Incredibly frustrating game to watch, FGR were there for the taking and we never looked like doing it. Can someone please tell Steve Brown that he doesn't have to comment on every bit of play and constantly say what was good or bad, or what tactics each team should use or not use. At first it was interesting but when he literally has a comment or opinion on everything it is so boring and makes him come across as a big headed know all. The kind of bloke you would do anything to avoid being stuck with at the pub. With Brown it's definitely a case of less being more, and he ruins the commentary for me at the moment.
I don’t think any criticism should be aimed at BG for using Leaburn as he has no choice. I wrote here as soon as Leaburn signed a pro contract our search for a striker was over and it turned out to be correct.
Thomas is looking to save money wherever he can and when Leaburn scored at Welling and showed early season promise all Thomas could see was pound signs.
I predicted a tenth place finish this season but I think it could be lower than that.
I’ve been a Loyal Charlton fan for over 50 years. my Grandmother who lived in Charlton was since we came to the Valley. last night was one of my lowest points ever as a Charlton supporter. if you cannot beat Shite like Forest Green you should give up, as they are the worst team I’ve seen in years. unfortunately our Failed musician Egotistical Owner is Full of Bullshit and Promises…………It’s F—King disgraceful !!!
Didn't read or post last night as so fecking angry, unusually so for me.
So pissed off with that shocking performance and I don't mean the inept ref.
The lack of desire to build on the early advantage, rather sit back and wait for another goal to come and so hand the initiative to FGR.
We scored from working the ball to the edge of the box and picking a pass but we ended up playing endless poor crosses into a packed box.
Wollacott has been excellent this season but he lost two easy crosses last night, one cost us a corner, the other a goal and two points.
FGR grabbed the gift and then sat back with 10 men and frustrated us. And they did it very well, always there to block or catch a cross.
And they looked dangerous on the break and from corners.
McGrandles reminds me of the lead character in the film "Kes" both in appearance and in footballing abilities. Morgan brought much much more but not enough.
This is now worryingly reminiscent of the Robinson era fixation on one formation and one way of playing where the players are endlessly changed but never the tactics.
We need to play 2 up front end off.id like to see 442 but people just lol suggestions of playing 442 nowadays.Think Claydon and Kirk are good crossers and CBT and RSK have the beating of most fullbacks but final shot or cross is not there.which was evident tonight.I can only think of one cross for leaburn and 2 both over hit to stockley.
Someone made the point earlier how the fullbacks are exposed and I agree. The fullback and winger is a partnership and a lot stronger our fullbacks seem to be exposed yet the opposition seem to be able to double up on our wingers. The same as stockley or tonight leaburn they have 2 players on them so where are our free men when this happens. I don’t think it’s as bad as Adkins team last season.but 1 up the middle is not working still.
As for mcCrappy well he did jog about a bit tonight which is a improvement probably why he had to keep lying down though.Really I haven’t seen a midfield player go to ground that much since I played in my school team.Is he really a professional football player.
It’s becoming very evident that TS should probably sell up. I understand his reticence to invest given what he’s put in so far, with fees for Stockley, Kirk, Mansfield, Fraser and Lavelle, but if all he’s given Garner to work with is the budget to bring in a few free transfers from league 2, that don’t look like they’ll be near the top 6 come Jan, then what is the point.
You can’t tell me another couple of windows operating on the same budget/format that we’ve just had is going to push on, that’s not factoring in losing our ‘better players’ whoever they are.
This is absolutely looking like the beginning of the end for the TS era. He doesn’t want to invest, fair enough, but we are heading to paralysis and keeping our head above water on reputation alone. All the signs are there. The crowds, the frustration, the squad. The only way out of this mess is a new owner and I don’t want to say that after 2 and a bit years, but it’s just not working, nor will it
I get your drift here- but where are the potential buyers? They would have to be crazy
Yes, it’s a valid point. I don’t know. All I know is that if that’s the budget/resources TS has put behind us this season, then it’s game over in terms of promotion. He may change his mind in Jan or next season, but it will have to be another complete rebuild.
