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Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic v Forest Green Rovers | Tuesday 13 September 2022 7:45PM
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Ben Garner:
“I need to understand why we drop away from what we’ve been doing. Whether we get too comfortable or start doing things differently from what we’d set up to do, I don’t know. I need to find a way of improving that. Again, it is my responsibility to do because we started well, we get the goal and are ahead – a second goal would have put us really in control. Even then they didn’t look like scoring, although we hadn’t got that second goal, at no point did I feel they were going to score.
“We allowed them to get a bit of hope and we gifted them a goal. That makes the second half a different game.”
I can tell you why Ben but I can't give an answer how to solve it. When we score a goal, deep down we know we find it hard to score goals so psychologically we tend to sit back a bit trying to protect the lead rather than trying to add to it and leaving ourselves open. However defensively we have mistakes in us. Opponents have to be more adventurous when they go behind and put the two together and there you have it.
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Uses to do a radio phone in on a Sunday night..Covered End said:
Who is Mansfield?cabbles said:One of the problems for BG is that in making Stockley captain in this preferred set up and dropping him at just the 8th game into the season, is kind of saying, it’s not working.
I admired his confidence in making the changes last night, but it’s becoming pretty clear is first XI aren’t good enough, which means the fringe players like Mansfield aren’t going to add much more0 -
That is brilliant but only Ipswich, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Wednesday, Bolton, Cambridge, Peterborough, Slop, Exeter, Wycombe, Barnsley, Fleetwood and Derby have got more points than us.Callumcafc said:
They do track stats like touches in opposition half / opposition penalty area but I don't think that it's publicly available information. I would imagine we rank quite highly on those metrics too.killerandflash said:Possession stats are meaningless, when teams can endlessly pass the ball around the defence and get "credit" for it.
I wish they would publish a "possession in the opposition half" stat as that would much more useful to indicate which team was on top.
The best I'm aware of are these "zone of control" maps from https://theanalyst.com/na/2022/08/league-one-stats-2022-23/
(Blue = over 55% possession, red = under 45% possession)
Counting up the squares in the attacking halves for all these teams:
Accrington: 1 blue
Barnsley: 2
Bolton: 3
Bristol R: 1
Burton: 0
Cambridge: 1
Charlton: 5
Cheltenham: 1
Derby: 6
Exeter: 5
Fleetwood: 7
Forest Green: 1
Ipswich: 8
Lincoln: 1
MK: 1
Morecambe: 0
Oxford: 3
Peterborough: 2
Plymouth: 0
Port Vale: 3
Portsmouth: 1
Sheff Wed: 1
Shrewsbury: 0
Wycombe: 2
It's not as definitive as I would like but only Derby, Fleetwood and Ipswich are controlling possession more in the oppositions half than we are, according to the count of these squares. To say we are only boosting our numbers by playing with the ball in our own half is wrong.
What your really saying is Fleetwood are are really good team and it woyld take a great performance to get a point there on Saturday...0 -
Nowhere near fit😂Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:By the way, where was the supposedly now fit Aneke?1 -
Jayisemi- I’m just going to refer to him as Mansfield now, after his collapsed move on deadline dayCovered End said:
Who is Mansfield?cabbles said:One of the problems for BG is that in making Stockley captain in this preferred set up and dropping him at just the 8th game into the season, is kind of saying, it’s not working.
I admired his confidence in making the changes last night, but it’s becoming pretty clear is first XI aren’t good enough, which means the fringe players like Mansfield aren’t going to add much more4 -
The best laid out long post ever, so much easier to read.Stig said:Some thoughts
Before- The stupid pricing policy meant my eldest didn't go with us. He can't commit to a ST this year and was going to attend on a pay as you go basis. That all fell apart when he found the price for a Tuesday night match ticket against FGR was north of £30. Absolutely ridiculous.
- From ridiculous to surreal. In fact the most surreal thing I've witnessed at football since that bloke half-volleyed a dildo into the net at Lincoln. I presented my ticket at the automated turnstile and a human hand shot out, grabbed my ticket and positioned it under the laser-reader thing for me. What? If that's how they are going to operate, why not just have proper old fashioned turnstile operators? If the club are going to continue this, can I ask that for the Ipswich game which is just two days before halloween the mysterious ticket machine helpers are issued with these.
- They seem to have taken Heineken off the menu in the Covered End (I'm not surprised at the price they wanted for it). They still sell Fozzies though, but that's now sold under the generic name 'Lager', presumably because it's more appealing. John Smiths is still sold as John Smiths though; I guess it would stretch the imagination too much to call it 'Beer'.
- Well done to whoever put those big red signs on the tills in the North Upper proclaiming "Welcome To Charlton F C West". It's hard to imagine how one simple line of text could be so wrong in so many ways.
