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India on The Moon
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I can only assume those saying “but the UK has poor people too” have never actually been to India and witnessed what true poverty looks like.2
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I think it's quite sweet that a number of newspapers are of the opinion that a forward-thinking, advanced, cutting-edge, dynamic, rich, fast-growing country would give two hoots what people in northern Europe think about their exploits. Especially a country that has yet to reach the moon.0
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Yes. If only they divided that $75m between the 1.2 bn people there, every indian could have had half a penny.Hal1x said:
we have funded a care system and whilst we have poverty there is a basic level of support. If we then have a space programme whoopy do. I would suggest our priorities are in order.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Not following the logic there, sorryHal1x said:
The UK has a national health service, state pension schemes and a benefit system?, does India. I dont think the two systems compare.Siv_in_Norfolk said:UK has a space program. UK has poverty.
India has a space program. India has poverty.
I assume those knocking the latter are also uncomfortable with the former? Not just Johnny foreigner bashing, right?
Personally, I'm not sure what I think. When it comes to potentially extending the existence of our species the cost/benefit calculator is complicated.
If India doesn't have these things in place, perhaps the money should be directed to raising the lot of their population rather than on vanity projects.3 -
One small step for naan, one giant leap for naan kind….blackpool72 said:
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Sorry but that's very misleading.Jints said:As for whether the INidian government should invest in a space programme when there is so much poverty in India (though huge strides ave been made in poverty reduction - down from 55% of the poplation in 2007 to 18% in 2022), that's up to them, surely. If the voters don't like it, then they can elect a Gvernment with different priorities. As far as I could see form the news, it seems to have given the nation a huge boost in morale and pride which I guess will grow the economy by far more than the tiny cost of this mission - $75 million.
Yep, $75 million. That's what you are complaining about.
In 2020 1.3 trillion rupees was spent on the space sector.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1220036/india-public-expenditure-on-space-sector/
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Great, so it hasn't pointlessly added to climate change then. I'll turn my radiators down tomorrow to make up for it, just in caseChizz said:
Most of the journey to the moon is, famously, outside our environment.Gribbo said:Anyone know what sized carbon footprint this project left on the environment?
Was the spaceship ULEZ compliant?0 -
Have there been any space expeditions - or, in fact, any expedition, over land or sea - by a nation that doesn't also have some poverty?1
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ONLY 45% OF YOUR £9.2 BILLION RING FENCED AID BUDGET GETS THROUGH TO THE STARVING PEOPLE
55% ENDS UP BEING MANIPULATED BY CORRUPT DICTATORS FOR EITHER PERSONAL/FAMILY USE OR POLITICAL CONTROL OF FOOD AID THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO STARVING CHILDREN.
DFID ARE NOT ABLE TO STOP THE ROT BUT THEY DO LIKE SENDING DELEGATIONS OF CIVIL SERVANTS TO STAY IN 5 STAR Hotels
I bet more then few MPs have had a nice little bung it's how they get away with it2 -
We were talking about this particular mission (to land a probe on the moon). That his reported in multiple places as being $75m.MrWalker said:
Sorry but that's very misleading.Jints said:As for whether the INidian government should invest in a space programme when there is so much poverty in India (though huge strides ave been made in poverty reduction - down from 55% of the poplation in 2007 to 18% in 2022), that's up to them, surely. If the voters don't like it, then they can elect a Gvernment with different priorities. As far as I could see form the news, it seems to have given the nation a huge boost in morale and pride which I guess will grow the economy by far more than the tiny cost of this mission - $75 million.
Yep, $75 million. That's what you are complaining about.
In 2020 1.3 trillion rupees was spent on the space sector.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1220036/india-public-expenditure-on-space-sector/
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None of the aid goes through the Inidian Government. Much as I dislike Modi, he certainly isn't a dictator nor is he apparently corrupt.Wellred said:ONLY 45% OF YOUR £9.2 BILLION RING FENCED AID BUDGET GETS THROUGH TO THE STARVING PEOPLE
55% ENDS UP BEING MANIPULATED BY CORRUPT DICTATORS FOR EITHER PERSONAL/FAMILY USE OR POLITICAL CONTROL OF FOOD AID THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO STARVING CHILDREN.
DFID ARE NOT ABLE TO STOP THE ROT BUT THEY DO LIKE SENDING DELEGATIONS OF CIVIL SERVANTS TO STAY IN 5 STAR Hotels
I bet more then few MPs have had a nice little bung it's how they get away with it
And DFID does not exist.
Christ, the level of pig igorance in this thread.2 -
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Yes, but unfortunately not the bit where thousands of litres of rocket fuel got burnt to get the thing off the ground. Pretty sure that happened here.Chizz said:
Most of the journey to the moon is, famously, outside our environment.Gribbo said:Anyone know what sized carbon footprint this project left on the environment?
