I think six people have died from dog attacks since 2007 in the uk six to many of course
Actually quite a lot less than in Canada, but we have a big problem with dangerous dogs on Indian reservations where the majority of deaths are occurring - Huskies seem to be the main culprits breed wise....
We've blamed rottweilers,dobermanns,pitbulls,staffs and now huskies in this country. It's about time we blame the owners and make them fully accountable for raising their pets poorly. Bringing in licensing may just put the little charvla twats off owning a dog to look mean
It's not the dog nor the breed it's the owners and those that should be in control of how and what minimum standards need to be in place to own any breed of dog
Look at mickey who is now with B and tav
Ray done a fantastic job with him but he still had the tenacity to be snappy and aggressive
The fact he is a yorkie meant to an adult the damage he could cause was minimal
However my daughter who is 3 the damage he could have done was incomprehensible to me and therefor I sought advice and assistance and we found a totally agreeable solution
I had a Staffie called JJ and adored him and he was the kindest most loveable dog I have ever owned he was obident and loyal and after also seeking advice from Staffie owners on here he never surprised me with any behaviour trait
Unfortunately JJ had a genetic defect which meant he had no hips when this was discovered unless I could find 20k which I couldnt there was no way I could get the bionic hips he needed to survive a semi active life so I had to do the Humane thing and it broke my heart I had to have him put to sleep
I then had another Staffie called Harvey who was the total opposite to JJ and was extremely challenging and once again I sought expert advice and paid a fair chunk of money for one on one training and also group training , the dog trainer and I saw slight improvements but the dog was highly aggressive to other dogs and humans in certain environments
He bit myself quite severely for no known reason other than he wanted to be somewhere I didnt want him too
He then very soon after tried to attack my wife because she was walking down stairs and he didn't want her too
He then bit a friends son who was 15 at the time and he needed hospital treatment to his arm
Upon consulting the trainer he took Harvey to his farm for a period of time to monitor the situation Harvey but him his helper and 3 other dogs and was classed as dangerous enough was enough for me and we made the decision to make sure no one else got hurt and he was destroyed humanely but I don't consider this to be anything like the decision with JJ as sometimes like in humans you get wrong uns and there is some sort of chemical imbalance in people and animals
Now I have a neighbour who has a collie who has to muzzled as he doesn't seem to like men and can become aggressive
All dog breeds need monitoring and should never be totally trusted or left unsupervised because you think they are fine
I am looking currently at getting a standard schnauzer and I am doing a hell of a lot research into the breed the. Breeder I wish to purchase from and I am actively seeking out members of the schnauzer club of GB on their advice and going to shows to watch and learn
This is in my opinion the most responsible thing to do as I know nothing of the breed other than what you can read on the Internet all potential dog owners should be made to follow a process and register their dogs and shouldn't be allowed to own one until they have shown a dillegance and that they have not gone out on a whim and just got a dog
You should be asked to produce the licence at any time you are out with that dog and the licence should self fund the people needed to police it
If you do not have the licence on you at the time you are requested there should be legislation in place to remove the dog from you if you have not produced it in 7 days
Just looked at the Canadian stats oakster see the rott is top then the Alsatian then the husky would this be because they are the most popular dogs in Canada ?
There is a guy I drive past every morning on my way to work and he is on his pushbike being pulled at speed by his massive wolf. Beautiful dogs but I also see him most evenings on my way home also being pulled, again, at speed by the beast. That is an animal that needs far too much exercise to be a domestic pet!
Very well said NLA, the problem is we know the money they get wouldn't go on policing it. The government won't use the money for that, they will find something else to waste it on and therefore only responsible owners will have a licence and the one's they actually need one will just carry on regardless. I would love stricter policing measures but it just wont happen in this country.
we had a staff a few years back, beautiful dog, never showed any aggresive tendencies but my wife then started working from home with children and we decided it was too much for her & the dog. we found a couple who had recently lost a staff and decided to give the dog over to them. we have since learnt that the twat of of a bloke who now owns him has taught it to be aggresive and unless the dog recognises people it will growl, bark etc. case of the owner ruining the dog.
we've now got a mini schnauzer and my wife still works with children at home. the dog is brilliant with kids and people generally and I would highly recommend that breed to anyone. bit mad when she stares at me for no reason but I can put up with that.
