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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

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  • Clarky
    Clarky Posts: 582
    Been away for a couple of days so after catching up on a few hundred posts there are loads banging on about the areas where we still need strengthening. Now although I don't disagree with this, it does become very tedious reading the same thing over and over again when we are pretty much all in agreement as to what is needed. Unless amongst all this repetitiveness I have missed TS saying our transfer business is now concluded can't we just wait and see how it pans out?
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,388
    edited July 2022
    Covered End said:
    JamesSeed said:
    Looks to me like we’re working our way into a budgetary surplus, with expensive players going and relatively inexpensive ones being recruited from league two. 
    I think we clearly need improvements up front if we’re serious about promotion, but now perhaps after all the wage trimming we can afford to splash the cash a little. This would also help with loans which can also put pressure on the wage bill.
    Budget surplus?
    No chance, getting rid of Gunter, Matthews etc won't save £8M.
    We couldn't even run a surplus if we went part time (transfer profits apart).
    In fact we would still make a loss if we had no players to pay.
    Sorry, I meant the player budget rather than the overall budget, should have made that clear.
    Players like Leko and Lee would also have added to the wages bill, and we have seen a decent number leaving, including Pearce and Washington who would both have been on relatively high wages.
  • Charlton_Stu
    Charlton_Stu Posts: 3,873
    Charlton want to sign Tyreeq Bakinson from Bristol City. #cafc #BristolCity saw this on twitter, another midfielder.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,016
    balham red said:
    Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.

    It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
    I think we'd be more looking at a "forward" than a winger per se personally, a player who is nominally out wide but can cut in and attack directly instead of/as well as crossing it in, or drops deeper between midfield and striker positions - a bit like Kermorgant or Taylor did to great effect.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,388
    edited July 2022
    BR7_addick said:
    addick1956 said:
    BR7_addick said:
    addick1956 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    BR7_addick said:
    Aneke in league one for us:

    Apps 47 (most of which are from the bench)
    Goals 19

    I don’t have the minutes per goal stats but I can assure anyone it’ll be very good.  If Chuks is fit, Chuks scores, at this level.  It’s only because of his terrible record with injury that we need another forward.  
    In 20-21:
    38 appearances (11 starts + 27 subs) - 1522 minutes. 15 goals.

    Last season:
    9 appearances (4 starts + 5 subs) - 444 minutes. 4 goals.

    Total: 19 goals in 1966 minutes. A goal every 103 minutes.
    What about his time at Birmingham ?
    “Aneke in league one for us”
     That is ignoring a part of his career that actually makes wose your already poor figures. 
    It’s ignoring a part of his career which is not in league one because we are not in league one.

    Also, poor figures?  A goal every 103 minutes is superb, it was the best strike rate in league one 20/21.  This isn’t opinion, just basic maths.  
    The nearest was a goal every 144 minutes I think. But his minutes tended to be as sub against tiring defences. Not that I don’t rate him, I do. Just wish he could start matches and still be as effective.
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,215
    JamesSeed said:
    BR7_addick said:
    addick1956 said:
    BR7_addick said:
    addick1956 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    BR7_addick said:
    Aneke in league one for us:

    Apps 47 (most of which are from the bench)
    Goals 19

    I don’t have the minutes per goal stats but I can assure anyone it’ll be very good.  If Chuks is fit, Chuks scores, at this level.  It’s only because of his terrible record with injury that we need another forward.  
    In 20-21:
    38 appearances (11 starts + 27 subs) - 1522 minutes. 15 goals.

    Last season:
    9 appearances (4 starts + 5 subs) - 444 minutes. 4 goals.

    Total: 19 goals in 1966 minutes. A goal every 103 minutes.
    What about his time at Birmingham ?
    “Aneke in league one for us”
     That is ignoring a part of his career that actually makes wose your already poor figures. 
    It’s ignoring a part of his career which is not in league one because we are not in league one.

    Also, poor figures?  A goal every 103 minutes is superb, it was the best strike rate in league one 20/21.  This isn’t opinion, just basic maths.  
    The nearest was a goal every 144 minutes I think. But his minutes tended to be as sub against tiring defences. Not that I don’t rate him, I do. Just wish he could start matches and still be effective.
    Agree I’ve no comeback to those saying they don’t want Aneke due to his injury record, that makes sense, but suggesting he won’t score (if he plays) is nonsense when you look at his previous.  
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,437
    Charlton_Stu said:
    Charlton want to sign Tyreeq Bakinson from Bristol City. #cafc #BristolCity saw this on twitter, another midfielder.
    Scored for Ipswich against us in the final game. I’m sure his name came up in this thread before but may have been a suggestion.

    He’s in his early 20s and been on a few loans so could see it happening, similar profile to Sessegnon in terms of experience.

