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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
Nicholas
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Out!!!! yes I said it and I don't care. Shit negative football, making 4-6 changes every game tell us he is desperate and has no clue. Dropping decent players who have played well for no reason. Horrible little manager with no clue whatsoever. How have we come into the season with no attacking midfielders and no wingers. We have been lucky against Wigan, Orient and Shrewsbury all 3 of those games we were awful but got the points we all got excited and thought we were winning ugly and it will only be a matter of time before we start playing well. Well we can all see that is not going to happen. There is no point having a midfield if we are going to just lump it past them to probably one of the worst strikers ever to wear the clubs colours. To make things worse that same shit striker is playing alongside Campbell who was not good enough last season on the wing and should have been sold, but because he has a half decent pre season we have kept him.
Justt a guess but don't think the players like Jones, and think he has pissed a lot of them off already with his shit negative football and stupid demands. To drop Mitchell was just crazy. Then to bring Anderson straight into the team after one of the worst performences ever at Cambridge is remarkable. Today he drops Kane who has been one of the if not best players this season for Watson another weird decision.
I know I am going to get laughed at about who do we bring in and we need to give him time we cant keep doing this, I dont care anymore, every season we get worse and every season we give these shit managers far too long. Yes it begins from the top they are also a pile of shit. But this bloke has all the signs of the wrongun and think we need act now before its too late.
Justt a guess but don't think the players like Jones, and think he has pissed a lot of them off already with his shit negative football and stupid demands. To drop Mitchell was just crazy. Then to bring Anderson straight into the team after one of the worst performences ever at Cambridge is remarkable. Today he drops Kane who has been one of the if not best players this season for Watson another weird decision.
I know I am going to get laughed at about who do we bring in and we need to give him time we cant keep doing this, I dont care anymore, every season we get worse and every season we give these shit managers far too long. Yes it begins from the top they are also a pile of shit. But this bloke has all the signs of the wrongun and think we need act now before its too late.
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What I will say is the style has to change. If it doesn’t Jones isn’t taking us anywhere positive.13
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Too early but Jones needs to make serious adjustments.
His plan A has been found out and has failed. He needs to change it up.
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Are you saying there was a plan?SELR_addicks said:Too early but Jones needs to make serious adjustments.
His plan A has been found out and has failed. He needs to change it up.3 -
Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.56 -
Nathan Jones, he has been here too long.6
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We were 3-0 down to the team with the worst Xg/Xa.Callumcafc said:Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.2 -
Its time he knew his first 11. Stop playing The Tinkerman.8
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It also wont be long before the crowd gets toxic, Ahadme will be the first one to get boos if he starts on Saturday or if he comes on. I can see it now.1
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They had crap stats tonight as well, it’s not as if they created much and deserved to have scored three times.Covered End said:
We were 3-0 down to the team with the worst Xg/Xa.Callumcafc said:Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.
It’s a “when it rains it pours” situation right now. We could with a team not putting two in the top corner from outside the area when we’re trying to break a losing run.0 -
Callum has been hoisted by his own petardCovered End said:
We were 3-0 down to the team with the worst Xg/Xa.Callumcafc said:Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.4 -
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We really needed to win tonight to make Birmingham a free hit. Another poor performance on Saturday and it’s going to start getting really toxic.3
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I mean they only had 0.56 xG so about in keeping with what they manage every other game but yeah, you got me!MrOneLung said:
Callum has been hoisted by his own petardCovered End said:
We were 3-0 down to the team with the worst Xg/Xa.Callumcafc said:Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.
Why did they score 3 times from 0.56 xG against us and not anybody else??? Because we’re Charlton and we’re cursed.9 -
That was only the fourth time this L1 season where a team has managed to score twice from outside the area. There’s been 102 matches played. 1 in 25.5. Once every couple of weeks it happens. It happened tonight.Callumcafc said:
They had crap stats tonight as well, it’s not as if they created much and deserved to have scored three times.Covered End said:
We were 3-0 down to the team with the worst Xg/Xa.Callumcafc said:Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.
It’s a “when it rains it pours” situation right now. We could with a team not putting two in the top corner from outside the area when we’re trying to break a losing run.
We have problems AND we were very unlucky at the same time to make for an especially shit evening all around.6 -
Sadly, I don't think he has any intention of changing the way he plays.
He talks only of "the high press", "front footed", "fitter than the opposition".
He seems to be all about workrate and effort, with little emphasis on skill, speed or ability.
