Another Shooting In America?

Chizz said:

clb74 said:

soapboxsam said:

clb74 said:

I tell you what I think is sick.
Bbc reporter saying he is looking at a video to see if he can identify the 1st victim

WTF do you think a reporter job is ? To find out information on a massive global story.
The main BBC reporter covering this story is the blind Gary O'Donoghue who is based in Washington DC.

An excellent English Journalist who is to be admired.

Sick world we live in.
Let's see if I can identify the person.

Shouldn't a journalist find out facts and report them? 

You certainly won’t find a journalist who would disagree with that. Otherwise what’s the point.

Ah cool. We'd better all do fascism 

eastterrace6168 said:

JamesSeed said:

Karim_myBagheri said:

Be interesting to see what our papers lead with tomorrow. All of them today are about the football.

Massive news story. Will be front page of course unless they had already gone to press. 

Can’t see Trump losing the election now. He would probably have heard the security services guys saying ‘shooter down’, so did the fist pumping, knowing it’s a ‘defining image’. Smart. 

Stupid more like it!...🤦‍♂️

Don’t really agree. As someone else said, adrenaline, but he’s a smart cookie. I know from experience you think very clearly in that sort of situation, as if everything is happening in slow motion. Adrenaline and endorphins kick in. 

Chippycafc said:

swordfish said:

Chizz said:

Just a quick reminder that this is very definitely a thread about the abhorrent and unstoppable rise in shootings, an opportunity to offer condolences or otherwise appropriately honour to those affected and to consider what sanative legislature or influences could be brought about to fix the situation.  It shouldn't be derailed by discussions about who should or shouldn't win the next US Presidential Election.  I mean, who knows what nutters might turn up if it headed off in that direction..?

So why did you post the Van Gough/Trump portrait?

Unfortunately has a history of cracking unfunny jokes when there are people dying and have died.

It’s all over social media. Not pleasant. 

SporadicAddick said:

JamesSeed said:

Karim_myBagheri said:

Be interesting to see what our papers lead with tomorrow. All of them today are about the football.

Massive news story. Will be front page of course unless they had already gone to press. 

Can’t see Trump losing the election now. He would probably have heard the security services guys saying ‘shooter down’, so did the fist pumping, knowing it’s a ‘defining image’. Smart. 

Where did you read / hear that?

I was guessing, but now I’ve just heard it on LBC. 

JamesSeed said:

SporadicAddick said:

JamesSeed said:

Karim_myBagheri said:

Be interesting to see what our papers lead with tomorrow. All of them today are about the football.

Massive news story. Will be front page of course unless they had already gone to press. 

Can’t see Trump losing the election now. He would probably have heard the security services guys saying ‘shooter down’, so did the fist pumping, knowing it’s a ‘defining image’. Smart. 

Where did you read / hear that?

I was guessing, but now I’ve just heard it on LBC. 

You can clearly hear security agents shouting ‘are we good?’ , then ‘shooter’s down’, then ‘shooter’s down, are we good to move?’, then ‘we’re clear’, and ‘let’s move’. 

Trump would have heard all this.
So sorry doubters, I reckon I was pretty spot on. 

It’s at 12:05:30 on the Global Player if you want to have a listen. 

I don't doubt what was said. Never did. I just think the reactions of Trump and those around him are genuine, his defiance instinctive rather than put on for effect, but we're not going to agree anyway and neither of us will be proved right or wrong.

R0TW said:

JamesSeed said:

eastterrace6168 said:

JamesSeed said:

Karim_myBagheri said:

Be interesting to see what our papers lead with tomorrow. All of them today are about the football.

Massive news story. Will be front page of course unless they had already gone to press. 

Can’t see Trump losing the election now. He would probably have heard the security services guys saying ‘shooter down’, so did the fist pumping, knowing it’s a ‘defining image’. Smart. 

Stupid more like it!...🤦‍♂️

Don’t really agree. As someone else said, adrenaline, but he’s a smart cookie. I know from experience you think very clearly in that sort of situation, as if everything is happening in slow motion. Adrenaline and endorphins kick in. 

And I’ve heard others on the radio saying his instincts served him well in that situation @O-Randy-Hunt. 

