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Post-Match Thread: Charlton Athletic vs Bristol Rovers | Saturday 17th December 2022

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  • Ilovelondontown
    Ilovelondontown Posts: 292
    Cafc43v3r said:
    shirty5 said:
    8000 season ticket holders? I’m blaming streaming. Never seen the Valley so empty on a Saturday afternoon for a league game. 

    Forget energy bills increases. The same people found the extra tenner to watch that. Flush individuals

    That first 60 minutes was decent from us 

    Head up play the ball forward use the wide players. 

    When one individual is at fault for both of there goals, then that’s a manager killer.

    After Stockport that was ten times better bar one individual


    Not sure you can blame streaming, in fact I would question how many people paid to watch it, or even watched it for free.

    We are shit, awful to watch, the opposition aren't much better.  The day out with family or friends, I get, the habit, I get outside of that I really can't see why anyone would choose to watch it.
    I watched it on stream, im a season ticket holder, I just couldn’t be bothered to get of my arse in the cold to go and watch this dross, im going Wednesday in the hope it helps for something positive, 
    I hate feeling like this. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,635
    Ilovelondontown said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    shirty5 said:
    8000 season ticket holders? I’m blaming streaming. Never seen the Valley so empty on a Saturday afternoon for a league game. 

    Forget energy bills increases. The same people found the extra tenner to watch that. Flush individuals

    That first 60 minutes was decent from us 

    Head up play the ball forward use the wide players. 

    When one individual is at fault for both of there goals, then that’s a manager killer.

    After Stockport that was ten times better bar one individual


    Not sure you can blame streaming, in fact I would question how many people paid to watch it, or even watched it for free.

    We are shit, awful to watch, the opposition aren't much better.  The day out with family or friends, I get, the habit, I get outside of that I really can't see why anyone would choose to watch it.
    I watched it on stream, im a season ticket holder, I just couldn’t be bothered to get of my arse in the cold to go and watch this dross, im going Wednesday in the hope it helps for something positive, 
    I hate feeling like this. 
    Same.


  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    cazo said:
    40/1 to go down worth a score all day long 
    12-1 on Bet365 this morning.
  • meldrew66
    meldrew66 Posts: 2,562
    IdleHans said:
    Bob's lot offering 12/1 on relegation. With our forthcoming run of game's I am tempted. If only bet365s cash outs weren't so miserly...
    Skybet offering 14-1
  • KingKinsella
    KingKinsella Posts: 1,312
    JamesSeed said:
    esseffect said:
    Sad thing is I doubt Innis gives a sh*t
    Of course he does. That’s almost a career ending afternoon for him. Can’t see him staying in League One after the gaffs this season, and in particular this afternoon. No player wants to make an utter cnut of himself, and let the rest of the team down so badly. 
    Must be like Capt Oakes and Scott of the Antarctic in the dressing room . Body language from CAFC players not good when that 2nd went in.
     They didn't look like they believed they could get back into it, despite Ipswich being just a few weeks ago.
    We need  characters that can take one on the chin, and get off the floor, skill is only a part of it, but mental strength and physical effort as well.

    I bet they all care a lot when they are playing, but confidence makes such a massive difference to what you can achieve, and how you can cope with set backs. 

  • meldrew66
    meldrew66 Posts: 2,562
    edited December 2022
    Hartleypete said:
    we are doomed to league 2 football under Sandgard, the man’s a disaster. Surely it’s time to try and force a nil nil and relearn how to defend as a team and not make silly mistakes and drop Innis.
    The thought of this team ‘trying to force a nil nil’ sends shivers down my spine. Please, God, no! I’ve been around long enough to know that we can’t defend a 2-0 lead.
  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    mogodon said:

    You look at this league table and the clubs all around us and youre gut reaction is how much better we are than any of them and how we don't deserve to be down there with them.

    The reality kicks in and you realise that's exactly where we deserve to be at the moment.  Thanks Thomas.
    This already looks like League 2.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    edited December 2022
    JamesSeed said:
    If you’re forced to play Inniss surely you give him license to play the long ball out of defence if there’s even a hint of pressure. He’s a square peg in a round hole in a ‘Garnerball’ system. 
    It's not too much to ask a professional footballer at this level to be aware of other players and to execute a short pass - how low should our expectations be? Can't blame all his ineptitude on the 'system' we are playing.

    We've thrown two home games in a row away with comedic defending.

    The most disappointing thing yesterday was that we played well at times yet once again capitulated.

    Two points in our last six games along with the humiliating FA Cup defeat. Has to be a reaction at some stage? It was supposedly an easy run of fixtures apart from Ipswich.