Not owning the ground and Sparrows Lane makes everything much more difficult
Didn't read or post last night as so fecking angry, unusually so for me.
So pissed off with that shocking performance and I don't mean the inept ref.
The lack of desire to build on the early advantage, rather sit back and wait for another goal to come and so hand the initiative to FGR.
We scored from working the ball to the edge of the box and picking a pass but we ended up playing endless poor crosses into a packed box.
Wollacott has been excellent this season but he lost two easy crosses last night, one cost us a corner, the other a goal and two points.
FGR grabbed the gift and then sat back with 10 men and frustrated us. And they did it very well, always there to block or catch a cross.
And they looked dangerous on the break and from corners.
McGrandles reminds me of the lead character in the film "Kes" both in appearance and in footballing abilities. Morgan brought much much more but not enough.
This is now worryingly reminiscent of the Robinson era fixation on one formation and one way of playing where the players are endlessly changed but never the tactics.
Just win games.
I don’t think so. Garner has changed the formation in games (including last night) and has recently said now he has more centre backs and with Egbo fit he can switch to 3 at the back. I don’t think Garner is the problem, it’s more that the squad isn’t really suited to other formations as we didn’t bring in enough players. How can we play 2 up front with our current options? We tried it today with JRS and Stockley but JRS looks much better out wide
I don’t think any criticism should be aimed at BG for using Leaburn as he has no choice. I wrote here as soon as Leaburn signed a pro contract our search for a striker was over and it turned out to be correct.
Thomas is looking to save money wherever he can and when Leaburn scored at Welling and showed early season promise all Thomas could see was pound signs.
I predicted a tenth place finish this season but I think it could be lower than that.
At home i a game like last night's he could play Leaburn and Stockley. The problem he has to fit Rak Sakyi and CBT in the team. But at home against a poor side it might have been possible.
As people have stated, our build up play is a tad slow and when we do get in a position to cross and an accurate ball is needed and we are just hit and hope merchants. I assume we do, but it is not evident watching us that we work on movement and where to make runs to in the box. What was also noteworthy is that CBT had 5 good chances. Yes he scored one, but seeing as he gets in a goal scoring position so often when he cuts in, don't we work with him on that? Again, I assume we do, but it is not evident.
Seeing as Garner has what he has, he needs to work harder in training. I always say somebody who gets a lot of chances is a potential goalscorer and as we have so few CBT needs a lot of effort going into him. The problem is that when it pays off, if it pays off, he will be off as that is why he is with us in the first place.
2 away games in a row now. Our away form has been dreadful the last 2 years. Not picking up a win from these 2 could see us slide down the table towards the bottom 4 and Garner come under real pressure. He’s had his hands tied behind his back but I don’t think TS will accept being near the bottom 4. Can he afford to sack him though?
The fact that I’m 100 miles away may be a factor but I’ve never felt less interested. I’ve gone beyond anger and frustration. It’s now apathy which is worse. We are now a bang average league 1 club from top to bottom. I couldn’t afford to watch us now regularly in the flesh even if I wanted to. When you decide to have a game of scrabble on a pissing wet Tuesday evening instead of forking out a tenner to watch us in the stream then you know the writing is on the wall. Tommy Hendrix has clearly given up the ghost and is slashing spend to try to stem his losses. He has been sold a pig in a poke but his ego wouldn’t let him see sense. He assumed that would be promoted straight away and we’d all lick his arse. He’s in for a shock as he’s got nothing to sell. Garner has been a small breath of fresh air but I think he’ll get found out if he doesn’t walk first. We’re a couple of injuries away from being relegation fodder. And the sad thing is I’m not particularly angry about it. Benign resignation. If we were playing in my garden I wouldn’t open the curtains to watch at the moment. Sad state of affairs. Maybe it will come good but I’m not putting any money on it.
