Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic vs Ipswich Town | Saturday 29th October 2022

seth plum said:

It was euphoric, but doesn’t alter the fact it was another two points dropped, leaving us twelve points behind target.
That means winning all home matches, and six away plus drawing the rest.
That remains my aspiration until we have played 23 games, then the target might have to be adjusted for a play off place.
Play offs being a lottery.

Can you stop this target nonsense now please

Leuth said:

Dave2l said:

Is it just a coincidence sasa Illic was interviewed by Minto and curbs before the game...mostly reflecting on the 98 triumph 

And the Ipswich game finished 4-4

I know, it's not too much of a coincidence and stranger things have happened,  but a 4-4 scoreline is very rare in any match that has ever been played!

Happened vs Rochdale, Millwall, West Ham in my time supporting us, probably some others. Rare yes but it does happen now and again

That west ham game was 20 years ago.

The Millwall one in the championship was 14 years in the past

Yeh it does happen but only once in a blue moon 

Levelling in the last minute is always great fun
That goes ten times over for Saturday
It'll be papering over many familiar cracks though.
Wollacott flapped ineptly at crosses and was beaten tamely from range.  His opposite number was even worse, proper pony, more on whom later.
Garner lined up with 5 at the back, Egbo and Clare all at sea with who was supposed to be where and doing what.
Stockley was completely isolated with nobody in red within 30 yards.  Kirk given his familiar hiding place on the left.
They pissed around with it relentlessly at the back inviting danger and Ipswich ever further up the pitch, we offered virtually nothing in the first half.
Egbo's injury was unfortunate but Garner throws Morgan on to the same role - what manner of insanity makes him think Morgan's got any of those tools?
Debutant Thomas up to this point looked alright.
Ipswich missed a sitter after defensive idiocy.
O'Connell's injury heaped insult upon injury.  Lavelle in theory at least a like for like replacement.  They still pissed around with it at the back, leading to the corner that led to Edmundson's unchallenged header, unless Wollacott's flappery is considered a challenge.
To his credit (!) Garner sent the team out 2nd half in a not stupid formation and we were occasionally on the front foot until the shameful referee intervened to award Ipswich a baffling free kick and the linesman ignores John-Jules being a metre offside.
Garner loses his shit and gets sent of for childish petulance.  No he mightn't have sworn or "been aggressive" but the clapping that got the 2nd yellow was juvenile.
The toddler tantrum up the touchline was risible.  The gesturing back at the officials will get him further sanction.  Seems he knows his audience tho cos the Covered End took up the cudgels and noisily berated the officials and any tractor boy who laid down or showed off.  Of course slating the ref never actually works, he's already decided to swing the game and us giving him dog's abuse just makes him worse.
Garner's dismissal proves the turning point.
A&Eke and CBT's introductions added pace and energy.  They couldn't fail to improve things after a classic Kirk shirk and Stocker's absence of service.
The atmosphere seemed to get to the Curbside lino, cos he totally ignored Chuks's blatant foul in felling the tractor boy en route to our first goal.  We were owed one but it was just as crap officialing as the rest.
Surprise surprise moving the ball forwards, running with it and trying a few crosses put Ipswich under pressure.  Red shirts actually in the box and blow me down we have chances, the shitty Ipswich goalie spills a couple and we've equalised.  Ben Garner please note, goalscoring requires attacking football.
14 minutes of action, 2 goals for the home side and A&Eke was done in, out on his feet.  How is that possible?  He barely registered again until the 95th minute.
Fraser by this time was also a passenger, barely nuisance value.  80 minutes on Tuesday and he's toast after 75 on Saturday, is not good.
Lavelle's not played much but how was he shagged out so early on?  50 minutes and his feet are lead, conceding Ipswich's 3rd as a result.
Fitness is a major issue for far too many
The one bloke who's hardly affected is the one bloke who's still giving it everything after 100 minutes.
Step forward the giant amongst men George Dobson.  He's even got enough going on to lob the (shitty) goalie, with his head, from 6 yards.
If Walton was slightly closer to being a capable goalie, Ipswich win that comfortably.  Charlton's 4 goals came from an aggregate of 10 yards and 2 of them he's directly at fault.

