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Charlie Methven and Gavin Carter at Bromley Addicks
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No they didn’t, there were so many hands up and questions asked, it was impossible to ask absolutely everything, otherwise we’d still be there!Gisappointed said:Did nobody ask about key players soon to be out of contract?3 -
The answer would be "we're in talks".....telling us nothing.Gisappointed said:Did nobody ask about key players soon to be out of contract?0 -
MostElfsborgAddick said:
The answer would be "we're in talks".....telling us nothing.Gisappointed said:Did nobody ask about key players soon to be out of contract?
probably.0 -
Most clubs are run like that. Where we've been bad at is selling players at a high price and replacing them with cheaper players, who end up just as good.Henry Irving said:
The be like Brighton and Brentford comparison was, in part, in reference to them being net sellers eg getting more in sales than they spend on transfers, so not sure that idea has gone away.Airman Brown said:I’m not surprised CM wishes to retreat from his remark about reducing the operating loss to £1m-£2m and offsetting that with player trading, but I don’t believe him. Why would the interviewer make it up?
it’s also hard to see how you could take out £2m of non-football cost when much of it is fixed (like the rent) and you’ve added the purchase of retail stock and overheads. You could only cut that much by removing people and the club seems to have added them at management level. Most of the non-playing staff cost is football staff. But the numbers will come out in time.Average losses in this division don’t tell you anything much because of the disparity in size of clubs. Stevenage and Crawley bear no relation to Bolton and Charlton, never mind Birmingham.
In 19/20, Brentford's excellent strike force was Benrahma, Watkins and Mbeumo. After they just missed out on promotion the first 2 were sold for big fees, but they brought in Toney for far less, and he scored 31 goals as they went up.1 -
Not sure most clubs are run like that but agree we've not spend money from sales well.killerandflash said:
Most clubs are run like that. Where we've been bad at is selling players at a high price and replacing them with cheaper players, who end up just as good.Henry Irving said:
The be like Brighton and Brentford comparison was, in part, in reference to them being net sellers eg getting more in sales than they spend on transfers, so not sure that idea has gone away.Airman Brown said:I’m not surprised CM wishes to retreat from his remark about reducing the operating loss to £1m-£2m and offsetting that with player trading, but I don’t believe him. Why would the interviewer make it up?
it’s also hard to see how you could take out £2m of non-football cost when much of it is fixed (like the rent) and you’ve added the purchase of retail stock and overheads. You could only cut that much by removing people and the club seems to have added them at management level. Most of the non-playing staff cost is football staff. But the numbers will come out in time.Average losses in this division don’t tell you anything much because of the disparity in size of clubs. Stevenage and Crawley bear no relation to Bolton and Charlton, never mind Birmingham.
In 19/20, Brentford's excellent strike force was Benrahma, Watkins and Mbeumo. After they just missed out on promotion the first 2 were sold for big fees, but they brought in Toney for far less, and he scored 31 goals as they went up.0 -
I've plonked this here because the thread is getting read and because I thought it shed some new light on Mr Methven.
After the Birmingham match, Paddy Powell said to me "Did you see Charlie?" I said, "No, why?" He said "Well at the end of the game he ran straight out of the front of the directors' box and down on to the pitch to celebrate with the players and manager". I've since seen the video evidence of him down there and being hugged by one of the players.
That's all.
Of course, more traditionally he is supposed to be handshaking and commiserating with the away directors. His actions don't seem to me to be those of someone who doesn't really care about the club and rather indicates that his "skin in the game" is a little bit more than just financial.
Anyway, thanks for the write up @Henry Irving.
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He'll be doing team talks next.cafcfan said:I've plonked this here because the thread is getting read and because I thought it shed some new light on Mr Methven.
After the Birmingham match, Paddy Powell said to me "Did you see Charlie?" I said, "No, why?" He said "Well at the end of the game he ran straight out of the front of the directors' box and down on to the pitch to celebrate with the players and manager". I've since seen the video evidence of him down there and being hugged by one of the players.
That's all.
Of course, more traditionally he is supposed to be handshaking and commiserating with the away directors. His actions don't seem to me to be those of someone who doesn't really care about the club and rather indicates that his "skin in the game" is a little bit more than just financial.
Anyway, thanks for the write up @Henry Irving.