IMO a lot of fans putting the blame on Garner is unfair. He coached a comfortable win, and if it wasn’t for poor end product from CBT, and maybe Rak-Sakyi & Payne, combined with a rare mistake from Wollacot, we would have gone in at half time 5-0 up. Granted, second half we were poor, but Garner tried to switch it up, went 2 up top, and sadly it didn’t pay off.
I feel for Garner. Need a goal and you turn to your bench to see Stockley, DJ, and Clayden as your only attacking options. I can imagine he’s just as frustrated with TS as we are.
At least we have no expectations now. It is kind of becalming. Bit like supporting a Shrewsbury, Rochdale or Mansfield.
Meet mates, have a few beers, chew the cud about life, watch a decent Prem game, shrug your shoulders because you know it will be ordinary at the game, few more beers, takeaway on the way home, watch Match of the Day. Happy days. Low expectations are the key to supporting Charlton and having a good day.
Hard to get too worked up. We're a mediocre L1 side and belong in this division.
I don't agree that we are mediocre. I think we play some pretty decent football & so far this season have been the better team in most of the games. But we fail to capitalise when we go ahead & have dropped points against Accrington, Cambridge, Bolton & tonight when leading. Not only can we not do a Golfie we are now not winning when ahead......something that was unheard of over the past couple of seasons.
And if we stay in this division too much longer I don't think I'll be attending many more games.
In terms of results we are mediocre. Decent football involves scoring goals not simply having more possession.
If we don't score more we need a rock solid defence and we haven't got that.
IMO a lot of fans putting the blame on Garner is unfair. He coached a comfortable win, and if it wasn’t for poor end product from CBT, and maybe Rak-Sakyi & Payne, combined with a rare mistake from Wollacot, we would have gone in at half time 5-0 up. Granted, second half we were poor, but Garner tried to switch it up, went 2 up top, and sadly it didn’t pay off.
I feel for Garner. Need a goal and you turn to your bench to see Stockley, DJ, and Clayden as your only attacking options. I can imagine he’s just as frustrated with TS as we are.
Game should have been over in the first 20 minutes of the game, number of good chances, once teams sit back that is when we are in trouble, they sat very deep, no space in behind.
One of the reason we got Payne in is to unlock defence, and tonight it just didn't come off for him. Games like this, makes or breaks the season, and at the moment it is breaking them.
I would have liked to have seen JFC come on, in games like this, he can certainly put on in the top bins
At least we have no expectations now. It is kind of becalming. Bit like supporting a Shrewsbury, Rochdale or Mansfield.
Meet mates, have a few beers, chew the cud about life, watch a decent Prem game, shrug your shoulders because you know it will be ordinary at the game, few more beers, takeaway on the way home, watch Match of the Day. Happy days. Low expectations are the key to supporting Charlton and having a good day.
Hard to get too worked up. We're a mediocre L1 side and belong in this division.
I don't agree that we are mediocre. I think we play some pretty decent football & so far this season have been the better team in most of the games. But we fail to capitalise when we go ahead & have dropped points against Accrington, Cambridge, Bolton & tonight when leading. Not only can we not do a Golfie we are now not winning when ahead......something that was unheard of over the past couple of seasons.
And if we stay in this division too much longer I don't think I'll be attending many more games.
In terms of results we are mediocre. Decent football involves scoring goals not simply having more possession.
If we don't score more we need a rock solid defence and we haven't got that.
Totally agree.
I was looking at our Goals For column. No one better than our 12 scored outside the top 7.......however, that is masked by the 5 we scored against Plymouth. Take those out of the equation and its 7 goals in 7 games - 5 single goal games, 1 blank & 1 where we scored 2 (first game of the season). Arsenal might be able to win the Premier League by winning 1-0 every week but you wont win League 1 by only scoring a goal a game.