Was the spaceship ULEZ compliant?1 -
Yes, but every country has alarming levels of poverty and a massively oppressive societal system in place.Off_it said:
Yes, but unfortunately not the bit where thousands of litres of rocket fuel got burnt to get the thing off the ground. Pretty sure that happened here.Chizz said:
Most of the journey to the moon is, famously, outside our environment.Gribbo said:Anyone know what sized carbon footprint this project left on the environment?
Was the spaceship ULEZ compliant?
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Think I get it now - there's a line/level of poverty alleviation somewhere which a nation would need to reach to be able to justify a space program. That about it? I'm not sure where I'd draw the line, or how India would be doing at meeting it. Fair play if you feel like you can/do.Hal1x said:
we have funded a care system and whilst we have poverty there is a basic level of support. If we then have a space programme whoopy do. I would suggest our priorities are in order.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Not following the logic there, sorryHal1x said:
The UK has a national health service, state pension schemes and a benefit system?, does India. I dont think the two systems compare.Siv_in_Norfolk said:UK has a space program. UK has poverty.
India has a space program. India has poverty.
I assume those knocking the latter are also uncomfortable with the former? Not just Johnny foreigner bashing, right?
Personally, I'm not sure what I think. When it comes to potentially extending the existence of our species the cost/benefit calculator is complicated.
If India doesn't have these things in place, perhaps the money should be directed to raising the lot of their population rather than on vanity projects.
And it's deffo not "other-bashing" or hypocrisy that drives those complaining in the thread, right?0 -
Anybody ever seen pictures of the tent communities in rich American cities, and know the numbers of the millions of Americans without adequate health care?
America is regularly pushing at the boundaries of space science.3 -
Surely its a valid question?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Think I get it now - there's a line/level of poverty alleviation somewhere which a nation would need to reach to be able to justify a space program. That about it? I'm not sure where I'd draw the line, or how India would be doing at meeting it. Fair play if you feel like you can/do.Hal1x said:
we have funded a care system and whilst we have poverty there is a basic level of support. If we then have a space programme whoopy do. I would suggest our priorities are in order.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Not following the logic there, sorryHal1x said:
The UK has a national health service, state pension schemes and a benefit system?, does India. I dont think the two systems compare.Siv_in_Norfolk said:UK has a space program. UK has poverty.
India has a space program. India has poverty.
I assume those knocking the latter are also uncomfortable with the former? Not just Johnny foreigner bashing, right?
Personally, I'm not sure what I think. When it comes to potentially extending the existence of our species the cost/benefit calculator is complicated.
If India doesn't have these things in place, perhaps the money should be directed to raising the lot of their population rather than on vanity projects.
And it's deffo not "other-bashing" or hypocrisy that drives those complaining in the thread, right?
Does a country that spends billions a year on its space sector need to receive $2.5 billion in aid?
Surely that $2.5 billion a year would be better spent in Benin, Burundi or Sierra Leone?0 -
Surely you can think space programmes aren't exactly top of the "must do" list without there being a subtext of racism?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Think I get it now - there's a line/level of poverty alleviation somewhere which a nation would need to reach to be able to justify a space program. That about it? I'm not sure where I'd draw the line, or how India would be doing at meeting it. Fair play if you feel like you can/do.Hal1x said:
we have funded a care system and whilst we have poverty there is a basic level of support. If we then have a space programme whoopy do. I would suggest our priorities are in order.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Not following the logic there, sorryHal1x said:
The UK has a national health service, state pension schemes and a benefit system?, does India. I dont think the two systems compare.Siv_in_Norfolk said:UK has a space program. UK has poverty.
India has a space program. India has poverty.
I assume those knocking the latter are also uncomfortable with the former? Not just Johnny foreigner bashing, right?
Personally, I'm not sure what I think. When it comes to potentially extending the existence of our species the cost/benefit calculator is complicated.
If India doesn't have these things in place, perhaps the money should be directed to raising the lot of their population rather than on vanity projects.
And it's deffo not "other-bashing" or hypocrisy that drives those complaining in the thread, right?
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So the USA shouldn't be spending zillions either then. What's your point?seth plum said:Anybody ever seen pictures of the tent communities in rich American cities, and know the numbers of the millions of Americans without adequate health care.
America is regularly pushing at the boundaries of space science.0 -
Great achievement and hopefully it can spur other countries on to more space exploration as well.0
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America doesn't have a fully funded care system and still has poverty. Shall we shut down NASA?Hal1x said:
we have funded a care system and whilst we have poverty there is a basic level of support. If we then have a space programme whoopy do. I would suggest our priorities are in order.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Not following the logic there, sorryHal1x said:
The UK has a national health service, state pension schemes and a benefit system?, does India. I dont think the two systems compare.Siv_in_Norfolk said:UK has a space program. UK has poverty.
