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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Wigan Athletic: Tuesday 9th April 2024: KO 19:45

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  • Major
    Major Posts: 1,028
    Solidgone said:
    This might not be a popular opinion but I don’t think Kanu or Anderson are quite ready to hold down the first 11 selection. Both Kanu and Anderson’s work rate is unquestionable and both get top marks on their effort. But effort alone is not enough. I get fed up listening about Kanu has just slipped over, been muscled off the ball, a bad first touch etc. And this also applies to Anderson. To get out of this fucking awful league we need to replace them with stronger players that are not bullied and can give it out too. It was nonsense tonight taking off Alfie when he would have been better suited with a stronger partner. I’m not in anyway basing my opinion on just tonight’s match as our defence continues to be without a central defender that commands the back 4-3. 
    And a goalkeeper.
  • swordfish
    swordfish Posts: 4,234
    Nathan Jones might have kept is up but how many has he won ? Drawn far too many games this season - most on the whole EFL
    Only the bottom 5 have won less games than us. 

    We can't keep a clean sheet.
    We cant take advantage when on top
    Apart from the strikers no-one else can score. OG has scored more than any non-forward since Jones took over. 

    I certainly wont be buying a ST if this isnt rectified massively in the summer. 
    You're not wrong. We've lost the same number of games as Blackpool in 8th, but they are 16 points better off!
  • Nug
    Nug Posts: 4,623
    We had a hatful of chances but not one clean strike at goal, all half hit or scuffed, very frustrating. From what I could see from the other end they had two chances and stuck them away. Dobson was class, Kanu struggled today but he’s in credit and still worked hard. Campbell and Ramsay linked up well. Lua Lua looked very rusty. Enjoyable watch anyway.
  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,838
    Leuth said:
    Davo55 said:
    Leuth said:
    Lua Lua getting a kicking in player marks but we created an absolute fuckload of chances with him on the field. I thought what he did well was realise he can no longer run past people, and pass to someone else instead. Sure, his legs have gone and he won't get a new contract but I don't actually think he got any decisions wrong while he was on
    Have to politely disagree with you on this one. He contributed very little. Played it safe more often than not and don't remember him being involved in any of our most dangerous moves.
    No I'm saying he did play it safe, because he knew he didn't have the beating of the defenders. Rather than try and fail, he moved it back to someone else. It was exactly what he should have done given he's no longer up to it 
    Mate, I'm almost 69 and I could have been on there playing it safe because I'm not up to it. We need more than that. He is supposed to add an attacking threat. The fact that he didn't is exactly why he's getting to low scores on the player marks thread.
  • Well that was two points lost.

    A fairly comfortable first half without us really looking a consistent threat. I thought we harried and pressed really well and kept possession nicely.

    We really came out of the traps second half with some half chances and Dobbo hitting the post. Then two moments of poor defending gifted them two goals and we were up against it. Luckily Wigan looked jaded and the quality of the subs we put on meant we weee going to create chances. A lovely cross from Dobson for Chuks’ goal and then we had some decent opening without having the composure to take them.

    Frustrating but more positives than negatives, particularly in that Dobson and Coventry are showing they can play together and are building a good understanding.
  • Lua Lua, what’s the point.?

    Istead fumbles again.

    Missed loads of chances again.

    Kanu needs a rest.

    Why are we letting Dobbo go, madness.
    I said at half-time that this looked one game too far for Kanu tonight. NJ really should have taken him off way before he did.

    And I totally agree with you about letting Dobson go. Complete and absolute madness. The "we won't miss Dobson, time to move on" brigade haven't been on for the last 2 games, and I doubt they will be tonight either. If anyone really believes we will be a better team without Dobson in it they are very, very mistaken.

    I can only take a little bit of hope from a comment someone made on the match thread - Dobson isn't playing like a player who is leaving. 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,600
    Leuth said:
    Lua Lua getting a kicking in player marks but we created an absolute fuckload of chances with him on the field. I thought what he did well was realise he can no longer run past people, and pass to someone else instead. Sure, his legs have gone and he won't get a new contract but I don't actually think he got any decisions wrong while he was on
    He was fricking useless.
  • cafc4life
    cafc4life Posts: 4,634
    Should have won. Will say it time and time again, it’s an absolutely travesty that Dobson will not be with us next season. Fucking mustard tonight . Andy Scott has a lot to answer for 
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,038
    Entertaining game with a disappointing result. Thought Wigan looked awful for much of it and were there for the taking. The comedic kicking of Mr Tickle and lack of communication between their defence giving them a distinctly Appletonesque feel. To our credit we created lots of opportunities and as well as the goals there were several ifs and buts moments. Ifs and buts don't win matches though, so we need to become a bit more clinical in front of goal. That, and cut out the moments of madness.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,648
    How have we not won that 

    Because of 2 stupid defensive errors
    Because we didnt score a 2nd when on top. 