The few matches I’ve seen (which include the Plymouth aberration which has to be put down as a fluke) suggest that the football is slightly more appealing on the eye compared to last year but that’s like saying a non smelly shit is more appealing than a smelly shit. We have a nucleus of league 2 freebies, “yoof” and bog standard league 1 players. The only players we have who I think are promotion class are Dobson (only just as I think he is being overrated cos he’s the best of a bad bunch), CBT when he learns some composure and Sessegnon. We have a small squad which is rendered effectively smaller by the fact that we have a couple of players who are always injured (one of whom is a nutter who will be suspended if he isn’t injured) and luxuries like Kirk who is a dud. The only way we will get out of this league under the current ownership is downwards. And he can’t sell as he’s got nothing to sell. He doesn’t own anything except “the football club” which is bang in debt. Even if he sold off the entire academy squad at a million quid a man (nurse, nurse!!!!!!!) he wouldn’t get back what he’s lost so far. He could only sell to a deluded egocentric with more money than sense who knows fuck all about running a football club. Lightning striking twice and all that……
Anyone blaming/criticising Garner for the performances in the last 3 weeks are missing the bigger picture.
He's a great manager and it's clear that his style of play was working, he just needed to be given the resources to take us up the table. That hasn't happened so now he's rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic with mid-table League One players and youth in the hope that we find the next Gomez or Grant.
My patience with this bloody OCD (Obsessive Charlton Disorder) is wearing very very VERY thin, i have been a supporter for 65 years and I've had enough, figuratively speaking of course, because I love the club, and will continue to do so. Can't say too much about yesterday that hasn't already been said over and again, and how we get ourselves back to some sort of respectful position, ie out of this shite league is beyond me, I have always supported Thomas and what he has done for our great club, but i fear for our future with him at the helm, we are league one for the foreseeable future... Happy days eh, oh for just a little bit of this...
Did we create that many chances in the first half? There's a difference between getting in a good area and creating a chance. We got in plenty of good positions but took the wrong option. There's still two more steps you need to get a chance at scoring - the final ball and the finish. We never even got to the first one.
Some of our final third attacking play was brainless but defensively is where this team worries me most. Even the mighty FGR looked an attacking force when coming down the flanks. Why do we allow so much space and easy overlaps? One clean sheet so far and that was against Derby (and God knows how they didn't score). You're not going to have a good season when you have to score 2-4 goals just to win a game.
I felt the belief draining out of me last night. I felt very positive about this team considering our tough start but I needed to see us do well against Cambridge and FGR. The holy ghost has left my body. That was a really poor showing with problems at both ends of the pitch. I don't know where the season goes from here.
Oh.....and just to point out that Colby Bishop scored again for Pompey last night. That's 5 for the season so far. Not an "out of the world" return but Miles better (see what I did there) than our front 2 combined.
I'll re-start the front 2 comparison between Stockley&Aneke v Bishop&Piggott once Chuks actually takes the field. Dont really think it's fair otherwise 🤭.
Oh.....and just to point out that Colby Bishop scored again for Pompey last night. That's 5 for the season so far. Not an "out of the world" return but Miles better (see what I did there) than our front 2 combined.
I'll re-start the front 2 comparison between Stockley&Aneke v Bishop&Piggott once Chuks actually takes the field. Dont really think it's fair otherwise 🤭.
so around March then.
It really feels like an opportunity to do something this season was completely frittered away. We have no one that can turn hese 1-0 leads into 2 off a half chance or being in the right place instintively. The stuff you cant coach.
Sandgaard and his bull, hes promised BG the world and only gave him Erith.
My man of the match was the bloke that hit the crossbar during half time.
So, you pays your money and you takes your choice. Sandgaard paid no money this last transfer window - he cannot wonder why we have ended up with the footballing equivalent of synthetic cubic zirconia rather than diamonds.
Then there's Fraser. Didn't play because his wife gave birth the previous day. WTF! Get your wife tupped so she gives birth in the close season, It's not rocket science is it! Maybe he should give up football and become a local government official or something.
