I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

LargeAddick said:

RonnieMoore said:

IR94 said:

Think he knows tuesday is make or break. 
Yes he could of been backed more, but even his signings with money have been awful,Collins, apter, tanto, kaminski, alli, ahadme all duds and other maybe too. Ironically it’s the players he inherited for the most part that have been the success of his tenure.

Think we are seeing how good Kaminski was and was a major reason we stayed up .. the defence that was our rock just have no confidence in AO in like they did with Kaminski 

Can't work out if you are a WUM or just odd.

Both.

LargeAddick said:

RonnieMoore said:

IR94 said:

Think he knows tuesday is make or break. 
Yes he could of been backed more, but even his signings with money have been awful,Collins, apter, tanto, kaminski, alli, ahadme all duds and other maybe too. Ironically it’s the players he inherited for the most part that have been the success of his tenure.

Think we are seeing how good Kaminski was and was a major reason we stayed up .. the defence that was our rock just have no confidence in AO in like they did with Kaminski 

Can't work out if you are a WUM or just odd.

Both maybe?

If we don't win Tuesday, I think he has to go. One of the most winnable games we have left in the season, and one we should be expecting to win.

If you can't beat fellow strugglers at home, then it's very hard to see where the next win comes from. 

I wonder if Robbie Keane is being sounded out? links to the new CEO from the Maccabi days, plenty of success abroad in his young career.

Knows the English game… personally would be open to trying someone on the up, but would have to be backed properly in Jan.

Trying to search for positives:

We are level on points with Wrexham.
Get 4 points in the next 2 games and we will be back on course.
Better to have this terrible run now, than at the end of the season.
Jones is already trying to be more flexible in terms of selections and formations.
If he comes out of the of the other side of this, he will be a better manager for it.

Huge game on Tuesday. I hope everyone pulls together, this could prove to be a major point in our history.
COYR

I want Nathan to continue as our manager and I guess to do that he has to pick a couple of teams to win or draw the next 2 games.
Before these 'banishment' games he needs to make sure he knows (as best he can) who his guaranteed faithful are and who he thinks may be a traitor and should therefore be murdered.
Despite what happened yesterday I'd have Chalobar in the middle along with Skipp who I think is more faithful than Cov and Knibbs who is more faithful than Sonny.
Up front I'd have Charlie Kelman and TC. 
At the back I'd have Lloydy with Bindon and Bell either side of him, flanked by Danny Mac and Ivan and Arthur in goal.
My 9 other faithful would be Mannion, Billy, Kayne, Mwamba, J R-C, Sonny, Miles, Godden (Micah if Godden not available) and Nkeng.
I'd murder Cov, Grant and Alli from the match day squad.

Sambcafc said:

I find it quite amazing how many fans are suggesting that we can’t find a better manager than Jones as a reason to stick with him. I’m hugely appreciative of what he’s done for this club. But the facts don’t lie this season:

- We are joint bottom of the recent form table (last 6)

- Bottom 3 for xG

- Bottom 3 for goals scored (only Preston on less)

- We’ve conceded 10 more goals than this time last season. 

- Summer business has once again been a bust. 

This is not me trying to be negative about Jones as I have largely wanted him to turn it around but I think we are a sinking ship and those stats show the direction of travel is one way. 

Ultimately he has been the architect of his own downfall. Trying to change to a more attacking and possession based style without bringing in technical midfielders. The likes of which we see play in EVERY other decent championship team. That blame can only be laid at Jones door. Unfortunately we just won’t progress until the % success rate of our signings improves. 

Has anyone he signed this summer been a success? 

Our defence is considerably worse - so on the face of it the defenders haven’t improved us (despite the fact I like Koumetio and Mesik and Dmac). 

In midfield, I don’t see any difference. In fact we are worse because Coady was better than Skipp. Ouma hilariously bad. Nate Chalobah - injured as we all knew he would be, Burke 2.0. 

In attack, this part is laughable. Grant and Alli are so far off it. If these were identified as improvements to our attacking options I need a trial. Nkeng hasn’t played a minute despite the dire form of the above two and will be back on loan in L1 in Jan. Signing Godden back up was a mistake and has proven so. I thought NJ was ruthless? 

I think we have lost leadership from this squad (Coady, Doc) and it’s not been replaced. At this stage if I were the owners I’d make the change now to give the new manager an easier run of games to start and an international break (won’t happen I know). 

