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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Based on what we have seen from Davison, I can’t see how anyone would be happy with him being relied upon, unless there has been an amazing pre season improvement, sadly he just isn’t at the level required for a team hoping for promotion out of league 1.16
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According to Charlton fans Jackson loved half the squad and they would all follow him to Wimbledon and hated Gunter who he wouldn't piss on if he was fire, let alone sign.......ElliotCAFC said:If Swindon fans are anything to go by then Ben Garner is a big fan of Davison. I’d be surprised to see him leave.3 -
Sheffield Wednesday interested in Akin Famewo, no future at Norwich0
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Said this months ago. If he is involved in the squad, it means we don’t have the quality in depth needed to challenge because I am certain other clubs will have 3 strikers better and at least their 3rd choice being miles better than Davison. No offence to him but he’s League Two standard and that’s not going to get us into the Championship, even as 4th choice.DDOUBLEE said:If Josh Davison is one of our 4 striking options this season, then we won't be making the top 6. Simple as that.17 -
We will see. Josh Parker was our second/third choice for half a season in 2019... successful teams don't tend to have their top quality strikers sitting on the bench.2
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When Washington and Stockley were injured last season we could’ve done without Davison being on loan at Swindon.4
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Never realised (or remembered maybe) that he went to millwallLeaburn Forever said:
What about taking a chance on this striker, he's 43 so wouldn't cost a lot and is a prolific goalscorer at non league level. I have followed this strikers career for years, always believing he would become a prolific goalscorer one day0 -
Where he was in a team full of players better than League One level and many of whom either play in the Championship now, or better. Using Parker as an example is not comparable when Davison will be part of a team, where majority have failed for the last 1 or 2 seasons.Callumcafc said:We will see. Josh Parker was our second/third choice for half a season in 2019...
Two times we have been promoted from this league we have had BWP, Yann, and Haynes for half a season, 2 of which full season, and Taylor, Grant, and Igor for half a season, 2 of which full season. You need 2 or 3 top quality forwards for this league to get out of it.6 -
Yet to see any performance from Davison that even comes close to how well Parker played in that play-off final tbh2
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Agreed. We have two in Stockley and Aneke. We need a third and Davison can be fourth choice. He won't get you out of your seat but he's a known quantity to both the rest of the squad and the new manager. Where's the problem with keeping him around?Sage said:
Where he was in a team full of players better than League One level and many of whom either play in the Championship now, or better. Using Parker as an example is not comparable when Davison will be part of a team, where majority have failed for the last 1 or 2 seasons.Callumcafc said:We will see. Josh Parker was our second/third choice for half a season in 2019...
Two times we have been promoted from this league we have had BWP, Yann, and Haynes for half a season, 2 of which full season, and Taylor, Grant, and Igor for half a season, 2 of which full season. You need 2 or 3 top quality forwards for this league to get out of it.
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At the moment if Stockley is injured and Aneke unable to start games then we are reliant on Davison. He tries hard but is nowhere near good enough. I know this is likely to change but rumours are other signings are going to be late in the window so if Stockley gets an injury in pre season then it’s likely Davison would start.3
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If Davison stays there is no logic in Washington leaving unless we bring in a striker/ forward better than the latter we'd be weaker up front than we ended the season.
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Bit of pre-season optimism at play here? The first time I saw Davison, I thought he would never make it here. Then he looked OK under Adkins, but there were times last season where he looked so out of his depth that I genuinely felt embarrassed for him. So while I'm not going to say he must go, I do have some sympathy with people who feel he shouldn't be around the squad.Callumcafc said:
Agreed. We have two in Stockley and Aneke. We need a third and Davison can be fourth choice. He won't get you out of your seat but he's a known quantity to both the rest of the squad and the new manager. Where's the problem with keeping him around?Sage said:
Where he was in a team full of players better than League One level and many of whom either play in the Championship now, or better. Using Parker as an example is not comparable when Davison will be part of a team, where majority have failed for the last 1 or 2 seasons.Callumcafc said:We will see. Josh Parker was our second/third choice for half a season in 2019...