He never once mentions our lack of creativity, or even playing some attractive football, and that's an impossibility anyway if he doesn't have the right players available to him due to poor recruitment.12 -
But that's because we gave then acres of space on the edge of the box. These weren't 30-yard worldies, they were simply well placed shots from the edge of the box under no pressure. That's calamitous defending, and the hard-to-breakdown, no easy goals thing that Jones had going (and was his only real selling point this season) us clearly gone.Callumcafc said:
That was only the fourth time this L1 season where a team has managed to score twice from outside the area. There’s been 102 matches played. 1 in 25.5. Once every couple of weeks it happens. It happened tonight.Callumcafc said:
They had crap stats tonight as well, it’s not as if they created much and deserved to have scored three times.Covered End said:
We were 3-0 down to the team with the worst Xg/Xa.Callumcafc said:Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.
It’s a “when it rains it pours” situation right now. We could with a team not putting two in the top corner from outside the area when we’re trying to break a losing run.
We have problems AND we were very unlucky at the same time to make for an especially shit evening all around.14 -
Another manager, another ridiculous long contract and another huge pay out when it ultimately ends in failure. And then repeat..1
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Like many on here, I was excited when he came in, and although the performances wern't great, he was getting enough out of them to keep us up. Enthusiasm was ramped up over the summer, as the new arrivals started pouring in, but by the time we got to the business end, I was concerned at the notible absence of and creative midfielder(s), no width and no recognised first choice GK. He has put all his eggs in one basket as far as how we set up it was only a matter of time before it went south. Even after the first 3 wins, my initial feeling were that this is shit and we're not going to blag too many games like this.
Yes, results are most important, but entertainment also goes a long way. If the fans are bored, they're gonna be quiet and not create an atmosphere, which can give the players a lift. As things stand, the performances are shit and the results are shit, which leads to a toxic enviroment at the "happy" Valley. It needs to change, and soon, but I for the life of me can't see how that will happen with the players he's assembled.
If I didn't have a season ticket, I wouldn't even be contemplating going along this weekend.12 -
Berry was about as tight as you’d ask a midfielder to be on the edge of the box. Sinclair got the shot off and went top corner anyway.Jonniesta said:
But that's because we gave then acres of space on the edge of the box. These weren't 30-yard worldies, they were simply well placed shots from the edge of the box under no pressure. That's calamitous defending, and the hard-to-breakdown, no easy goals thing that Jones had going (and was his only real selling point this season) us clearly gone.Callumcafc said:
That was only the fourth time this L1 season where a team has managed to score twice from outside the area. There’s been 102 matches played. 1 in 25.5. Once every couple of weeks it happens. It happened tonight.Callumcafc said:
They had crap stats tonight as well, it’s not as if they created much and deserved to have scored three times.Covered End said:
We were 3-0 down to the team with the worst Xg/Xa.Callumcafc said:Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.
It’s a “when it rains it pours” situation right now. We could with a team not putting two in the top corner from outside the area when we’re trying to break a losing run.
We have problems AND we were very unlucky at the same time to make for an especially shit evening all around.
Anderson was a marginally out of position but threw his body at the shot to get in the way. Lindsay’s shot went in the top corner anyway.
Everyone is talking as if we rolled out the red carpet for them on both occasions. We didn’t do anything close to that and sometimes the shot just flies in the net anyway despite your best effort.
Our closing down certainly wasn’t any worse than you’ll see from Bristol Rovers or other sides at our level.3 -
Given the amount of players PL stockpile it's a bit unusual for us to not use the loan market at all in the summer. It leave us with Campbell as our only winger who is being played up front. There's no way Scott and Jones sat down at the start of the season and thought Campbell would be the answer to a striker problem. Poor recruitment decisions again and again7
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XuXk sakeCovered End said:
We were 3-0 down to the team with the worst Xg/Xa.Callumcafc said:Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.3 -
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There isn't much to argue with in your first paragraph, but to take some of your other points:Nicholas said:Out!!!! yes I said it and I don't care. Shit negative football, making 4-6 changes every game tell us he is desperate and has no clue. Dropping decent players who have played well for no reason. Horrible little manager with no clue whatsoever. How have we come into the season with no attacking midfielders and no wingers. We have been lucky against Wigan, Orient and Shrewsbury all 3 of those games we were awful but got the points we all got excited and thought we were winning ugly and it will only be a matter of time before we start playing well. Well we can all see that is not going to happen. There is no point having a midfield if we are going to just lump it past them to probably one of the worst strikers ever to wear the clubs colours. To make things worse that same shit striker is playing alongside Campbell who was not good enough last season on the wing and should have been sold, but because he has a half decent pre season we have kept him.
Justt a guess but don't think the players like Jones, and think he has pissed a lot of them off already with his shit negative football and stupid demands. To drop Mitchell was just crazy. Then to bring Anderson straight into the team after one of the worst performences ever at Cambridge is remarkable. Today he drops Kane who has been one of the if not best players this season for Watson another weird decision.
