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POST-MATCH THREAD: Oxford United vs Charlton Athletic: Saturday 26th August 2023: KO 3:00pm
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Who is available realistically? If Holden does get the boot?
Think if we lose to fleetwood then I'll be surprised if he doesn't go.0 -
1990 & 2006 we were in the top flight. Understandable we might lose a few on the trot in that division..... but in the 3rd ???Airman Brown said:Joint worst start since 1990, equal with Iain Dowie in 2006. Long way back for Holden from there, injuries and squad challenges notwithstanding.10 -
Is McGrandles, a centre mid who HAS played over 100 games and was loved at Lincoln and last season at Cambridge, really a worse option than the clearly knackered and now out of depth Anderson?35
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Crap first half good second half, and yes not the start we all hoped for, but it is 5 games in, very early days, and we have regular first teamers out injured, gladly Leaburn is back in training Monday, and hopefully some new faces in before Friday.
And please all this talk of replacing Holden after 5 games, which I feel we deserved a lot more out of, is ridiculous, far far too early for that kind of stuff.
On to Fleetwood next Saturday, and yes that is a must win...4 -
All these comments about needing 4-5 players are correct. But we won’t get that number - it will be the free agent defender and possibly a loan striker on deadline day. I think we are bang in trouble if that’s the case.3
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Ultimately we are rotten to the core. We’ve got a group of chancers who saved us from Sandgaard, who saved us from Southall and co, who saved us from Roly…. It’s a never ending tale of shit owners.I really want it to work with Holden, but I just can’t see how it can - the bloke can only work with the tools provided. We beat the mighty Leyton Orient and we start lauding it to the crowd….Fucking hell, a 1-0 win against a team promoted from league 2!!! The fans were even singing “the reds are going up song…you just can’t take this club seriously.
the only way we are ever going to get out of this mess is with serious owners that are willing to invest. Until that happens we are going in one direction and it’s not upwards.11 -
I'm with you Daisy - the time for relentless optimism is over.DaisyEdwards said:August, the season is effectively over.
Please get rid of Holden and all of the injured, deadwood and uninterested players we are carrying. Bring in at least 6 quality players this week. I know it wont happen.
Charlton optimist supporters please wake up and take a good look at the club. It is in serious trouble and has been for several years. It is embarrassing the way fans get all over excited every time a new owner, manager or two bob journeyman signs on. As for the youth, they are not that good. I will be amazed if any go on to play above this level. Remember my words, the end is nigh for our beloved club.
If these owners have good intent, they will spend - yes it will take time and it needs to be structured, but fans need to see some real action.
They will be losing money, so if they keep putting in cheap young players and selling off wherever talent we have left, we ill know their intent. Why did they buy the club, if they have no real and obvious plan to improve it?
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Chill everyone
Charlie pink trousers knows what he's doing.
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1990 was back in 1st divison (now Championship) at Selhurst following relegation from the top flightgolfaddick said:
1990 & 2006 we were in the top flight. Understandable we might lose a few on the trot in that division..... but in the 3rd ???Airman Brown said:Joint worst start since 1990, equal with Iain Dowie in 2006. Long way back for Holden from there, injuries and squad challenges notwithstanding.3 - Sponsored links:
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Oh dear. I wasn't optimistic when I saw the team news, and from a quick skim of the players marks it looks like hardly anyone covered themselves in glory. I think I may give the Match thread a miss
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Is he? We've barely seen him in a Charlton shirt.sam3110 said:
Yes, McAmbles is dogshit.Valley11 said:Is McGrandles, a centre mid who HAS played over 100 games and was loved at Lincoln and last season at Cambridge, really a worse option than the clearly knackered and now out of depth Anderson?13 -
Charlton play like it’s a training session with nothing at stake. The approach can switch mid play at any point from purposeful to half-hearted with no end product up front and 100% effort and concentration in defence isn’t necessary. Those players are better than that, they all need to sit together and watch that game back and criticise every play that didn’t come off or went against us one by one.and work out why and what they ahould have done.0
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I hate comments like this. Aside from the fact they're just pointlessly nasty, McGrandles has managed to be very good for Lincoln and Cambridge at this level. He's barely played for us, but why is he so much worse? Is it that he's just 'dogshit' or could it be that we manage to repeatedly take players and make them worse? How do we constantly manage to pick up players who should be decent enough and turn them into shells of themselves? That's what we need to figure out because I reckon we're not a million miles away from making Jones, Camara and May look a hell of a lot worse in reality than they did on paper and, more importantly, than they would for someone elsesam3110 said:
Yes, McAmbles is dogshit.Valley11 said:Is McGrandles, a centre mid who HAS played over 100 games and was loved at Lincoln and last season at Cambridge, really a worse option than the clearly knackered and now out of depth Anderson?
