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Sandgaard, sign a striker.
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Stockley either needs a partner or the wide men who form part of the front free to play like a partner when the ball is coming in from the opposite side. If the ball is crossed and he has three defenders on him, what is he expected to do? The main reason for me that he doesn't work in the system is the wide men are not functioning as they should if we are relying on them to contribute goals and support Stockley.
Of course if they do play like a partner, the midfield have to make runs in the box. Yesterday, possibly due to the heat, our wide men were taking up positions Fraser at least should and Stockley was the only one competing for crosses. They have to be looking to come in at the far post and at least it would take a defender away from Stockley. Then half clearances and knockdowns can potentially fall to midfielders further back in the box.2 -
This x 100%msomerton said:To late now to get in one or better two proven league one or even league 2 strikers. Sandagaard cocked up by not shelling out early in the transfer window for strikers. if he did so now he will just be paying for other clubs useless cast offs. So now he has to hope some 18 year old from an premiership academy is the new Wayne Roony. Next to no chance.0 -
The revisionism on Stockley in the space of 3 games is exceptional even by CL standards. Is Stockley any good for this system, dunno, but he should have scored at Accrington and against Derby, and helps create space for the smaller two in the three up top.superclive98 said:Everyone keeps saying that Stockley doesn't suit our system. He doesn't suit any system because he isn't very good. He seems to be missing chances more than ever. Must have spent too much time watching Washington in front of goal.I also forgot some people’s ability to go nuclear after one defeat6 -
Unless there's evidence to substantiate that theory, I'd say it's a red herring.Dazzler21 said:
Now now. I think Stockley's significant hip injury may have something to do with his form since returning from it.superclive98 said:Everyone keeps saying that Stockley doesn't suit our system. He doesn't suit any system because he isn't very good. He seems to be missing chances more than ever. Must have spent too much time watching Washington in front of goal.
However, should that be a reason for his "lack of form", then it's even more imperative that TS stumps up whatever's required to bag a decent( for L1) striker before the window closes.
Tick tock....
BTW. I noticed that Lyle T was on the bench for Forest today & remained an unused sub.1 -
Agree which is why we've brought in JRS, a goalscoring wide forward.MuttleyCAFC said:Stockley either needs a partner or the wide men who form part of the front free to play like a partner when the ball is coming in from the opposite side. If the ball is crossed and he has three defenders on him, what is he expected to do? The main reason for me that he doesn't work in the system is the wide men are not functioning as they should if we are relying on them to contribute goals and support Stockley.
Of course if they do play like a partner, the midfield have to make runs in the box. Yesterday, possibly due to the heat, our wide men were taking up positions Fraser at least should and Stockley was the only one competing for crosses. They have to be looking to come in at the far post and at least it would take a defender away from Stockley. Then half clearances and knockdowns can potentially fall to midfielders further back in the box.
Not getting enough men in the box was mentioned after the game on Charlton TV. The good thing about that being an issue is it shouldn't be difficult to fix. A lot of it is simply down to the midfielders and wide players continually making runs into the box when we attack. Do that and chances like the goals Fraser and CBT scored will fall to them. I'd argue the ability and energy to keep making those runs is more important than being a clinical finisher - making those runs 5-10 times a game should result in more goals than a top finisher getting in the box once or twice and having to be clinical with every chance they get.
The heat would have also played a part. I'd like to see what Payne can do playing in the midfield 3 rather than out wide.
We definitely need another striker but if the midfield and wide players don't get in the box our problems won't be solved by having a better and quicker striker than Stockley.2 -
Stockley hasn’t scored to date and yet he is our skipper and only fit main striker in a formation/system of play that doesn’t suit him. Go figure!
Our only other striker will be injured most of the time and used as an impact sub at best.
Nevermind, it’s only the 14th August. I’m sure the Sandgaards will sort it all out over breakfast by the close of the transfer window! Whether it’ll even be the January one is open to conjecture!2 -
Very good analysis of this on the Charlton Live pod. The potential really seems there this season but a good striker to compete with good striker Stockley et al will realise it.
Would gamble on Stockton if I was TS as it may be more prudent doing so than not in terms of prospects in escaping cash (and soul) sapping League One.
Will feel like a wasted opportunity to not capitalise on what has been really positive early signs of our prospects so far.5 -
addick1956 said:
It is like that on here. Some can write stuff on here. Others write the same and whoosh. Spite and cat calling everywhere.golfaddick said:
Funny, when I said the exact same thing on the match thread yesterday I got pelters & abused.killerandflash said:Looking around the division, I see Marquis scored the winner for Brizzle Rovers, Bishop scored 2 for Pompey (1 from the spot) and Conor Wickham scored for FGR...
We've had 3 months to sign a striker & now you want it done in 2 weeks.
Ain't happening folks. We signed JRS & he will be used as one of the wide strikers in a front 3. If we do happen to being in a "striker" it will be another unproven loanee. We wont be paying money for a 25 year old with a goal scoring record in the EFL.