We're 17 games in to Garnerball.  It's mostly been dreary theory that's spluttered almost to mediocrity.  He had a 3 game experiment that brought goals and victories but reverted to the witless drudgery that gave away a game to the worst team in the division and then as good as handed a better team a win they should never have passed up.  The game and a point were saved by the abandonment of Garner's dimwittery. 

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Pelling1993 said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Pelling1993 said:

Scoham said:

https://twitter.com/birkirgudmundar/status/1586765355577651200?s=46&t=QFI76uzsc7mcn4mpC1mXvw

Absolute hero 

Hysterical...

I'm ever so sorry I found it funny. How can I make it up to you babes?

I was agreeing with you - it was funny...

Oh sorry the .... got me! 

golfaddick said:

kafka said:

Leuth said:

Dave2l said:

Is it just a coincidence sasa Illic was interviewed by Minto and curbs before the game...mostly reflecting on the 98 triumph 

And the Ipswich game finished 4-4

I know, it's not too much of a coincidence and stranger things have happened,  but a 4-4 scoreline is very rare in any match that has ever been played!

Happened vs Rochdale, Millwall, West Ham in my time supporting us, probably some others. Rare yes but it does happen now and again

Drew 5-5 with Bristol R and followed it up with a 5-4 win at Chesterfield!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSIXUuYon_w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYaFSZ90qSU

Dates say otherwise. 

Chesterfield in Oct
Rovers in Nov.

Thanks for that; you get my drift. Apologies my memory isn't quite what it was 43 years on

LargeAddick said:

Billy_Mix said:

Levelling in the last minute is always great fun
That goes ten times over for Saturday
It'll be papering over many familiar cracks though.
Wollacott flapped ineptly at crosses and was beaten tamely from range.  His opposite number was even worse, proper pony, more on whom later.
Garner lined up with 5 at the back, Egbo and Clare all at sea with who was supposed to be where and doing what.
Stockley was completely isolated with nobody in red within 30 yards.  Kirk given his familiar hiding place on the left.
They pissed around with it relentlessly at the back inviting danger and Ipswich ever further up the pitch, we offered virtually nothing in the first half.
Egbo's injury was unfortunate but Garner throws Morgan on to the same role - what manner of insanity makes him think Morgan's got any of those tools?
Debutant Thomas up to this point looked alright.
Ipswich missed a sitter after defensive idiocy.
O'Connell's injury heaped insult upon injury.  Lavelle in theory at least a like for like replacement.  They still pissed around with it at the back, leading to the corner that led to Edmundson's unchallenged header, unless Wollacott's flappery is considered a challenge.
To his credit (!) Garner sent the team out 2nd half in a not stupid formation and we were occasionally on the front foot until the shameful referee intervened to award Ipswich a baffling free kick and the linesman ignores John-Jules being a metre offside.
Garner loses his shit and gets sent of for childish petulance.  No he mightn't have sworn or "been aggressive" but the clapping that got the 2nd yellow was juvenile.
The toddler tantrum up the touchline was risible.  The gesturing back at the officials will get him further sanction.  Seems he knows his audience tho cos the Covered End took up the cudgels and noisily berated the officials and any tractor boy who laid down or showed off.  Of course slating the ref never actually works, he's already decided to swing the game and us giving him dog's abuse just makes him worse.
Garner's dismissal proves the turning point.
A&Eke and CBT's introductions added pace and energy.  They couldn't fail to improve things after a classic Kirk shirk and Stocker's absence of service.
The atmosphere seemed to get to the Curbside lino, cos he totally ignored Chuks's blatant foul in felling the tractor boy en route to our first goal.  We were owed one but it was just as crap officialing as the rest.
Surprise surprise moving the ball forwards, running with it and trying a few crosses put Ipswich under pressure.  Red shirts actually in the box and blow me down we have chances, the shitty Ipswich goalie spills a couple and we've equalised.  Ben Garner please note, goalscoring requires attacking football.
14 minutes of action, 2 goals for the home side and A&Eke was done in, out on his feet.  How is that possible?  He barely registered again until the 95th minute.
Fraser by this time was also a passenger, barely nuisance value.  80 minutes on Tuesday and he's toast after 75 on Saturday, is not good.
Lavelle's not played much but how was he shagged out so early on?  50 minutes and his feet are lead, conceding Ipswich's 3rd as a result.
Fitness is a major issue for far too many
The one bloke who's hardly affected is the one bloke who's still giving it everything after 100 minutes.
Step forward the giant amongst men George Dobson.  He's even got enough going on to lob the (shitty) goalie, with his head, from 6 yards.
If Walton was slightly closer to being a capable goalie, Ipswich win that comfortably.  Charlton's 4 goals came from an aggregate of 10 yards and 2 of them he's directly at fault.

