current owner has this in hand or whether he's sleepwalking his way into further debt for the club we all love....which can only end in tears.
Questioning his recruitment policy, for example, is merely indicating that he isn't experienced in appointing the right people to take a football club forward and as such, could benefit from some advice on the subject. Isn't that called constructive criticism ? Or do you have zero interest into how much this guy is prepared to lose ...believing that he has bottomless pockets ?
One thing that unites all Addicks is that we all want success & stability for our club.
And as "customers", surely we have the right to question whether this is possible under the current owner if he continues to believe he knows best & continues to play his guitar while Charlton burns.
If there's a "next time", some of us might not be around to sweep up the ashes....
On the second point, it's news to me that TS is doubting his decision to buy the Club and questioning his role as owner, so yes, I would be surprised if he walked away so early in his tenure.As a relative newcomer on here, what worries me most is that credible and reputable posters such as yourself, whose feet are much closer to the fire than mine so to speak, are so concerned and writing such things that don't fill me with any joy. What I see at the moment is that, just when we start to see some cohesion to a plan forming on the footballing side, the non footballing side appears far from ideal given that there have been a succession of senior personnel leaving, for whatever reason. It's not a good look as they say!
Of course I don't want TS to keep making mistakes and wasting money, but he's invested in getting it right and I have to believe that he can, given that he's a highly successful businessman. Do I think he should hire an experienced CEO here, Yes, and it wouldn't take much for it to be an improvement of the last one we had under RD, but I get that TS is reluctant to delegate at this time, ill advised though that might be.
I fear a perfect storm brewing if we don't get off to a flyer. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm anticipating the final edition of VoTV will hit the news stands with the details of the failings in the internal machinations of the Club. If it does the timing couldn't be worse if it potentially divides the fanbase and destabilises the season. As you pointed out, we all want success and stability for our club. Where we differ at the moment is that I still believe it can be achieved under TS, whereas I suspect, based on what you've seen and heard to date, that you don't. Apologies if I'm jumping to the wrong conclusion there.
BTW, Like yourself, I'm thinking in that same 20 year timeframe myself and know exactly what you mean.
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No one knows what happened with Jokat but put it down to bad recruitment and TS getting something else wrong. However, it may be completely unrelated to performance and something happened that was a sackable offence. I don’t know what happened either but I think it’s unreasonable to hang TS out to dry over it and use it as a stick to beat him over the head with. And even if it was because of bad performance in his job then good on TS. He identified it and did something about it. I’d be more worried if that were the case that he kept Jokat in situ and let him keep on making mistake after mistake. That would be detrimental to the business.4
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Fanny at the end of the day we all obviously want the same thing I imagine, success on the pitch ? But to say things like TS is playing his guitar whilst Charltin burns is just ridiculous imo. Yes as an owner he does things that some wont like whilst some will like, you cant please all the people all the time, however at the end of the day the bloke is writing cheques and his money is on the line so he needs to do what he thinks is best.Fanny Fanackapan said:
I can't believe that you're linking me with "attempting to drive out the owner".swordfish said:
Serious question, what would you have us do then?Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand....
I haven't given up on the prospects of TS making a go of it, but I admit to knowing little of what goes on behind closed doors. What I absolutely want to avoid is attempting to drive out the owner. I've had enough of the instability and just want to concentrate on watching some better football next season.
Yes, I went to Belgium twice in the "bad old days" of his ownership & hopefully played a very minor part in his downfall.
And yes, I am very grateful for TS purchasing our club against all the odds.
BUT, I will not ignore what I, and others, feel are significant & possibly naive mistakes he's made (and probably still making) which are clearly costing him money, and hence possibly making him question his future in his role as owner.
So, would you be surprised should that happen & he decides to walk away ? Would you be prepared, should it be necessary, to go to the lengths that others have in our past with the formation of the incredible Valley Party that effectively saved our club ?
Maybe the current issues have brought home to Addicks of a similar age, that we don't have the prospect of a further 20 years or so in which to see our club progress onwards & upwards, unlike you younger ones. We need stability NOW and a credible plan for progression and as such, I have every right to question whether the current owner has this in hand or whether he's sleepwalking his way into further debt for the club we all love....which can only end in tears.
Questioning his recruitment policy, for example, is merely indicating that he isn't experienced in appointing the right people to take a football club forward and as such, could benefit from some advice on the subject. Isn't that called constructive criticism ? Or do you have zero interest into how much this guy is prepared to lose ...believing that he has bottomless pockets ?
One thing that unites all Addicks is that we all want success & stability for our club.
And as "customers", surely we have the right to question whether this is possible under the current owner if he continues to believe he knows best & continues to play his guitar while Charlton burns.
If there's a "next time", some of us might not be around to sweep up the ashes....
You have made it very clear you feel very strongly that things have been implemented that you disagree with whilst others ( me included ) felt very strongly that they needed to be done.
If you take out the rumours and decisions that have been made that are a matter of opinion what exactly has been done that risks the future of the club ?