Two times we have been promoted from this league we have had BWP, Yann, and Haynes for half a season, 2 of which full season, and Taylor, Grant, and Igor for half a season, 2 of which full season. You need 2 or 3 top quality forwards for this league to get out of it.1 -
Washington doesn’t suit a system that plays with 1 striker, Davison does. So it makes sense if that is how we are going to play. Also Washington is probably on at least double his wage so might have made more sense to not spend big on what will hopefully be a 4th choice striker and we can use that money elsewhere on 1st/2nd choice playersRodneyCharltonTrotta said:If Davison stays there is no logic in Washington leaving unless we bring in a striker/ forward better than the latter we'd be weaker up front than we ended the season.3 -
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club3 -
We played five different strikers in 18/19. Aside from Taylor and Grant, Vetokele was the top goalscorer with three goals.Chunes said:
Bit of pre-season optimism at play here? The first time I saw Davison, I thought he would never make it here. Then he looked OK under Adkins, but there were times last season where he looked so out of his depth that I genuinely felt embarrassed for him. So while I'm not going to say he must go, I do have some sympathy with people who feel he shouldn't be around the squad.Callumcafc said:
Agreed. We have two in Stockley and Aneke. We need a third and Davison can be fourth choice. He won't get you out of your seat but he's a known quantity to both the rest of the squad and the new manager. Where's the problem with keeping him around?Sage said:
Where he was in a team full of players better than League One level and many of whom either play in the Championship now, or better. Using Parker as an example is not comparable when Davison will be part of a team, where majority have failed for the last 1 or 2 seasons.Callumcafc said:We will see. Josh Parker was our second/third choice for half a season in 2019...
Two times we have been promoted from this league we have had BWP, Yann, and Haynes for half a season, 2 of which full season, and Taylor, Grant, and Igor for half a season, 2 of which full season. You need 2 or 3 top quality forwards for this league to get out of it.
We played with six different strikers in 12/12. Aside from BWP and Kermorgant, N'Guessan was the top goalscorer with four goals.
I would back Davison to score 4 or 5 himself if he's here for the whole season.
You don't need as many free scoring forwards as you think. Just a couple of decent ones that can stay fit - for me that's Stockley and one other.
Half the calls for two or three top quality players read to me like a contigency plan incase of x, y or z. That's great, but it's not something we can afford as a third tier club. And honestly, once someone does come in, we're in unfamiliar territory by having someone as good as Aneke waiting in the wings.3 -
I'm not advocating for any of that. It's not the end of the world if he stays but at the same time there are genuine concerns about whether he's at all good enough to play in this league. And if Stockley and Chuks are both out (not unfeasible) then a period with Davison up front could end up costing us crucial points. We saw similar last season even though the points ultimately ended up meaning nothing.Callumcafc said:
We played five different strikers in 18/19. Aside from Taylor and Grant, Vetokele was the top goalscorer with three goals.Chunes said:
Bit of pre-season optimism at play here? The first time I saw Davison, I thought he would never make it here. Then he looked OK under Adkins, but there were times last season where he looked so out of his depth that I genuinely felt embarrassed for him. So while I'm not going to say he must go, I do have some sympathy with people who feel he shouldn't be around the squad.Callumcafc said:
Agreed. We have two in Stockley and Aneke. We need a third and Davison can be fourth choice. He won't get you out of your seat but he's a known quantity to both the rest of the squad and the new manager. Where's the problem with keeping him around?Sage said:
Where he was in a team full of players better than League One level and many of whom either play in the Championship now, or better. Using Parker as an example is not comparable when Davison will be part of a team, where majority have failed for the last 1 or 2 seasons.Callumcafc said:We will see. Josh Parker was our second/third choice for half a season in 2019...
Two times we have been promoted from this league we have had BWP, Yann, and Haynes for half a season, 2 of which full season, and Taylor, Grant, and Igor for half a season, 2 of which full season. You need 2 or 3 top quality forwards for this league to get out of it.
We played with six different strikers in 12/12. Aside from BWP and Kermorgant, N'Guessan was the top goalscorer with four goals.
I would back Davison to score 4 or 5 himself if he's here for the whole season.
You don't need as many free scoring forwards as you think. Just a couple of decent ones that can stay fit - for me that's Stockley and one other.
Half the calls for two or three top quality players read to me like a contigency plan incase of x, y or z. That's great, but it's not something we can afford as a third tier club. And honestly, once someone does come in, we're in unfamiliar territory by having someone as good as Aneke waiting in the wings.
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Problem is he takes up a squad place instead of someone with the quality we need to get out this league. Aneke won’t start many games so we need 2 more good additions and Davison to leave. Without that, we will struggle up top again, even with Stockley and Aneke likely to get 30-35 goals between them.Callumcafc said:
Agreed. We have two in Stockley and Aneke. We need a third and Davison can be fourth choice. He won't get you out of your seat but he's a known quantity to both the rest of the squad and the new manager. Where's the problem with keeping him around?Sage said:
Where he was in a team full of players better than League One level and many of whom either play in the Championship now, or better. Using Parker as an example is not comparable when Davison will be part of a team, where majority have failed for the last 1 or 2 seasons.Callumcafc said:We will see. Josh Parker was our second/third choice for half a season in 2019...