Keep your bum on the seat in the directors box ffs.3 -
Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.5
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what video?0
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Thank you.PragueAddick said:
I know something about this. I've mentioned this before so apologies to others who've read it before!valleynick66 said:
Still curious what the definition of ‘budget’ is in this context.PragueAddick said:Thanks for such a comprehensive write up @Henry Irving, very generous and collaborative spirit on display there 😉.
If you could pin things on here as you can on Twitter profiles, I'd suggest it should be this comment from CM:
"The EFL provide us with all the other teams budgets in October so we'll know for sure than but based on previous figures we're 4th in first team budget and 5th in wages."Their forecast for the coming season on some key metrics or actual /management accounts for last season or something else?
Also not sure why it’s shared or how it is used.Interesting regardless.
A few years back when I was on the Trust board I went to interview Erik Samuelson, the AFCW fan who was a finance bod and then CEO. He told me about it. The EFL clubs had agreed to share it, but only by division. He explained that it was very useful to set his own player wage budget. It helped them set a budget that would be 4th lowest in the division (then L1) and gave the manager a big incentive to finish 5th bottom. He turned his laptop screen towards me for a nano-second, just eneough for me to see it existed.
But that was I think 8 years ago, and I couldn't remember more details of how it was done, and now CM has filled in the gaps. It is basically the operating budget they submit, and it sounds like their cost-line descriptions are agreed for consistency. The clubs are anonymised but CEO's can guess. Especially this year for club no.1.
Now obviously clubs have to set their budgets for the coming season before this comes out so they use the previous season's data, making their own guesses about the changes based on who was promoted/relegated, and any other info such as new splashy ownership (or new distress, e.g.Reading).
I think it's an excellent idea myself.So to be clear each club shares its actual from last season on some pre defined categories / basis of calculation?
As an example they might quote total playing wages, total transfer fees and say sponsorship income?0 - Sponsored links:
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It's at the end of this, about 2:17 https://x.com/CAFCofficial/status/1843587531280929066Rothko said:what video?4 -
I think it's the budget for the current season that is shared in Octobervalleynick66 said:
Thank you.PragueAddick said:
I know something about this. I've mentioned this before so apologies to others who've read it before!valleynick66 said:
Still curious what the definition of ‘budget’ is in this context.PragueAddick said:Thanks for such a comprehensive write up @Henry Irving, very generous and collaborative spirit on display there 😉.
If you could pin things on here as you can on Twitter profiles, I'd suggest it should be this comment from CM:
"The EFL provide us with all the other teams budgets in October so we'll know for sure than but based on previous figures we're 4th in first team budget and 5th in wages."Their forecast for the coming season on some key metrics or actual /management accounts for last season or something else?
Also not sure why it’s shared or how it is used.Interesting regardless.
A few years back when I was on the Trust board I went to interview Erik Samuelson, the AFCW fan who was a finance bod and then CEO. He told me about it. The EFL clubs had agreed to share it, but only by division. He explained that it was very useful to set his own player wage budget. It helped them set a budget that would be 4th lowest in the division (then L1) and gave the manager a big incentive to finish 5th bottom. He turned his laptop screen towards me for a nano-second, just eneough for me to see it existed.
But that was I think 8 years ago, and I couldn't remember more details of how it was done, and now CM has filled in the gaps. It is basically the operating budget they submit, and it sounds like their cost-line descriptions are agreed for consistency. The clubs are anonymised but CEO's can guess. Especially this year for club no.1.
Now obviously clubs have to set their budgets for the coming season before this comes out so they use the previous season's data, making their own guesses about the changes based on who was promoted/relegated, and any other info such as new splashy ownership (or new distress, e.g.Reading).
I think it's an excellent idea myself.So to be clear each club shares its actual from last season on some pre defined categories / basis of calculation?1 -
Seems unlikely as surely it can be changed? If we suddenly sold someone for £1m in January our budget would increaseHenry Irving said:
I think it's the budget for the current season that is shared in Octobervalleynick66 said:
Thank you.PragueAddick said:
I know something about this. I've mentioned this before so apologies to others who've read it before!valleynick66 said:
Still curious what the definition of ‘budget’ is in this context.PragueAddick said:Thanks for such a comprehensive write up @Henry Irving, very generous and collaborative spirit on display there 😉.
