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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Hopefully going back to the Theo Foley type football where we just set out to outscore the opposition.2
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Tbf being in the champ aside i have always admired peterborough for this always entertaining high scoring games especially at there place for a good few years nowStarinnaddick said:Hopefully going back to the Theo Foley type football where we just set out to outscore the opposition.2 -
Apologies completely misread your post and thought you said last week. Fraser, JFC and Kirk never played together and their appearances do not total much.golfaddick said:
What was a kick about ? I'm talking about last season - 21/22. Those 3 players all appeared in Charlton red during last season and none scored.cafcfan1990 said:
Have a day off (or at least an hour or two). Was a kick about ffs. Man City went without scoring oncegolfaddick said:
Hmmm.....I'm sure I saw Fraser, JFC & Kirk out on the pitch last season. No goals sadly though.BR7_addick said:
Fraser, JFC, Kirk, McGrandles all playing this season that weren’t last season, surely 4 new midfielders counts as big change in personnel?golfaddick said:
Same sort of figures were bandied about last season & after the strikers the next best was 3 goals.......and that was Purrington. So unless there is a big change in either personnel or tactics I dont see the midfield chipping in with 24 goals !BR7_addick said:
We need about 80 goals to have a crack at it, interesting point as I’ve never really considered it:BigRedEvil said:Midfield I think we're looking pretty solid, but we need some more goals in the team
Stockley 20
Aneke 15
Fraser 7
Kirk 7
CBT 5
JFC 5
Defenders combined 5
Defensive midfielders combined 5
Own goals 3
Thats 72, appreciate some are generous (Aneke/CBT/own goals) assuming we do sign another winger/forward he needs goals in him.
Try again.
Morgan scored once (maybe twice) and Dobbo scored a screamer. I'm happy to be proved wrong but I doubt our midfield scored more than half a dozen between them.
Woeful.We only scored 15 less than Rotherham who came second.0 -
If you’d have watched the games you’d have noticed…EugenesAxe said:
Last season was a kick about?cafcfan1990 said:
Have a day off (or at least an hour or two). Was a kick about ffs. Man City went without scoring oncegolfaddick said:
Hmmm.....I'm sure I saw Fraser, JFC & Kirk out on the pitch last season. No goals sadly though.BR7_addick said:
Fraser, JFC, Kirk, McGrandles all playing this season that weren’t last season, surely 4 new midfielders counts as big change in personnel?golfaddick said:
Same sort of figures were bandied about last season & after the strikers the next best was 3 goals.......and that was Purrington. So unless there is a big change in either personnel or tactics I dont see the midfield chipping in with 24 goals !BR7_addick said:
We need about 80 goals to have a crack at it, interesting point as I’ve never really considered it:BigRedEvil said:Midfield I think we're looking pretty solid, but we need some more goals in the team
Stockley 20
Aneke 15
Fraser 7
Kirk 7
CBT 5
JFC 5
Defenders combined 5
Defensive midfielders combined 5
Own goals 3
Thats 72, appreciate some are generous (Aneke/CBT/own goals) assuming we do sign another winger/forward he needs goals in him.
Try again.
someone should have said!1 -
3 assists for us last season would have made him our joint 4th highest assist maker, 1 assist less than our 2nd and 3rd highest assist makers. And you say he did this in only 7 starts in the division above us? Sounds like he would do ok if utilised correctly no?killerandflash said:
He was hardly a massive success for Blackpool though, 7 starts and 2 sub appearances out of 19 games with 0 goals and 3 assists.paulfox said:The fact Kirk played at a higher level last season, if used properly and if he is going to knuckle down with us, he should be an asset to the team. I hope he proves to be better than what we see last season.5 -
A good point regarding JFC, if he can get back to anywhere near his previous levels then he should be a great player at this level. Barely featured last season for obvious reasons and is still only 28.colthe3rd said:That's already a much better squad than the one that started last season, I think some are overlooking "returning" players like JFC and Kirk because they aren't new signings. Adding say 3 more (a few) to that squad and it should be very competitive.