- The minute's silence was followed impeccably and everyone who wanted to was able to sing along with the national anthem completely unhindered. That was Charlton fans truly showing their class. What a shame that the taking of the knee was booed by a minority of politically motivated idiots showing their lack of class.
- There seemed like a lot of changes to the lineup. Perhaps a sign of desperation? It's a bold move putting your captain on the bench. Perhaps a masterstroke - time would tell.
During- Nice lively start. CBT had more shots in the opening ten minutes than Stockley's had all season. Perhaps is was a masterstroke.
- Sadly not. Aside from the goal nothing was on target. At least he was trying though.
- As frustrating as the game was, there were times when we played some nice passing football. Same story every week though, we're too wasteful up front and too ill-disciplined at the back.
- We gifted FGR three really good chances. A decent team would have killed us off early in the second half.
- I was most impressed with O'Connell, Payne and Dobson. I feel most sorry for the youngsters, though they all acquitted themselves well. Already this season we're asking too much of them. I was disappointed with Wollacott, Clare and Inniss, they could have done better.
- I don't know if McGrandles is shit or not because he didn't really do anything that I noticed. Suspect that's not a good sign though.
- The ref was crap, but even with the sending off I don't think he altered the course of the game. We only have ourselves to blame.
- To be fair to Mr Busby, I don't think he got every decision wrong. A couple of times he was roundly booed despite having called things right. The trouble for him was that he'd already played too many one-note tunes on his shiny new whistle and he'd already made too many mistakes for his decisions to be taken seriously.
- If ticket prices are over £30, then I feel like McKee & Marques must owe everyone in the crowd a good tenner each for their bloody time wasting.
- "Your support is fucking shit" is a particularly poor choice of chant for a team who play in a stadium three sizes too big for them
After- It's going to be a really long season.
- I'm not sure where we go from here. Neither the first-team proper, nor the precocious U23s we seem to be dependent on, have the necessary fire power for this division. It's still September and already we need reinforcements. I can't see us picking up suitable talent in the out-of-contract market, so it looks like we're stuck.
- I don't know what Mr Sandgaard thinks he's doing, but whatever it is, it's not working.
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But apart from that stats are really good…Cafc43v3r said:
That is brilliant but only Ipswich, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Wednesday, Bolton, Cambridge, Peterborough, Slop, Exeter, Wycombe, Barnsley, Fleetwood and Derby have got more points than us.Callumcafc said:
They do track stats like touches in opposition half / opposition penalty area but I don't think that it's publicly available information. I would imagine we rank quite highly on those metrics too.killerandflash said:Possession stats are meaningless, when teams can endlessly pass the ball around the defence and get "credit" for it.
I wish they would publish a "possession in the opposition half" stat as that would much more useful to indicate which team was on top.
The best I'm aware of are these "zone of control" maps from https://theanalyst.com/na/2022/08/league-one-stats-2022-23/
(Blue = over 55% possession, red = under 45% possession)
Counting up the squares in the attacking halves for all these teams:
Accrington: 1 blue
Barnsley: 2
Bolton: 3
Bristol R: 1
Burton: 0
Cambridge: 1
Charlton: 5
Cheltenham: 1
Derby: 6
Exeter: 5
Fleetwood: 7
Forest Green: 1
Ipswich: 8
Lincoln: 1
MK: 1
Morecambe: 0
Oxford: 3
Peterborough: 2
Plymouth: 0
Port Vale: 3
Portsmouth: 1
Sheff Wed: 1
Shrewsbury: 0
Wycombe: 2
It's not as definitive as I would like but only Derby, Fleetwood and Ipswich are controlling possession more in the oppositions half than we are, according to the count of these squares. To say we are only boosting our numbers by playing with the ball in our own half is wrong.
What your really saying is Fleetwood are are really good team and it woyld take a great performance to get a point there on Saturday...1 -
CBT reminds me of Jairzinho (without the goals and heading ability).billysboots said:With with all due respect , with his electric pace
if CBT was making mazy runs and smashing three in from the edge of the box - which is where the chances were that he blazed wide last night , he wouldn’t be in Div 1.
Just imagine Garnerball at its best and CBT smashing home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiRnhixGyVY
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Having re-watched it I agree that it’s weird how little involvement he had in the game. During the match I kept trying to see what he was up to, and it was like he was wearing camouflage. Most odd.Dazzler21 said:
Honestly re-watch the game if you need to, his passing was short or sideways, he was out muscled and out paced consistently and didn't win a single tackle, fouled three times and got booked. He had 25 touches in 59 minutes. That's only 16 more than DJ who played...10 minutes!JamesSeed said:
I may have to watch a total match replay on Charlton TV, as I didn't notice him that much. I've certainly seen worse team performances than that (people of Twitter claiming it was the worst they'd ever seen).Dazzler21 said:
It was a really dire performance. Not writing him off, but that was as bad as I've seen.greenwichred68 said:Conor McGrandles this season whipping boy?? FFS give him a chance.