At least you managed to write a post without using the word "A&eke"
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so he should have scored but didn't? Hard to tell what side of the fence you're on if that's your argument!Rothko said:
The revisionism on Stockley in the space of 3 games is exceptional even by CL standards. Is Stockley any good for this system, dunno, but he should have scored at Accrington and against Derby, and helps create space for the smaller two in the three up top.superclive98 said:Everyone keeps saying that Stockley doesn't suit our system. He doesn't suit any system because he isn't very good. He seems to be missing chances more than ever. Must have spent too much time watching Washington in front of goal.I also forgot some people’s ability to go nuclear after one defeat1 -
Balanced, which is he did some good things for the team, but missed two good chances, can't be bothered with the extremes, loads better at it on here.Croydon said:
so he should have scored but didn't? Hard to tell what side of the fence you're on if that's your argument!Rothko said:
The revisionism on Stockley in the space of 3 games is exceptional even by CL standards. Is Stockley any good for this system, dunno, but he should have scored at Accrington and against Derby, and helps create space for the smaller two in the three up top.superclive98 said:Everyone keeps saying that Stockley doesn't suit our system. He doesn't suit any system because he isn't very good. He seems to be missing chances more than ever. Must have spent too much time watching Washington in front of goal.I also forgot some people’s ability to go nuclear after one defeat3 - Sponsored links:
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In football we all know players don't score with every chance. We have enough information on Stockley to know that he will get his fair share if he gets enough chances so we are not worried if he misses. Whereas an unproven scorer missing is more cause for concern.0
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I think there is a lot of transfer business yet to be done throughout the divisions, so am not giving up on any hope for another forward, nor left sided defender yet and trust in Gallen and Garner based on recent acquisitions. Have faith…2
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No, a miss is a miss and when the frequency of those misses increases then that is a concern.MuttleyCAFC said:In football we all know players don't score with every chance. We have enough information on Stockley to know that he will get his fair share if he gets enough chances so we are not worried if he misses. Whereas an unproven scorer missing is more cause for concern.0 -
I am happy with Stockley's score miss ratio. For a League One striker. I am not happy with say CBTs.2
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Happy with 0 goals in 3 games?MuttleyCAFC said:I am happy with Stockley's score miss ratio. For a League One striker. I am not happy with say CBTs.2 -
I look at an overall record, not three games. He will score his fair share, we have evidence of that.7
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Give Kanu another chance? Off the bench at least?2
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You can't really compare the two because only one of them is supposed to be a striker.MuttleyCAFC said:I am happy with Stockley's score miss ratio. For a League One striker. I am not happy with say CBTs.
If we created endless chances every game then Stockley's misses wouldn't matter as much, but we don't.0 -
We don’t yet but look how quickly we’ve had long spells in games dominating possession, that’s a big turn around from the type of football we played last season. There’s still more to come from this team in the final third.superclive98 said:
You can't really compare the two because only one of them is supposed to be a striker.MuttleyCAFC said:I am happy with Stockley's score miss ratio. For a League One striker. I am not happy with say CBTs.
If we created endless chances every game then Stockley's misses wouldn't matter as much, but we don't.
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We need to see how we do against the weaker teams but we also know that opposing managers will adapt. As we’ve seen previously, people work out how to play against you and then others copy the successful ones. A lot then depends on Garner.Scoham said:
We don’t yet but look how quickly we’ve had long spells in games dominating possession, that’s a big turn around from the type of football we played last season. There’s still more to come from this team in the final third.superclive98 said:
You can't really compare the two because only one of them is supposed to be a striker.MuttleyCAFC said:I am happy with Stockley's score miss ratio. For a League One striker. I am not happy with say CBTs.
If we created endless chances every game then Stockley's misses wouldn't matter as much, but we don't.7 - Sponsored links:
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My point is that he is the best striker we have and you have the right point about CBT. You have to look at the goals we will get from the front 3 as a whole in our system.superclive98 said:
You can't really compare the two because only one of them is supposed to be a striker.MuttleyCAFC said:I am happy with Stockley's score miss ratio. For a League One striker. I am not happy with say CBTs.
If we created endless chances every game then Stockley's misses wouldn't matter as much, but we don't.0 -
So much of the system relies on the 'wide' players and midfielders to score, which is why the central striker bit of this feels like the least important part, other then we don't have cover, and why I'd rather get a McKirdy type wide player who scores into the team. But different opinions on a similar problem0
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If you can dominate possession away to Sheffield Wednesday then in theory you should be doing the same to lesser teams as well though. Especially as the players become more used to each other and the way Garner wants to play.Airman Brown said:
We need to see how we do against the weaker teams but we also know that opposing managers will adapt. As we’ve seen previously, people work out how to play against you and then others copy the successful ones. A lot then depends on Garner.Scoham said:
We don’t yet but look how quickly we’ve had long spells in games dominating possession, that’s a big turn around from the type of football we played last season. There’s still more to come from this team in the final third.superclive98 said:
You can't really compare the two because only one of them is supposed to be a striker.MuttleyCAFC said:I am happy with Stockley's score miss ratio. For a League One striker. I am not happy with say CBTs.