I like the mini schnauzers but to small for me I really like the giant schnauzers but too big for the wife so we have opted for the standard the more I see and read about the breed I fall more in love with them I really can't wait to find the right breeder and move on to owning one
We have been to see a lady in Waltham abbey who is highly regarded and we have put our name on her next litter to be considered for a bitch
The opening poster to this thread is saying make the breed illegal, well I'm sorry but I will calm down when everyone else does. When people stop spurting shit like that. Everyone can come here have their little rant about dangerous dogs.... Well I'm here to defend dog's. No dog is dangerous a birth but any can be in the wrong hands... So what we just destroy all dogs? It's absolutely absurd to starting shouting we should do this or that without even thinking what you are saying. Who decides what's dangerous? Oh the opening poster I guess.
That opening post was made over 4 years ago. The recent horrific events in Manchester, the number of children who have been scarred for life by these weapon dogs in the years since and the statistics quoted by AFKA have only served to harden my views on the matter.
I like the mini schnauzers but to small for me I really like the giant schnauzers but too big for the wife so we have opted for the standard the more I see and read about the breed I fall more in love with them I really can't wait to find the right breeder and move on to owning one
We have been to see a lady in Waltham abbey who is highly regarded and we have put our name on her next litter to be considered for a bitch
Have you a black or pepper salt macronate ??
I've got a minature schnauzer. She's a brilliant dog. Been surrounded by kids all her life and now my little girls here she sits next to wherever the baby is as if she's protecting. Amazing breed they are.
Must say those stats really surprised me. Basically saying from when your little un is born, by the time they turn ten then 5,000 kids will have needed plastic surgery after being attacked by dogs in the UK. I don't see how anyone who has kids can't see that as a shocking statistic.
Just wonder how much more people think the rate of attacks continue to go up every year until something is done ?
I was attacked twice as a kid by dogs, hospitalised once. I don't expect every owner to be of the standard and efficiency that TCE clearly is, but I would like to see some form of registration, and course / qualification necessary before people can own a dog. Any dog.
The sad fact is what Oakster quotes above re the Canadian laws would never work here simply because the scum bags that have the trophy dogs do not have jobs or the money to pay the fines.
I was unlucky enough to stumble upon "locked up" the other night whilst channel hopping and blokes on there were assulting wives & girlfriends, smashing up their property and doing all sorts of things and after a night banged up all they got was a telling off, one bloke even got a lift home in a police car when they let him out his cell.
The stat is shocking dan it's down right horrific but along with the stabbings and shootings it's all down to poor punishments issued out by the laws of the land
Red in Se8 your on the wind up so obvious you may as well give up
The stat is shocking dan it's down right horrific but along with the stabbings and shootings it's all down to poor punishments issued out by the laws of the land
Red in Se8 your on the wind up so obvious you may as well give up
Cruel? At the start it maybe necessarily the only option, given the the results should it not wear one.
Muzzle a dog because............ 1, It dont like other dogs and is likely to bite them. 2, It dont like people and its likely to bite them.
So as humans what do we do, we walk them at silly o/clock to lessen the chances of meeting anyone, When the opposite is really what we should be doing, socialising them, getting them around people and dogs,
Depends what breed of dog it is and what the child was doing to it!
I blame the owners of the dogs rather than the dogs themselves.
That is the defence used by the gun lobby in the USA. 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people.' I really do not think that argument has any merit whatsoever.
A dog with an irresponsible owner can go off without it's owner.
A gun with an irresponsible owner cannot go off on it's own.
Have no views either way just wanted to point out your your statement didnt make sense to me.
How many more kids have to be mauled and killed before ownership of dangerous breeds of dogs is made illegal and every single such dog in the coumtry is put down? If I obtained a license I believe I could own a gun. But I am sure it is against the law to walk around the streets with it. Ownership of such dogs is like carrying a lethal weapon in public and there is absolutely no justification for it.
Resurected this and Reds original post in the light of the tragic and frightening events yesterday in Manchester to the poor 14 year old girl Jade Anderson. RIP Jade. Surely it's about time that this problem is seriously looked at. I am a dog owner and am disgusted by the attitude of some owners in relation to the way they care and choose the breeds. Something has to be done.