Kirk i'm less convinced of, but there were some promising glimpses in the Kilmarnock friendly and he probably suits the way Garner wants to play.
So if they both click then yes these 2 are effectively 'new' signings for us.3 -
With Kirk I think it will depend if he wants to be here himself. IF he can settle in London then I honestly believe that under this new style of play we will see a different player than last season. If he doesnt want to be here then I guess he will be off this window. Personally I hope he stays and shows the player we thought he was when we bought him9
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We won't get anywhere with that forward line, no LCB and a right footed left back or JFC playing wing back.
All additions look solid.
Can't see us anywhere near the play offs and fear the squad won't/can’t play the high press possession football Garner would like.
Giving youth a chance is fine but pinning our hopes on Kanu and Deji in League One is pushing it. Leaburn et al are nowhere near good enough, yet6 -
I make you right @supaclive however the makings of a competitive squad is forming and with 2-3 more decent additions I think we will be up there. I would hope we buy a decent striker and a couple more defenders. Our midfield is sorted imo2
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No goals from that midfield, need an attacking CM and a better winger.AndyG said:I make you right @supaclive however the makings of a competitive squad is forming and with 2-3 more decent additions I think we will be up there. I would hope we buy a decent striker and a couple more defenders. Our midfield is sorted imo5 -
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Why is aneke scoring 15 wishful thinking? He has done it for us beforeDave Rudd said:
Correct.ShootersHillGuru said:Still not enough goals. Until that’s addressed we won’t get out of this division.
Even allowing for the 15 'wishful thinking' goals that Aneke will get from the treatment table bench.
Davison is the interesting one. He's clearly not good enough, and yet Garner fancied him enough last season.
Is that a reflection on Garner's assessment of a player or a feature of the budget he was working with?
I don't know who's out there that we might be able to attract, but a poacher is essential if we are to be serious contenders this season.
Can Bairstow kick a ball?3 -
Do we think he’ll promote anyone from the under 23s? Or anyone has a chance?Ive only watched the liverpool final and thought Jeremy Santos was a decent looking midfielder. Leaburn has to start banging them in sooner or later lol.0
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The attacking MF's underperformed last season and lacked confidence. Playing to a more progressive system, I expect to see a bigger return from them, unless the coaches don't work more with them on creating chances and improving their finishing, but I'm sure they will.cafcfan1990 said:
No goals from that midfield, need an attacking CM and a better winger.AndyG said:I make you right @supaclive however the makings of a competitive squad is forming and with 2-3 more decent additions I think we will be up there. I would hope we buy a decent striker and a couple more defenders. Our midfield is sorted imo
A striker to partner Stockley must be the priority now, with others in after that determined by future outgoings.2 -
Exactly. 15 in 38 in the 20-21 season. 4 in 9 last season.Todds_right_hook said:
Why is aneke scoring 15 wishful thinking? He has done it for us beforeDave Rudd said:
Correct.ShootersHillGuru said:Still not enough goals. Until that’s addressed we won’t get out of this division.
Even allowing for the 15 'wishful thinking' goals that Aneke will get from the treatment table bench.
Davison is the interesting one. He's clearly not good enough, and yet Garner fancied him enough last season.
Is that a reflection on Garner's assessment of a player or a feature of the budget he was working with?
I don't know who's out there that we might be able to attract, but a poacher is essential if we are to be serious contenders this season.
Can Bairstow kick a ball?
I don't see any reason why 15 goals in a more attacking style of play (we hope) isn't very much achievable.
