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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Interesting thing re: Garner, obvs depending on how his contract is structured, but if results continue to be poor and TS finds himself in the firing line with regard our discontent, sacks BG, then it’s likely to be another payout. Might not be that much in the grand scheme of things, but it would be another headache on the footballing side.
It’s been summed well by most on here, but I think he came into this completely ignorant of what it would take to make this a success and thought I have X amount allocated, let’s spend it, by that time we’ll be in the Championship and probably competing to go up to the Prem. I truly believe he thought the 5 year goal was attainable on the X amount he’d allocated at the start and over 5 years. Basically he thought year one or year two (the first full season he had - last season) we would get out of League One. Year 3, this season, either already had a season in the Championship to establish ourselves, or this was our first season back, more people would come to watch, gates would increase slightly and the feel good factor would be there, and by year 5, goal achieved, additional investment, sponsorship etc.
All good intentions, grossly misjudged on the basis, he’s not a football man. Look and listen to him. Who writes a song with the lyric ‘clean sheet win’
I’m not adding much new, we’ve all said the same thing in different ways. He quite literally hasn’t got a clue about English football, or football in general for that matter. I’ve had a life time of watching us play largely League football, bar 8 seasons in the Prem. This club is in our blood. We’ve lived hundreds of crap results over and over (there’s been some great wins to). This is what he doesn’t get. I’m not saying being a fan of us would guarantee success, but I reckon most of the people on this site could’ve made a better go of it than him if they had the money, or at least offered him sound advice, based on the fact we get it.
It’s a shame because I think he’s come in with all the right intentions, which have slowly eroded over time and that may have had an impact on his treatment of non playing staff and belligerence in running the club. I say ‘May’ because I don’t know for sure, but I think as things have gotten worse and not gone his way, his approach to running the club has matched this31 -
Has Sandgaard “suddenly stopped”? I assume he’s still providing pretty significant funding or we would be heading towards administration now.MuttleyCAFC said:Something changed. In the beginning he was happy to spunk money on dubious spends, then suddenly he stopped. It is obvious that a big reason we missed out on a striker was we had to free up money elsewhere first but couldn't. It begs the question why we brought in so many midfielders if we knew it was spending all the budget. I would say it is either because Garner is an idiot or the budget changed. My money is on the latter.
Now I think Garner was not a disasterous appointment, but a big issue with it is he is less able to be openly critical in the same way as Adkins. It is about being more willing to toe the line. I know some will disagree with me but I don't think we are that far off with the squad. We could improve defensively but a decent striker for the level would make a significant difference to us. I think there are two issues, one I know, and the first is Sandgaard doesn't understand why. The other is whether Sandgaard has the money or indeed has decided not to spend. I don't know which of those applies.1 -
Most stocks have short positions, this sector is an easy target.lonman said:Zynex currently have 17% of their shares sold short. Someone has a very large bet that his company isn't worth the $9 a share it's currently trading at.
Stock currently has 3 buy ratings and one neutral.1 -
You love it, don't u!se9addick said:
Has Sandgaard “suddenly stopped”? I assume he’s still providing pretty significant funding or we would be heading towards administration now.MuttleyCAFC said:Something changed. In the beginning he was happy to spunk money on dubious spends, then suddenly he stopped. It is obvious that a big reason we missed out on a striker was we had to free up money elsewhere first but couldn't. It begs the question why we brought in so many midfielders if we knew it was spending all the budget. I would say it is either because Garner is an idiot or the budget changed. My money is on the latter.
Now I think Garner was not a disasterous appointment, but a big issue with it is he is less able to be openly critical in the same way as Adkins. It is about being more willing to toe the line. I know some will disagree with me but I don't think we are that far off with the squad. We could improve defensively but a decent striker for the level would make a significant difference to us. I think there are two issues, one I know, and the first is Sandgaard doesn't understand why. The other is whether Sandgaard has the money or indeed has decided not to spend. I don't know which of those applies.0 -
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That article is a nice summary of 50 pages of this thread
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I'd rather he'd focus on making sure we can operate safely on a matchday than do interviews with SLP.13
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I reckon Raelynn has seen her lifestyle going down the Swanee and threatened to shut up shop.