Theyre all good points, but none of them mean we will ergo find someone better, it is entirely possible to get someone worse, especially with the lack of financial backing that seems to be happening now, yes NJ cocked up building a team of defenders and hugely overestimated our strikers abilities to consistently nick a goal for a season of 1-0's. The problem will be whoever your assumed improvement of a manager will be will also only have that team full of defenders to work with, NJ messed up the transfers that's what is coming home to roost now, problem is doesn't follow that someone else can fix it.

Sambcafc said:

I find it quite amazing how many fans are suggesting that we can’t find a better manager than Jones as a reason to stick with him. I’m hugely appreciative of what he’s done for this club. But the facts don’t lie this season:

- We are joint bottom of the recent form table (last 6)

- Bottom 3 for xG

- Bottom 3 for goals scored (only Preston on less)

- We’ve conceded 10 more goals than this time last season. 

- Summer business has once again been a bust. 

This is not me trying to be negative about Jones as I have largely wanted him to turn it around but I think we are a sinking ship and those stats show the direction of travel is one way. 

Ultimately he has been the architect of his own downfall. Trying to change to a more attacking and possession based style without bringing in technical midfielders. The likes of which we see play in EVERY other decent championship team. That blame can only be laid at Jones door. Unfortunately we just won’t progress until the % success rate of our signings improves. 

Has anyone he signed this summer been a success? 

Our defence is considerably worse - so on the face of it the defenders haven’t improved us (despite the fact I like Koumetio and Mesik and Dmac). 

In midfield, I don’t see any difference. In fact we are worse because Coady was better than Skipp. Ouma hilariously bad. Nate Chalobah - injured as we all knew he would be, Burke 2.0. 

In attack, this part is laughable. Grant and Alli are so far off it. If these were identified as improvements to our attacking options I need a trial. Nkeng hasn’t played a minute despite the dire form of the above two and will be back on loan in L1 in Jan. Signing Godden back up was a mistake and has proven so. I thought NJ was ruthless? 

I think we have lost leadership from this squad (Coady, Doc) and it’s not been replaced. At this stage if I were the owners I’d make the change now to give the new manager an easier run of games to start and an international break (won’t happen I know). 

Pretty much agree with this and though stats can lie, they don't in this case. Jones was the manager we needed when he came in, but not the manager we need now. Not all his fault, because blame definitely also needs to be placed further up the chain of command, but he hasn't helped himself. But what is clear that change is needed - he seems almost broken and the players don't have any confidence, in themselves and probably not in him either. So if the owners are going to pull the trigger and get someone else in, I just hope it's done in plenty of time before the transfer window so that the new guy can assess the team, work out where he can improve things, identify the guys he needs to do it and hopefully be able to get them in. Making the change in January will almost certainly be too late. My fear though is that the owners don't want to stump up to pay Jones off, and so will waste the next however long haggling terms. Presumably it's a fair old whack, 18 months or so into a five-year contract, and if we're as skint as it appears I doubt it will be a straightforward conversation. Can't see Jones walking for that reason either.

FirenzeAddick said:

I wonder if Robbie Keane is being sounded out? links to the new CEO from the Maccabi days, plenty of success abroad in his young career.

Knows the English game… personally would be open to trying someone on the up, but would have to be backed properly in Jan.

Bring him in as an attacking coach

Just feeling extremely depressed by the whole situation.

Don't believe for what we have there is a better option than Jones. Need someone who can operate on a tiny budget and overperform. That's Jones. But with any appointment there comes a time when it's all too toxic with the fans and/or players and then you have to go, even if the replacement will be worse. Unfortunately it sounds like we're nearing that, barring a couple of results in the next two. 

He's not perfect by any stretch but I lay very little blame for the overall situation at his door. Strong rumours over summer that the board wanted out, slashed the budget etc. That's certainly how it played out and what we spent for where we already were is a complete joke. We only avoid a very difficult relegation season in that scenario if the manager works an absolute miracle.

He grates on me at times, as do some of his decisions, and the football is a tough watch - though I'd say necessarily so given the squad. But I have a lot of sympathy for him and if he does go he'll go with my thanks and a lot of respect.

And we'll still be saddled with a bunch of tw*t owners that aren't willing to do the absolute minimum to give us a fair shot.