If you could pin things on here as you can on Twitter profiles, I'd suggest it should be this comment from CM:
"The EFL provide us with all the other teams budgets in October so we'll know for sure than but based on previous figures we're 4th in first team budget and 5th in wages."Their forecast for the coming season on some key metrics or actual /management accounts for last season or something else?
Also not sure why it’s shared or how it is used.Interesting regardless.
A few years back when I was on the Trust board I went to interview Erik Samuelson, the AFCW fan who was a finance bod and then CEO. He told me about it. The EFL clubs had agreed to share it, but only by division. He explained that it was very useful to set his own player wage budget. It helped them set a budget that would be 4th lowest in the division (then L1) and gave the manager a big incentive to finish 5th bottom. He turned his laptop screen towards me for a nano-second, just eneough for me to see it existed.
But that was I think 8 years ago, and I couldn't remember more details of how it was done, and now CM has filled in the gaps. It is basically the operating budget they submit, and it sounds like their cost-line descriptions are agreed for consistency. The clubs are anonymised but CEO's can guess. Especially this year for club no.1.
Now obviously clubs have to set their budgets for the coming season before this comes out so they use the previous season's data, making their own guesses about the changes based on who was promoted/relegated, and any other info such as new splashy ownership (or new distress, e.g.Reading).
I think it's an excellent idea myself.So to be clear each club shares its actual from last season on some pre defined categories / basis of calculation?1 -
So you are saying it’s their forecast spend for the current season?Henry Irving said:
I think it's the budget for the current season that is shared in Octobervalleynick66 said:
Thank you.PragueAddick said:
I know something about this. I've mentioned this before so apologies to others who've read it before!valleynick66 said:
Still curious what the definition of ‘budget’ is in this context.PragueAddick said:Thanks for such a comprehensive write up @Henry Irving, very generous and collaborative spirit on display there 😉.
If you could pin things on here as you can on Twitter profiles, I'd suggest it should be this comment from CM:
"The EFL provide us with all the other teams budgets in October so we'll know for sure than but based on previous figures we're 4th in first team budget and 5th in wages."Their forecast for the coming season on some key metrics or actual /management accounts for last season or something else?
Also not sure why it’s shared or how it is used.Interesting regardless.
A few years back when I was on the Trust board I went to interview Erik Samuelson, the AFCW fan who was a finance bod and then CEO. He told me about it. The EFL clubs had agreed to share it, but only by division. He explained that it was very useful to set his own player wage budget. It helped them set a budget that would be 4th lowest in the division (then L1) and gave the manager a big incentive to finish 5th bottom. He turned his laptop screen towards me for a nano-second, just eneough for me to see it existed.
But that was I think 8 years ago, and I couldn't remember more details of how it was done, and now CM has filled in the gaps. It is basically the operating budget they submit, and it sounds like their cost-line descriptions are agreed for consistency. The clubs are anonymised but CEO's can guess. Especially this year for club no.1.
Now obviously clubs have to set their budgets for the coming season before this comes out so they use the previous season's data, making their own guesses about the changes based on who was promoted/relegated, and any other info such as new splashy ownership (or new distress, e.g.Reading).
I think it's an excellent idea myself.So to be clear each club shares its actual from last season on some pre defined categories / basis of calculation?0 -
But the previous years budget would be even less accurate.fenaddick said:
Seems unlikely as surely it can be changed? If we suddenly sold someone for £1m in January our budget would increaseHenry Irving said:
I think it's the budget for the current season that is shared in Octobervalleynick66 said:
Thank you.PragueAddick said:
I know something about this. I've mentioned this before so apologies to others who've read it before!valleynick66 said:
Still curious what the definition of ‘budget’ is in this context.PragueAddick said:Thanks for such a comprehensive write up @Henry Irving, very generous and collaborative spirit on display there 😉.
If you could pin things on here as you can on Twitter profiles, I'd suggest it should be this comment from CM:
"The EFL provide us with all the other teams budgets in October so we'll know for sure than but based on previous figures we're 4th in first team budget and 5th in wages."Their forecast for the coming season on some key metrics or actual /management accounts for last season or something else?
Also not sure why it’s shared or how it is used.Interesting regardless.
A few years back when I was on the Trust board I went to interview Erik Samuelson, the AFCW fan who was a finance bod and then CEO. He told me about it. The EFL clubs had agreed to share it, but only by division. He explained that it was very useful to set his own player wage budget. It helped them set a budget that would be 4th lowest in the division (then L1) and gave the manager a big incentive to finish 5th bottom. He turned his laptop screen towards me for a nano-second, just eneough for me to see it existed.