When I first saw that starting lineup I thought, have I got it wrong is this a Pizza cup game. My next thought was oh he's making a point to certain players following their inept showing at Bolton.. But c' mon, throwing right footed Chin in at left back on his debut? Leaburn as target man? Is Garner trying to destroy them? Payne and McGrandles I thought deserved their chance, but only one of them rose to the challenge. Nevertheless I'd been waiting to see CBT and JRS start a match together and for a while there it looked like FGR were finding them unplayable. CBT took his goal well but then spent the rest of the half displayable a complete lack of technique and composure in his shooting, something that seems to be a feature of this squad. So as we continued to dominate, so we flattered to deceive and as usual our poor decision making in the final third and woeful absence of a clinical finisher became apparent. I said to my son 5 minutes before they equalised, we are going to get suckered here. We should have been 3 or 4 up by then, but promising positions and could a, woulda, shoulda don't win you football matches. I hoped we'd regroup and go again second half, but they parked the bus and we laboured and stared to lose belief. I actually thought we were drifting towards defeat until Morgan came on and added a bit of vigour. So we failed to win a must win game and those who have been shouting that we have only played top teams have pause for thought. To borrow the words of Tony Mowbray, we should be beating teams like Forest Green Rovers at home. This is bad, and the squad inadequacies are being laid bare. Every game now starts to look like must win as we seek to avoid a worrying drift downwards. Not that I expect any passionate protest from the fans. That was so last year. Apathy and abstinence are the new statement.
Better get used to it. There's gonna be much more like this as the season progresses.
It's like the natural order of football in London has changed permanently. The team forever in the third division used to be Brentford. Now, it's us. Owners may change, managers may change, but our luck?
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I wrote here as soon as Leaburn signed a pro contract our search for a striker was over and it turned out to be correct.
Thomas is looking to save money wherever he can and when Leaburn scored at Welling and showed early season promise all Thomas could see was pound signs.
I predicted a tenth place finish this season but I think it could be lower than that.
my Grandmother who lived in Charlton was since we came to the Valley.
last night was one of my lowest points ever as a Charlton supporter.
if you cannot beat Shite like Forest Green you should give up, as they are the worst team I’ve seen in years.
unfortunately our Failed musician Egotistical Owner is Full of Bullshit and Promises…………It’s F—King disgraceful !!!
So pissed off with that shocking performance and I don't mean the inept ref.
The lack of desire to build on the early advantage, rather sit back and wait for another goal to come and so hand the initiative to FGR.
We scored from working the ball to the edge of the box and picking a pass but we ended up playing endless poor crosses into a packed box.
Wollacott has been excellent this season but he lost two easy crosses last night, one cost us a corner, the other a goal and two points.
FGR grabbed the gift and then sat back with 10 men and frustrated us. And they did it very well, always there to block or catch a cross.
And they looked dangerous on the break and from corners.
McGrandles reminds me of the lead character in the film "Kes" both in appearance and in footballing abilities. Morgan brought much much more but not enough.
This is now worryingly reminiscent of the Robinson era fixation on one formation and one way of playing where the players are endlessly changed but never the tactics.
Just win games.
As people have stated, our build up play is a tad slow and when we do get in a position to cross and an accurate ball is needed and we are just hit and hope merchants. I assume we do, but it is not evident watching us that we work on movement and where to make runs to in the box. What was also noteworthy is that CBT had 5 good chances. Yes he scored one, but seeing as he gets in a goal scoring position so often when he cuts in, don't we work with him on that? Again, I assume we do, but it is not evident.
Seeing as Garner has what he has, he needs to work harder in training. I always say somebody who gets a lot of chances is a potential goalscorer and as we have so few CBT needs a lot of effort going into him. The problem is that when it pays off, if it pays off, he will be off as that is why he is with us in the first place.
I feel for Garner. Need a goal and you turn to your bench to see Stockley, DJ, and Clayden as your only attacking options. I can imagine he’s just as frustrated with TS as we are.
If we don't score more we need a rock solid defence and we haven't got that.
One of the reason we got Payne in is to unlock defence, and tonight it just didn't come off for him. Games like this, makes or breaks the season, and at the moment it is breaking them.
