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  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 25,315
    edited April 16
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around?  . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ? 
    More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd. 

    To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us! 

    The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to become 
    I don’t disagree with most of that . I just hate watching a team that can’t pass the ball to each other on the floor . 
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 3,436
    fenaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    It won’t be popular with some but I think even if we go down we’ll be starting the season with NJ 
    If we do not start next season with Jones, then it will be money taken out of the transfer budget, as he will have to be paid off. 
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,684
    Said it before, he deserves the chance to evolve the team and his tactics, if neither of these things happen it would be fair for people to question his position, at the moment I think it’s just unfair to call for him to go based on what he’s achieved so far. But things will need to evolve no doubt as it’s not going to get any easier to succeed in this division should we stay up.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,411
    Bedsaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around?  . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ? 
    More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd. 

    To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us! 

    The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to become 
    I don’t disagree with most of that . I just hate watching a team that can’t pass the ball to each other on the floor . 
    Do people really think that Jones plan is to keep being a team that doesn’t create any chances? Of course it isn’t. And he absolutely deserves the chance to carry on from the base he’s built and make us a better team 

    And to those doubting he can do it, he literally has done it multiple times, including with us last season. Didn’t hear any complaints about our style of play from January to May last season? From a solid base we became a team that scored goals and won games 
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 14,317
    He's been talking of playing better football once we have the players to achieve it, I think he at least needs next season to try that.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 25,315
    edited April 16
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around?  . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ? 
    More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd. 

    To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us! 

    The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to become 
    I don’t disagree with most of that . I just hate watching a team that can’t pass the ball to each other on the floor . 
    Do people really think that Jones plan is to keep being a team that doesn’t create any chances? Of course it isn’t. And he absolutely deserves the chance to carry on from the base he’s built and make us a better team 

    And to those doubting he can do it,, including with us last season. Didn’t hear any complaints about our style of play from January to May last season? From a solid base we became a team that scored goals and won games 
    You are joking right ? I heard nothing but complaining about the matches . Clean sheets got us promoted not attacking football and as for doing it multiple times . Where ? He certainly didn’t play attractive football at Luton ( yes it was effective) I know many fans who support them as they are my local team and they hated his brand of football and just ask Stoke and Southampton fans what they think of his style . It wasn’t until Rob Edwards took over at Luton did they look a good footballing side . 
  • Sword65pf
    Sword65pf Posts: 1,684
    shine166 said:
    He's been talking of playing better football once we have the players to achieve it, I think he at least needs next season to try that.
    I think the fact he’s publicly said he wants to evolve is encouraging, I’d be concerned if he was telling us he was happy and didn’t need to change anything.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 99,378
    fenaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    It won’t be popular with some but I think even if we go down we’ll be starting the season with NJ 
    I think it would make sense to stick with Jones, it feels a bit like 98/99 and 99/00 under Curbishley at the moment.
    None of the three teams that went down from the Championship this year kept their Manager, and only Cardiff look like getting promoted back at the first attempt... So for those who'll want to see Jones gone... Finding his successor will be easier said than done, but then the last five years we've spent in League One should be plenty of evidence to prove that.

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  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,411
    Bedsaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around?  . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ? 
    More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd. 

    To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us! 

    The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to become 
    I don’t disagree with most of that . I just hate watching a team that can’t pass the ball to each other on the floor . 
    Do people really think that Jones plan is to keep being a team that doesn’t create any chances? Of course it isn’t. And he absolutely deserves the chance to carry on from the base he’s built and make us a better team 

    And to those doubting he can do it,, including with us last season. Didn’t hear any complaints about our style of play from January to May last season? From a solid base we became a team that scored goals and won games 
    You are joking right ? I heard nothing but complaining about the matches . Clean sheets got us promoted not attacking football and as for doing it multiple times . Where ? He certainly didn’t play attractive football at Luton ( yes it was effective) and ask Stoke and Southampton fans what they think of his style . 

    I really don’t remember many complaints at all in the January to May period where we played some good stuff. From late December onwards we scored the joint 2nd most goals in the league and got the 2nd most points. Were you not entertained? 

    He won league 2 with Luton having the highest possession in the league 

    Personally I don’t care about attractive football. I just want a team that creates more chances than the opposition, as that’s how you win more games. The best way to do that on our budget is by playing more direct football, keeping our solid base, but getting better players and improving our existing players in attack and midfield 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 25,315
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around?  . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ? 
    More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd. 

    To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us! 

    The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to become 
    I don’t disagree with most of that . I just hate watching a team that can’t pass the ball to each other on the floor . 
    Do people really think that Jones plan is to keep being a team that doesn’t create any chances? Of course it isn’t. And he absolutely deserves the chance to carry on from the base he’s built and make us a better team 

    And to those doubting he can do it,, including with us last season. Didn’t hear any complaints about our style of play from January to May last season? From a solid base we became a team that scored goals and won games 
    You are joking right ? I heard nothing but complaining about the matches . Clean sheets got us promoted not attacking football and as for doing it multiple times . Where ? He certainly didn’t play attractive football at Luton ( yes it was effective) and ask Stoke and Southampton fans what they think of his style . 