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He is probably worth around $150m which is a lot of money but not hugely liquid and certainly not enough to want to commit c $10m every year to a losing football club.3
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Don't forget that our turnover is a limiting factor in that if we are to operate within EFL rules.supaclive said:I don't believe TS has the cash to run us
Some here say he won't spend it running us
Either way, it isn't great
Hence my mid table mediocrity comment
And that's actually a positive on where we currently sit.
Until we get an owner willing to spend probably £15m+ of their own cash on salaries and transfer fees, and quickly, we won't get promoted0 - Sponsored links:
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Gottle o’gear.Raith_C_Chattonell said:I reckon Raelynn has seen her lifestyle going down the Swanee and threatened to shut up shop.6 -
Very much so, and this will be unpopular but it works both ways. We all want TS to spend millions on players and get further in debt but some won't pay his over inflated match day prices to aid the turnover Whilst I think he has got his pricing structure massively wrong it seems unfair to moan about him dipping further into his pockets when people, rightly or wrongly, won't do the same!swordfish said:
Don't forget that our turnover is a limiting factor in that if we are to operate within EFL rules.supaclive said:I don't believe TS has the cash to run us
Some here say he won't spend it running us
Either way, it isn't great
Hence my mid table mediocrity comment
And that's actually a positive on where we currently sit.
Until we get an owner willing to spend probably £15m+ of their own cash on salaries and transfer fees, and quickly, we won't get promoted7 -
I doubt that TS will struggle to heat the house this winter and feed his kids. There is a limit to what people can afford, it’s classed as an expensive (and disappointing) luxury I’m afraid.Clarky said:
Very much so, and this will be unpopular but it works both ways. We all want TS to spend millions on players and get further in debt but some won't pay his over inflated match day prices to aid the turnover Whilst I think he has got his pricing structure massively wrong it seems unfair to moan about him dipping further into his pockets when people, rightly or wrongly, won't do the same!swordfish said:
Don't forget that our turnover is a limiting factor in that if we are to operate within EFL rules.supaclive said:I don't believe TS has the cash to run us
Some here say he won't spend it running us
Either way, it isn't great
Hence my mid table mediocrity comment
And that's actually a positive on where we currently sit.
Until we get an owner willing to spend probably £15m+ of their own cash on salaries and transfer fees, and quickly, we won't get promoted
Everyone has less pennies in their pockets and they put the prices up, utter madness. The walk up fee of £37 is the same my mate pays for his Man Utd seat.9 -
Absolutely.robroy said:
I doubt that TS will struggle to heat the house this winter and feed his kids. There is a limit to what people can afford, it’s classed as an expensive (and disappointing) luxury I’m afraid.Clarky said:
Very much so, and this will be unpopular but it works both ways. We all want TS to spend millions on players and get further in debt but some won't pay his over inflated match day prices to aid the turnover Whilst I think he has got his pricing structure massively wrong it seems unfair to moan about him dipping further into his pockets when people, rightly or wrongly, won't do the same!swordfish said:
Don't forget that our turnover is a limiting factor in that if we are to operate within EFL rules.supaclive said:I don't believe TS has the cash to run us
Some here say he won't spend it running us
Either way, it isn't great
Hence my mid table mediocrity comment
And that's actually a positive on where we currently sit.
Until we get an owner willing to spend probably £15m+ of their own cash on salaries and transfer fees, and quickly, we won't get promoted
Everyone has less pennies in their pockets and they put the prices up, utter madness. The walk up fee of £37 is the same my mate pays for his Man Utd seat.
It's silly to conflate the fans spending with the owners spending5 -
Who are these people, though? They are the less committed - literally by virtue of not being season ticket holders. Season tickets are not generally overpriced (the premium seats are, but you can trade down without much effect).Clarky said:
Very much so, and this will be unpopular but it works both ways. We all want TS to spend millions on players and get further in debt but some won't pay his over inflated match day prices to aid the turnover Whilst I think he has got his pricing structure massively wrong it seems unfair to moan about him dipping further into his pockets when people, rightly or wrongly, won't do the same!swordfish said:
Don't forget that our turnover is a limiting factor in that if we are to operate within EFL rules.supaclive said:I don't believe TS has the cash to run us
Some here say he won't spend it running us
Either way, it isn't great
Hence my mid table mediocrity comment
And that's actually a positive on where we currently sit.