I would have liked to have seen JFC come on, in games like this, he can certainly put on in the top bins
I was looking at our Goals For column. No one better than our 12 scored outside the top 7.......however, that is masked by the 5 we scored against Plymouth. Take those out of the equation and its 7 goals in 7 games - 5 single goal games, 1 blank & 1 where we scored 2 (first game of the season). Arsenal might be able to win the Premier League by winning 1-0 every week but you wont win League 1 by only scoring a goal a game.
And this is Garnerball.
He's a great manager and it's clear that his style of play was working, he just needed to be given the resources to take us up the table. That hasn't happened so now he's rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic with mid-table League One players and youth in the hope that we find the next Gomez or Grant.
Can't say too much about yesterday that hasn't already been said over and again, and how we get ourselves back to some sort of respectful position, ie out of this shite league is beyond me, I have always supported Thomas and what he has done for our great club, but i fear for our future with him at the helm, we are league one for the foreseeable future...
Happy days eh, oh for just a little bit of this...
Some of our final third attacking play was brainless but defensively is where this team worries me most. Even the mighty FGR looked an attacking force when coming down the flanks. Why do we allow so much space and easy overlaps? One clean sheet so far and that was against Derby (and God knows how they didn't score). You're not going to have a good season when you have to score 2-4 goals just to win a game.
I felt the belief draining out of me last night. I felt very positive about this team considering our tough start but I needed to see us do well against Cambridge and FGR. The holy ghost has left my body. That was a really poor showing with problems at both ends of the pitch. I don't know where the season goes from here.
I'll re-start the front 2 comparison between Stockley&Aneke v Bishop&Piggott once Chuks actually takes the field. Dont really think it's fair otherwise 🤭.
It really feels like an opportunity to do something this season was completely frittered away. We have no one that can turn hese 1-0 leads into 2 off a half chance or being in the right place instintively. The stuff you cant coach.
Sandgaard and his bull, hes promised BG the world and only gave him Erith.
I guess this nullifies everything we post on here. Until better players are brought bought in we can't expect much more from the sides he puts out.
Pissed off with excuses.
So, you pays your money and you takes your choice. Sandgaard paid no money this last transfer window - he cannot wonder why we have ended up with the footballing equivalent of synthetic cubic zirconia rather than diamonds.
Then there's Fraser. Didn't play because his wife gave birth the previous day. WTF! Get your wife tupped so she gives birth in the close season, It's not rocket science is it! Maybe he should give up football and become a local government official or something.
My next thought was oh he's making a point to certain players following their inept showing at Bolton..
But c' mon, throwing right footed Chin in at left back on his debut? Leaburn as target man? Is Garner trying to destroy them?
Payne and McGrandles I thought deserved their chance, but only one of them rose to the challenge.
Nevertheless I'd been waiting to see CBT and JRS start a match together and for a while there it looked like FGR were finding them unplayable.
CBT took his goal well but then spent the rest of the half displayable a complete lack of technique and composure in his shooting, something that seems to be a feature of this squad.
So as we continued to dominate, so we flattered to deceive and as usual our poor decision making in the final third and woeful absence of a clinical finisher became apparent.
I said to my son 5 minutes before they equalised, we are going to get suckered here.
We should have been 3 or 4 up by then, but promising positions and could a, woulda, shoulda don't win you football matches.
I hoped we'd regroup and go again second half, but they parked the bus and we laboured and stared to lose belief.
I actually thought we were drifting towards defeat until Morgan came on and added a bit of vigour.
So we failed to win a must win game and those who have been shouting that we have only played top teams have pause for thought.
To borrow the words of Tony Mowbray, we should be beating teams like Forest Green Rovers at home.
This is bad, and the squad inadequacies are being laid bare.
Every game now starts to look like must win as we seek to avoid a worrying drift downwards.
Not that I expect any passionate protest from the fans. That was so last year. Apathy and abstinence are the new statement.
It's like the natural order of football in London has changed permanently. The team forever in the third division used to be Brentford. Now, it's us. Owners may change, managers may change, but our luck?
Answers on a post card please....