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Garner Gawn? (Ed. CORRECT - GARNER SACKED p6, and again by Colchester p32)
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oohaahmortimer said:I don’t know how we’re surviving without garner1
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Good luck them and him …
there was I thinking we’d be lucky to hold on to him and he’d be prised away by championship teams0 -
He may still have that sort of career. Nice to see him able to set up for a classic away smash-and-grab0
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He'll rue the day he got let go by Sangaard's Circus troop!0
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Salford have cheated their way up the Football League. Pipe down, you wankers' plaything8
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That commentator is pure Manchester United isn't he. You can just tell0
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Leuth said:Disappointing result for Garner yesterday, only putting 1 past Salford away. Only 6 games unbeaten, gonna be under a lot of pressure
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SELR_addicks said:Leuth said:Disappointing result for Garner yesterday, only putting 1 past Salford away. Only 6 games unbeaten, gonna be under a lot of pressure
It's always easier to take over when the previous manager has been poached, rather than sacked because of terrible results!1 -
Before their two consecutive wins Garner was not getting a lot of positive comments from the fans so these wins were much needed.0
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Absolute shambles today. Can't be letting teams like Sutton United take the lead at your gaff. Total and utter embarrassment for Garner and his ball0
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Form team in the division with 3 wins and 2 draws from their last 5 games.0
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Found his level… wibble1
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Having a torrid time of it. Booed at half time. Getting abuse as he leaves the pitch.
Lost 5 nil to forest green. Says the fans need to back off and support the team.
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On borrowed time. Overated in my opinion. Playing tippy tappy football at the lower reaches of the league doesnt work if you dont have the right personnel.....opps Ive heard myself say this before.4
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I didn't have a probem with him but there is one thing he alluded to in an interview which I fundamentally disagree with. That is there is only one way to play football. I think this is nonsense. There are many ways and ultimately it is about getting the best results from what you have got. The move to his style of play required support from the owner, which he didn't get in all honesty.14
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TEL said:On borrowed time. Overated in my opinion. Playing tippy tappy football at the lower reaches of the league doesnt work if you dont have the right personnel.....opps Ive heard myself say this before.
Suspect he's very good at that.6 -
TEL said:On borrowed time. Overated in my opinion. Playing tippy tappy football at the lower reaches of the league doesnt work if you dont have the right personnel.....opps Ive heard myself say this before.No shit. Hoofball doesn’t work either if you have a team of midgets. But I’ve never seen an old school manager get pelters in the same way the Garners of the world do when things start going wrong.
I’d love to see some evidence based research done on the topic. I’m pretty certain that any drawbacks of playing tippy tappy with lower league players is immediately negated by the opposition also having lower league players who can’t take advantage of mistakes.
Tippy tappy CAN work. Route one CAN work. That’s part of what makes football great. As you hinted, it’s about having the right players combined with the right coaching staff who can effectively integrate their ideas into the team.
There’s no point hiring Garner if you don’t plan on giving him the right tools to do the job. That’s why he failed here and is struggling at Colchester. Similarly, there’s no point hiring Steve Evans if you want possession tippy tappy. Both have been successful at times, and a disaster others.That’s not Garner’s fault, nor would it be Evans’ fault.7 - Sponsored links:
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Seems like it's never Garner's fault, according to Garner at least.12
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North Lower Neil said:TEL said:On borrowed time. Overated in my opinion. Playing tippy tappy football at the lower reaches of the league doesnt work if you dont have the right personnel.....opps Ive heard myself say this before.
Suspect he's very good at that.
Think he'd be absolutely fine managing a PL U21s side where the results aren't really the be all and end all and his philosophy would probably be easier to implement. Just don't think it's going to work for him at senior level and quite suspect he won't be at Colchester much longer.0 -
I never liked the way he constantly whined at the officials when with us. Seems he is now whining at his own players. He's a one trick pony who is unable to adjust to simply get the best out of what he has.
When a manager starts whining at his players and calling them out by name then he is a goner.4 -
Managers shouldn't expect to come into a club, and to bring in a whole new team ideally suited to their style. They need to be able to coach and mould the existing players.
As others have said, he seems more suited to the "purity" of Premier League academy football where everyone plays that way, than in the hard nosed world of lower division men's football.8 -
Athletico Charlton said:I never liked the way he constantly whined at the officials when with us. Seems he is now whining at his own players. He's a one trick pony who is unable to adjust to simply get the best out of what he has.
When a manager starts whining at his players and calling them out by name then he is a goner.
But his excuses felt like Fergie's or Mourinho's of 15 years ago and I don't think you can get away with that unless you're successful, and even then it feels rote and tired.
I do think it's a good point about him being a youth/development coach. He will find far more players equipped to play that way in that kind of a setup. I still wouldn't rule him out as a first team manager, he's still very young and has racked up a decent amount of experience. I said it when he was here that it would take him a while to mold a team to the system in which he wants to play. If you bring in Garner you have to invest in his system and methods and give him time to adopt those to the team. And we gave him Stockley up front and Inniss at CB. And you can't play possession football that way.
I've said it before and I will say it again, this season's team in unfortunately far better set up to the way he wanted to play than last year's.
He's one whose career I'll always be curious about because I do think that style is going to fully trickle down to the lower leagues at some point, it may just be years or decades from now. But when the cast offs and loanees from Prem and Champo sides are all being taught to play that way, at some point lower league managers will have to adapt, and lower league clubs will need to start implementing systems that reflect that style (least of all so they have players to sell to clubs up the pyramid). But I think he's going to continue to bounce around until either he goes back to academy work, or he finds a situation like Karl Robinson did at MK Dons and Oxford where he is given time to build and develop a team around his system.3 -
SDAddick said:Athletico Charlton said:I never liked the way he constantly whined at the officials when with us. Seems he is now whining at his own players. He's a one trick pony who is unable to adjust to simply get the best out of what he has.
When a manager starts whining at his players and calling them out by name then he is a goner.
But his excuses felt like Fergie's or Mourinho's of 15 years ago and I don't think you can get away with that unless you're successful, and even then it feels rote and tired.
I do think it's a good point about him being a youth/development coach. He will find far more players equipped to play that way in that kind of a setup. I still wouldn't rule him out as a first team manager, he's still very young and has racked up a decent amount of experience. I said it when he was here that it would take him a while to mold a team to the system in which he wants to play. If you bring in Garner you have to invest in his system and methods and give him time to adopt those to the team. And we gave him Stockley up front and Inniss at CB. And you can't play possession football that way.
I've said it before and I will say it again, this season's team in unfortunately far better set up to the way he wanted to play than last year's.
He's one whose career I'll always be curious about because I do think that style is going to fully trickle down to the lower leagues at some point, it may just be years or decades from now. But when the cast offs and loanees from Prem and Champo sides are all being taught to play that way, at some point lower league managers will have to adapt, and lower league clubs will need to start implementing systems that reflect that style (least of all so they have players to sell to clubs up the pyramid). But I think he's going to continue to bounce around until either he goes back to academy work, or he finds a situation like Karl Robinson did at MK Dons and Oxford where he is given time to build and develop a team around his system.2 -
Ultimately you get judged on your results not on the style of football. I think Garner is a bit naive.5
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Wasn't Garner a long term number two to Pulis?0
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Good to see Colchester get a win away at Cambridge last night.1
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Sacked this evening after losing 2-1 at home to Harrogate and dropping into the relegation zone
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