We're 17 games in to Garnerball.  It's mostly been dreary theory that's spluttered almost to mediocrity.  He had a 3 game experiment that brought goals and victories but reverted to the witless drudgery that gave away a game to the worst team in the division and then as good as handed a better team a win they should never have passed up.  The game and a point were saved by the abandonment of Garner's dimwittery. 

I honestly don’t know where to start .......

I only got as far as Wollacott. "Tamely beaten from range" when one was drilled in and the other took a deflection. Didn't see any reason to read any further than that.

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

randy andy said:

LargeAddick said:

Billy_Mix said:

Levelling in the last minute is always great fun
That goes ten times over for Saturday
It'll be papering over many familiar cracks though.
Wollacott flapped ineptly at crosses and was beaten tamely from range.  His opposite number was even worse, proper pony, more on whom later.
Garner lined up with 5 at the back, Egbo and Clare all at sea with who was supposed to be where and doing what.
Stockley was completely isolated with nobody in red within 30 yards.  Kirk given his familiar hiding place on the left.
They pissed around with it relentlessly at the back inviting danger and Ipswich ever further up the pitch, we offered virtually nothing in the first half.
Egbo's injury was unfortunate but Garner throws Morgan on to the same role - what manner of insanity makes him think Morgan's got any of those tools?
Debutant Thomas up to this point looked alright.
Ipswich missed a sitter after defensive idiocy.
O'Connell's injury heaped insult upon injury.  Lavelle in theory at least a like for like replacement.  They still pissed around with it at the back, leading to the corner that led to Edmundson's unchallenged header, unless Wollacott's flappery is considered a challenge.
To his credit (!) Garner sent the team out 2nd half in a not stupid formation and we were occasionally on the front foot until the shameful referee intervened to award Ipswich a baffling free kick and the linesman ignores John-Jules being a metre offside.
Garner loses his shit and gets sent of for childish petulance.  No he mightn't have sworn or "been aggressive" but the clapping that got the 2nd yellow was juvenile.
The toddler tantrum up the touchline was risible.  The gesturing back at the officials will get him further sanction.  Seems he knows his audience tho cos the Covered End took up the cudgels and noisily berated the officials and any tractor boy who laid down or showed off.  Of course slating the ref never actually works, he's already decided to swing the game and us giving him dog's abuse just makes him worse.
Garner's dismissal proves the turning point.
A&Eke and CBT's introductions added pace and energy.  They couldn't fail to improve things after a classic Kirk shirk and Stocker's absence of service.
The atmosphere seemed to get to the Curbside lino, cos he totally ignored Chuks's blatant foul in felling the tractor boy en route to our first goal.  We were owed one but it was just as crap officialing as the rest.
Surprise surprise moving the ball forwards, running with it and trying a few crosses put Ipswich under pressure.  Red shirts actually in the box and blow me down we have chances, the shitty Ipswich goalie spills a couple and we've equalised.  Ben Garner please note, goalscoring requires attacking football.
14 minutes of action, 2 goals for the home side and A&Eke was done in, out on his feet.  How is that possible?  He barely registered again until the 95th minute.
Fraser by this time was also a passenger, barely nuisance value.  80 minutes on Tuesday and he's toast after 75 on Saturday, is not good.
Lavelle's not played much but how was he shagged out so early on?  50 minutes and his feet are lead, conceding Ipswich's 3rd as a result.
Fitness is a major issue for far too many
The one bloke who's hardly affected is the one bloke who's still giving it everything after 100 minutes.
Step forward the giant amongst men George Dobson.  He's even got enough going on to lob the (shitty) goalie, with his head, from 6 yards.
If Walton was slightly closer to being a capable goalie, Ipswich win that comfortably.  Charlton's 4 goals came from an aggregate of 10 yards and 2 of them he's directly at fault.