    Found the tweet you’re referring to, very strange account:


  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,335
    balham red said:
    Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.

    It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
    I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.
    I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,553
    Would still argue we need 2 more forwards in even if we do play 433/231 every game.  Aneke might play 30 games next season, he might only play 12, just don't know. Then you're back to stockley and one other with a kid on the bench much like the end of last season. Stockley throws his back/hip out again and you've got kanu playing more than he probably should.

    1 out and out striker
    1 wide forward 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    balham red said:
    Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.

    It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
    Don't agree on CBT, think he's got the potential to be a very good wing-back, especially with someone like Fraser and hopefully a better back 3 behind him. Agree on DJ and Kirk, although we could keep one of them with 433 being a option on certain games too. 

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  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,457
    Charlton_Stu said:
    Charlton want to sign Tyreeq Bakinson from Bristol City. #cafc #BristolCity saw this on twitter, another midfielder.
    5 goals in 54 appearances for Brizzel, 10 in 132 across his career. Not sure we need another non-scoring midfielder?
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,130
    Redrobo said:
    balham red said:
    Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.

    It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
    I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.
    I am expecting a loan from a Prem club
    I agree. Kanu is a child.
    I'll be astonished if he is part of first team plans.
    Might get a sub appearance in Pizza cup maybe.
    Anyway, I fully expect him to be sold before he makes a first team league appearance.  ;)
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,182
    sam3110 said:
    Centre backs, I'm hoping we can utilise Lavelle, O'Donnell, Elewere, Inniss and Clare, and if we're playing 3 at the back I'd expect one more in, preferably left footed and comfortable on the ball. 

    I want another left back, a striker, a goalscoring midfielder and a winger in as well, with 3 leaving to make room for that. I think the 3 leaving should be Morgan, Gilbey and Davison. 
    Would like to see DJ go as well, he’s crap. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    randy andy said:
    Charlton_Stu said:
    Charlton want to sign Tyreeq Bakinson from Bristol City. #cafc #BristolCity saw this on twitter, another midfielder.
    5 goals in 54 appearances for Brizzel, 10 in 132 across his career. Not sure we need another non-scoring midfielder?
    Agreed, don't think we need Bakinson aswell as McGrandles
  • RedRobin
    RedRobin Posts: 1,377
    Read that Bristol City were looking to offload Bakinson, not sure we need more CM’s unless someone goes? 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,274
    DJ will thrive under Garner IMHO
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,827
    edited July 2022
    Henry Irving said:
    DJ will thrive under Garner IMHO
    Feel this way too. Similarly with Kirk.

    One additional wide player that can complement them both plus CBT and I think we are set in that area of the pitch.

    Don’t forget that both Egbo and Sessegnon can also play further up the pitch as well.


    My wishlist at this point is a left back, a left sided centre back, a winger (either side) and a striker.

    Past those additions, I’d expect outgoings before any incomings.
  • CAFCBourne
    CAFCBourne Posts: 3,794
    Henry Irving said:
    DJ will thrive under Garner IMHO

    LargeAddick said:
    I like DJ. None of our managers got a tune out of him but I think Garner can. Plus he was the Swindon advance party paving the way for the rest to follow.
    He's shit
  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 2,867
    Henry Irving said:
    DJ will thrive under Garner IMHO
    Another for the May 2023 'opinion comparison' thread.
  • Addickhead86
    Addickhead86 Posts: 1,152
    I think a problem for the past few years is that our movement off the ball was non existent. We relied on our couple of fast players skinning their man to open up. With a new way of playing, some of those players (Kirk, DJ) might find themselves with more space and more options. I wouldn't rule them out yet.

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,385
    Henry Irving said:
    DJ will thrive under Garner IMHO
    "There is no me and you"
  • Charlton_Stu
    Charlton_Stu Posts: 3,873
    randy andy said:
    Charlton_Stu said:
    Charlton want to sign Tyreeq Bakinson from Bristol City. #cafc #BristolCity saw this on twitter, another midfielder.
    5 goals in 54 appearances for Brizzel, 10 in 132 across his career. Not sure we need another non-scoring midfielder?
    I agree but he adds height to the side, which our midfield lack.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,274
    Dave Rudd said:
    Henry Irving said:
    DJ will thrive under Garner IMHO
    Another for the May 2023 'opinion comparison' thread.
    Why this opinion but not this one?

    CAFCBourne said:
    Henry Irving said:
    DJ will thrive under Garner IMHO

    LargeAddick said:
    I like DJ. None of our managers got a tune out of him but I think Garner can. Plus he was the Swindon advance party paving the way for the rest to follow.
    He's shit

  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,385
    cafcfan1990 said:
    balham red said:
    Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.