I know I am going to get laughed at about who do we bring in and we need to give him time we cant keep doing this, I dont care anymore, every season we get worse and every season we give these shit managers far too long. Yes it begins from the top they are also a pile of shit. But this bloke has all the signs of the wrongun and think we need act now before its too late.
"don't think the players like Jones" - not sure that is true as half of them worked with him before at Luton.
"To drop Mitchell was just crazy" - it was and he admitted his mistake and Mitchell came straight back in.
"Today he drops Kane who has been one of the if not best players this season" - i think he was given a rest, not dropped. He did look a bit tired in the last game.
"who do we bring in" - I think Jones needs to be given more time. Ultimately he has only had 1 transfer window and it's way too soon to get rid. He was brought in on a long contract with a rebuild project in mind. You can't abandon that after 1 transfer window. We are on a poor run but are still only 2 points off 4th place, although admittedly that gap looks like being much wider by the end of October. If we get rid, a new manager has to work with the same players, the same lack of creativity in midfield, the same lack of wingers.
Personally i think Jones needs to choose what he thinks is his best XI and stick with that for a few games. Go with Godden and Leaburn up front and let the players get used to each other. Leaburn won't be able to do 90 yet, so Chuks can come on for him after 55-60.
Chopping and changing 4-5 players every game isn't helping and the players can't get into any sort of rhythm. I'd also look at giving Dixon 10-15 minutes here and there. He's very raw and he will make mistakes but he's a wildcard that defenders will not like facing late on in a game with tired legs. And let's be honest, there isn't going to be creativity coming from many other areas.
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Too early. We’ve had so many changes. But, he needs to learn from all this. Stop being so negative and start to actually play some attractive football. I know we’ve all wanted clean sheets but not like this. It’s like an obsession he has and it has totally affected how he has got us playing. Way too negative and it’s starting to work against us now. Teams have found us out by the high press. We can’t handle that.4
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It's because the only stat that matters is scoring more than opposition and winning the game.Callumcafc said:
I mean they only had 0.56 xG so about in keeping with what they manage every other game but yeah, you got me!MrOneLung said:
Callum has been hoisted by his own petardCovered End said:
We were 3-0 down to the team with the worst Xg/Xa.Callumcafc said:Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.
Why did they score 3 times from 0.56 xG against us and not anybody else??? Because we’re Charlton and we’re cursed.1 -
Other than Luton he has shat the bed with every other club he has managed.
he is a modern day Mike Walker who can only do well in one place.2 -
I feel sorry for a defence that has the ball coming back to them all the time - because there is nothing up front! Ahadme cannot start on Saturday (I don't think he could see the ball through that mask...) and we have to use Miles and Chuks for the 90, with Godden starting alongside whoever is on the pitch. We must also start a winger, and as we only have one, that's TC (Rylah is too weak and Dixon too raw to start). Then the two centre midfielders (Docherty back please!) can sit, and the wingbacks (please not 10eye!) bomb on.
Players like Ahadme, Berry, Campbell (A), Watson, and Edun should not be starting, or arguably even on the bench!
Ultimately we have to stick with Jones, as another managerial change will just cost too much.1 -
We play effectively 6 defenders its far too unbalanced with 3 centre backs is Coventry role required collecting off the centre backs.5
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Bar the Bolton match this season hasn’t been great, but sacking Jones now would be madness. Either way, it won’t happen, he has a long term contract so things would have to deteriorate significantly for him to get the chop.8
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Callumcafc said:Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.I do not agree with much of what you post due to your rose tinted glasses outlook at times, however, I agree with you on this one.He worked wonders last season and the guy needs time.If we bring in a new guy and he is s*** in his first 10 games do we sack him?8 -
Appleton stopped the bleeding post Holden, Holden post Garner was it? I loose track we change so often for only short term benefit. This time last season we were doing well under Apples but it all went pear shaped. Fortunes can change quickly and we need to be patient with Jones.Callumcafc said:Six league games lost after 25 in charge.
I really can’t get behind any calls to sack another manager when he stopped the bleeding post Holden & Appleton.
If this losing run continues much longer maybe there’s a conversation to have approaching Christmas.
He's not lost a dressing room of players who've come here having worked under him before. They're still finding their feet as a team this season, and having lost confidence now that becomes harder, but Jones blamed himself for last night and I trust in him to learn from it and sort it out.
Inconsistency is to be expected when you have a constant churn of average L1 players, which I'm afraid is where we're at for the foreseeable.
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I think sacking him already is very knee jerky - we need stability, another manager comes in, then he will want his own players, own tactics - it all takes time to build again.
If in a months time we haven’t improved then you can start looking at replacements before the January window.3
