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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Even going with 25000; at £45 a ticket (is that the going rate for an outside gig theses days??), it would be £1.25m grossDamoNorthStand said:I wonder what the capacity would be for a concert with fans on the pitch? And how that impacts how they get in and out? Parking, capacity of Charlton Station, getting people from the O2 to the ground.
Biggest issue I had when working on the Coe / Broughton Chelsea bid was the logistics around increasing the capacity of Stamford Bridge. The council wouldn't allow an extra 25,000 people per game streaming out of Fulham Broadway tube onto the high street so we would have to build a direct link from the tube across to the stadium at a massive cost.
That was at least partly worth considering as it was a recurring scenario. I dont know how it would work with a one off game.
Thinking the south would be closed...... people sitting in the north, west and east and on the pitch. What's that gonna be - 40,000? Best chance of controlling the noise would be having the stage facing away from the flats and the sound going the other way..... natural bowl of the North could hold more in from Harvey Gardens direction.
Edit* Just looked and Ed Sheeran was £50 to £80 a ticket for his recent London gig1 -
40000 people at charlton Station would be absolute carnage.1
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I'll be good to see The Valley used for a few different things again - it's a real shame we never put ourselves forward for Euro 2022. Anyway.
Hosting a concert there would be a much bigger endeavour than a football match - not least because The Valley is built (and licensed) for football matches rather than concerts.
Yep, a night match causes disruption, but that's one most neighbours apart from a minority of diehard miseries can live with - there's a rhythm that people are used to. The odd TV truck trying to squeeze down the back roads for a live game would be the biggest inconvenience. The noise carries, but is sporadic and only lasts for a couple of hours and it's not like the old days when you could see the floodlights for miles. Except in exceptional circumstances, the match is over by 10 and things have quietened down by 11.
For a gig you'd need at least a day/two days of stage set-up - with attendant noise/disruption. I'm not sure about the layout used for the Elton John show but you'd need to get some decent facilities in for the acts. Then a load of soundchecks. And you'd probably have two or three support acts - maybe more - so you're looking at a show lasting from 5pm to 11pm, with noise carrying all the way through. And then everyone's got to get out and get home.
While the capacity's not likely to be much different from a football match (Tottenham is the same capacity for everything) and maybe fewer people will drive there because more will want a drink - there'll have to be some way to manage parking, because The Valley car park's going to end up being taken up for a load of back-of-house stuff. And, of course, someone's going to have to check the trains will be running; maybe even persuading Southeastern to chuck on an extra train to clear the crowds.
And then you'd need another day or two to take it all down and truck it out again. So you might be looking at two or three shows to get your money's worth.
All of which is going to have be in a licence to be negotiated with the council and police, and against a fair number of likely objections from some of those diehard miseries mentioned above.
It's a bit of a shame Sandgaard let that slip in a magazine read by a tiny handful of business owners rather than talking to residents, but I think we're all used to his way of communicating now...
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Except who wants to play at The Valley when the O2 is less than 3 miles away???...
Policing, security, artist cut of receipts etc etc
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No chance whatsoever of a capacity higher than the football limit, due to safety route capacities. I’d be surprised if more than 20,000 were allowed.
@InspectorSands is spot on with the hazards of floating this in the way it has been done. It has the smell of a PR own goal.2 -
and even if we had applied for Euro 2022, I don't think we would have got it over Brentford.1
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Don't think the noise concerns will be an issue. After all no concert on earth could generate a louder and sustained sound than the renowned "West stand roar" on a matchday.14
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Just give it to cover bands.
Doesn't need to be a sell out.
You want some music that you may like. Get yourself down the valley for just £201 -
Didn’t we have Elton John (or similar) at the Valley within ‘recent’ history?0
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SuedeAdidas said:Didn’t we have Elton John (or similar) at the Valley within ‘recent’ history?
2006. The gig that made him and put him on the world stage he recalls.13 - Sponsored links:
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That was his Groundhopping tourSuedeAdidas said:Didn’t we have Elton John (or similar) at the Valley within ‘recent’ history?0 -
And he’s dill danding to this very day.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SuedeAdidas said:Didn’t we have Elton John (or similar) at the Valley within ‘recent’ history?
2006. The gig that made him and put him on the world stage he recalls.5 -
I knew the guy who organised music acts to play at Colchester United for many years (quite big names like Lionel Ritchie, Elton John, and Ollie Murs). A lot of hard work, but perfectly achievable. I can't believe that the Community Stadium has miles better facilities than The Valley.
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Not in a predominantly residential area though, is it?1
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With regard to internationals I think there's a lot of schmoozing that needs to happen to persuade the FA bigwigs (or UEFA/FIFA ones etc...) to host a match on your ground, I don't think these decisions are made based on the quality of your facilities alone. I can imagine Brentford and Brighton are being used because some people on their respective boards have close ties with the FA. I don't think our current setup in charge are aware (or even bothered) enough or connected enough to go through all that.InspectorSands said:I'll be good to see The Valley used for a few different things again - it's a real shame we never put ourselves forward for Euro 2022. Anyway.