    Losses MK Dons, Cheltenham, Bristol Rovers, Port Vale

    Daws Ipswich, Burton


  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    The biggest worry is we played our best 1st half since the Plymouth home game but this time only had 1 goal lead to show for the dominance and you just knew we would rue the misses, blocks and crosses that don't reach the target.

    The mistakes by Inniss which condemned Cafc to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory came after similar poor mistakes by Inniss which we got away with in the previous home match.
  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    edited December 2022
    SDAddick said:
    PeanutsMolloy said:
    How many times are we going to put a new man in charge and they are unaware and have to learn the hard way (hard particularly on paying Addicks fans) that:
    • STOCKLEY CANNOT PLAY AS A LONE TARGET MAN
    • OUR SQUAD OF PLAYERS IS NOT GOOD OR INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO PLAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN 4-4-2
    And, at the earliest opportunity can we please show Clare, Lavelle, Inniss, Fraser, Stockley and Kirk the exit?
    4-4-2 is no longer the default system and the only one players play growing up. Many of them will have grown up on 4-3-3. Kirk and Fraser probably need three in midfield and three up from to play their best. It's worth noting that we looked best playing 4-3-3. The problem is not having a striker who can start who suits the 4-3-3.

    Stockley was very good in the very 30 minutes. Taking him off to go two up top when both Leaburn and Aneke can play up front on their own and are more mobile than Stockley is baffling. 
    Stockley won nothing and had no efforts on goal (he rolled a back-pass at their keeper from 20 yards early on) in the whole hour he was on. He didn't find any space when Payne and Rak-Sakyi were going at them in the opening half an hour. All he did was wrestle with their centre-halves and concede free-kicks.
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  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,265
    Whatever happens from now to the end of season, it's clear that there are players who need to be moved out of the football club. This is not because they do not have ability but more so because they simply have a negative effect on the team. I have defended Stockley over the system he is being forced to play in and his lack of a strike partner but the recent sending off and his behaviour yesterday tells me something is seriously wrong with his attitude, he needs to go. Innis, just look at his body language after conceding those goals yesterday, it was 'oh well these things happen' sort of attitude, we've seen it before with his sending's off and bookings, he has a maverick attitude and must be moved on. Chuks Aneke, imagine being a player who puts his shift in every week, in training and on the pitch, and you have have a player in the squad who almost certainly is on more money that you and has to be wrapped in cotton wool throughout the week and then can only manage twenty minutes on a matchday. We need to look at other clubs and see if one of their top earners can only manage twenty minutes with a three year contract as a reward. Whoever and whenever the takeover is finalised,it's not just about players coming in, it's about moving these players out. 
  • Hartleypete
    Hartleypete Posts: 4,699
    Ilovelondontown said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    shirty5 said:
    8000 season ticket holders? I’m blaming streaming. Never seen the Valley so empty on a Saturday afternoon for a league game. 

    Forget energy bills increases. The same people found the extra tenner to watch that. Flush individuals

    That first 60 minutes was decent from us 

    Head up play the ball forward use the wide players. 

    When one individual is at fault for both of there goals, then that’s a manager killer.

    After Stockport that was ten times better bar one individual


    Not sure you can blame streaming, in fact I would question how many people paid to watch it, or even watched it for free.

    We are shit, awful to watch, the opposition aren't much better.  The day out with family or friends, I get, the habit, I get outside of that I really can't see why anyone would choose to watch it.
    I watched it on stream, im a season ticket holder, I just couldn’t be bothered to get of my arse in the cold to go and watch this dross, im going Wednesday in the hope it helps for something positive, 
    I hate feeling like this. 
    Exactly the same here, as a club we are lost.
  • HandG
    HandG Posts: 2,134
    Bailey said:
    Whatever happens from now to the end of season, it's clear that there are players who need to be moved out of the football club. This is not because they do not have ability but more so because they simply have a negative effect on the team. I have defended Stockley over the system he is being forced to play in and his lack of a strike partner but the recent sending off and his behaviour yesterday tells me something is seriously wrong with his attitude, he needs to go. Innis, just look at his body language after conceding those goals yesterday, it was 'oh well these things happen' sort of attitude, we've seen it before with his sending's off and bookings, he has a maverick attitude and must be moved on. Chuks Aneke, imagine being a player who puts his shift in every week, in training and on the pitch, and you have have a player in the squad who almost certainly is on more money that you and has to be wrapped in cotton wool throughout the week and then can only manage twenty minutes on a matchday. We need to look at other clubs and see if one of their top earners can only manage twenty minutes with a three year contract as a reward. Whoever and whenever the takeover is finalised,it's not just about players coming in, it's about moving these players out. 
    Chuks looks finished to me. His last few cameos, come to think of it, most of his cameos this season, have been embarrassing. He isn’t winning headers, he seems to have lost a yard of pace and isn’t outmuscling defenders like he used to.