Two times we have been promoted from this league we have had BWP, Yann, and Haynes for half a season, 2 of which full season, and Taylor, Grant, and Igor for half a season, 2 of which full season. You need 2 or 3 top quality forwards for this league to get out of it.9 -
I’m afraid Davison is in the same category as DJ.
As an earlier poster succinctly put it
He’s shit.4 -
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West Brom at home in the champ, he absolutely bullied Bartley and Ajayi to be fair to him. I don't rate Davisin for the record, but that performance was streets ahead of anything Parker offered us.DDOUBLEE said:Yet to see any performance from Davison that even comes close to how well Parker played in that play-off final tbh
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Ideally Davison is replaced by a more proven striker and perhaps an u21 Prem striker on loan to give us depth without taking up a squad place. If one of two new strikers can play out wide that would give us three main strikers and another who can cover as needed.6
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If Stockley and Aneke got 30 goals, the new bloke got 10, that's 40 goals which betters the totals from BWP/Kermorgant and Taylor/Grant from previous promotion seasons. Why do we need a fourth striker with that same goalscoring ability that won't get many minutes but is going to cost a chunk of money that could be better used elsewhere?Sage said:
Problem is he takes up a squad place instead of someone with the quality we need to get out this league. Aneke won’t start many games so we need 2 more good additions and Davison to leave. Without that, we will struggle up top again, even with Stockley and Aneke likely to get 30-35 goals between them.Callumcafc said:
Agreed. We have two in Stockley and Aneke. We need a third and Davison can be fourth choice. He won't get you out of your seat but he's a known quantity to both the rest of the squad and the new manager. Where's the problem with keeping him around?Sage said:
Where he was in a team full of players better than League One level and many of whom either play in the Championship now, or better. Using Parker as an example is not comparable when Davison will be part of a team, where majority have failed for the last 1 or 2 seasons.Callumcafc said:We will see. Josh Parker was our second/third choice for half a season in 2019...
Two times we have been promoted from this league we have had BWP, Yann, and Haynes for half a season, 2 of which full season, and Taylor, Grant, and Igor for half a season, 2 of which full season. You need 2 or 3 top quality forwards for this league to get out of it.
If they decide it's in the budget that Davison should be moved on and replaced, I'm onboard with it because I don't think he's fantastic either. Just trying to temper expectations because we never end up with as many signings as everyone wants. It's a fact of life supporting Charlton.
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He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club8 -
Rooney was a freak. Kane, Shearer, Ronaldo, Henry, RVN etc etc weren't playing regularly at 17.CAFCsayer said:
He got 41 goals and continued scoring at u23 level. I don't get the whole "he's 17, he's not ready", he is clearly too good for our youth levels. We are in league 1. Rooney was playing for Everton at this point, if you're old enough, you're good enough. would like to see him given a go in pre-season, the kid clearly knows where the goal is.charltonbob said:
He's 17 & as I've said a couple of times JJ commented at the end of the season that Kanu is nowhere near ready for first team football. Mind you if Martins black box came up with Marquis until Garner vetoed that one who knows who else we are looking at.Redrobo said:
I am not convinced that Kanu is ready to step up to the first team just yet.balham red said:Surely not 3-5-2. It consigns DJ, Kirk and CBT to the bin. 4-3-3 must be the plan, so striker-wise Stockley, Chuks, Kanu and 1 more is enough, as I assume Davison will either be sold or go on loan.
It's 1 more goal scoring winger that we really need.
I am expecting a loan from a Prem club3 -
BWP, Yann, Taylor and Grant largely stayed fit all season. I agree we won't end up with four quality strikers but with Aneke as one of our strikers we need more depth than we had in those seasons. We also no longer have the luxury of being able to sign short term loans like Powell did.Callumcafc said:
If Stockley and Aneke got 30 goals, the new bloke got 10, that's 40 goals which betters the totals from BWP/Kermorgant and Taylor/Grant from previous promotion seasons. Why do we need a fourth striker with that same goalscoring ability that won't get many minutes but is going to cost a chunk of money that could be better used elsewhere?Sage said:
Problem is he takes up a squad place instead of someone with the quality we need to get out this league. Aneke won’t start many games so we need 2 more good additions and Davison to leave. Without that, we will struggle up top again, even with Stockley and Aneke likely to get 30-35 goals between them.Callumcafc said:
Agreed. We have two in Stockley and Aneke. We need a third and Davison can be fourth choice. He won't get you out of your seat but he's a known quantity to both the rest of the squad and the new manager. Where's the problem with keeping him around?Sage said:
Where he was in a team full of players better than League One level and many of whom either play in the Championship now, or better. Using Parker as an example is not comparable when Davison will be part of a team, where majority have failed for the last 1 or 2 seasons.Callumcafc said:We will see. Josh Parker was our second/third choice for half a season in 2019...