Its a shame because the Valley would be perfect for something like a mens u21 England match, or a women's international. I think the last time we hosted the England u21s was in 1997?0 -
The Amex is a better stadium and Brentford is shiny new stadium with really good facilities, the FA were looking for Amex sized stadiums for the England group, and the Valley is the wrong size for the rest of the tournamentCAFCTrev said:
With regard to internationals I think there's a lot of schmoozing that needs to happen to persuade the FA bigwigs (or UEFA/FIFA ones etc...) to host a match on your ground, I don't think these decisions are made based on the quality of your facilities alone. I can imagine Brentford and Brighton are being used because some people on their respective boards have close ties with the FA. I don't think our current setup in charge are aware (or even bothered) enough or connected enough to go through all that.InspectorSands said:I'll be good to see The Valley used for a few different things again - it's a real shame we never put ourselves forward for Euro 2022. Anyway.
Its a shame because the Valley would be perfect for something like a mens u21 England match, or a women's international. I think the last time we hosted the England u21s was in 1997?0 -
I don't think they were apposed to using older grounds (they're using Bramall Lane), Id like to think we would be suitable for the group stages, not necessarily for England games. But yeah, the FA probably wanted to showcase our newer grounds to give a better impression of our football infrastructure.Rothko said:
The Amex is a better stadium and Brentford is shiny new stadium with really good facilities, the FA were looking for Amex sized stadiums for the England group, and the Valley is the wrong size for the rest of the tournamentCAFCTrev said:
With regard to internationals I think there's a lot of schmoozing that needs to happen to persuade the FA bigwigs (or UEFA/FIFA ones etc...) to host a match on your ground, I don't think these decisions are made based on the quality of your facilities alone. I can imagine Brentford and Brighton are being used because some people on their respective boards have close ties with the FA. I don't think our current setup in charge are aware (or even bothered) enough or connected enough to go through all that.InspectorSands said:I'll be good to see The Valley used for a few different things again - it's a real shame we never put ourselves forward for Euro 2022. Anyway.
Its a shame because the Valley would be perfect for something like a mens u21 England match, or a women's international. I think the last time we hosted the England u21s was in 1997?0 -
Wouldn’t waste there time with it as wont be successful. Got to remember that Wembley is in London and there is a strong belief that The FA only represents London and not England. There is a reason when England go on the road they never play at a London stadium. They’ve got to take England to all those grotty towns and cities to keep northerns happy.CAFCTrev said:
With regard to internationals I think there's a lot of schmoozing that needs to happen to persuade the FA bigwigs (or UEFA/FIFA ones etc...) to host a match on your ground, I don't think these decisions are made based on the quality of your facilities alone. I can imagine Brentford and Brighton are being used because some people on their respective boards have close ties with the FA. I don't think our current setup in charge are aware (or even bothered) enough or connected enough to go through all that.InspectorSands said:I'll be good to see The Valley used for a few different things again - it's a real shame we never put ourselves forward for Euro 2022. Anyway.
Its a shame because the Valley would be perfect for something like a mens u21 England match, or a women's international. I think the last time we hosted the England u21s was in 1997?0 -
Bramall Lane had a load of cash spent on it to get to Premier League standard, and it's in the sweet spot for England games at early 30s.CAFCTrev said:
I don't think they were apposed to using older grounds (they're using Bramall Lane), Id like to think we would be suitable for the group stages, not necessarily for England games. But yeah, the FA probably wanted to showcase our newer grounds to give a better impression of our football infrastructure.Rothko said:
The Amex is a better stadium and Brentford is shiny new stadium with really good facilities, the FA were looking for Amex sized stadiums for the England group, and the Valley is the wrong size for the rest of the tournamentCAFCTrev said:
With regard to internationals I think there's a lot of schmoozing that needs to happen to persuade the FA bigwigs (or UEFA/FIFA ones etc...) to host a match on your ground, I don't think these decisions are made based on the quality of your facilities alone. I can imagine Brentford and Brighton are being used because some people on their respective boards have close ties with the FA. I don't think our current setup in charge are aware (or even bothered) enough or connected enough to go through all that.InspectorSands said:I'll be good to see The Valley used for a few different things again - it's a real shame we never put ourselves forward for Euro 2022. Anyway.
Its a shame because the Valley would be perfect for something like a mens u21 England match, or a women's international. I think the last time we hosted the England u21s was in 1997?
I don't think people realise just how knackered the Valley is compared to other comparable grounds1 - Sponsored links:
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There will always be obstacles to overcome, that's business.
They put on gigs at the Emirates which is in a highly residential area and you can hear it blaring at night, it's bloody loud, even from two miles away. They still do it.
Making The Valley a regular-ish concert venue would be a great boost to the local economy: Pubs, F&B venues, shops, etc. would all benefit. Not to mention it being a good source of income for the club.