But that was I think 8 years ago, and I couldn't remember more details of how it was done, and now CM has filled in the gaps. It is basically the operating budget they submit, and it sounds like their cost-line descriptions are agreed for consistency. The clubs are anonymised but CEO's can guess. Especially this year for club no.1.
Now obviously clubs have to set their budgets for the coming season before this comes out so they use the previous season's data, making their own guesses about the changes based on who was promoted/relegated, and any other info such as new splashy ownership (or new distress, e.g.Reading).
I think it's an excellent idea myself.So to be clear each club shares its actual from last season on some pre defined categories / basis of calculation?0 -
huge load of so fucking whatfenaddick said:
It's at the end of this, about 2:17 https://x.com/CAFCofficial/status/1843587531280929066Rothko said:what video?8 -
I think most clubs ' budgets are pretty stable. Both have their inaccuracies and issuesHenry Irving said:
But the previous years budget would be even less accurate.fenaddick said:
Seems unlikely as surely it can be changed? If we suddenly sold someone for £1m in January our budget would increaseHenry Irving said:
I think it's the budget for the current season that is shared in Octobervalleynick66 said:
Thank you.PragueAddick said:
I know something about this. I've mentioned this before so apologies to others who've read it before!valleynick66 said:
Still curious what the definition of ‘budget’ is in this context.PragueAddick said:Thanks for such a comprehensive write up @Henry Irving, very generous and collaborative spirit on display there 😉.
If you could pin things on here as you can on Twitter profiles, I'd suggest it should be this comment from CM:
"The EFL provide us with all the other teams budgets in October so we'll know for sure than but based on previous figures we're 4th in first team budget and 5th in wages."Their forecast for the coming season on some key metrics or actual /management accounts for last season or something else?
Also not sure why it’s shared or how it is used.Interesting regardless.
A few years back when I was on the Trust board I went to interview Erik Samuelson, the AFCW fan who was a finance bod and then CEO. He told me about it. The EFL clubs had agreed to share it, but only by division. He explained that it was very useful to set his own player wage budget. It helped them set a budget that would be 4th lowest in the division (then L1) and gave the manager a big incentive to finish 5th bottom. He turned his laptop screen towards me for a nano-second, just eneough for me to see it existed.
But that was I think 8 years ago, and I couldn't remember more details of how it was done, and now CM has filled in the gaps. It is basically the operating budget they submit, and it sounds like their cost-line descriptions are agreed for consistency. The clubs are anonymised but CEO's can guess. Especially this year for club no.1.
Now obviously clubs have to set their budgets for the coming season before this comes out so they use the previous season's data, making their own guesses about the changes based on who was promoted/relegated, and any other info such as new splashy ownership (or new distress, e.g.Reading).
I think it's an excellent idea myself.So to be clear each club shares its actual from last season on some pre defined categories / basis of calculation?0 -
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.
***Edit, wtf is he on the pitch? Good grief.2 -
Why?ElfsborgAddick said:
He'll be doing team talks next.cafcfan said:I've plonked this here because the thread is getting read and because I thought it shed some new light on Mr Methven.
After the Birmingham match, Paddy Powell said to me "Did you see Charlie?" I said, "No, why?" He said "Well at the end of the game he ran straight out of the front of the directors' box and down on to the pitch to celebrate with the players and manager". I've since seen the video evidence of him down there and being hugged by one of the players.
That's all.
Of course, more traditionally he is supposed to be handshaking and commiserating with the away directors. His actions don't seem to me to be those of someone who doesn't really care about the club and rather indicates that his "skin in the game" is a little bit more than just financial.
Anyway, thanks for the write up @Henry Irving.
Keep your bum on the seat in the directors box ffs.3 -
I know who pays my wages, I would say hello to them in the office and they'd ask me some basic things about my life. That's a good thing, it's nice to know my employer pays some attention to me. It's the same thing.ElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.11 - Sponsored links:
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And more.Rothko said:
huge load of so fucking whatfenaddick said:
It's at the end of this, about 2:17 https://x.com/CAFCofficial/status/1843587531280929066Rothko said:what video?0 -
Yeah because it's a well known fact that clubs where Directors / Owners / Senior management have no connections to the playing staff whatsoever, are that much more successfulElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.6 -
Let's give it two years and continue this conversation.Gribbo said:
Yeah because it's a well known fact that clubs where Directors / Owners / Senior management have no connections to the playing staff whatsoever, are that much more successfulElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.