Two times we have been promoted from this league we have had BWP, Yann, and Haynes for half a season, 2 of which full season, and Taylor, Grant, and Igor for half a season, 2 of which full season. You need 2 or 3 top quality forwards for this league to get out of it.
If they decide it's in the budget that Davison should be moved on and replaced, I'm onboard with it because I don't think he's fantastic either. Just trying to temper expectations because we never end up with as many signings as everyone wants. It's a fact of life supporting Charlton.1 -
Title needs to be changed.
Guess the formation and argue the toss thread
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nothing impossible about it - sure he's a nice lad and he works hard but davison is not up to it and we need 2 strikers inForeverAddickted said:
Impossible to read into, and will be interesting to see if there is anything different against Dartford.JamesSeed said:
Davison is not a promotion winning forward imho. Aneke comes off the bench, not Davison, and no way will he start. So what’s his role?Callumcafc said:
I'm expecting one and Davison to stay, personally. Maybe one and a half if we're after a winger that can also do a job up front.blackpool72 said:
We definitely need to offload Davison and sign 2.Callumcafc said:
You want us to sign three strikerI'm s?golfaddick said:
Just wading into this debate.BR7_addick said:
It’s ignoring a part of his career which is not in league one because we are not in league one.addick1956 said:
That is ignoring a part of his career that actually makes wose your already poor figures.BR7_addick said:
“Aneke in league one for us”addick1956 said:
What about his time at Birmingham ?Chris_from_Sidcup said:
In 20-21:BR7_addick said:Aneke in league one for us:
Apps 47 (most of which are from the bench)
Goals 19
I don’t have the minutes per goal stats but I can assure anyone it’ll be very good. If Chuks is fit, Chuks scores, at this level. It’s only because of his terrible record with injury that we need another forward.
38 appearances (11 starts + 27 subs) - 1522 minutes. 15 goals.
Last season:
9 appearances (4 starts + 5 subs) - 444 minutes. 4 goals.
Total: 19 goals in 1966 minutes. A goal every 103 minutes.
Also, poor figures? A goal every 103 minutes is superb, it was the best strike rate in league one 20/21. This isn’t opinion, just basic maths.
Aneke is a beast & his figures for the season before he left showed his goals per minutes was in the top 3.
HOWEVER
That season he couldnt play even 90 mins, let alone sat/tues/sat. It's no good having a great striker if he can only play 50% of the time. Stockton I believe played 45 league games last season.
If you are going to have Aneke at your club you are going to need at least 4 strikers.....and that doesn't include Davison.
Just my opinion
Agree that we definitely need two if Davison goes.
But Davison played up front in a similar Stockley role last Saturday
Aneke on the other hand played as the attacking midfielder / support striker in the 4-2-3-1 type role, rather than as a Striker himself.
If thats the case its Davison vs Stockley for the starting spot against Accrington - So we definitely need a third Striker to compete with those two at the very least... If 4-2-3-1 became the first choice approach, then Aneke is almost there to compete with Fraser.
Unless of course thats going to be a change with DJ going back to the role he played for Swindon - As he pretty much played alongside Davison on Saturday.2 -
The problem isn't that Davison is or isn't good enough to play, be 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice. He might "come good" he might not.
We won't get promoted, or not get promoted purely because Davison is or isn't in the squad.
The problem is today its Davison, yesterday it was Gilbey, tomorrow it will be Morgan. Its been Kirk, DJ, Clare, MacGillivray and Lavelle. It has been the fitness of Inniss, Aneke, Fraser, CBT and JFC.
It's been the suitability of Stockley and even Dobson to "the way we want to play".
There is a question mark over far, far too many of the "legacy" players.17 -
The big unknown is what formation we will mainly play up front
Play with 2 strikers, then we need strikers who can play with the likes of Stockey and Aneke
Play with a front 3, then we need forwards who can play in wider areas. We can't have wingers who don't score many goals there, they need to be more like Liverpool's wide forwards.5
