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India on The Moon

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  • Stop thinking short termism. Nobody is suggesting it’s an overnight project but I’ve no doubt in 100 years we’ll have bases on the moon and probably mars. Where were we 100 years technologically ? Imagine what might be the advances 100 , 200 , 300 years from now. It will definitely happen. 
    If it happens you can be an "I told you so"  ;) 
    I like the idea of mankind reaching out beyond our planet but I cant get my head around the logistics alone and certainly not future tech needed that we haven't even thought we need yet. 


  • Jints said:
    Why the hell are we meant to care what a foreign government chooses to spend its money on? What's it got to do with us?
    Is that meant to be ironic?
  • No. Can you imagine an Indian cricket forum breating the English for spending money subsidising theatres when there are people going to food banks? It's ridiculous. 
  • Jints said:
    No. Can you imagine an Indian cricket forum breating the English for spending money subsidising theatres when there are people going to food banks? It's ridiculous. 
    Someone put the thread up & we have put our views it's how these things work
    & you must have thought it was OK to discuss this matter going by the amount of post you have posted 









  • Sure. I'm just disagreeing with some of those views and expressing surprise at how judgemental people seem to be about how another country spends a tiny percentage of its funds. 
  • Thought it was a new whetherspoons 😀
  • edited August 2023
    How on earth can England and Ireland submit their final bid to host the Euros in 2028. People are having to use foodbanks - even those in decent jobs.

    Why don't they cancel their bid and sort out their priorities? 

    *puts pint down* (likely to be Stella or Cider )
  • Jints said:
    Sure. I'm just disagreeing with some of those views and expressing surprise at how judgemental people seem to be about how another country spends a tiny percentage of its funds. 

    I think we are judgemental because we see it as wrong to spend money on a rocket rather then allowing people to die 
    It might as you say a tiny amount but it wouldn't have been cheap 
    I just think it could have been better spent 
  • Wellred said:
    Not sure it's a binary choice between 'rocket on the moon' and 'poverty being eradicated'. 

    But I guess this thread is just a way for people to tell India to get back into their place I assume.

    Not allowed expenditure on Space Exploration because that's a big boy thing for developed countries? 
  • Not sure it's a binary choice between 'rocket on the moon' and 'poverty being eradicated'. 

    But I guess this thread is just a way for people to tell India to get back into their place I assume.

    Not allowed expenditure on Space Exploration because that's a big boy thing for developed countries? 
    This.
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  • UK has a space program. UK has poverty. 
    India has a space program. India has poverty. 

    I assume those knocking the latter are also uncomfortable with the former? Not just Johnny foreigner bashing, right?

    Personally, I'm not sure what I think. When it comes to potentially extending the existence of our species the cost/benefit calculator is complicated. 
    Poverty in India is very different to poverty in the UK. Actual poverty if very different to relative poverty. Not sure the percentage of people in India who don't have a home or if they have one that doesn't have electricity, plumbing and running water let alone hot and cold running water
  • Kerr!

    I bet they wished they hadn't bothered now!  It's caused absolute bollox on CL...
  • the two aren't mutually exclusive from one another. I'd actually argue that the pursuit of technological advancement is in itself a form of improving the lives of their citizens.

  • Jints said:
    No. Can you imagine an Indian cricket forum breating the English for spending money subsidising theatres when there are people going to food banks? It's ridiculous. 
    Do India send us aid, either to our gov, or privately? If so, I am sure they would have similar debates on India Life. if not, it’s not a fair comparison.
  • edited August 2023
    As above, I think people are only forming an opinion on how India spend their money, because it has historically included our donations. If it had not, I suspect most people would not give a flying…

    In other words, it’s more a grumble about our historical and current aid policy.
  • As above, I think people are only forming an opinion on how India spend their money, because it has historically included our donations. If it had not, I suspect most people would not give a flying…

    In other words, it’s more a grumble about our historical and current aid policy.
    I would hazard a guess that £0 of our money goes to the India Space Project. Hope that helps. 
  • Anyone remember Beagle 2?  Ruined my Christmas in 2003.
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    PopIcon said:
    Anyone remember Beagle 2?  Ruined my Christmas in 2003.
    It's a disgrace what they do to Beagles, how dare th...e...y...

    Oh noooooooah!