Until we get an owner willing to spend probably £15m+ of their own cash on salaries and transfer fees, and quickly, we won't get promoted
There are all sort of reasons why people don’t buy season tickets but very generally they are being asked to take more of the burden when they are less interested in the first place.12 -
With the original budget when he took over the priority should have been promotion. The money spent on other items, such as cat1 etc could and should have waited until we were in the Championship. If he'd have got the team promoted after 2 years, what would have been wasted?Missed a trick with realising the most important thing is your first team being successfull. That brings the crowds, and the sponsorship no gimmicks required.The money he has now wasted could easily have got a CEO ,manager and a team to get us there. The bloke is out of his depth, and too proud to ask/pay for help.Will the bloke now change, not sure he will25
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100% this, the success of the first team should drive the rest of the business.fenlandaddick said:With the original budget when he took over the priority should have been promotion. The money spent on other items, such as cat1 etc could and should have waited until we were in the Championship. If he'd have got the team promoted after 2 years, what would have been wasted?Missed a trick with realising the most important thing is your first team being successfull. That brings the crowds, and the sponsorship no gimmicks required.0 -
robroy said:
I doubt that TS will struggle to heat the house this winter and feed his kids. There is a limit to what people can afford, it’s classed as an expensive (and disappointing) luxury I’m afraid.Clarky said:
Very much so, and this will be unpopular but it works both ways. We all want TS to spend millions on players and get further in debt but some won't pay his over inflated match day prices to aid the turnover Whilst I think he has got his pricing structure massively wrong it seems unfair to moan about him dipping further into his pockets when people, rightly or wrongly, won't do the same!swordfish said:
Don't forget that our turnover is a limiting factor in that if we are to operate within EFL rules.supaclive said:I don't believe TS has the cash to run us
Some here say he won't spend it running us
Either way, it isn't great
Hence my mid table mediocrity comment
And that's actually a positive on where we currently sit.
Until we get an owner willing to spend probably £15m+ of their own cash on salaries and transfer fees, and quickly, we won't get promoted
Everyone has less pennies in their pockets and they put the prices up, utter madness. The walk up fee of £37 is the same my mate pays for his Man Utd seat.
£37 for a match day ticket at old Trafford? Obviously that's in a specific location but still didn't think it could be as low.
£37 for a match day ticket at Charlton is absolutely horrendous. Anything above £30 is really stupid and it's instantly off putting.
Thomas sandguard is stressed and he doesn't enjoy owning the club.
The stress is getting the worst out of his decision making. His stress shouldn't be anyone else's problem1 -
Yeah, he text me to ask what had gone wrong at Charlton. I then went on to reel off multiple things and mentioned the west stand walk up at £37. He was astounded.Dave2l said:robroy said:
I doubt that TS will struggle to heat the house this winter and feed his kids. There is a limit to what people can afford, it’s classed as an expensive (and disappointing) luxury I’m afraid.Clarky said:
Very much so, and this will be unpopular but it works both ways. We all want TS to spend millions on players and get further in debt but some won't pay his over inflated match day prices to aid the turnover Whilst I think he has got his pricing structure massively wrong it seems unfair to moan about him dipping further into his pockets when people, rightly or wrongly, won't do the same!swordfish said:
Don't forget that our turnover is a limiting factor in that if we are to operate within EFL rules.supaclive said:I don't believe TS has the cash to run us
Some here say he won't spend it running us
Either way, it isn't great
Hence my mid table mediocrity comment
And that's actually a positive on where we currently sit.
Until we get an owner willing to spend probably £15m+ of their own cash on salaries and transfer fees, and quickly, we won't get promoted
Everyone has less pennies in their pockets and they put the prices up, utter madness. The walk up fee of £37 is the same my mate pays for his Man Utd seat.
£37 for a match day ticket at old Trafford? Obviously that's in a specific location but still didn't think it could be as low.
£37 for a match day ticket at Charlton is absolutely horrendous. Anything above £30 is really stupid and it's instantly off putting.
Thomas sandguard is stressed and he doesn't enjoy owning the club.