It might have been one of the most frustrating nights I've experienced, however.But he did come with a good reputation, so I’m not writing him off yet. Anyone who’s played football knows how it can take time to get back into your stride after time out.0 -
@Stig
The Heineken thing in the CE was a temp thing i believe as there were issues with the lines.
I was working there Tue night for the catering company (don't usually but we were drafted in from St Marys as they were struggling for staff).
Believe the lager is due to be changed soonish to 2 other lagers. An Italian one and a Dutch one...1 -
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Brother in law is Argyle and he usually watches the streams with me when Plymouth are away, it’s starting to get embarrassing…
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With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break0
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I would laugh as a look at his goal scoring record from midfield, not defence will tell you that wouldn't be a great idea. Players goalscoring records are there for all to see and it is quite rare for them to pick up significantly. Stranger things have happened but the players who might drastically improve are the ones who get lots of chances and miss a lot of them like CBT and it is why I was reluctant to give up on Gilbey. But I have absoluetely given up on Morgan. Clare is decent as a defender but useless to us as a midfielder who hardly ever scores and we don't even need to think about him being a striker.0
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Posting without reading the majority of comments. For 30mins we were good, then kind of ran out of steam. The keeper made an absolute howler to let them back into the game, but i still thought we'd compose ourselves, regroup and win the 2nd half. In fact we got worse, couldnt pass the ball 5yrds to each other and were all over the shop! Said afterwards that we need to grow some bollocks and learn to deal with setbacks like an individual error. We just fell apart which is a mental thing. Thought Payne looked good but that's the only real positive COYA0
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Disgusting comment. You should feel very ashamed.paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break8 -
You’re expecting the same level of respect as The Queen?paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break2 -
worth a pop, he sure ain't a proper right back .. and when/if Egbo is fit, where does Clare, one of our few consistently good performers even out of position, fit into the team ?paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break0 -
At right back....Lincsaddick said:
worth a pop, he sure ain't a proper right back .. and when/if Egbo is fit, where does Clare, one of our few consistently good performers even out of position, fit into the team ?paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break1 -
''Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag being dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break''
Yeah lets hope you break your neck!0 -
Admin. This is clearly unacceptable. Can this idiot be removed please?paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break10 -
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Sack him? Behave. If anyone should be binned off it’s TS himself. He’s left Garner with a squad deficient in certain areas, up front being the glaringly obvious one. Ben Garner deserves better. Three further additions and I honestly think we’d make top six but TS has blown it, that ship has sailed, and as a result TS will lose more money, make more cuts, spend less next window, lose more money, make more cuts, spend less next window, lose more money, make more cuts ......NabySarr said:2 away games in a row now. Our away form has been dreadful the last 2 years. Not picking up a win from these 2 could see us slide down the table towards the bottom 4 and Garner come under real pressure. He’s had his hands tied behind his back but I don’t think TS will accept being near the bottom 4. Can he afford to sack him though?
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paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break
I think it might have been me that wished you a happy 600th birthday, but you realise I only said that tongue in cheek in response to you saying you'd supported Charlton for 60 decades?
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And that’s the problem. You have to accept he’s going to be inconsistent and make mistakes. He shouldn’t be one of our only two options up front. If you want/need to drop Stockley then Leaburn is the alternative. He should be dipping in and out of the team, twenty minutes here and there, not being asked to start and in a role that seems alien to him. Blame TS for that.Chunes said:
Miles' touch last night was disappointing. It was going 4-5 yards away from him.Dazzler21 said:
Better control than Leaburn? There's a lot he's good at, but also some stuff where he needs to improve. That will come with training and playing. I'd rather he learns it here.cs1986 said:
How do other youngsters do it then? Dane Scarlett for example.aliwibble said:
I don't question him being a first team member, but he's not ready to lead the line, especially as a lone striker. Being successful up against a couple of horrible League One defenders requires experience that he just doesn't have yet.RaplhMilne said:Not criticising Miles Leaburn, but when his weakness is obvious against Forest Green, then you have to question his being a first team member.6 -
I'd be delighted to give you a break. Name a time and place.paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break0 -
Why isn’t Clare a proper right back? As you say he’s a consistently good performer.Lincsaddick said:
worth a pop, he sure ain't a proper right back .. and when/if Egbo is fit, where does Clare, one of our few consistently good performers even out of position, fit into the team ?paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break0 -
yeah, little bit of an oxymoron .. he always looks good on the ball, passes OK, good work rate, BUT he just doesn't look that competent or comfortable as a right back, poor positioning, mistimed tacking (lots of bookings) , to me he just doesn't look right thereScoham said:
Why isn’t Clare a proper right back? As you say he’s a consistently good performer.Lincsaddick said:
worth a pop, he sure ain't a proper right back .. and when/if Egbo is fit, where does Clare, one of our few consistently good performers even out of position, fit into the team ?paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break1