    I can see a mutual agreement on terminating his contract at the end of the season. 

  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,907
    edited December 2022
    Opening half hour was good but a lack of a goalscorer or 2 and wingers with end product cost us from wrapping the game up in that period. Then the mismanagement of the game began. By 55 minutes i was screaming for payne and rak saki to come off - they were no longer useful and we stopped threatening. Swop payne for Aneke and Leaburn for rak saki and we would have gone on to win that game. The changes were too late and wrong. Marquis -  a striker who i said we should have signed (more mobile and more nouse, workrate and ability than stockley) came on and they went for it because they could as we were sitting ducks at that stage regardless of innis implosion - here's hoping for a swift Ts exit and a quick turnaround in fortunes 
  • Tunwellsaddick
    Tunwellsaddick Posts: 2,452
    Stockley has been out of form all season and is not a good captain imo. He offers nothing anymore and struggles in every game. Inniss cannot play with his feet and is frightening to watch every time he receives a pass in front of goal. We cannot afford to carry two players every game when we are staring at relegation. Aneke is too fragile and can only give us 20 minutes. 
    Play Hammond for Inniss (until O`Connell returns) and Leburn for Stockley. Give the armband to Dobo.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,907
    JamesSeed said:
    If you’re forced to play Inniss surely you give him license to play the long ball out of defence if there’s even a hint of pressure. He’s a square peg in a round hole in a ‘Garnerball’ system. 
    he tried that for their second goal 
  • Lewis Coaches
    Lewis Coaches Posts: 5,409
    shirty5 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    shirty5 said:
    8000 season ticket holders? I’m blaming streaming. Never seen the Valley so empty on a Saturday afternoon for a league game. 

    Forget energy bills increases. The same people found the extra tenner to watch that. Flush individuals

    That first 60 minutes was decent from us 

    Head up play the ball forward use the wide players. 

    When one individual is at fault for both of there goals, then that’s a manager killer.

    After Stockport that was ten times better bar one individual


    Not sure you can blame streaming, in fact I would question how many people paid to watch it, or even watched it for free.

    We are shit, awful to watch, the opposition aren't much better.  The day out with family or friends, I get, the habit, I get outside of that I really can't see why anyone would choose to watch it.
    Streaming is part of the issue not just with us but all other clubs in League one and Two. It’s a slowly but surely part of clubs fading away.

    I got taken to football in the early 80’s by my patents. Being on the Big Match or Match of the Day was a one off. You had to be there to see it. It gets in your blood. Regardless of how crap it can be. But you come back, you want more or it and one day you tags your kids and they take their kids and it rolls on from there.

    You don’t get that from a sofa 
    So right we’ll said , you just have to be at. Match.
    As Shirty5 and his brother know an away day out with Charlton is a day out full stop.

    Family that is football is for life no matter what.

    I will always put a match live before a steam have never done the Charlton TV thing.
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    If you look at our back 4, it's missing the basics. Clare should be going out wide (like Egbo does) most times he goes inside. We can't pass out wide to a left footed full back and we have CBs who've only played RCB and are awful with the ball. 
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,491
    Cardinal Sin said:
    SDAddick said:
    PeanutsMolloy said:
    How many times are we going to put a new man in charge and they are unaware and have to learn the hard way (hard particularly on paying Addicks fans) that:
    • STOCKLEY CANNOT PLAY AS A LONE TARGET MAN
    • OUR SQUAD OF PLAYERS IS NOT GOOD OR INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO PLAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN 4-4-2
    And, at the earliest opportunity can we please show Clare, Lavelle, Inniss, Fraser, Stockley and Kirk the exit?
    4-4-2 is no longer the default system and the only one players play growing up. Many of them will have grown up on 4-3-3. Kirk and Fraser probably need three in midfield and three up from to play their best. It's worth noting that we looked best playing 4-3-3. The problem is not having a striker who can start who suits the 4-3-3.