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,338
    Look, it's sad when an explosive winger loses his pace. Let's show the right amount of sad respect for Lua Lua's lost livelihood 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,648


    Why are we letting Dobbo go, madness.
    The person who made that decision is in charge of our recruitment in the summer. Not convinced we will bring in the right  players or let the wrong ones go. 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,987
    Leuth said:
    Look, it's sad when an explosive winger loses his pace. Let's show the right amount of sad respect for Lua Lua's lost livelihood 
    We’ve been a nursing home for players on a down slope for too long. It’s become tiresome.
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,338
    Don't see what Lua Lua or Wickham bring to the table TBH....would rather see an academy product like Casey get a go...... 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    Watched 3 great English teams tonight:
    Man city, Arsenal on Big TV and Charlton on Lap top.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,885
    edited April 2024
    Nathan Jones might have kept is up but how many has he won ? Drawn far too many games this season - most on the whole EFL
    Only the bottom 5 have won less games than us. 

    We can't keep a clean sheet.
    We cant take advantage when on top
    Apart from the strikers no-one else can score. OG has scored more than any non-forward since Jones took over. 

    I certainly wont be buying a ST if this isnt rectified massively in the summer. 
    After a few months back, golfie isback
    ladies and gentleman 
  • Lua Lua, what’s the point.?

    Istead fumbles again.

    Missed loads of chances again.

    Kanu needs a rest.

    Why are we letting Dobbo go, madness.
    Are you really judging a player on 20 mins?
  • Laddick01
    Laddick01 Posts: 6,396
    Thought we looked better when we went 4 at the back.

    Dobson was class. Gillesphey has a great passing range but is making simple errors far too often.

    Annoying that we completely fell asleep for 5 minutes. Can't do that next season. 

    Ramsay could be a very good addition. Would work well in an attacking side.

    Referee was even worse than the usual standard. Inconsistent and massively soft at times. Blowing at the end to stop Lua Lua crossing was the icing on the cake. 

    Will need lots of work in the transfer window, but I do think we are finally on the right path.

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  • Dobson was great and my MOTM.
    Hector and Thomas reverted to Appleton defending tactics for their goals.
    LuaLua didn’t even try and beat his man
    Campbell looked effective
    Ref obviously doesn’t get any attention from his Mrs at home so decided to be the pantomime villain tonight and give them every decision possible. Proper bellend.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,600
    Lua Lua, what’s the point.?

    Istead fumbles again.

    Missed loads of chances again.

    Kanu needs a rest.

    Why are we letting Dobbo go, madness.
    Are you really judging a player on 20 mins?
    To be fair it was a extremely awful 20 minutes. If at times we want to switch to a 4-4-2 then at least Campbell can beat players, Lua Lua I doubt could beat an egg. 
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,043
    Can't see us extending LuaLua or Wickham after that but I actually think a decent winger and a big forward won't be too hard to come by in the summer, think we have the nucleus of something good if Dobbo sticks around, if not I'd like to see us replace him with some goals from the middle 
  • The fact that we were pressing, the fact we had 20 shots - seven on target is pleasing.  It's progress.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,269
    Bailey said:
    The changes Wigan made at half time overloaded our midfield, Ramsey's poor choice of a header allowed them to break on us for the first and the second was pretty similar. There was a few tired performances out there but Dobson, Coventry and Small kept us going. Positive of the night ? Tyreece Campbell looking hungry again. 
    But he's out of contract in the summer with no mention of a new one (or he isn't going to sign)
  • Valleyfan2
    Valleyfan2 Posts: 224
    Two points thrown away, their second goal was ridiculous from us. Still an enjoyable game. I thought TC was outstanding when he came on. 
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,815
    Davo55 said:

    Well, the script for that one must have been written by a lover of farce.

    After a low key first half the Addicks created enough opportunities to win several games. But our old defensive frailties meant we had to come from behind to gain a draw. Further half chances to win it didn’t quite fall our way so we have to be content with an entertaining point.

    On the plus side, Hector strong again, Ramsey did well, Dobbo outstanding in midfield, Chuks made a difference again.

    On the downside, Dan Kanu is looking jaded and needs a rest. Didn’t see anything like enough from LuLua to suggest that he’ll get a contract offer.

    Although we only had half chances after drawing level, it looked harder for chucks to blaze over the bar from all of two yards out than to score. 

    As you say an entertaining game but left feeling slightly cheated with a draw but with a modicum of relief that we hadn't lost and at least we gave it everything trying to snatch a winner. 
  • Surreal game of football...
    Surreal opposition too. Mr Tickle in goal, three Smiths and a bloke called Clare.
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,199
    Weird game of football. Most of the first half felt like a friendly, with us the side that did an early and more effective pre-season. Wigan scoring at least made it come alive, though I couldn’t believe that we were actually losing. 
    I don’t think Chuks missed a sitter. From where I was it looked really fizzed on and quite high. 
    Ref was a pompous, attention seeking dickhead. 
  • swordfish said:
    Nathan Jones might have kept is up but how many has he won ? Drawn far too many games this season - most on the whole EFL
    Only the bottom 5 have won less games than us. 

    We can't keep a clean sheet.
    We cant take advantage when on top
    Apart from the strikers no-one else can score. OG has scored more than any non-forward since Jones took over. 

    I certainly wont be buying a ST if this isnt rectified massively in the summer. 
    You're not wrong. We've lost the same number of games as Blackpool in 8th, but they are 16 points better off!

     But the difference would be that the way Nathan has got the team playing  now would mean we wouldn’t have lost all those games and we would have picked up draws and wins instead of losses and a few more wins instead of those we drew