Dogs need to be licensed and chipped with the chip identified by the licence. Cost should be high but reasonable. Owners should be at risk of high penalties of their dogs are out of control, with persistence being threatened with jail time. Not having a licence should be accompanied by high fines - at least multiple 5 figures
Kap.
Lots of good points well raised, can I ask you the same questions I asked a reputable breeder when suggested returning to the Dog Licence?
So I have to buy a licence for my dogs (Lets make up a figure of £500 for life) I decide I'm not buying one because, Skint/cant be bothered/etc.
Who polices it? Is it not an offence to drive a car without a licence and they cant catch up with those.
I have no idea what the solution is, but if people didnt buy/swop from freeads, gumtree, loot, shop windows etc, that would certainly help. These people are driven by greed and we by buying from from them are endorsing it. They do no health checks, no nothing........... If you turn up to see a puppy and cant see at least Mum and Dad then turn around a walk away. Incidently, chipping and tattooing is a must and both mine are, but how do police it if someone decides not too?
Equally good point and one that actually has wider resonance in society. there are many offenses which could be policed if the revenue that they raise through licence fees, fines etc, went on policing the offence. However, i am not so naive as to believe that policing dogs would be any different. A large number of potential dog owners would be put off by a recurring licence fee set at a reasonable, not prohibitive level, if they are not willing to pay that then they are not going to be "worthy" owners. Of course there will also be those that don't buy the licence and they will probably be the worst perpetrators.
No dog is safe 100%, but responsible owners take care, train their dogs and also avoid situations which could possibly cause problems. I have had until 3 years ago border collies for 24 years. Lovely dogs, trust them as much as I could, but would never leave them alone with the children when they were little and kept them under strict control if they were out, even off lead in the park. The only time my kids were ever bitten was by my in laws jack russell, because they were allowed to chase the dogs into a tight corner.
Any person leaving a child alone with a dog is a fool and I include my own dogs it that, Bailey is trained to a standard where he is allowed be in young childrens company, even so I am constantly on my guard as we found at the recent meeting with the upbeats. Brought to my attention while going through the photos in the evening one child in his excitement to hug him poked Bailey in the eye with his finger. The second photo shows Bailey clearly in discomfort. That is all it takes one second..........
The stat is shocking dan it's down right horrific but along with the stabbings and shootings it's all down to poor punishments issued out by the laws of the land
Red in Se8 your on the wind up so obvious you may as well give up
In my experience Red in SE8 is not a wind up merchant.
He sometimes (often) takes an opposite stance to me but I've always felt his opinions are sincerely held and thus worthy of respect even if I disagree.
The opening poster to this thread is saying make the breed illegal, well I'm sorry but I will calm down when everyone else does. When people stop spurting shit like that. Everyone can come here have their little rant about dangerous dogs.... Well I'm here to defend dog's. No dog is dangerous a birth but any can be in the wrong hands... So what we just destroy all dogs? It's absolutely absurd to starting shouting we should do this or that without even thinking what you are saying. Who decides what's dangerous? Oh the opening poster I guess.
That opening post was made over 4 years ago. The recent horrific events in Manchester, the number of children who have been scarred for life by these weapon dogs in the years since and the statistics quoted by AFKA have only served to harden my views on the matter.
It doesn't matter when it was made.... You didn't answer my question. Do we destroy all dogs or just the ones you think are to blame? Whether my dog is the softest dog in the world is irrelevant, destroy it just because some people don't look after theirs. Attitudes like that make me sick. So you make staffs illegal!! they move onto a new breed. You make that illegal, they move onto another one. Do you not see what you are saying is not much short of stupid?
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Actually quite a lot less than in Canada, but we have a big problem with dangerous dogs on Indian reservations where the majority of deaths are occurring - Huskies seem to be the main culprits breed wise....