The stress is getting the worst out of his decision making. His stress shouldn't be anyone else's problem
I'm sorry TS your time is up, you will have an exit strategy. Now is the time0 -
It's a medium. Not used. Still got packaging bag. Think it was about £65. Really annoying. I could probably wear it over my Rab jacket, lol.JamesSeed said:
eBay? Or maybe someone on here might buy it off you. What size is it?The Prince-e-Paul said:
My sister ordered me one with Dobson & 4 on the back. It is the wrong size. I rang club and was told that I needed to liaise with Castore. I contacted them over multiple emails only to be told that as it's been printed on the back they can't accept a refund or exchange. Shame as I am unlikely to wear it as too big.Gribbo said:
I ordered a kit for my nephew yesterday from the online shop, called the shop immediately after to try and intercept the dispatch and get his name and number printed on ghe back but the bloke I was speaking to said it gets sent direct from the Castore.Covered End said:Did anyone ask Jay Wyatt how TS is going to relocate us and sell the land when he doesn't own the land?
Also, would it be correct that Charlton can owe Castore for kits?
If Castore manufacture and sell the kits in their franchised shop, why would Charlton pay for any kits?
Maybe they do, I'm just asking the question.
(I see Sommerville Addick just said similar before me).
Not sure if that has any baring on whether the Club might owe Castore any money but, imo, it says quite a bit about the situation with the shop if its only stocking kit items and only enough for "walk in" purchasers0 - Sponsored links:
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No one has said he is skint. What is being said is he does not have the wealth to fund the losses of a EFL football club.Rob7Lee said:I don't believe he is skint. But just like RD he has realised this football lark is a lot harder than he imagined.
Therefore he's not prepared to continually pump cash into what is in essence a failing business (in that it loses money hand over fist), he also may be looking and thinking he doesn't want to spend most of his wealth on a football club.
One of his biggest mistakes is to believe he can be competitive and break even, the two just don't compute in this division. His option is to continually lose cash or increase income, he's chosen the latter without fully understanding it's impossible.
I honestly think I could do a better job than him on minimising the loses........
His best hope based on what I believe he wants is to be extremely clever in the transfer market, loans in particular and he'll also need some luck on players coming through. So far though he seems to be doing the opposite.
Our promotion season sets what he needs to do, 2 or 3 high level loans and getting in players of the Taylor Ilk on free's. We had a number of players that year who could and did go on to play at a higher level. Currently I don't see any of our players being capable of playing in the Championship.
lets say he has about £150 in assets like shares property then how many years can he afford to throw £6 to£8 away on a football club before he has squandered his wealth.0 -
With respect, if he has £150m in asset and has investsed it wisely he won't need to touch the capital if he needs 6-8m a year for Charlton.msomerton said:
No one has said he is skint. What is being said is he does not have the wealth to fund the losses of a EFL football club.Rob7Lee said:I don't believe he is skint. But just like RD he has realised this football lark is a lot harder than he imagined.
Therefore he's not prepared to continually pump cash into what is in essence a failing business (in that it loses money hand over fist), he also may be looking and thinking he doesn't want to spend most of his wealth on a football club.
One of his biggest mistakes is to believe he can be competitive and break even, the two just don't compute in this division. His option is to continually lose cash or increase income, he's chosen the latter without fully understanding it's impossible.
I honestly think I could do a better job than him on minimising the loses........
His best hope based on what I believe he wants is to be extremely clever in the transfer market, loans in particular and he'll also need some luck on players coming through. So far though he seems to be doing the opposite.
Our promotion season sets what he needs to do, 2 or 3 high level loans and getting in players of the Taylor Ilk on free's. We had a number of players that year who could and did go on to play at a higher level. Currently I don't see any of our players being capable of playing in the Championship.
lets say he has about £150 in assets like shares property then how many years can he afford to throw £6 to£8 away on a football club before he has squandered his wealth.
I believe it's more likely he doesn't want to, rather than can't, much the same as RD in the end.6 -
Except if he gets a return of £10 pounds on his assets, he will need to reinvest some, he will need to pay interest on whatever mortgage he has on his home or homes etc. so would you for example stop paying your mortgage to fund a ego project.Rob7Lee said:
With respect, if he has £150m in asset and has investsed it wisely he won't need to touch the capital if he needs 6-8m a year for Charlton.msomerton said:Rob7Lee said:I don't believe he is skint. But just like RD he has realised this football lark is a lot harder than he imagined.
