Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic v Forest Green Rovers | Tuesday 13 September 2022 7:45PM
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Ben Garner:
“I need to understand why we drop away from what we’ve been doing. Whether we get too comfortable or start doing things differently from what we’d set up to do, I don’t know. I need to find a way of improving that. Again, it is my responsibility to do because we started well, we get the goal and are ahead – a second goal would have put us really in control. Even then they didn’t look like scoring, although we hadn’t got that second goal, at no point did I feel they were going to score.
“We allowed them to get a bit of hope and we gifted them a goal. That makes the second half a different game.”
I can tell you why Ben but I can't give an answer how to solve it. When we score a goal, deep down we know we find it hard to score goals so psychologically we tend to sit back a bit trying to protect the lead rather than trying to add to it and leaving ourselves open. However defensively we have mistakes in us. Opponents have to be more adventurous when they go behind and put the two together and there you have it.
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Covered End said:cabbles said:One of the problems for BG is that in making Stockley captain in this preferred set up and dropping him at just the 8th game into the season, is kind of saying, it’s not working.
I admired his confidence in making the changes last night, but it’s becoming pretty clear is first XI aren’t good enough, which means the fringe players like Mansfield aren’t going to add much more0 -
Callumcafc said:killerandflash said:Possession stats are meaningless, when teams can endlessly pass the ball around the defence and get "credit" for it.
I wish they would publish a "possession in the opposition half" stat as that would much more useful to indicate which team was on top.
The best I'm aware of are these "zone of control" maps from https://theanalyst.com/na/2022/08/league-one-stats-2022-23/
(Blue = over 55% possession, red = under 45% possession)
Counting up the squares in the attacking halves for all these teams:
Accrington: 1 blue
Barnsley: 2
Bolton: 3
Bristol R: 1
Burton: 0
Cambridge: 1
Charlton: 5
Cheltenham: 1
Derby: 6
Exeter: 5
Fleetwood: 7
Forest Green: 1
Ipswich: 8
Lincoln: 1
MK: 1
Morecambe: 0
Oxford: 3
Peterborough: 2
Plymouth: 0
Port Vale: 3
Portsmouth: 1
Sheff Wed: 1
Shrewsbury: 0
Wycombe: 2
It's not as definitive as I would like but only Derby, Fleetwood and Ipswich are controlling possession more in the oppositions half than we are, according to the count of these squares. To say we are only boosting our numbers by playing with the ball in our own half is wrong.
What your really saying is Fleetwood are are really good team and it woyld take a great performance to get a point there on Saturday...0 -
Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:By the way, where was the supposedly now fit Aneke?1
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Covered End said:cabbles said:One of the problems for BG is that in making Stockley captain in this preferred set up and dropping him at just the 8th game into the season, is kind of saying, it’s not working.
I admired his confidence in making the changes last night, but it’s becoming pretty clear is first XI aren’t good enough, which means the fringe players like Mansfield aren’t going to add much more4 -
Stig said:Some thoughts
Before- The stupid pricing policy meant my eldest didn't go with us. He can't commit to a ST this year and was going to attend on a pay as you go basis. That all fell apart when he found the price for a Tuesday night match ticket against FGR was north of £30. Absolutely ridiculous.
- From ridiculous to surreal. In fact the most surreal thing I've witnessed at football since that bloke half-volleyed a dildo into the net at Lincoln. I presented my ticket at the automated turnstile and a human hand shot out, grabbed my ticket and positioned it under the laser-reader thing for me. What? If that's how they are going to operate, why not just have proper old fashioned turnstile operators? If the club are going to continue this, can I ask that for the Ipswich game which is just two days before halloween the mysterious ticket machine helpers are issued with these.
- They seem to have taken Heineken off the menu in the Covered End (I'm not surprised at the price they wanted for it). They still sell Fozzies though, but that's now sold under the generic name 'Lager', presumably because it's more appealing. John Smiths is still sold as John Smiths though; I guess it would stretch the imagination too much to call it 'Beer'.
- Well done to whoever put those big red signs on the tills in the North Upper proclaiming "Welcome To Charlton F C West". It's hard to imagine how one simple line of text could be so wrong in so many ways.
- The minute's silence was followed impeccably and everyone who wanted to was able to sing along with the national anthem completely unhindered. That was Charlton fans truly showing their class. What a shame that the taking of the knee was booed by a minority of politically motivated idiots showing their lack of class.
- There seemed like a lot of changes to the lineup. Perhaps a sign of desperation? It's a bold move putting your captain on the bench. Perhaps a masterstroke - time would tell.
During- Nice lively start. CBT had more shots in the opening ten minutes than Stockley's had all season. Perhaps is was a masterstroke.
- Sadly not. Aside from the goal nothing was on target. At least he was trying though.
- As frustrating as the game was, there were times when we played some nice passing football. Same story every week though, we're too wasteful up front and too ill-disciplined at the back.
- We gifted FGR three really good chances. A decent team would have killed us off early in the second half.
- I was most impressed with O'Connell, Payne and Dobson. I feel most sorry for the youngsters, though they all acquitted themselves well. Already this season we're asking too much of them. I was disappointed with Wollacott, Clare and Inniss, they could have done better.
- I don't know if McGrandles is shit or not because he didn't really do anything that I noticed. Suspect that's not a good sign though.
- The ref was crap, but even with the sending off I don't think he altered the course of the game. We only have ourselves to blame.
- To be fair to Mr Busby, I don't think he got every decision wrong. A couple of times he was roundly booed despite having called things right. The trouble for him was that he'd already played too many one-note tunes on his shiny new whistle and he'd already made too many mistakes for his decisions to be taken seriously.