    I really don’t remember many complaints at all in the January to May period where we played some good stuff. From late December onwards we scored the joint 2nd most goals in the league and got the 2nd most points. Were you not entertained? 

    He won league 2 with Luton having the highest possession in the league 

    Personally I don’t care about attractive football. I just want a team that creates more chances than the opposition, as that’s how you win more games. The best way to do that on our budget is by playing more direct football, keeping our solid base, but getting better players and improving our existing players in attack and midfield 
    And when was the last time we converted two of those chances in a game ? 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 5,411
    Bedsaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around?  . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ? 
    More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd. 

    To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us! 

    The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to become 
    I don’t disagree with most of that . I just hate watching a team that can’t pass the ball to each other on the floor . 
    Do people really think that Jones plan is to keep being a team that doesn’t create any chances? Of course it isn’t. And he absolutely deserves the chance to carry on from the base he’s built and make us a better team 

    And to those doubting he can do it,, including with us last season. Didn’t hear any complaints about our style of play from January to May last season? From a solid base we became a team that scored goals and won games 
    You are joking right ? I heard nothing but complaining about the matches . Clean sheets got us promoted not attacking football and as for doing it multiple times . Where ? He certainly didn’t play attractive football at Luton ( yes it was effective) and ask Stoke and Southampton fans what they think of his style . 

    I really don’t remember many complaints at all in the January to May period where we played some good stuff. From late December onwards we scored the joint 2nd most goals in the league and got the 2nd most points. Were you not entertained? 

    He won league 2 with Luton having the highest possession in the league 

    Personally I don’t care about attractive football. I just want a team that creates more chances than the opposition, as that’s how you win more games. The best way to do that on our budget is by playing more direct football, keeping our solid base, but getting better players and improving our existing players in attack and midfield 
    And when was the last time we converted two of those chances in a game ? 
    I’m not saying we are that team yet, we’re miles off it. But that’s what Jones will be aiming to get to over the next few years. We have a solid base, but we need better players in wing back, midfield and attack to be a better attacking team, a different manager would change very little with this group. It’s going to take years to get there, just wish our fans had a bit of realism and patience instead of wanting a new manager every time we don’t win for a few games, thankfully our owners aren’t that silly anymore 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,897
    ForeverAddickted said:
    fenaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    It won’t be popular with some but I think even if we go down we’ll be starting the season with NJ 
    I think it would make sense to stick with Jones, it feels a bit like 98/99 and 99/00 under Curbishley at the moment.
    None of the three teams that went down from the Championship this year kept their Manager, and only Cardiff look like getting promoted back at the first attempt... So for those who'll want to see Jones gone... Finding his successor will be easier said than done, but then the last five years we've spent in League One should be plenty of evidence to prove that.
    You ignore the fact that for us to go down we'd have to have taken probably 3 or fewer points from our last nine games, with a genuinely pretty favourable fixture list. If that happens, you don't just fire the manager, you fire him into the sun, ban him from entering South London again, salt the earth. If we pull off this relegation and they don't sack Jones I am going to turn up and boo us until they do

    If we stay up, Jones 4eva <3
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 6,281
    The last run of games have been beyond poor in terms of getting the points but to even be talking about sacking the Manager is ridiculous imo. Most people thought at the start of the season survival would be success and Im sure that we will not get relegated this season as too many teams below us have too much to do and that just wont happen. However Im also in the school of not wanting to watch the brand of football that we have been subjected to this season but Im hoping that was carried out on a needs must basis in order to survive. Lets remain in the Championship see what the window brings and hopefully develop a more entertaining style of football. If however we do reinforce with just a better class of attritional footballers then its a no from me but time will tell 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 9,587
    I hope all the talk of evolving over the summer is legit. Go and get some genuine pace in this side and evolve the midfield beyond workhorses that run around a lot but can't pick a pass in the main. 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 14,239
    Ben Garner was more progressive than Johnnie Jackson
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,718
    This thread is the most embarrasing one on this forum. How much booze and pills do you need to swallow before lowering your IQ enough to believe NJ should be sacked
  • jonseventyfive
    jonseventyfive Posts: 3,496
    Budgets will once again need to rise,  to supply NJ with better players next season,  as I'm sure the club is well aware. 
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 8,274
    edited April 16
    Chunes said:
    NJ came in and kept us up when relegation looked a certainty. He got us promoted the very next season. Now we're in the Champ with a bottom two budget and haven't been in the bottom three all season.

    Imagine calling for him to be sacked numerous times during this period. Every time there's a bad run... My goodness. 
    I agree with this post apart from “Relegation looked a certainty”
    It was a bad time, we were shit, and relegation was definitely possible, but a certainty? No.

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  • cafc-4-life
    cafc-4-life Posts: 1,354
    lordromford said:
    Chunes said:
    NJ came in and kept us up when relegation looked a certainty. He got us promoted the very next season. Now we're in the Champ with a bottom two budget and haven't been in the bottom three all season.