  • I would hazard a guess that £0 of our money goes to the India Space Project. Hope that helps. 
    Right, but I think the point people are trying to make is that perhaps India would require less aid if they focused more on eradicating poverty, rather than sending people to the moon. But I think you already knew that. 
  • Right, but I think the point people are trying to make is that perhaps India would require less aid if they focused more on eradicating poverty, rather than sending people to the moon. But I think you already knew that. 
    Except that they didn't send any people to the moon, the project cost $75m and will genrate 100s of times that in inward investment, income from space alunches and good PR which will help eradicate poverty much quicker and to a much greater extent than spending $75m directly on it. 

    And as pointed out numerous times (not that facts seem to matter), the Indian Government has refused all British aid since 2015. 

     https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/mar/14/uk-aid-india-human-rights-democracy-watchdog

    "A Foreign Office spokesperson said: “Since 2015 the UK has given no financial aid to the government of India. Most of our funding now is focused on business investments which help create new markets and jobs for the UK, as well as India. UK investments are also helping tackle shared challenges such as climate change.”"
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  • If you give money to help a friend who claims to have some financial difficulties in life and later you find out this friend spends money on luxury products rather than basic daily expenses, what would you do? I would definitely stop giving any more money to him/her. 

    Some of you may argue that a nation is not a person and the relationship between countries is more complicated than that between people but this is how I see the issue and why some of you feel the need to stop the financial aid to India, which I think is a very natural reaction.
  • Instead of questioning how a sovereign state spends their money, maybe we should be asking how they achieved this for $75m when we spent £1.6bn on a dirty old barge! Maybe they can include some productivity lessons in the new trade deal. 
  • Jessie said:
    If you give money to help a friend who claims to have some financial difficulties in life and later you find out this friend spends money on luxury products rather than basic daily expenses, what would you do? I would definitely stop giving any more money to him/her. 

    Some of you may argue that a nation is not a person and the relationship between countries is more complicated than that between people but this is how I see the issue and why some of you feel the need to stop the financial aid to India, which I think is a very natural reaction.
    You might be surprised how much aid China receives as a developing nation too 
  • Even if the aid stopped in 2015, some people would still find something to get annoyed about this rather than see it as the very impressive achievement it is.
  • Likes:
    the sights
    the people
    the history
    the culture
    the food.
    Dislikes:
    the extremes of wealth and poverty
    the national cricket team.
    add Modi to the dislikes, Hindu nationalism, buying Russian arms and oil.

    add Ghandi (first one) to likes
  • Jessie said:
    If you give money to help a friend who claims to have some financial difficulties in life and later you find out this friend spends money on luxury products rather than basic daily expenses, what would you do? I would definitely stop giving any more money to him/her. 

    Some of you may argue that a nation is not a person and the relationship between countries is more complicated than that between people but this is how I see the issue and why some of you feel the need to stop the financial aid to India, which I think is a very natural reaction.
    If you had a friend who was in desperate need of money and, from time to find, you gave him a small gift to help alleviate his short-term problems, and then found out his estranged father bought himself a new car, would you refuse to help him further? 
  • You might be surprised how much aid China receives as a developing nation too 
    This is unfortunately not a member's only area so I have to be careful what I post here. (Am I the only one that misses the old HoC section?😅) I don't think some of the decisions "certain people" make are correct or decent. Just think who decide how and where the money is spent. That's the saddest part of the issue.

    Hope you know what I mean. And I'll have to delete this post tomorrow.
  • Chizz said:
    If you had a friend who was in desperate need of money and, from time to find, you gave him a small gift to help alleviate his short-term problems, and then found out his estranged father bought himself a new car, would you refuse to help him further? 
    Er, no?
  • Jessie said:
    If you give money to help a friend who claims to have some financial difficulties in life and later you find out this friend spends money on luxury products rather than basic daily expenses, what would you do? I would definitely stop giving any more money to him/her. 

    Some of you may argue that a nation is not a person and the relationship between countries is more complicated than that between people but this is how I see the issue and why some of you feel the need to stop the financial aid to India, which I think is a very natural reaction.
    But the aid for the UK doesn't go to the India Government. 

    If you had a friend who was spending money on cigarettes, but wasn't feeding their children sufficiently, you might buy the children food
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