India has a space program. India has poverty.
I assume those knocking the latter are also uncomfortable with the former? Not just Johnny foreigner bashing, right?
Personally, I'm not sure what I think. When it comes to potentially extending the existence of our species the cost/benefit calculator is complicated.
If India doesn't have these things in place, perhaps the money should be directed to raising the lot of their population rather than on vanity projects.1 -
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People don't realise you can attempt poverty reduction AND other things at the same time. Who knew?3
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It's like a 6th sense, whenever someone is saying bad things about another country, or good things about this one, they will feel it, and they will be sure to add their predictable and repetitive views.Off_it said:
Surely you can think space programmes aren't exactly top of the "must do" list without there being a subtext of racism?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Think I get it now - there's a line/level of poverty alleviation somewhere which a nation would need to reach to be able to justify a space program. That about it? I'm not sure where I'd draw the line, or how India would be doing at meeting it. Fair play if you feel like you can/do.Hal1x said:
we have funded a care system and whilst we have poverty there is a basic level of support. If we then have a space programme whoopy do. I would suggest our priorities are in order.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Not following the logic there, sorryHal1x said:
The UK has a national health service, state pension schemes and a benefit system?, does India. I dont think the two systems compare.Siv_in_Norfolk said:UK has a space program. UK has poverty.
India has a space program. India has poverty.
I assume those knocking the latter are also uncomfortable with the former? Not just Johnny foreigner bashing, right?
Personally, I'm not sure what I think. When it comes to potentially extending the existence of our species the cost/benefit calculator is complicated.
If India doesn't have these things in place, perhaps the money should be directed to raising the lot of their population rather than on vanity projects.
And it's deffo not "other-bashing" or hypocrisy that drives those complaining in the thread, right?5 -
I think the aid question is separate to this discussion and has been addressed in other posts.MrWalker said:
Surely its a valid question?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Think I get it now - there's a line/level of poverty alleviation somewhere which a nation would need to reach to be able to justify a space program. That about it? I'm not sure where I'd draw the line, or how India would be doing at meeting it. Fair play if you feel like you can/do.Hal1x said:
we have funded a care system and whilst we have poverty there is a basic level of support. If we then have a space programme whoopy do. I would suggest our priorities are in order.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Not following the logic there, sorryHal1x said:
The UK has a national health service, state pension schemes and a benefit system?, does India. I dont think the two systems compare.Siv_in_Norfolk said:UK has a space program. UK has poverty.
India has a space program. India has poverty.
I assume those knocking the latter are also uncomfortable with the former? Not just Johnny foreigner bashing, right?
Personally, I'm not sure what I think. When it comes to potentially extending the existence of our species the cost/benefit calculator is complicated.
If India doesn't have these things in place, perhaps the money should be directed to raising the lot of their population rather than on vanity projects.
And it's deffo not "other-bashing" or hypocrisy that drives those complaining in the thread, right?
Does a country that spends billions a year on its space sector need to receive $2.5 billion in aid?
Surely that $2.5 billion a year would be better spent in Benin, Burundi or Sierra Leone?0 -
Yep, entirely possible. In fact, it's a possible position that I hold.Off_it said:
Surely you can think space programmes aren't exactly top of the "must do" list without there being a subtext of racism?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Think I get it now - there's a line/level of poverty alleviation somewhere which a nation would need to reach to be able to justify a space program. That about it? I'm not sure where I'd draw the line, or how India would be doing at meeting it. Fair play if you feel like you can/do.Hal1x said:
we have funded a care system and whilst we have poverty there is a basic level of support. If we then have a space programme whoopy do. I would suggest our priorities are in order.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Not following the logic there, sorryHal1x said:
The UK has a national health service, state pension schemes and a benefit system?, does India. I dont think the two systems compare.Siv_in_Norfolk said:UK has a space program. UK has poverty.
India has a space program. India has poverty.
I assume those knocking the latter are also uncomfortable with the former? Not just Johnny foreigner bashing, right?
Personally, I'm not sure what I think. When it comes to potentially extending the existence of our species the cost/benefit calculator is complicated.
If India doesn't have these things in place, perhaps the money should be directed to raising the lot of their population rather than on vanity projects.
And it's deffo not "other-bashing" or hypocrisy that drives those complaining in the thread, right?0 -
Good point.Off_it said:
So the USA shouldn't be spending zillions either then. What's your point?seth plum said:Anybody ever seen pictures of the tent communities in rich American cities, and know the numbers of the millions of Americans without adequate health care.
