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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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I dont think it is a good idea to go over anything any of that mob said and start thinking it might have been truthful ! One thing I do know that is 100% fact is that none of that lot had an ounce of integrity, morals or cash. Please let's not harp back to their past statements wondering if they are factual as you wont be wrong to just assume it was lying bollockseastterrace6168 said:PWR
Lots of chat and thoughts about TS and his plans or not to sell, also about his supposed lack of cash or expertise in running our great club, I keep recalling talk from one of the original snakes trying to run us into the ground, maybe Fartsmell or possibly it was Elliot, but they kept saying that "Thomas has no money" or words to that effect, and all will become clear... well I certainly scoffed as I would think the rest of us did....well, here we are now...
Don't know the inner thinking of Thomas or the gang, but we either need some change at the top, or a quick change of direction to where we are heading and it ain't up at the moment..3 -
So using £16m as the figure for the operating losses to date, then considering the income / expenditure on the transfer market (bonus payments from previous outbound transfers?). Approximately, how deep is TS into the Club I wonder?Airman Brown said:
These are operating losses, which are recurring but they don’t include transfer dealings. Sandgaard says he has spent £20m which presumably includes what he spent to acquire the club, but he’s likely to have made a profit on transfers. It is conceivable he’s regarding that as money he’s put in too, but it’s impossible to say.Gribbo said:
£8m losses a year over 2 years is £16m.MuttleyCAFC said:Say he wants £5m for the club. If he sold in a years time, he would have lost it and some. Best surely to let it go for £1 now. If somebody is willing to take us on.
in any event, the point is that he has to find the extra money if he remains owner. He can ask what he likes of a purchaser but in the meantime he has to cover the losses one way or another. He isn’t going to break even by cutting costs or increasing revenue.0 -
I most certainly was not trying to put credence to anything that mob said, my point was that many of us are now saying the same thing, it was an ironic statement, I know none of that lot had any integrity, morals ,or cash, that was a given, hopefully you can understand my point, there was no intention to create animosity..AndyG said:
I dont think it is a good idea to go over anything any of that mob said and start thinking it might have been truthful ! One thing I do know that is 100% fact is that none of that lot had an ounce of integrity, morals or cash. Please let's not harp back to their past statements wondering if they are factual as you wont be wrong to just assume it was lying bollockseastterrace6168 said:PWR
Lots of chat and thoughts about TS and his plans or not to sell, also about his supposed lack of cash or expertise in running our great club, I keep recalling talk from one of the original snakes trying to run us into the ground, maybe Fartsmell or possibly it was Elliot, but they kept saying that "Thomas has no money" or words to that effect, and all will become clear... well I certainly scoffed as I would think the rest of us did....well, here we are now...
Don't know the inner thinking of Thomas or the gang, but we either need some change at the top, or a quick change of direction to where we are heading and it ain't up at the moment..0 -
Whatever he is in for will never be recovered, just as Dutchelet will never recover his losses, although Roland thinks he will recover that loss in a sale of the assets or rather he did. There is a striking similarity in both men though, they both reached a point where any further investment in the club became a non starter and they simply paid the bills plus sold whatever they could to partly cover their losses.Gribbo said:
So using £16m as the figure for the operating losses to date, then considering the income / expenditure on the transfer market (bonus payments from previous outbound transfers?). Approximately, how deep is TS into the Club I wonder?Airman Brown said:
These are operating losses, which are recurring but they don’t include transfer dealings. Sandgaard says he has spent £20m which presumably includes what he spent to acquire the club, but he’s likely to have made a profit on transfers. It is conceivable he’s regarding that as money he’s put in too, but it’s impossible to say.Gribbo said:
£8m losses a year over 2 years is £16m.MuttleyCAFC said:Say he wants £5m for the club. If he sold in a years time, he would have lost it and some. Best surely to let it go for £1 now. If somebody is willing to take us on.
in any event, the point is that he has to find the extra money if he remains owner. He can ask what he likes of a purchaser but in the meantime he has to cover the losses one way or another. He isn’t going to break even by cutting costs or increasing revenue.