It's the goals from midfield i'm more concerned about, not Aneke.6 -
Have to say I’m personally not on board with the not sure where the goals are coming from crowd. On the main it’s because it’s been a long time since we have had a manager and coaching set up which has been this focused and positive on having attacking intent.Always going to be hard to score goals when you play a turgid one dimensional brand of football which is overly reliant on one player (CBT) to do any of the attacking.We already have a progressive CB and attacking full backs signed for one, which I think will make a massive difference to how our midfield can link up attacks.Now don’t get me wrong I’d like to see another quality striker and winger come in at the very least. But my hope is that BenBall will have the same effect on Charlton that BazBall has had on the England cricket team.17
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Scott Fraser alone bagged 14 for MKD in 2020/21 so he's a proven goal scorer at this level.FishCostaFortune said:Have to say I’m personally not on board with the not sure where the goals are coming from crowd. On the main it’s because it’s been a long time since we have had a manager and coaching set up which has been this focused and positive on having attacking intent.Always going to be hard to score goals when you play a turgid one dimensional brand of football which is overly reliant on one player (CBT) to do any of the attacking.We already have a progressive CB and attacking full backs signed for one, which I think will make a massive difference to how our midfield can link up attacks.Now don’t get me wrong I’d like to see another quality striker and winger come in at the very least. But my hope is that BenBall will have the same effect on Charlton that BazBall has had on the England cricket team.6 -
Exactly this. It's hard to score when your plan is to pass sideways and backwards and then smash it up field hoping that the opposition might make a mistakeFishCostaFortune said:Have to say I’m personally not on board with the not sure where the goals are coming from crowd. On the main it’s because it’s been a long time since we have had a manager and coaching set up which has been this focused and positive on having attacking intent.Always going to be hard to score goals when you play a turgid one dimensional brand of football which is overly reliant on one player (CBT) to do any of the attacking.We already have a progressive CB and attacking full backs signed for one, which I think will make a massive difference to how our midfield can link up attacks.Now don’t get me wrong I’d like to see another quality striker and winger come in at the very least. But my hope is that BenBall will have the same effect on Charlton that BazBall has had on the England cricket team.0 -
And we ended up mid table in the 3rd division , where we are now.Starinnaddick said:Hopefully going back to the Theo Foley type football where we just set out to outscore the opposition.0 -
What are their budgets?Vfrf said:
Sheffield, Derby, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Peteborough, Barnsley. Unless we're planning some pretty(extremely) decent players for the 'few more' incomings.Chunes said:
What six teams will have a higher budget?Vfrf said:
It would unfortunately give a lot of credence to those going against Sandgaard recently from a budget perspective. We've got rid of high wages in Watson, Leko, Arter, Gunter, Pearce, Washington & Souare and replaced them with mostly League Two or bottom half League One players. I'm all for poaching the best of League Two but it hardly screams top six budget to me this year.ButtleJR said:Only expecting a few more before the deadline now. Squad almost complete...
You might want to have a look at the Portsmouth squad.5 -
Between the four of them there was 184 league games, they played what, 12 between em? And many of them weren’t starts and most of the time they weren’t even available for us.golfaddick said:
Hmmm.....I'm sure I saw Fraser, JFC & Kirk out on the pitch last season. No goals sadly though.BR7_addick said:
Fraser, JFC, Kirk, McGrandles all playing this season that weren’t last season, surely 4 new midfielders counts as big change in personnel?golfaddick said:
Same sort of figures were bandied about last season & after the strikers the next best was 3 goals.......and that was Purrington. So unless there is a big change in either personnel or tactics I dont see the midfield chipping in with 24 goals !BR7_addick said:
We need about 80 goals to have a crack at it, interesting point as I’ve never really considered it:BigRedEvil said:Midfield I think we're looking pretty solid, but we need some more goals in the team
Stockley 20
Aneke 15
Fraser 7
Kirk 7
CBT 5
JFC 5
Defenders combined 5
Defensive midfielders combined 5
Own goals 3
Thats 72, appreciate some are generous (Aneke/CBT/own goals) assuming we do sign another winger/forward he needs goals in him.