If we created endless chances every game then Stockley's misses wouldn't matter as much, but we don't.
Admittedly all irrelevant though if we don't score.1 -
Very good point Airman. In recent years we have never really been able to dominate games against the ‘weaker’ sides. Indeed often it would feel like we would pull of a really good win away from home against strong opposition, just to then be completely lacklustre, to the point of being outplayed, at home next game against a side you would have us down to beat.Airman Brown said:
We need to see how we do against the weaker teams but we also know that opposing managers will adapt. As we’ve seen previously, people work out how to play against you and then others copy the successful ones. A lot then depends on Garner.Scoham said:
We don’t yet but look how quickly we’ve had long spells in games dominating possession, that’s a big turn around from the type of football we played last season. There’s still more to come from this team in the final third.superclive98 said:
You can't really compare the two because only one of them is supposed to be a striker.MuttleyCAFC said:I am happy with Stockley's score miss ratio. For a League One striker. I am not happy with say CBTs.
If we created endless chances every game then Stockley's misses wouldn't matter as much, but we don't.
I wonder if some of that is what Garner alluded to in his post match interview after the Derby game.In terms of Garner’s ability to adapt, it’s very early days yet, and of course it will also depend on the players, but he feels to me like someone who does have that ability. If you listen and read stuff about him he comes across as a very knowledgeable and forward thinking coach who is willing to go out and learn, and showed last season with Ipswich he will change things up.0 -
It’s also Garner’s job to coach and improve players. He should be (and I believe he is) looking at how he can get more from players like CBT who have clear potential to play at a higher level. Many on here have called for us to sign May, Stockton or McKirdy, go back two years and none of them were consistently scoring. Same with Aribo when he first broke through.MuttleyCAFC said:
My point is that he is the best striker we have and you have the right point about CBT. You have to look at the goals we will get from the front 3 as a whole in our system.superclive98 said:
You can't really compare the two because only one of them is supposed to be a striker.MuttleyCAFC said:I am happy with Stockley's score miss ratio. For a League One striker. I am not happy with say CBTs.
If we created endless chances every game then Stockley's misses wouldn't matter as much, but we don't.1 -
Yes that’s fair, it works both ways but I agree with FCF that Garner is someone who can potentially deal with that. I didn’t notice the subtle change in midfield (Morgan moving deeper alongside Dobson) in the second half of the Derby game but it helped turn the match in our favour.Airman Brown said:
We need to see how we do against the weaker teams but we also know that opposing managers will adapt. As we’ve seen previously, people work out how to play against you and then others copy the successful ones. A lot then depends on Garner.Scoham said:
We don’t yet but look how quickly we’ve had long spells in games dominating possession, that’s a big turn around from the type of football we played last season. There’s still more to come from this team in the final third.superclive98 said:
You can't really compare the two because only one of them is supposed to be a striker.MuttleyCAFC said:I am happy with Stockley's score miss ratio. For a League One striker. I am not happy with say CBTs.
If we created endless chances every game then Stockley's misses wouldn't matter as much, but we don't.
I never saw that with Jackson, as well as the obvious sticking to one formation he never appeared to make tactical tweaks that changed a game. I say that as someone who would have kept him on as I don’t like constantly changing manager and felt that no system would have made that squad a promotion winning one.
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I’d much rather gamble on Tyrece Simpson who is only 20 and Garner will already know he fits the system. And I think if Garner is trying to convince TS to sign a striker he is much more likely to do so if he can see a potential return on the investment rather than spending a fee on a player in their late twentiesRodneyCharltonTrotta said:Very good analysis of this on the Charlton Live pod. The potential really seems there this season but a good striker to compete with good striker Stockley et al will realise it.
Would gamble on Stockton if I was TS as it may be more prudent doing so than not in terms of prospects in escaping cash (and soul) sapping League One.
Will feel like a wasted opportunity to not capitalise on what has been really positive early signs of our prospects so far.2 -
Spot on.Rothko said:
The revisionism on Stockley in the space of 3 games is exceptional even by CL standards. Is Stockley any good for this system, dunno, but he should have scored at Accrington and against Derby, and helps create space for the smaller two in the three up top.superclive98 said:Everyone keeps saying that Stockley doesn't suit our system. He doesn't suit any system because he isn't very good. He seems to be missing chances more than ever. Must have spent too much time watching Washington in front of goal.I also forgot some people’s ability to go nuclear after one defeat0 -
He scored 20 goals in 38 appearances last season.superclive98 said:Everyone keeps saying that Stockley doesn't suit our system. He doesn't suit any system because he isn't very good. He seems to be missing chances more than ever. Must have spent too much time watching Washington in front of goal.4 -
13 league goals.Wheresmeticket? said:
He scored 20 goals in 38 appearances last season.superclive98 said:Everyone keeps saying that Stockley doesn't suit our system. He doesn't suit any system because he isn't very good. He seems to be missing chances more than ever. Must have spent too much time watching Washington in front of goal.1