I am convinced that TS's statement about the club being cost neutral in two years time is part of a selling strategy, not a good one though, our problem is that the ESI's are still out there and when the current owner is getting desperate to off load his eight million a year loss, he's not going to be choosy who takes it off him.3 -
Without seeing the full notes from the fans forum it's hard to say but I really hoped they needled him on the complete bunkum he has pitched about the squad slowly building to a successful one and that we are a few transfer windows away from greatness.
Did the signings we made in the summer look like they were rough diamonds? Young future starlets?
Certainly not. A few journeymen cast offs that I doubt many others were seriously interested in.
Sandgaard treats us as though we are as all as dim as he is.8 -
I am not convinced that he wants out (yet). I have been told that the undersoil heating system is now connected to a boiler. If that is true, why would he commit to that cost (on Roland's property)? Plus the cost of filling the 20 miles of piping with hot water on freezing days if he was trying to bail out?2
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They might have found an old boiler in a skip!cafcfan said:I am not convinced that he wants out (yet). I have been told that the undersoil heating system is now connected to a boiler. If that is true, why would he commit to that cost (on Roland's property)? Plus the cost of filling the 20 miles of piping with hot water on freezing days if he was trying to bail out?2 -
Wondered where KM ended upMuttleyCAFC said:
They might have found an old boiler in a skip!cafcfan said:I am not convinced that he wants out (yet). I have been told that the undersoil heating system is now connected to a boiler. If that is true, why would he commit to that cost (on Roland's property)? Plus the cost of filling the 20 miles of piping with hot water on freezing days if he was trying to bail out?
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As did Southall, as did Katrien Miere, as did Richard Murray...carly burn said:Without seeing the full notes from the fans forum it's hard to say but I really hoped they needled him on the complete bunkum he has pitched about the squad slowly building to a successful one and that we are a few transfer windows away from greatness.
Did the signings we made in the summer look like they were rough diamonds? Young future starlets?
Certainly not. A few journeymen cast offs that I doubt many others were seriously interested in.
Sandgaard treats us as though we are as all as dim as he is.3 -
Is it just rubbershoes typing these notes up 10-wpm ffs0
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So it’s official, he/we are a joke…
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Not sure the recent signings are journeymen cast offs in the way Watson, Gunter, Lee and Marcus Maddison were.carly burn said:Without seeing the full notes from the fans forum it's hard to say but I really hoped they needled him on the complete bunkum he has pitched about the squad slowly building to a successful one and that we are a few transfer windows away from greatness.
Did the signings we made in the summer look like they were rough diamonds? Young future starlets?
Certainly not. A few journeymen cast offs that I doubt many others were seriously interested in.
Sandgaard treats us as though we are as all as dim as he is.0 -
Wollacott, Sess and JRS all have the potential to play higher. Latter two are loans so that’s unlikely to be with us.JamesSeed said:
Not sure the recent signings are journeymen cast offs in the way Watson, Gunter, Lee and Marcus Maddison were.carly burn said:Without seeing the full notes from the fans forum it's hard to say but I really hoped they needled him on the complete bunkum he has pitched about the squad slowly building to a successful one and that we are a few transfer windows away from greatness.
Did the signings we made in the summer look like they were rough diamonds? Young future starlets?
Certainly not. A few journeymen cast offs that I doubt many others were seriously interested in.
Sandgaard treats us as though we are as all as dim as he is.
Egbo and Thomas too early to judge. They’re at this level for a reason but young enough to develop further.
Not convinced about Payne, O’Connell and McGrandles playing above L1. Nothing wrong with signings like that in a promotion squad if you have enough stand out players with that Championship potential, but so far I’m not seeing that in this squad.