Look at mickey who is now with B and tav
Ray done a fantastic job with him but he still had the tenacity to be snappy and aggressive
The fact he is a yorkie meant to an adult the damage he could cause was minimal
However my daughter who is 3 the damage he could have done was incomprehensible to me and therefor I sought advice and assistance and we found a totally agreeable solution
I had a Staffie called JJ and adored him and he was the kindest most loveable dog I have ever owned he was obident and loyal and after also seeking advice from Staffie owners on here he never surprised me with any behaviour trait
Unfortunately JJ had a genetic defect which meant he had no hips when this was discovered unless I could find 20k which I couldnt there was no way I could get the bionic hips he needed to survive a semi active life so I had to do the Humane thing and it broke my heart I had to have him put to sleep
I then had another Staffie called Harvey who was the total opposite to JJ and was extremely challenging and once again I sought expert advice and paid a fair chunk of money for one on one training and also group training , the dog trainer and I saw slight improvements but the dog was highly aggressive to other dogs and humans in certain environments
He bit myself quite severely for no known reason other than he wanted to be somewhere I didnt want him too
He then very soon after tried to attack my wife because she was walking down stairs and he didn't want her too
He then bit a friends son who was 15 at the time and he needed hospital treatment to his arm
Upon consulting the trainer he took Harvey to his farm for a period of time to monitor the situation Harvey but him his helper and 3 other dogs and was classed as dangerous enough was enough for me and we made the decision to make sure no one else got hurt and he was destroyed humanely but I don't consider this to be anything like the decision with JJ as sometimes like in humans you get wrong uns and there is some sort of chemical imbalance in people and animals
Now I have a neighbour who has a collie who has to muzzled as he doesn't seem to like men and can become aggressive
All dog breeds need monitoring and should never be totally trusted or left unsupervised because you think they are fine
I am looking currently at getting a standard schnauzer and I am doing a hell of a lot research into the breed the. Breeder I wish to purchase from and I am actively seeking out members of the schnauzer club of GB on their advice and going to shows to watch and learn
This is in my opinion the most responsible thing to do as I know nothing of the breed other than what you can read on the Internet all potential dog owners should be made to follow a process and register their dogs and shouldn't be allowed to own one until they have shown a dillegance and that they have not gone out on a whim and just got a dog
You should be asked to produce the licence at any time you are out with that dog and the licence should self fund the people needed to police it
If you do not have the licence on you at the time you are requested there should be legislation in place to remove the dog from you if you have not produced it in 7 days
Good luck with your next dog mate.
we've now got a mini schnauzer and my wife still works with children at home. the dog is brilliant with kids and people generally and I would highly recommend that breed to anyone. bit mad when she stares at me for no reason but I can put up with that.
We have been to see a lady in Waltham abbey who is highly regarded and we have put our name on her next litter to be considered for a bitch
Have you a black or pepper salt macronate ??
i know what you're saying about them being too small and I feel a bit of a plum walking her sometimes with her pink lead.
got ours from a breeder in Essex, my wife did a lot of research beforehand and made a great choice.
Erith be running wild with Wolves soon.
Just wonder how much more people think the rate of attacks continue to go up every year until something is done ?
I was attacked twice as a kid by dogs, hospitalised once. I don't expect every owner to be of the standard and efficiency that TCE clearly is, but I would like to see some form of registration, and course / qualification necessary before people can own a dog. Any dog.
I was unlucky enough to stumble upon "locked up" the other night whilst channel hopping and blokes on there were assulting wives & girlfriends, smashing up their property and doing all sorts of things and after a night banged up all they got was a telling off, one bloke even got a lift home in a police car when they let him out his cell.
Red in Se8 your on the wind up so obvious you may as well give up
Red in Se8 your on the wind up so obvious you may as well give up
At the start it maybe necessarily the only option, given the the results should it not wear one.
Muzzle a dog because............
1, It dont like other dogs and is likely to bite them.
2, It dont like people and its likely to bite them.
So as humans what do we do, we walk them at silly o/clock to lessen the chances of meeting anyone, When the opposite is really what we should be doing, socialising them, getting them around people and dogs,
A dog with an irresponsible owner can go off without it's owner.
A gun with an irresponsible owner cannot go off on it's own.
Have no views either way just wanted to point out your your statement didnt make sense to me.
He sometimes (often) takes an opposite stance to me but I've always felt his opinions are sincerely held and thus worthy of respect even if I disagree.
ps. Shock horror.....Border Collies are the most likely to bite and pure bred Staffs are the least likely.