We're 17 games in to Garnerball.  It's mostly been dreary theory that's spluttered almost to mediocrity.  He had a 3 game experiment that brought goals and victories but reverted to the witless drudgery that gave away a game to the worst team in the division and then as good as handed a better team a win they should never have passed up.  The game and a point were saved by the abandonment of Garner's dimwittery. 

I honestly don’t know where to start .......

I only got as far as Wollacott. "Tamely beaten from range" when one was drilled in and the other took a deflection. Didn't see any reason to read any further than that.

Yeh, if we had scored their third goal we would be purring.
It was a Taylor/Yann type goal.\
Okay we could be a little critical of Lavelle, but credit the scorer for turning him beautifully and drilling a corker into the corner. No chance for the keeper.
The fourth, Wollacott was beaten by the deflection.

But the third wasn't into the corner about 5 foot from it, so I think he should have at least got a hand on it.

Billy_Mix said:

Levelling in the last minute is always great fun
That goes ten times over for Saturday
It'll be papering over many familiar cracks though.
Wollacott flapped ineptly at crosses and was beaten tamely from range.  His opposite number was even worse, proper pony, more on whom later.
Garner lined up with 5 at the back, Egbo and Clare all at sea with who was supposed to be where and doing what.
Stockley was completely isolated with nobody in red within 30 yards.  Kirk given his familiar hiding place on the left.
They pissed around with it relentlessly at the back inviting danger and Ipswich ever further up the pitch, we offered virtually nothing in the first half.
Egbo's injury was unfortunate but Garner throws Morgan on to the same role - what manner of insanity makes him think Morgan's got any of those tools?
Debutant Thomas up to this point looked alright.
Ipswich missed a sitter after defensive idiocy.
O'Connell's injury heaped insult upon injury.  Lavelle in theory at least a like for like replacement.  They still pissed around with it at the back, leading to the corner that led to Edmundson's unchallenged header, unless Wollacott's flappery is considered a challenge.
To his credit (!) Garner sent the team out 2nd half in a not stupid formation and we were occasionally on the front foot until the shameful referee intervened to award Ipswich a baffling free kick and the linesman ignores John-Jules being a metre offside.
Garner loses his shit and gets sent of for childish petulance.  No he mightn't have sworn or "been aggressive" but the clapping that got the 2nd yellow was juvenile.
The toddler tantrum up the touchline was risible.  The gesturing back at the officials will get him further sanction.  Seems he knows his audience tho cos the Covered End took up the cudgels and noisily berated the officials and any tractor boy who laid down or showed off.  Of course slating the ref never actually works, he's already decided to swing the game and us giving him dog's abuse just makes him worse.
Garner's dismissal proves the turning point.
A&Eke and CBT's introductions added pace and energy.  They couldn't fail to improve things after a classic Kirk shirk and Stocker's absence of service.
The atmosphere seemed to get to the Curbside lino, cos he totally ignored Chuks's blatant foul in felling the tractor boy en route to our first goal.  We were owed one but it was just as crap officialing as the rest.
Surprise surprise moving the ball forwards, running with it and trying a few crosses put Ipswich under pressure.  Red shirts actually in the box and blow me down we have chances, the shitty Ipswich goalie spills a couple and we've equalised.  Ben Garner please note, goalscoring requires attacking football.
14 minutes of action, 2 goals for the home side and A&Eke was done in, out on his feet.  How is that possible?  He barely registered again until the 95th minute.
Fraser by this time was also a passenger, barely nuisance value.  80 minutes on Tuesday and he's toast after 75 on Saturday, is not good.
Lavelle's not played much but how was he shagged out so early on?  50 minutes and his feet are lead, conceding Ipswich's 3rd as a result.
Fitness is a major issue for far too many
The one bloke who's hardly affected is the one bloke who's still giving it everything after 100 minutes.
Step forward the giant amongst men George Dobson.  He's even got enough going on to lob the (shitty) goalie, with his head, from 6 yards.
If Walton was slightly closer to being a capable goalie, Ipswich win that comfortably.  Charlton's 4 goals came from an aggregate of 10 yards and 2 of them he's directly at fault.