Try again.You can count them if you want to make some petulant point, but the adults in the debate understand they are practically new signings.3 -
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His other seasons at this level though saw him score 6, 5 and 1.swordfish said:
Scott Fraser alone bagged 14 for MKD in 2020/21 so he's a proven goal scorer at this level.FishCostaFortune said:Have to say I’m personally not on board with the not sure where the goals are coming from crowd. On the main it’s because it’s been a long time since we have had a manager and coaching set up which has been this focused and positive on having attacking intent.Always going to be hard to score goals when you play a turgid one dimensional brand of football which is overly reliant on one player (CBT) to do any of the attacking.We already have a progressive CB and attacking full backs signed for one, which I think will make a massive difference to how our midfield can link up attacks.Now don’t get me wrong I’d like to see another quality striker and winger come in at the very least. But my hope is that BenBall will have the same effect on Charlton that BazBall has had on the England cricket team.
I'm not quite sure he can be classed as a proven goalscorer, more that was just a very good season in a side playing a way that suited him. I'd personally be happy if we can get 7-8 goals from him.1 -
Fraser last full season in league one, 14 goals.
Kirk last full season in league one, 6 goals.
JFC last full season in league one, 6 goals.
McGrandles last full season in league one, 2 goals.All four now playing in a better side than their last full season, I’m not saying they will score loads of goals between them, but there is reason for optimism. We need another winger who can contribute too.8 -
About where I am, good point.Cafc43v3r said:"As it stands" the attacking improvement, on last season, comes from Kirk, Fraser, JFC and Aneke. Is that enough?
IMO we are now at about the stage we finished the 2020/21 season.0 -
Portsmouth are bang in trouble. Dinosaur manager and owner isn't investing.Chunes said:
What are their budgets?Vfrf said:
Sheffield, Derby, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Peteborough, Barnsley. Unless we're planning some pretty(extremely) decent players for the 'few more' incomings.Chunes said:
What six teams will have a higher budget?Vfrf said:
It would unfortunately give a lot of credence to those going against Sandgaard recently from a budget perspective. We've got rid of high wages in Watson, Leko, Arter, Gunter, Pearce, Washington & Souare and replaced them with mostly League Two or bottom half League One players. I'm all for poaching the best of League Two but it hardly screams top six budget to me this year.ButtleJR said:Only expecting a few more before the deadline now. Squad almost complete...
You might want to have a look at the Portsmouth squad.4 -
Excellent point. Last season yes we can point to lacking anyone getting close to Stockley and Washington for goals and say we need a midfielder who can score double figures but actually the bigger issue was lack of goals throughout the team, Purrington with 3 was the highest scoring player not a striker.BR7_addick said:Fraser last full season in league one, 14 goals.
Kirk last full season in league one, 6 goals.
JFC last full season in league one, 6 goals.
McGrandles last full season in league one, 2 goals.All four now playing in a better side than their last full season, I’m not saying they will score loads of goals between them, but there is reason for optimism. We need another winger who can contribute too.1 -
I personally think you ignored the most important one which is CBT. Is he consistent enough to score and create to be in a promotion challenging side.BR7_addick said:Fraser last full season in league one, 14 goals.
Kirk last full season in league one, 6 goals.
JFC last full season in league one, 6 goals.
McGrandles last full season in league one, 2 goals.All four now playing in a better side than their last full season, I’m not saying they will score loads of goals between them, but there is reason for optimism. We need another winger who can contribute too.1 -
The biggest positive difference between this season and last few, is that with a month to go, we have a team who can go into the first game of the season already with expectations of winning it, more than just hoping to.
There definitely has to be more movement to have a full squad ready for a winning season, but that is a big plus compared to previous years.3 -
Prefer he stuck to the cricket...especially in his current form!Dave Rudd said:
Correct.ShootersHillGuru said:Still not enough goals. Until that’s addressed we won’t get out of this division.
Even allowing for the 15 'wishful thinking' goals that Aneke will get from the treatment table bench.
Davison is the interesting one. He's clearly not good enough, and yet Garner fancied him enough last season.
Is that a reflection on Garner's assessment of a player or a feature of the budget he was working with?
I don't know who's out there that we might be able to attract, but a poacher is essential if we are to be serious contenders this season.
Can Bairstow kick a ball?2 -
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