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As we enter the last week of the open window and seeking upto 6 players, who with other options is goung to come to us? Wolves must be kicking them selves over the loan they have agreed and players weighing up clubs that will enhance their CVs will not even know who the manager will be.
As many have said I like Holden more than any manager before except Curbs, Gritt, Powell and Jackson I want him to succeed, but there is no evidence it will happen!
This is the worst time possible for this crisis
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This.BigDiddy said:
No chance, but even they need players. Window closes in a few days, so their options are limited.James86 said:Darren Moore anyone?
I think I’d bring back Curbs short term just to steady the ship. Majority will disagree.
Apart from changing managers every season doesn't help anyone doing it when the incoming manager has NO input on the players he has at his disposal is just bonkers.
No, we just have to stick with Holden. As a fan base we deserve what we get. I mean, the transfer window hasn't shut and as lots of you have said.....its not who you sign in June that matters its who you've signed by Sept 1st.
And you all made that perfectly clear many times.
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I would, it’s just simmering on the hob at the moment 😉.aliwibble said:Oh dear. I wasn't optimistic when I saw the team news, and from a quick skim of the players marks it looks like hardly anyone covered themselves in glory. I think I may give the Match thread a miss1 -
One thing about Albie Morgan is he could deliver a ball, we’re noticeably useless at corners & crossing the ball in the box this season.4
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I’ve been trying to fathom what the connection was that made them turn to him? His record doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.Danny Addick said:I don’t see Holden getting another job after us. Really don’t understand why these owners wanted him.3 -
You've forgotten Jaiyesimi isn't blameless either.greenwichred68 said:Its all kirk's and McGrandles's fault.1 - Sponsored links:
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Shockingly poor first half. No recognisable system, no fight compounded by confused tactics. The kids are very good individually but collectively add up to an inexperienced and naive group. Much improved in the second half and we matched Oxford until we got caught way out of position on the counter, as per usual.One positive was Chem Campbell, who showed a lot of skill, intent and mobility.I’m not joining the calls for Holden to be replaced but he’s got to get to grips with this mess quickly. Starting with the defence - we just don’t have the players to go with back 3. We look so vulnerable. We are much more compact and assured with a back 4 and playing Edun Tayo at left back, not in midfield. It’s so bloody obvious.8
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A good coaching set up eradicates the overload situation that Oxford scored from, considering it happened against port vale and Bristol rovers.......
Holden hasn't got it, nor has Hayes, nor has Senda..........and I'm worried SE7 partners haven't got it either11 -
Trying to locate his brown trousers for Fleetwood.blackpool72 said:Chill everyone
Charlie pink trousers knows what he's doing.
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Part of the problem. Maybe Holden needs an experienced head alongside him not coaches promoted from within with no first team experience.Stewart said:
Thinking about it, I generally don’t know who our management team are apart from Holden.KettsJohn said:Curbs & Brown please. Current management team really not up to it.3 -
I wasn't there and I didn't listen to any thread or watch the stream but when I saw that back three, I was shocked. If Hector is so off the pace or disinterested, why did we sign him, the same for Thomas. If we are to replace those two players with whoever, what will their role be in the club, bench warmers ?. We know we are missing players but those players are all offensive, we actually need two or more to come in at the back and an experienced midfielder. As for Holden, was that line up a cry for help or like Garner a 'hands up I give up' ?0
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As someone soberly pointed out a few days ago, until an owner wants to buy us lock, stock & barrel then all we are going to get are chancers & piss poor wannerbees.Brownie12 said:Ultimately we are rotten to the core. We’ve got a group of chancers who saved us from Sandgaard, who saved us from Southall and co, who saved us from Roly…. It’s a never ending tale of shit owners.I really want it to work with Holden, but I just can’t see how it can - the bloke can only work with the tools provided. We beat the mighty Leyton Orient and we start lauding it to the crowd….Fucking hell, a 1-0 win against a team promoted from league 2!!! The fans were even singing “the reds are going up song…you just can’t take this club seriously.
the only way we are ever going to get out of this mess is with serious owners that are willing to invest. Until that happens we are going in one direction and it’s not upwards.
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19th in Div 3, 20th if you ignore Wigans points penalty, as many lost games as the bottom 2, joint second most goals conceded, losing run 5. This is Charlton. Enjoy0
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Did he mean the fans?L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:Holden just said we deserved more…1 -
I forgot DJ.it was definetly he's fault today aswell.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
You've forgotten Jaiyesimi isn't blameless either.greenwichred68 said:Its all kirk's and McGrandles's fault.0 -
Bring back Lee Boyer , unfinished business.3