    Stockley was very good in the very 30 minutes. Taking him off to go two up top when both Leaburn and Aneke can play up front on their own and are more mobile than Stockley is baffling. 
    Stockley won nothing and had no efforts on goal (he rolled a back-pass at their keeper from 20 yards early on) in the whole hour he was on. He didn't find any space when Payne and Rak-Sakyi were going at them in the opening half an hour. All he did was wrestle with their centre-halves and concede free-kicks.
    I don't like Stockley but in fairness this isn't true. He had the volley where the keeper clattered into the post and Inniss' header almost certainly doesn't go in without his movement putting off the defender. 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,552
    edited December 2022
    Talal said:
    Cardinal Sin said:
    SDAddick said:
    PeanutsMolloy said:
    How many times are we going to put a new man in charge and they are unaware and have to learn the hard way (hard particularly on paying Addicks fans) that:
    • STOCKLEY CANNOT PLAY AS A LONE TARGET MAN
    • OUR SQUAD OF PLAYERS IS NOT GOOD OR INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO PLAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN 4-4-2
    And, at the earliest opportunity can we please show Clare, Lavelle, Inniss, Fraser, Stockley and Kirk the exit?
    4-4-2 is no longer the default system and the only one players play growing up. Many of them will have grown up on 4-3-3. Kirk and Fraser probably need three in midfield and three up from to play their best. It's worth noting that we looked best playing 4-3-3. The problem is not having a striker who can start who suits the 4-3-3.

    Stockley was very good in the very 30 minutes. Taking him off to go two up top when both Leaburn and Aneke can play up front on their own and are more mobile than Stockley is baffling. 
    Stockley won nothing and had no efforts on goal (he rolled a back-pass at their keeper from 20 yards early on) in the whole hour he was on. He didn't find any space when Payne and Rak-Sakyi were going at them in the opening half an hour. All he did was wrestle with their centre-halves and concede free-kicks.
    I don't like Stockley but in fairness this isn't true. He had the volley where the keeper clattered into the post and Inniss' header almost certainly doesn't go in without his movement putting off the defender. 

     He was trying to head the ball, missed it altogether  and inadvertently put off the keeper, thats about it...be putting it down as an assist next!!..🤷‍♂️
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  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,265
    HandG said:
    Bailey said:
    Whatever happens from now to the end of season, it's clear that there are players who need to be moved out of the football club. This is not because they do not have ability but more so because they simply have a negative effect on the team. I have defended Stockley over the system he is being forced to play in and his lack of a strike partner but the recent sending off and his behaviour yesterday tells me something is seriously wrong with his attitude, he needs to go. Innis, just look at his body language after conceding those goals yesterday, it was 'oh well these things happen' sort of attitude, we've seen it before with his sending's off and bookings, he has a maverick attitude and must be moved on. Chuks Aneke, imagine being a player who puts his shift in every week, in training and on the pitch, and you have have a player in the squad who almost certainly is on more money that you and has to be wrapped in cotton wool throughout the week and then can only manage twenty minutes on a matchday. We need to look at other clubs and see if one of their top earners can only manage twenty minutes with a three year contract as a reward. Whoever and whenever the takeover is finalised,it's not just about players coming in, it's about moving these players out. 
    Chuks looks finished to me. His last few cameos, come to think of it, most of his cameos this season, have been embarrassing. He isn’t winning headers, he seems to have lost a yard of pace and isn’t outmuscling defenders like he used to.

    I can see a mutual agreement on terminating his contract at the end of the season. 

    One thing I failed to mention, is along with Forster Caskey, they are probably the highest earners in the squad, I will happily stand corrected if that's not the case. 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,155
    No need to go to Panto , it’s behind you you Cnut 

  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,491
    eastterrace6168 said:
    Talal said:
    Cardinal Sin said:
    SDAddick said:
    PeanutsMolloy said:
    How many times are we going to put a new man in charge and they are unaware and have to learn the hard way (hard particularly on paying Addicks fans) that:
    • STOCKLEY CANNOT PLAY AS A LONE TARGET MAN
    • OUR SQUAD OF PLAYERS IS NOT GOOD OR INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO PLAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN 4-4-2
    And, at the earliest opportunity can we please show Clare, Lavelle, Inniss, Fraser, Stockley and Kirk the exit?
    4-4-2 is no longer the default system and the only one players play growing up. Many of them will have grown up on 4-3-3. Kirk and Fraser probably need three in midfield and three up from to play their best. It's worth noting that we looked best playing 4-3-3. The problem is not having a striker who can start who suits the 4-3-3.

    Stockley was very good in the very 30 minutes. Taking him off to go two up top when both Leaburn and Aneke can play up front on their own and are more mobile than Stockley is baffling. 
    Stockley won nothing and had no efforts on goal (he rolled a back-pass at their keeper from 20 yards early on) in the whole hour he was on. He didn't find any space when Payne and Rak-Sakyi were going at them in the opening half an hour. All he did was wrestle with their centre-halves and concede free-kicks.
    I don't like Stockley but in fairness this isn't true. He had the volley where the keeper clattered into the post and Inniss' header almost certainly doesn't go in without his movement putting off the defender. 