We're 17 games in to Garnerball.  It's mostly been dreary theory that's spluttered almost to mediocrity.  He had a 3 game experiment that brought goals and victories but reverted to the witless drudgery that gave away a game to the worst team in the division and then as good as handed a better team a win they should never have passed up.  The game and a point were saved by the abandonment of Garner's dimwittery. 

Your just a WUM aren't you? 

There is zero logic to anything you say and quite frankly, you are ridiculously irritating.

BenHaimandBikey said:

I am wracking my brains trying to think of other examples of unlikely finishes like that at the The Valley I've witnessed. I'm not sure anything comes close, but the two in my mind are:

Johnnie Jackson winner v QPR, doesn't need sharing really, but also...

Miguel Llera equaliser in 94th minute when we were down to nine men in the first half! v Swindon : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byPO-z_ryTU

Remember this game clearly. We were under the cosh for most of the second half and big Mig saved the day.

Typical dodgy Sodje sending off..

Bailey said:

A Derek Hales inspired comeback against a rampant and on the way to being promoted Wolves. 3-3 with future addicks John Pender and Johnny Humphrey in the Wolves side and if you thought we were bad in the first half on Saturday you should have witnessed the first half in that game, we stank. 

That really was a classic. We nearly won it too. Wolves went up that day, with the point they needed. The museum put the whole game up on YouTube a few months ago. 

Leuth said:

Dave2l said:

Is it just a coincidence sasa Illic was interviewed by Minto and curbs before the game...mostly reflecting on the 98 triumph 

And the Ipswich game finished 4-4

I know, it's not too much of a coincidence and stranger things have happened,  but a 4-4 scoreline is very rare in any match that has ever been played!

Happened vs Rochdale, Millwall, West Ham in my time supporting us, probably some others. Rare yes but it does happen now and again

First one I can recall was away to Burnley (1976?), 4-1 up, ended 4-4....wasn't there but was listening to Scoop Burrowes' updates on LBC which had a certain grim inevitability about them. Those days we won loads at home but maybe twice a year away. But...those home games were some of the best Charlton moments ever. 

Big William said:

Leuth said:

Dave2l said:

Is it just a coincidence sasa Illic was interviewed by Minto and curbs before the game...mostly reflecting on the 98 triumph 

And the Ipswich game finished 4-4

I know, it's not too much of a coincidence and stranger things have happened,  but a 4-4 scoreline is very rare in any match that has ever been played!