- If ticket prices are over £30, then I feel like McKee & Marques must owe everyone in the crowd a good tenner each for their bloody time wasting.
- "Your support is fucking shit" is a particularly poor choice of chant for a team who play in a stadium three sizes too big for them
After- It's going to be a really long season.
- I'm not sure where we go from here. Neither the first-team proper, nor the precocious U23s we seem to be dependent on, have the necessary fire power for this division. It's still September and already we need reinforcements. I can't see us picking up suitable talent in the out-of-contract market, so it looks like we're stuck.
- I don't know what Mr Sandgaard thinks he's doing, but whatever it is, it's not working.
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Cafc43v3r said:Callumcafc said:killerandflash said:Possession stats are meaningless, when teams can endlessly pass the ball around the defence and get "credit" for it.
I wish they would publish a "possession in the opposition half" stat as that would much more useful to indicate which team was on top.
The best I'm aware of are these "zone of control" maps from https://theanalyst.com/na/2022/08/league-one-stats-2022-23/
(Blue = over 55% possession, red = under 45% possession)
Counting up the squares in the attacking halves for all these teams:
Accrington: 1 blue
Barnsley: 2
Bolton: 3
Bristol R: 1
Burton: 0
Cambridge: 1
Charlton: 5
Cheltenham: 1
Derby: 6
Exeter: 5
Fleetwood: 7
Forest Green: 1
Ipswich: 8
Lincoln: 1
MK: 1
Morecambe: 0
Oxford: 3
Peterborough: 2
Plymouth: 0
Port Vale: 3
Portsmouth: 1
Sheff Wed: 1
Shrewsbury: 0
Wycombe: 2
It's not as definitive as I would like but only Derby, Fleetwood and Ipswich are controlling possession more in the oppositions half than we are, according to the count of these squares. To say we are only boosting our numbers by playing with the ball in our own half is wrong.
What your really saying is Fleetwood are are really good team and it woyld take a great performance to get a point there on Saturday...1 -
billysboots said:With with all due respect , with his electric pace
if CBT was making mazy runs and smashing three in from the edge of the box - which is where the chances were that he blazed wide last night , he wouldn’t be in Div 1.
Just imagine Garnerball at its best and CBT smashing home.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiRnhixGyVY
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Dazzler21 said:JamesSeed said:Dazzler21 said:greenwichred68 said:Conor McGrandles this season whipping boy?? FFS give him a chance.
It might have been one of the most frustrating nights I've experienced, however.But he did come with a good reputation, so I’m not writing him off yet. Anyone who’s played football knows how it can take time to get back into your stride after time out.0 -
@Stig
The Heineken thing in the CE was a temp thing i believe as there were issues with the lines.
I was working there Tue night for the catering company (don't usually but we were drafted in from St Marys as they were struggling for staff).
Believe the lager is due to be changed soonish to 2 other lagers. An Italian one and a Dutch one...1 - Sponsored links:
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Brother in law is Argyle and he usually watches the streams with me when Plymouth are away, it’s starting to get embarrassing…
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With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break0
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I would laugh as a look at his goal scoring record from midfield, not defence will tell you that wouldn't be a great idea. Players goalscoring records are there for all to see and it is quite rare for them to pick up significantly. Stranger things have happened but the players who might drastically improve are the ones who get lots of chances and miss a lot of them like CBT and it is why I was reluctant to give up on Gilbey. But I have absoluetely given up on Morgan. Clare is decent as a defender but useless to us as a midfielder who hardly ever scores and we don't even need to think about him being a striker.0
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Posting without reading the majority of comments. For 30mins we were good, then kind of ran out of steam. The keeper made an absolute howler to let them back into the game, but i still thought we'd compose ourselves, regroup and win the 2nd half. In fact we got worse, couldnt pass the ball 5yrds to each other and were all over the shop! Said afterwards that we need to grow some bollocks and learn to deal with setbacks like an individual error. We just fell apart which is a mental thing. Thought Payne looked good but that's the only real positive COYA0
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paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break8
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paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break2
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paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break0
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Lincsaddick said:paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break1
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''Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag being dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break''
Yeah lets hope you break your neck!0 -
paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break10
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NabySarr said:2 away games in a row now. Our away form has been dreadful the last 2 years. Not picking up a win from these 2 could see us slide down the table towards the bottom 4 and Garner come under real pressure. He’s had his hands tied behind his back but I don’t think TS will accept being near the bottom 4. Can he afford to sack him though?
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paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break
I think it might have been me that wished you a happy 600th birthday, but you realise I only said that tongue in cheek in response to you saying you'd supported Charlton for 60 decades?
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Chunes said:Dazzler21 said:cs1986 said:aliwibble said:RaplhMilne said:Not criticising Miles Leaburn, but when his weakness is obvious against Forest Green, then you have to question his being a first team member.6
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paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break0
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Lincsaddick said:paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break0
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Scoham said:Lincsaddick said:paulg1947 said:With that belter of a goal against Plymouth ,perhaps Claire should be up front One can laugh, but stranger things have happened in football. And after all Sandgaards and co's ineptness in not replacing Washington. Indeed not signing any striker One can only try out things. with what we have got. I have to smile at the boo boys of last season-Quote, We need a clear out from top to bottom,Well now you have it lads, so suck it up.Save a miracle,what team has been sucessful without a designated striker? The nucleus is there, We just need another Taylor A Taylor we havn.t. So who is the fault for that ? I may have been called 600 years old (presumably for my outlook) and got 20 odd LOLs. Such disrespect for seniors But not for an old bag beeing dragged around London on a gun carriage,Give me a break1