    It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
    Don't agree on CBT, think he's got the potential to be a very good wing-back, especially with someone like Fraser and hopefully a better back 3 behind him. Agree on DJ and Kirk, although we could keep one of them with 433 being a option on certain games too. 
    Don't do this to poor CBT. Don't make him defend. He shouldn't have to 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Leuth said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    balham red said:
    Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.

    It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
    Don't agree on CBT, think he's got the potential to be a very good wing-back, especially with someone like Fraser and hopefully a better back 3 behind him. Agree on DJ and Kirk, although we could keep one of them with 433 being a option on certain games too. 
    Don't do this to poor CBT. Don't make him defend. He shouldn't have to 
    I think if we have a back 3 plus Dobson and McGrandles in midfield, then the wing-backs won't be expected to do much defending. I'd prefer him to play down the wing in 433 but I just don't agree that 352 renders CBT useless. Possibly does to the other 2, more so Kirk but we also need the option to switch formations on occasions. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,827
    edited July 2022
    Players who can play in each position (so some names may appear twice) (X will be where I think we need further additions, bolded players I wouldn't be against moving on and replacing with better):

    GK: MacGillivray, Wollacott, Harness

    Full back/wing back: Egbo, Sessegnon, X, Clare, Blackett-Taylor

    Centre back: O'Connell, Lavelle, X, Inniss, Elerewe, Clare, Dobson

    Defensive mid: Dobson, McGrandles, Forster-Caskey, Clare

    Midfield: Fraser, Forster-Caskey, McGrandles, Gilbey, Morgan, Clare

    Winger: Kirk, DJ, Blackett-Taylor, X, Sessegnon, Egbo

    Striker: Stockley, X, Aneke, Davison
  • Addick_and_Chips
    Addick_and_Chips Posts: 447
    Henry Irving said:
    DJ will thrive under Garner IMHO
    Completely agree. I'm looking forward to watching him this season. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Bangkokaddick said:
    Leaburn Forever said:
    What about taking a chance on this striker, he's 43 so wouldn't cost a lot and is a prolific goalscorer at non league level.  I have followed this strikers career for years, always believing he would become a prolific goalscorer one day

    He probably still looks about 19!
    He looks younger than his kids!
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Scoham said:
    SheedyCAFC said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    We need another striker, possibly two and another left back. I'd be happy with that in all honesty.
    I’d add a winger better than Jaiyesimi to the list personally, he was played out of position for the most part last year but I can’t see him playing a major role in a promotion-winning side.
    I wonder if he’ll play more central. It wasn’t clear what the formation was in the first half vs Kilmarnock but it could be argued it was a 3-4-2–1 with Aneke and DJ as the 2.
    Scoham said:
    SheedyCAFC said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    We need another striker, possibly two and another left back. I'd be happy with that in all honesty.
    I’d add a winger better than Jaiyesimi to the list personally, he was played out of position for the most part last year but I can’t see him playing a major role in a promotion-winning side.
    I wonder if he’ll play more central. It wasn’t clear what the formation was in the first half vs Kilmarnock but it could be argued it was a 3-4-2–1 with Aneke and DJ as the 2.
    Ir was a 433 but it was very unsymmetrical.  
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,215
    addick1956 said:
    BR7_addick said:
    addick1956 said:
    BR7_addick said:
    addick1956 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    BR7_addick said:
    Aneke in league one for us:

    Apps 47 (most of which are from the bench)
    Goals 19

    I don’t have the minutes per goal stats but I can assure anyone it’ll be very good.  If Chuks is fit, Chuks scores, at this level.  It’s only because of his terrible record with injury that we need another forward.  
    In 20-21:
    38 appearances (11 starts + 27 subs) - 1522 minutes. 15 goals.

    Last season:
    9 appearances (4 starts + 5 subs) - 444 minutes. 4 goals.

    Total: 19 goals in 1966 minutes. A goal every 103 minutes.
    What about his time at Birmingham ?
    “Aneke in league one for us”
     That is ignoring a part of his career that actually makes wose your already poor figures. 
    It’s ignoring a part of his career which is not in league one because we are not in league one.

    Also, poor figures?  A goal every 103 minutes is superb, it was the best strike rate in league one 20/21.  This isn’t opinion, just basic maths.  
    Not if he only manages 17 games and plays for about 25 mins in each. And you can't build an incomplete stat as you have done. He did play in Birmingham very recently.  He was also sd on quick by Bowyer. 
    That’s literally what everyone in here has said, “if” he’s fit he will score goals, based on his history in league one.  

    There is no incomplete stats, myself and Chris_Sidcup posted his stats from league one because we are in league one, in the same fashion that I’ve ignored Kirk’s stats from league two and Aneke’s stats from the championship because we are not in those respective leagues, this isn’t difficult logic.  

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