    Imagine calling for him to be sacked numerous times during this period. Every time there's a bad run... My goodness. 
    I agree with this post apart from “Relegation looked a certainty”
    It was a bad time, we were shit, and relegation was definitely possible, but a certainty? No.
    If we had stayed with Micky Apples, I would say relegation did look a certainty. The run he was having with us and then his later job shows this.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,780
    Think Charlton are the only fanbase who would want their most successful manager in 12 odd years sacked, in the same season where he’s currently exceeding the expectations set on him before the start of the season 
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,718
    Crispywood said:
    Think Charlton are the only fanbase who would want their most successful manager in 12 odd years sacked, in the same season where he’s currently exceeding the expectations set on him before the start of the season 
    Well said
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 18,224
    edited April 16
    lordromford said:
    Chunes said:
    NJ came in and kept us up when relegation looked a certainty. He got us promoted the very next season. Now we're in the Champ with a bottom two budget and haven't been in the bottom three all season.

    Imagine calling for him to be sacked numerous times during this period. Every time there's a bad run... My goodness. 
    I agree with this post apart from “Relegation looked a certainty”
    It was a bad time, we were shit, and relegation was definitely possible, but a certainty? No.
    Appleton was certainly taking us down. NJ took us on a 12-game unbeaten run with a CB pairing of Hector and T. Thomas, one of whom went to the Ballerz league and the other was subsequently relegated to non-league. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,716
    edited April 16
    fenaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    It won’t be popular with some but I think even if we go down we’ll be starting the season with NJ 
    I'm certain of it, unless NJ resigns.
    The owners/board have more sense than some of our fans, with extremely short memories.

    I wonder if they can remember 2 years ago, Appleton in charge, playing in front of a two thirds empty Valley and losing at home to Crawley and many other small clubs.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,658
    fenaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    It won’t be popular with some but I think even if we go down we’ll be starting the season with NJ 
    Arguably, if we went down this season that would be more reason to keep him, next. With this squad and NJ in charge we'd sure be hot favourites to bounce back.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 14,326
    cafcnick1992 said:
    This thread is the most embarrasing one on this forum. How much booze and pills do you need to swallow before lowering your IQ enough to believe NJ should be sacked
    Is this a science led experimental programme you are offering to sponsor (asking for a friend)
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 3,436
    cafcnick1992 said:
    Crispywood said:
    Think Charlton are the only fanbase who would want their most successful manager in 12 odd years sacked, in the same season where he’s currently exceeding the expectations set on him before the start of the season 
    Well said
    What about West Ham.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 27,417
    Bedsaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around?  . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ? 
    I’m not a fan of his tactical approach and the type of football he’s chosen to play this season. I’ve said enough about that. But - if we stay up, he will have earned the right to have a summer of (hopefully supervised) recruitment and until Xmas  at least, assuming we’re not in any serious trouble in the table. If these results and this football continues early into next season then the club will have a decision to make. 
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 2,089
    edited April 17

    Bedsaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    DennisBooth said:
    Like to see him leave in the Summer. I really don’t think he can make us much better. Plus the fact I have bought a S/T for next season and I don’t think I can take another season of anti football.
    I agree . He’s done a great job getting us where we are but the football is appalling and will turn a lot of people off . There must be more progressive managers around?  . We are on a journey as he likes to say but perhaps this is where he gets off the bus ? 
    More progressive football without the squad to do it will put us straight back in league 1. Pompey played some of the best football I’ve seen in league 1 when they got promoted, but when they got to the championship they had to abandon it to stay up. If we got rid of Jones and brought in a manager to play nice football we’ll get relegated next season. If we’d done it this season we would have been nailed on 23rd. 

    To play that football you need a very good budget, so that you have better footballers than the other teams, that’s not us! 

    The teams that over-achieve in the championship play direct football. Look at the teams over-achieving at the top end of the table this season, Millwall, Hull, Derby and Wrexham - all of them are 16th or below for possession. This is what we are aiming to become 
    I don’t disagree with most of that . I just hate watching a team that can’t pass the ball to each other on the floor . 
    Do people really think that Jones plan is to keep being a team that doesn’t create any chances? Of course it isn’t. And he absolutely deserves the chance to carry on from the base he’s built and make us a better team 

    And to those doubting he can do it,, including with us last season. Didn’t hear any complaints about our style of play from January to May last season? From a solid base we became a team that scored goals and won games 
    You are joking right ? I heard nothing but complaining about the matches . Clean sheets got us promoted not attacking football and as for doing it multiple times . Where ? He certainly didn’t play attractive football at Luton ( yes it was effective) I know many fans who support them as they are my local team and they hated his brand of football and just ask Stoke and Southampton fans what they think of his style . It wasn’t until Rob Edwards took over at Luton did they look a good footballing side . 

    My brother in law ( lifelong Luton season ticket holder) mentioned the first season he played more appealing football. It was when they were promoted through the league the tactics changed. He believes because the talent could not play the same passing style higher up the league. Mainly because playing above their 'natural' level. Sees the way we play as very similar.
     Most players we have are playing higher than they ever have, and do not have the consistent level of skill and technique to play around teams with better players.
    If we stay up, I hope we go in for upgrades to players, and if we do it will be interesting to see if Jones changes our style.

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