Therefore he's not prepared to continually pump cash into what is in essence a failing business (in that it loses money hand over fist), he also may be looking and thinking he doesn't want to spend most of his wealth on a football club.
One of his biggest mistakes is to believe he can be competitive and break even, the two just don't compute in this division. His option is to continually lose cash or increase income, he's chosen the latter without fully understanding it's impossible.
I honestly think I could do a better job than him on minimising the loses........
His best hope based on what I believe he wants is to be extremely clever in the transfer market, loans in particular and he'll also need some luck on players coming through. So far though he seems to be doing the opposite.
Our promotion season sets what he needs to do, 2 or 3 high level loans and getting in players of the Taylor Ilk on free's. We had a number of players that year who could and did go on to play at a higher level. Currently I don't see any of our players being capable of playing in the Championship.
No one has said he is skint. What is being said is he does not have the wealth to fund the losses of a EFL football club.Rob7Lee said:I don't believe he is skint. But just like RD he has realised this football lark is a lot harder than he imagined.
Therefore he's not prepared to continually pump cash into what is in essence a failing business (in that it loses money hand over fist), he also may be looking and thinking he doesn't want to spend most of his wealth on a football club.
One of his biggest mistakes is to believe he can be competitive and break even, the two just don't compute in this division. His option is to continually lose cash or increase income, he's chosen the latter without fully understanding it's impossible.
I honestly think I could do a better job than him on minimising the loses........
His best hope based on what I believe he wants is to be extremely clever in the transfer market, loans in particular and he'll also need some luck on players coming through. So far though he seems to be doing the opposite.
Our promotion season sets what he needs to do, 2 or 3 high level loans and getting in players of the Taylor Ilk on free's. We had a number of players that year who could and did go on to play at a higher level. Currently I don't see any of our players being capable of playing in the Championship.
lets say he has about £150 in assets like shares property then how many years can he afford to throw £6 to£8 away on a football club before he has squandered his wealth.
I believe it's more likely he doesn't want to, rather than can't, much the same as RD in the end.
it all comes down to how much can you afford to spend before it drastically impinges on the rest of your lifestyle and business.0 -
With less money than RD as well to start with I would imagine. But it’s moot as they’ve gone down the same road. Both essentially wasted it through poor decision making.Rob7Lee said:
With respect, if he has £150m in asset and has investsed it wisely he won't need to touch the capital if he needs 6-8m a year for Charlton.msomerton said:
No one has said he is skint. What is being said is he does not have the wealth to fund the losses of a EFL football club.Rob7Lee said:I don't believe he is skint. But just like RD he has realised this football lark is a lot harder than he imagined.
Therefore he's not prepared to continually pump cash into what is in essence a failing business (in that it loses money hand over fist), he also may be looking and thinking he doesn't want to spend most of his wealth on a football club.
One of his biggest mistakes is to believe he can be competitive and break even, the two just don't compute in this division. His option is to continually lose cash or increase income, he's chosen the latter without fully understanding it's impossible.
I honestly think I could do a better job than him on minimising the loses........
His best hope based on what I believe he wants is to be extremely clever in the transfer market, loans in particular and he'll also need some luck on players coming through. So far though he seems to be doing the opposite.
Our promotion season sets what he needs to do, 2 or 3 high level loans and getting in players of the Taylor Ilk on free's. We had a number of players that year who could and did go on to play at a higher level. Currently I don't see any of our players being capable of playing in the Championship.
lets say he has about £150 in assets like shares property then how many years can he afford to throw £6 to£8 away on a football club before he has squandered his wealth.
I believe it's more likely he doesn't want to, rather than can't, much the same as RD in the end.Where I do feel for TS initially is the money he first put in on transfer fees. Mansfield, Lavelle, Kirk, Stockley, Schwartz (not sure if he insisted on that one though), and then to a lesser extent Aneke and Fraser, as by Jan this year, it was clear TS was part of the problem. It might have been different had we spent that initial money on better players than Mansfield, Stockley etc.