Who knows how long he will stick around but I personally think that from a financial perspective the club is more secure than it has been for a while. You might disagree with the decisions being made but surely you can see there is a format of a plan being put together ? Whether it works or not us another matter time will tell but I personally think it is right to atleast be optimistic about it rather than constantly sniping ( I dont mean you I mean the crowd constantly putting out shite all the time )
I know you was asked this earlier but what exactly would you have done differently so far ? (Apart from giving JJ a job for life and sentencing us all to rubbish football forever 😂 ) that's a matey joke please dont take it the wrong way5 -
OK, guys. Points taken on board & unless something of significance occurs to add to my viewpoint, I'll take a break on this subject.
And the mention of fiddling ( not in the monetary sense!) whilst "Rome" burns was a poor attempt at humour....
But having been asked what would I have hoped for TS to do differently, would be for him to have taken onboard an experienced football person as CEO from day one. And to admit to himself (and others) that he needs A N Other who's been there & has worn the T shirt with whom to bounce ideas around & learn the pros & cons of certain elements of decision making in this business.
AND to have that someone by his side to interview applicants for vacant posts ..someone who is not a family member.
That's all, folks !
Now for tonight's T20 !
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I spoke to an industry friend who worked with Brian at AEG linked to the O2 account ….. and his response was he thought he was an exceptionally strong person for a club like Charlton to have attracted (he was surprised that we got him). He also said he would be stunned if it was gross misconduct as he simply isn’t that kind of guy.
He just seemed generally stumped what the hell has gone on…8 -
Sorry folks but we have turned into a clown show I am afraid to say.
No serious and properly run business sacks a COO after eight weeks, it just doesn’t happen.
Only three options really to explain this….
1) Sandgaard got the recruiting completely wrong and appointed someone not suitable for the job - that’s on him.
2) Jokat WAS qualified for the job but upon executing his role was completely unaligned with Sandgaard in terms of methods and roadmap.
3) None of the above, Jonathan was dismissed for gross misconduct.
FWIW my money is on option two which is a serious concern because it speaks once more to the fact that Sandgaard won’t listen to anyone else.9 -
Knowing what is going on with the club you love is important. We are in a league we shouldn't be in and the longer we are in it the more damage is inflicted on us. Being critical about everything is wrong but so is being a happy clapper.
I haven't got enough information about Sandgaard to assume he will not be a success. Ultimately, however well or badly we are run off the pitch, the biggest positive would be success on the pitch. It is just when you see what looks like basic errors off the pitch, it is natural to be suspicious of what you see on the pitch.
I heard murmours about the club being a shambles last season, both from some on here and elsewhere. That concerns me. But in the short term. If Garner is the right man and he is backed, we could get that jump we need. But my view of Sandgaard is that he hasn't got the football knowledge not to have a competent CEO. That can change but my rule in life is when you are searching for the truth, the final place you should look for it is where you want it to be.11 -
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To be honest the happy clapper assumptions are in the main being used to ridicule people that are happy to wait and see what TS does about making us a good club again. I would imagine you would put myself into the happy clapper bracket?, however if you read my posts when supporting TS, I have always said…. I will support him until there is absolute and undeniable truth he is doing us wrong, and I will then happily get on board with any actions that need to take place. So not happy clapping, just doing the right thing and giving people a chance. There is a group on here that for some reason don’t appear to want to give him that chance whatever decision he makes, because he is not doing what they want, which would align with previous good regimes, unfortunately as much as we all like to live in the past, times have changed and things are done differently, sometimes for the better, other times for the worse. The time spent whining about things out of most of our control would probably be better spent getting behind and supporting the club, because that’s when things start to go well and that would be taking from/ living in the past. A lot of the things being complained about are generally things that would not directly affect our match day experience, which for the MAJORITY of us is all that matters, not the politics around the club, as sad to some of you as it may sound , although Charlton has been a big part of my life there are more important things, so Charlton is my release from the pressures of life. Maybe instead of bitching on a forum if you feel so strongly, take it up directly with the club, and if you make things better for the rest of us by doing so, then fair play to you.MuttleyCAFC said:Knowing what is going on with the club you love is important. We are in a league we shouldn't be in and the longer we are in it the more damage is inflicted on us. Being critical about everything is wrong but so is being a happy clapper.
I haven't got enough information about Sandgaard to assume he will not be a success. Ultimately, however well or badly we are run off the pitch, the biggest positive would be success on the pitch. It is just when you see what looks like basic errors off the pitch, it is natural to be suspicious of what you see on the pitch.