It's a really good idea. If it doesn't work out, nothing has been lost. If it does work out, a lot has been gained.10 -
100%. I love The Valley and I hope we never move but it’s nowhere near a top modern stadium. Take the West Stand concourse as an example, the layout restricts people using the food kiosk if full. If they were building The Valley today, then the concourse would probably need to be double the size to maximise revenue from food and drinks.Rothko said:
Bramall Lane had a load of cash spent on it to get to Premier League standard, and it's in the sweet spot for England games at early 30s.CAFCTrev said:
I don't think they were apposed to using older grounds (they're using Bramall Lane), Id like to think we would be suitable for the group stages, not necessarily for England games. But yeah, the FA probably wanted to showcase our newer grounds to give a better impression of our football infrastructure.Rothko said:
The Amex is a better stadium and Brentford is shiny new stadium with really good facilities, the FA were looking for Amex sized stadiums for the England group, and the Valley is the wrong size for the rest of the tournamentCAFCTrev said:
With regard to internationals I think there's a lot of schmoozing that needs to happen to persuade the FA bigwigs (or UEFA/FIFA ones etc...) to host a match on your ground, I don't think these decisions are made based on the quality of your facilities alone. I can imagine Brentford and Brighton are being used because some people on their respective boards have close ties with the FA. I don't think our current setup in charge are aware (or even bothered) enough or connected enough to go through all that.InspectorSands said:I'll be good to see The Valley used for a few different things again - it's a real shame we never put ourselves forward for Euro 2022. Anyway.
Its a shame because the Valley would be perfect for something like a mens u21 England match, or a women's international. I think the last time we hosted the England u21s was in 1997?
I don't think people realise just how knackered the Valley is compared to other comparable grounds1 -
Chunes said:There will always be obstacles to overcome, that's business.
They put on gigs at the Emirates which is in a highly residential area and you can hear it blaring at night, it's bloody loud, even from two miles away.
Making The Valley a regular-ish concert venue would be a great boost to the local economy: Pubs, F&B venues, shops, etc. Not to mention a good source of income for the club.
It's a really good idea. If it doesn't work out, nothing has been lost. If it does work out, a lot has been gained.
It's certainly more of an appealing way to make money instead of just using the valley as an external call centre1 -
Yeah we rarely get u21 games in London these days. I went to one at Wembley in 2008, and another in Watford around 2011, not sure there's been another one down here since.SouthWest_Addicks said:
Wouldn’t waste there time with it as wont be successful. Got to remember that Wembley is in London and there is a strong belief that The FA only represents London and not England. There is a reason when England go on the road they never play at a London stadium. They’ve got to take England to all those grotty towns and cities to keep northerns happy.CAFCTrev said:
With regard to internationals I think there's a lot of schmoozing that needs to happen to persuade the FA bigwigs (or UEFA/FIFA ones etc...) to host a match on your ground, I don't think these decisions are made based on the quality of your facilities alone. I can imagine Brentford and Brighton are being used because some people on their respective boards have close ties with the FA. I don't think our current setup in charge are aware (or even bothered) enough or connected enough to go through all that.InspectorSands said:I'll be good to see The Valley used for a few different things again - it's a real shame we never put ourselves forward for Euro 2022. Anyway.
Its a shame because the Valley would be perfect for something like a mens u21 England match, or a women's international. I think the last time we hosted the England u21s was in 1997?0 -
Perhaps he meant his band when he was talking about a concert.1
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Bring back the midget cars!!!!😂1
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Should go on the 'Things that make you feel old" thread. I woz there that day in 2006 and it made me feel old then 😦RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SuedeAdidas said:Didn’t we have Elton John (or similar) at the Valley within ‘recent’ history?
2006. The gig that made him and put him on the world stage he recalls.
Anyone there for the Who in 1976, and, if so, how's your hearing these days? 😎
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I was there and I can say pretty certainly no money was made that day from memory I think most bunked in 😂😂swordfish said:
Should go on the 'Things that make you feel old" thread. I woz there that day in 2006 and it made me feel old then 😦RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SuedeAdidas said:Didn’t we have Elton John (or similar) at the Valley within ‘recent’ history?
2006. The gig that made him and put him on the world stage he recalls.
Anyone there for the Who in 1976, and, if so, how's your hearing these days? 😎1 -
Are you ever happy about anything? 99% of your posts are about criticizing the business decisions of the club. You hardly ever have anything to say about the actual football or share in the joy of an incoming player.Airman Brown said:Hope he’s told the council. Is there anyone left down there who even understands they need to be licensed?
Take a deep breath and enjoy football and life, you might like it!27 -
So the Valley has played host to 3 concerts in the last 48 years, two with Gliksten as owner, the other Murray. If it were to happen, wouldn't it be Roland's gig seeing as he owns the Valley, or is TS planning on acquiring it before then I wonder? 😉
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