     He was trying to head the ball, missed it altogether  and inadvertently put off the keeper, thats about it...be putting it down as an assist next!!..🤷‍♂️
    I'd have to see it again to see if he missed it or couldn't reach but the point still stands, without him in that position we don't score. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,345
    What's with all the brown nosing of Marquis before playing us he had P13, GS2, A3

    Our problem was in defence yet again. We had good opportunities to score but their keeper made some phenomenal saves. 


  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Were there any post match interviews with Anthony Hayes?
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,907
    Dazzler21 said:
    What's with all the brown nosing of Marquis before playing us he had P13, GS2, A3

    Our problem was in defence yet again. We had good opportunities to score but their keeper made some phenomenal saves. 


    inability to kill off a game due to our inability to score due to playing a target man up front on his own - another genius coach repeats the same mistake 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,552
    edited December 2022
    seth plum said:
    Were there any post match interviews with Anthony Hayes?
    There was an interview on CATV, but failed to watch it in full as nothing meaningful was evident...mind you what could he say..."first half was good, second half was crap"... ;)
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited December 2022
    It's like watching a Hollywood movie where a bunch of misfits with bad attitudes have been gathered together into the league's biggest joke of a team. And what it needs is a cowboy manager to ride into town and turn them around in a montage of unorthodox training sessions and some breakthrough team bonding moments. 

    I honestly wouldn't be surprised if pictures were released of a Sparrows Lane passing drill where some of this lot had fags hanging out of their mouths and others were in the background carousing with hired women.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    eastterrace6168 said:
    seth plum said:
    Were there any post match interviews with Anthony Hayes?
    There was an interview on CATV, but failed to watch it in full as nothing meaningful was evident...mind you what could he say..."first half was good, second half was crap"... ;)
    Thank you.
    I was actually there so missed it.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,320
    Chunes said:
    It's like watching a Hollywood movie where a bunch of misfits with bad attitudes have been gathered together into the league's biggest joke of a team. And what it needs is a cowboy manager to ride into town and turn them around in a montage of unorthodox training sessions and some breakthrough team bonding moments. 

    I honestly wouldn't be surprised if pictures were released of a Sparrows Lane passing drill where some of this lot had fags hanging out of their mouths and others were in the background carousing with hired women.
    Go through them individually and it's baffling though - they should be better than this but they're just so feeble together. That said, there are issues with application and attitude in some crucial parts of the pitch.

    Just the mental side of the game, for yesterday's lot, as far as I can tell:

    AMB - nothing amiss here
    Clare - could stand to pass it forward more and seems afraid to attack, otherwise very committed
    Inniss - okay, he has a screw loose, we all know this - he might freeze or go in far too hard - but he's always given 100% and isn't shy of the tough stuff
    Lavelle - I would argue he's much more of a weak link mentally than Inniss. He just doesn't challenge. There was one in the first couple of minutes yesterday when I was pleasantly surprised, but after that he just backed away and let them have it
    Sessegnon - elite mentality, wish he could last 90 more
    Dobson - will never, ever stop, holds it all together
    Fraser - has pleasantly surprised me with how much he's willing to get stuck in. Not just a fancy player. He just doesn't quite have the fitness for 90 (this is a theme)
    JRS - doesn't always take the right option. Because he's a teenager.
    CBT - hmm. Really doesn't always take the right option, and doesn't have JRS' excuse. But doesn't seem to shirk
    Payne - keep him in the XI. Utterly, utterly committed at all times. 
    Stockley -  okay here's where the issues really take hold. Seems to be protecting himself. Seems to be playing within himself. And there wasn't so much there (heading aside) in the first place. Moans. Has fucked us this season, and it's obvious to everyone. One of the major problems
    Aneke - another serious problem, alas. Last few games he's looked like he's protecting himself, hasn't been involved much. We all know what he can do, but if he's not even doing it in his 30 minutes...
    Leaburn - nothing amiss here
    Morgan - honestly, his mentality isn't the issue. If anything he tries too hard sometimes
    Chin - nothing wrong with his mentality. He's a bit flimsy and won't scare anyone, but he's committed
    Kirk - well, there's a reason he keeps getting dropped, isn't there

    So, the attitude problems, as far as I see it, are mostly concentrated on our forward line. However, there are smaller issues all over the rest of the side, and it adds up. Together, it makes us weak. Our central midfield can't drag us out of the shit every time

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