Can’t see Biden, or whoever replaces him if he pulls out, will stand a chance now. Reagan’s approval ratings improved enormously after he was shot.

So you have been shot? That must really shake you up.

Of course.  It was a mortar bomb, not a bullet. 

Shooter identified as a 20 year old white guy, registered republican, wearing a Demolition Ranch T-Shirt, a gun enthusiast group who’s tagline on Facebook is “Making you smile with Guns”

It’s almost as if we have a gun problem 

This might just change the narrative slightly 

swordfish said:

JamesSeed said:

SporadicAddick said:

JamesSeed said:

Karim_myBagheri said:

Be interesting to see what our papers lead with tomorrow. All of them today are about the football.

Massive news story. Will be front page of course unless they had already gone to press. 

Can’t see Trump losing the election now. He would probably have heard the security services guys saying ‘shooter down’, so did the fist pumping, knowing it’s a ‘defining image’. Smart. 

Where did you read / hear that?

I was guessing, but now I’ve just heard it on LBC. 

You can clearly hear security agents shouting ‘are we good?’ , then ‘shooter’s down’, then ‘shooter’s down, are we good to move?’, then ‘we’re clear’, and ‘let’s move’. 

Trump would have heard all this.
So sorry doubters, I reckon I was pretty spot on. 

It’s at 12:05:30 on the Global Player if you want to have a listen. 

I don't doubt what was said. Never did. I just think the reactions of Trump and those around him are genuine, his defiance instinctive rather than put on for effect, but we're not going to agree anyway and neither of us will be proved right or wrong.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not dissing Trump. And yes, it’s instinctive. But don’t underestimate his ability to think on his feet. 

sam3110 said:

The fist pump was his version of an F1 driver giving the thumbs up after a nasty crash, it was timed to perfection with the flag behind him, but definitely wasn't methodically planned out, especially when seconds before the guy had just been shot at. 

First assassination attempt on a President in a very long time, I'm actually surprised there hasn't been more given the amount of guns in Murica, combined with the amount of absolute loonies they have too 

It wasn't, it was just the first one that got close/security failed on for a while.

It's not even the first on Trump:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

And that's just sitting Presidents, not former Presidents or candidates.

MrBurns said:

Redskin said:

Stig said:

Is that Trump photo for real? It just looks too good to be true. It's got every element that the All American Patriot would want. It's just so reminiscent of Rosenthal's Iwo Jima shot. 

Trump is a true American hero. I'm not American but he's my president 

1/10 satire, must try harder. 

MrOneLung said:

Someone’s losing their job. How did the secret service leave that roof unattended? Clear line of sight to the Trumps podium? 

Agreed, especially as people were pointing at his guy apparently and making a lot of noise before it happened. 

If you haven't seen the interview with the crazy guy with ginger hair I recommend it. A proper point of view account. 

The past 14 hours have been some of the most fascinating I have seen. The facts being established gradually amongst a quagmire of social media hypothesis and batshit crazy conspiracy theories (on both sides) has really been something to behold. 

My conclusion is that the US media encourages a radicalised state of mind in Americans. It gets clicks and engagement and drives bottom lines. You have to hate Trump or you have to hate Biden. 

The amount of people that are furious that this chap didn't succeed is unbelievable to see. People have been radicalised. The rhetoric is crazy. Biden just last week said about putting trump '"in the crosshair." If Trump had said that about Biden and he had been shot, we would be hearing nothing else from the usual people. You even have people saying that he is being shot because of a climate he has created, as if violence in America started in 2016, give me strength! 

Hard to second guess why the 29 year old man did it. Registered Republican and had previously donated to a left wing Democrat organisation. Why does anyone want to shoot people ? Happens virtually every day in the states and the only reason the president isn’t targeted more is because of the security. Ease of obtaining guns won’t even feature on the reasons for this. Bonkers country.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Hard to second guess why the 29 year old man did it. Registered Republican and had previously donated to a left wing Democrat organisation. Why does anyone want to shoot people ? Happens virtually every day in the states and the only reason the president isn’t targeted more is because of the security. Ease of obtaining guns won’t even feature on the reasons for this. Bonkers country.

Every “day”? It happens every minute!