Some people may think Stockley is good enough, just playing in the wrong system, I’d say he’s at his level in league one and not of the class of Taylor or a Kermorgant. We needed better6 -
From recent rumours it may be Raelynn doing the funding.se9addick said:
Has Sandgaard “suddenly stopped”? I assume he’s still providing pretty significant funding or we would be heading towards administration now.MuttleyCAFC said:Something changed. In the beginning he was happy to spunk money on dubious spends, then suddenly he stopped. It is obvious that a big reason we missed out on a striker was we had to free up money elsewhere first but couldn't. It begs the question why we brought in so many midfielders if we knew it was spending all the budget. I would say it is either because Garner is an idiot or the budget changed. My money is on the latter.
Now I think Garner was not a disasterous appointment, but a big issue with it is he is less able to be openly critical in the same way as Adkins. It is about being more willing to toe the line. I know some will disagree with me but I don't think we are that far off with the squad. We could improve defensively but a decent striker for the level would make a significant difference to us. I think there are two issues, one I know, and the first is Sandgaard doesn't understand why. The other is whether Sandgaard has the money or indeed has decided not to spend. I don't know which of those applies.2 -
Great Post!Hartleypete said:We will not achieve anything until we get an owner who surrounds himself with proper football people, not arse lickers, bully boys and idiots.0 -
She must have serious money then.LargeAddick said:
From recent rumours it may be Raelynn doing the funding.se9addick said:
Has Sandgaard “suddenly stopped”? I assume he’s still providing pretty significant funding or we would be heading towards administration now.MuttleyCAFC said:Something changed. In the beginning he was happy to spunk money on dubious spends, then suddenly he stopped. It is obvious that a big reason we missed out on a striker was we had to free up money elsewhere first but couldn't. It begs the question why we brought in so many midfielders if we knew it was spending all the budget. I would say it is either because Garner is an idiot or the budget changed. My money is on the latter.
Now I think Garner was not a disasterous appointment, but a big issue with it is he is less able to be openly critical in the same way as Adkins. It is about being more willing to toe the line. I know some will disagree with me but I don't think we are that far off with the squad. We could improve defensively but a decent striker for the level would make a significant difference to us. I think there are two issues, one I know, and the first is Sandgaard doesn't understand why. The other is whether Sandgaard has the money or indeed has decided not to spend. I don't know which of those applies.0 -
Maybe for not much longer ....se9addick said:
She must have serious money then.LargeAddick said:
From recent rumours it may be Raelynn doing the funding.se9addick said:
Has Sandgaard “suddenly stopped”? I assume he’s still providing pretty significant funding or we would be heading towards administration now.MuttleyCAFC said:Something changed. In the beginning he was happy to spunk money on dubious spends, then suddenly he stopped. It is obvious that a big reason we missed out on a striker was we had to free up money elsewhere first but couldn't. It begs the question why we brought in so many midfielders if we knew it was spending all the budget. I would say it is either because Garner is an idiot or the budget changed. My money is on the latter.
Now I think Garner was not a disasterous appointment, but a big issue with it is he is less able to be openly critical in the same way as Adkins. It is about being more willing to toe the line. I know some will disagree with me but I don't think we are that far off with the squad. We could improve defensively but a decent striker for the level would make a significant difference to us. I think there are two issues, one I know, and the first is Sandgaard doesn't understand why. The other is whether Sandgaard has the money or indeed has decided not to spend. I don't know which of those applies.0 -
Doctor shacked up with huge producer of medical relief products.se9addick said:
She must have serious money then.LargeAddick said:
From recent rumours it may be Raelynn doing the funding.se9addick said:
Has Sandgaard “suddenly stopped”? I assume he’s still providing pretty significant funding or we would be heading towards administration now.MuttleyCAFC said:Something changed. In the beginning he was happy to spunk money on dubious spends, then suddenly he stopped. It is obvious that a big reason we missed out on a striker was we had to free up money elsewhere first but couldn't. It begs the question why we brought in so many midfielders if we knew it was spending all the budget. I would say it is either because Garner is an idiot or the budget changed. My money is on the latter.
Now I think Garner was not a disasterous appointment, but a big issue with it is he is less able to be openly critical in the same way as Adkins. It is about being more willing to toe the line. I know some will disagree with me but I don't think we are that far off with the squad. We could improve defensively but a decent striker for the level would make a significant difference to us. I think there are two issues, one I know, and the first is Sandgaard doesn't understand why. The other is whether Sandgaard has the money or indeed has decided not to spend. I don't know which of those applies.
If that's not a license to print money I don't know what is!0