America is regularly pushing at the boundaries of space science.
It almost seems that to criticise India for having a modest space programme while also having poverty is a bit hypocritical if you aren't going to criticise e.g. USA for the same thing.
There's a noble attempt above (not from me)to draw a criterion line of what measures would need to be taken to alleviate the poverty in order to justify a space program....but sadly, USA would seem to also meet that
Complex, eh! Not really sure where I stand on it all.0 -
And you will continue to predictably miss the point while maintaining an air of intellectual superiority.Huskaris said:
It's like a 6th sense, whenever someone is saying bad things about another country, or good things about this one, they will feel it, and they will be sure to add their predictable and repetitive views.Off_it said:
Surely you can think space programmes aren't exactly top of the "must do" list without there being a subtext of racism?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Think I get it now - there's a line/level of poverty alleviation somewhere which a nation would need to reach to be able to justify a space program. That about it? I'm not sure where I'd draw the line, or how India would be doing at meeting it. Fair play if you feel like you can/do.Hal1x said:
we have funded a care system and whilst we have poverty there is a basic level of support. If we then have a space programme whoopy do. I would suggest our priorities are in order.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Not following the logic there, sorryHal1x said:
The UK has a national health service, state pension schemes and a benefit system?, does India. I dont think the two systems compare.Siv_in_Norfolk said:UK has a space program. UK has poverty.
India has a space program. India has poverty.
I assume those knocking the latter are also uncomfortable with the former? Not just Johnny foreigner bashing, right?
Personally, I'm not sure what I think. When it comes to potentially extending the existence of our species the cost/benefit calculator is complicated.
If India doesn't have these things in place, perhaps the money should be directed to raising the lot of their population rather than on vanity projects.
And it's deffo not "other-bashing" or hypocrisy that drives those complaining in the thread, right?
We should have a beer some day.1 -
Watched the story about India and their amazing achievement on the news.
The next story was about people being trapped in a broken cable car in Pakistan.
Quite a contrast between the old foes…
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Your right DFID doesn't but it has been replaced by FCDO who still can't do anything about it or won'tJints said:
None of the aid goes through the Inidian Government. Much as I dislike Modi, he certainly isn't a dictator nor is he apparently corrupt.Wellred said:ONLY 45% OF YOUR £9.2 BILLION RING FENCED AID BUDGET GETS THROUGH TO THE STARVING PEOPLE
55% ENDS UP BEING MANIPULATED BY CORRUPT DICTATORS FOR EITHER PERSONAL/FAMILY USE OR POLITICAL CONTROL OF FOOD AID THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO STARVING CHILDREN.
DFID ARE NOT ABLE TO STOP THE ROT BUT THEY DO LIKE SENDING DELEGATIONS OF CIVIL SERVANTS TO STAY IN 5 STAR Hotels
I bet more then few MPs have had a nice little bung it's how they get away with it
And DFID does not exist.
Christ, the level of pig igorance in this thread.
& regardless how much money we give them it's wrong to spend money on going to the moon while people are dying from poverty
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You're right, there's a huge contrast. The Pakistanis got their people down after a few hours. The Indian mission is still languishing up there.Danepak said:Watched the story about India and their amazing achievement on the news.
The next story was about people being trapped in a broken cable car in Pakistan.
Quite a contrast between the old foes…3 -
Is it also wrong to spend money on an Olympic team? Or on cricket? Theoretical physics or English literature courses at universities?Wellred said:
Your right DFID doesn't but it has been replaced by FCDO who still can't do anything about it or won'tJints said:
None of the aid goes through the Inidian Government. Much as I dislike Modi, he certainly isn't a dictator nor is he apparently corrupt.Wellred said:ONLY 45% OF YOUR £9.2 BILLION RING FENCED AID BUDGET GETS THROUGH TO THE STARVING PEOPLE
55% ENDS UP BEING MANIPULATED BY CORRUPT DICTATORS FOR EITHER PERSONAL/FAMILY USE OR POLITICAL CONTROL OF FOOD AID THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO STARVING CHILDREN.
DFID ARE NOT ABLE TO STOP THE ROT BUT THEY DO LIKE SENDING DELEGATIONS OF CIVIL SERVANTS TO STAY IN 5 STAR Hotels
I bet more then few MPs have had a nice little bung it's how they get away with it
And DFID does not exist.
Christ, the level of pig igorance in this thread.
& regardless how much money we give them it's wrong to spend money on going to the moon while people are dying from poverty
Has it occurred to you that this is an investment by India in a proven business which will make their Government money? There's a big and expaninding market in space launches and Inida has shown they can do it cheaply.2