I do take your point as an aside.1 -
Shocking he's not wearing a Charlton tie3
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Lol, okayElfsborgAddick said:
Let's give it two years and continue this conversation.Gribbo said:
Yeah because it's a well known fact that clubs where Directors / Owners / Senior management have no connections to the playing staff whatsoever, are that much more successfulElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.
I do take your point as an aside.1 -
Yes, the budget. Similar to whát nearly all businesses produce.valleynick66 said:
So you are saying it’s their forecast spend for the current season?Henry Irving said:
I think it's the budget for the current season that is shared in Octobervalleynick66 said:
Thank you.PragueAddick said:
I know something about this. I've mentioned this before so apologies to others who've read it before!valleynick66 said:
Still curious what the definition of ‘budget’ is in this context.PragueAddick said:Thanks for such a comprehensive write up @Henry Irving, very generous and collaborative spirit on display there 😉.
If you could pin things on here as you can on Twitter profiles, I'd suggest it should be this comment from CM:
"The EFL provide us with all the other teams budgets in October so we'll know for sure than but based on previous figures we're 4th in first team budget and 5th in wages."Their forecast for the coming season on some key metrics or actual /management accounts for last season or something else?
Also not sure why it’s shared or how it is used.Interesting regardless.
A few years back when I was on the Trust board I went to interview Erik Samuelson, the AFCW fan who was a finance bod and then CEO. He told me about it. The EFL clubs had agreed to share it, but only by division. He explained that it was very useful to set his own player wage budget. It helped them set a budget that would be 4th lowest in the division (then L1) and gave the manager a big incentive to finish 5th bottom. He turned his laptop screen towards me for a nano-second, just eneough for me to see it existed.
But that was I think 8 years ago, and I couldn't remember more details of how it was done, and now CM has filled in the gaps. It is basically the operating budget they submit, and it sounds like their cost-line descriptions are agreed for consistency. The clubs are anonymised but CEO's can guess. Especially this year for club no.1.
Now obviously clubs have to set their budgets for the coming season before this comes out so they use the previous season's data, making their own guesses about the changes based on who was promoted/relegated, and any other info such as new splashy ownership (or new distress, e.g.Reading).
I think it's an excellent idea myself.So to be clear each club shares its actual from last season on some pre defined categories / basis of calculation?1 -
Gribb's scared of the mighty Elf.Gribbo said:
Lol, okayElfsborgAddick said:
Let's give it two years and continue this conversation.Gribbo said:
Yeah because it's a well known fact that clubs where Directors / Owners / Senior management have no connections to the playing staff whatsoever, are that much more successfulElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.
I do take your point as an aside.
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There is a school of thought that the success / investment in the academy has been to the detriment of the first team over recent years - not saying i agree or disagree with that but i've heard it said quite a few times from people in and around the club and chopping the numbers / costs suggests that its a theory that hasn't been completely dismissed by our owners. We are rightly proud of our academy and i think the new owners are genuine in their ambitions for it but a bit of re shaping with the view to it benefiting the first team more may be under way?? I can't help thinking the women's team could also be vulnerable to a 'prune'oohaahmortimer said:Where do these academy ratings come from , on what basis is it worked out .
Would Lookman be considered part of our successful academy ?
I mean whatever and how amazing the academy is our first team have been utter dog poo for years , surely as a club we should have been doing better on the field first team wise with an academy that’s apparently so successful in the rankings0 -
It has to beblackpool72 said:
Gribb's scared of the mighty Elf.Gribbo said:
Lol, okayElfsborgAddick said:
Let's give it two years and continue this conversation.Gribbo said:
Yeah because it's a well known fact that clubs where Directors / Owners / Senior management have no connections to the playing staff whatsoever, are that much more successfulElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.
I do take your point as an aside.
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Why scared mate?blackpool72 said:
Gribb's scared of the mighty Elf.Gribbo said:
Lol, okayElfsborgAddick said:
Let's give it two years and continue this conversation.Gribbo said:
Yeah because it's a well known fact that clubs where Directors / Owners / Senior management have no connections to the playing staff whatsoever, are that much more successfulElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.
I do take your point as an aside.
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