Happened vs Rochdale, Millwall, West Ham in my time supporting us, probably some others. Rare yes but it does happen now and again

First one I can recall was away to Burnley (1976?), 4-1 up, ended 4-4....wasn't there but was listening to Scoop Burrowes' updates on LBC which had a certain grim inevitability about them. Those days we won loads at home but maybe twice a year away. But...those home games were some of the best Charlton moments ever. 

Went to that and we nearly lost 5-4  … crazy game 

Billy_Mix said:

Levelling in the last minute is always great fun
That goes ten times over for Saturday
It'll be papering over many familiar cracks though.
Wollacott flapped ineptly at crosses and was beaten tamely from range.  His opposite number was even worse, proper pony, more on whom later.
Garner lined up with 5 at the back, Egbo and Clare all at sea with who was supposed to be where and doing what.
Stockley was completely isolated with nobody in red within 30 yards.  Kirk given his familiar hiding place on the left.
They pissed around with it relentlessly at the back inviting danger and Ipswich ever further up the pitch, we offered virtually nothing in the first half.
Egbo's injury was unfortunate but Garner throws Morgan on to the same role - what manner of insanity makes him think Morgan's got any of those tools?
Debutant Thomas up to this point looked alright.
Ipswich missed a sitter after defensive idiocy.
O'Connell's injury heaped insult upon injury.  Lavelle in theory at least a like for like replacement.  They still pissed around with it at the back, leading to the corner that led to Edmundson's unchallenged header, unless Wollacott's flappery is considered a challenge.
To his credit (!) Garner sent the team out 2nd half in a not stupid formation and we were occasionally on the front foot until the shameful referee intervened to award Ipswich a baffling free kick and the linesman ignores John-Jules being a metre offside.
Garner loses his shit and gets sent of for childish petulance.  No he mightn't have sworn or "been aggressive" but the clapping that got the 2nd yellow was juvenile.
The toddler tantrum up the touchline was risible.  The gesturing back at the officials will get him further sanction.  Seems he knows his audience tho cos the Covered End took up the cudgels and noisily berated the officials and any tractor boy who laid down or showed off.  Of course slating the ref never actually works, he's already decided to swing the game and us giving him dog's abuse just makes him worse.
Garner's dismissal proves the turning point.
A&Eke and CBT's introductions added pace and energy.  They couldn't fail to improve things after a classic Kirk shirk and Stocker's absence of service.
The atmosphere seemed to get to the Curbside lino, cos he totally ignored Chuks's blatant foul in felling the tractor boy en route to our first goal.  We were owed one but it was just as crap officialing as the rest.
Surprise surprise moving the ball forwards, running with it and trying a few crosses put Ipswich under pressure.  Red shirts actually in the box and blow me down we have chances, the shitty Ipswich goalie spills a couple and we've equalised.  Ben Garner please note, goalscoring requires attacking football.
14 minutes of action, 2 goals for the home side and A&Eke was done in, out on his feet.  How is that possible?  He barely registered again until the 95th minute.
Fraser by this time was also a passenger, barely nuisance value.  80 minutes on Tuesday and he's toast after 75 on Saturday, is not good.
Lavelle's not played much but how was he shagged out so early on?  50 minutes and his feet are lead, conceding Ipswich's 3rd as a result.
Fitness is a major issue for far too many
The one bloke who's hardly affected is the one bloke who's still giving it everything after 100 minutes.
Step forward the giant amongst men George Dobson.  He's even got enough going on to lob the (shitty) goalie, with his head, from 6 yards.
If Walton was slightly closer to being a capable goalie, Ipswich win that comfortably.  Charlton's 4 goals came from an aggregate of 10 yards and 2 of them he's directly at fault.

We're 17 games in to Garnerball.  It's mostly been dreary theory that's spluttered almost to mediocrity.  He had a 3 game experiment that brought goals and victories but reverted to the witless drudgery that gave away a game to the worst team in the division and then as good as handed a better team a win they should never have passed up.  The game and a point were saved by the abandonment of Garner's dimwittery. 

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