I heard murmours about the club being a shambles last season, both from some on here and elsewhere. That concerns me. But in the short term. If Garner is the right man and he is backed, we could get that jump we need. But my view of Sandgaard is that he hasn't got the football knowledge not to have a competent CEO. That can change but my rule in life is when you are searching for the truth, the final place you should look for it is where you want it to be.5 -
Not at all. I am waiting and seeing but willing to put some doubts out there and not shooting people down who do. For me, there are doubts not certainties. The majority of us were blowing smoke up Southall's backside when it was clear to those who looked at it objectively something was seriously wrong. The messengers were shot. If you read my posts I am putting forward some doubts not saying Sandgaard will fail. There are grey areas that I long to see clarified in a positive way for the sake of the club I love. And when they are, I will say they are.6
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I have no problem with doubts, it’s the doubts that unearthed the dodgy regimes, however don’t tar everyone with the same brush. Unless they are facts and proven to be so bearing in mind people only put out cryptic snippets of info, instead of being completely transparent about they’re findings,it just comes across as shit stirring.MuttleyCAFC said:Not at all. I am waiting and seeing but willing to put some doubts out there and not shooting people down who do.3 -
Maybe rather than putting out cryptic snippets of info, they are putting out doubts rather than certainties. Had you not heard rumours that there were issues behind the scenes? Airman has been alluding to such for a while or is Airman not to be trusted. They have come from other sources too. It may be that Garner is a great replacement and we will build a strong squad. Some of us will call it when we see it but all of us hopes it happens of course.3
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Airman isnt the oracle mate, if so don’t allude just come out with it and save people a lot of time and money lining the pockets of people he is alluding to as not quite what it says on the packet. And then we can move on to the next owner, until Airman alludes to something else. Maybe a pattern is appearing here?.MuttleyCAFC said:Maybe rather than putting out cryptic snippets of info, they are putting out doubts rather than certainties. Had you not heard rumours that there were issues behind the scenes? Airman has been alluding to such for a while or is Airman not to be trusted. They have come from other sources too. It may be that Garner is a great replacement and we will build a strong squad. Some of us will call it when we see it but all of us hopes it happens of course.3 -
I have heard that the club was a shambles behind the scenes from other sources which I won't name. Stop attacking people for being cautious. We all want our club to succeed but you can't drum doubts out of people. What happens on the pitch and off it will do that.9
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Not attacking anyone, these people are happy to let us know they have concerns, so don’t pussyfoot around it and come out with it, otherwise it’s just rumour. If we win the 1st ten games of the season I wonder how the doubts will be affected then?. Like I say if it is individual grievance, take it up with the club.MuttleyCAFC said:I have heard that the club was a shambles behind the scenes from other sources which I won't name. Stop attacking people for being cautious. We all want our club to succeed but you can't drum doubts out of people. What happens on the pitch and off it will do that.4 -
I’m not in the know and frankly, bloody pleased I’m not. But is it coincidental that staff matters are being attempted to be sorted whilst Thomas is here for what appears to be his longest period in Charlton. Perhaps he’s aware that the staffing side is a shambles and he’s now spending time trying to resolve theses problems. In my opinion his priorities when he took over was the playing side and that unfortunately wasn’t as easy to resolve as he thought, perhaps now after a few false starts he reckon he’s got that resolved (we / he will know in a few months time).MuttleyCAFC said:I have heard that the club was a shambles behind the scenes from other sources which I won't name. Stop attacking people for being cautious. We all want our club to succeed but you can't drum doubts out of people. What happens on the pitch and off it will do that.7 -
Like you I expect 30 points after the first ten games.paulfox said:
Not attacking anyone, these people are happy to let us know they have concerns, so don’t pussyfoot around it and come out with it, otherwise it’s just rumour. If we win the 1st ten games of the season I wonder how the doubts will be affected then?. Like I say if it is individual grievance, take it up with the club.MuttleyCAFC said:I have heard that the club was a shambles behind the scenes from other sources which I won't name. Stop attacking people for being cautious. We all want our club to succeed but you can't drum doubts out of people. What happens on the pitch and off it will do that.
Bit of an ask granted, but the right aspiration.
If we only get a measly 28 points then questions can be legitimately asked.2 -
They will be affected positively of course. Nothing wrong with holding your station. I don't agree with people slagging the club off for the sake of it but raising reservations as even a true fan like Fanny has done. Nothing wrong with that.3
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Some good football and a few wins to try and entice my son to get interested in Charlton again would do Seth.seth plum said:
Like you I expect 30 points after the first ten games.paulfox said:
Not attacking anyone, these people are happy to let us know they have concerns, so don’t pussyfoot around it and come out with it, otherwise it’s just rumour. If we win the 1st ten games of the season I wonder how the doubts will be affected then?. Like I say if it is individual grievance, take it up with the club.MuttleyCAFC said:I have heard that the club was a shambles behind the scenes from other sources which I won't name. Stop attacking people for being cautious. We all want our club to succeed but you can't drum doubts out of people. What happens on the pitch and off it will do that.
Bit of an ask granted, but the right aspiration.
If we only get a measly 28 points then questions can be legitimately asked.0 -
Out of interest, why has he lost interest?1
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We are all true fans mate, there’s no fans league table. If people are that confident in they’re doubts then don’t whine on a forum and act upon it if they feel so strongly. A lot of us see positive things happen and are happy to go along with it.3
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Is raising concerns whining? Let's agree to differ. We all want the club to do well and let's hope we do.9