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I think O'Connell can play championship, I have been impressed with him. Good defender and good on the ball, maybe lacks a bit of pace.Scoham said:
Wollacott, Sess and JRS all have the potential to play higher. Latter two are loans so that’s unlikely to be with us.JamesSeed said:
Not sure the recent signings are journeymen cast offs in the way Watson, Gunter, Lee and Marcus Maddison were.carly burn said:Without seeing the full notes from the fans forum it's hard to say but I really hoped they needled him on the complete bunkum he has pitched about the squad slowly building to a successful one and that we are a few transfer windows away from greatness.
Did the signings we made in the summer look like they were rough diamonds? Young future starlets?
Certainly not. A few journeymen cast offs that I doubt many others were seriously interested in.
Sandgaard treats us as though we are as all as dim as he is.
Egbo and Thomas too early to judge. They’re at this level for a reason but young enough to develop further.
Not convinced about Payne, O’Connell and McGrandles playing above L1. Nothing wrong with signings like that in a promotion squad if you have enough stand out players with that Championship potential, but so far I’m not seeing that in this squad.
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My main concern (or gripe) is when stability is the glossed up word for cost-cutting and little investment.5
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It’s referring to the owners bank balance.mendonca said:My main concern (or gripe) is when stability is the glossed up word for cost-cutting and little investment.0 -
just seen this on Facebook. Don't know how true this
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Seeing nothing on Twitter or from Cawley himself to suggest there's anything in that.18
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Hasslebank as DOF?0
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Catering manager more likesammy391 said:Hasslebank as DOF?35 -
There surely can be no truth in this? If there is any, it is absolute madness.5
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Surely JFH wouldn't be getting straight back into a management type role he seems way more at home on Sky doing pundit work?0
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Given the fact this joker says that Cawley is reporting it when he's clearly not, why does this nonsense get posted?cafcledbury said:
just seen this on Facebook. Don't know how true this18 -
Aren't we short of kit men??
Will we be able to get him some shorts that fit??0 -
Like before TS no one they all run scared of the financial package, debt and losses and cost of getting rid of the crooks … after going through what TS did to get the club no way he going to put our future in jeopardy by spending way above our means … TS is doing the right thing , fans can shout and throw toys out the pram because Man City beat us to Haaland if we are not wasting money on players no better then what we have in our squad or youth level ……king addick said:This isnt defence of TS when I ask this question but realistically what can we expect if TS sells? Who is out there? Who would want to take the chance on us? More importantly, are we as a club, financially worth it?
Again not a loaded question and no right or wrong answer but I am curious as to what is out there & peoples opinions.16 -
He had no connection to the club in what he said .. and has since been reprimanded by TS ..Isawsummersplay said:I I bought tickets for the Exeter game for myself and two of my sons which cost me almost £90. I was going to hold them over until the game is rearranged. After last night, and the obtuse statement by this Johnny-come-lately upstart Rifkind, I have just emailed the club asking for a full refund.Having supported the club for 64 years, and a season ticket holder for 40 years until this season, I very much doubt I will be returning to watch a game for the foreseeable future.Congratulations Mr Rifkind, you have done something even Duchatelet and Meire couldn’t do. You have made me turn my back on the club I love more than you will ever know.14 -
Considering how last season went, we needed to sign better players than we had.RonnieMoore said:
Like before TS no one they all run scared of the financial package, debt and losses and cost of getting rid of the crooks … after going through what TS did to get the club no way he going to put our future in jeopardy by spending way above our means … TS is doing the right thing , fans can shout and throw toys out the pram because Man City beat us to Haaland if we are not wasting money on players no better then what we have in our squad or youth level ……king addick said:This isnt defence of TS when I ask this question but realistically what can we expect if TS sells? Who is out there? Who would want to take the chance on us? More importantly, are we as a club, financially worth it?
Again not a loaded question and no right or wrong answer but I am curious as to what is out there & peoples opinions.
sadly I’m not sure we have.4
