We hate Benny Fenton and the millwall den
love Theo Foley and the covered end
took Manchest United and beat up the kop
coz we are the Charlton bootboys
We hate Benny Fenton and the millwall den
love Theo Foley and the covered end
took Manchest United and beat up the kop
coz we are the Charlton bootboys
Pathetic really that I still remember the words.
I remember this one sung to the same tune
We hate Andy Pandy and we hate Bill and Ben
we hate Ken Dodd and his diddy men
we don't give a toss and we don't give a w*nk
we took the Arsenal north bank
How comes Chris from Sidcup, Johnnybev etc ain't on this thread throwing a tantrum about naughty Charlton lads and how they are scum? Probably say it's Millwall's fault.
If a few if you were active back in the day, any of you got any decent stories from the 60's to 80's?
[cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]How comes Chris from Sidcup, Johnnybev etc ain't on this thread throwing a tantrum about naughty Charlton lads and how they are scum? Probably say it's Millwall's fault.
If a few if you were active back in the day, any of you got any decent stories from the 60's to 80's?
They probably will now you've shown up...
And you're right about the spanners being a bad influence...
My mate at school was a staunch Spanner fan and he once persuaded me to bunk off school to take in an evening game at Swindon around 1968/69, we got a lift down in what can only be described as a cattle truck and it was so tightly packed you couldn't fart without your ankles swelling up...
We stopped off at some boozer for a pit stop, a quick punch up and back on the truck and off again, the match was complete mayhem, don't think I saw any of the game, Spanners got beat and it all carried on outside for ages, the journey home was just as eventful and we got dropped off in Camberwell about twelve O'clock and we had to walk home to Woolwich, when I got in the old lady when right off it and started lacing into me with a shovel better than any of the Swindon mob did...
It was my first real adventure of being 'active' as you put it, gave me the taste as it were and now I come to think of it, totally Millwall's fault...
The funny thing was my mate was one of the quietest and unassuming blokes you could ever meet, lived with his gran who he doted on, always did his homework, a right swot, once we got to the game he was like a complete nutter, I was completely gobsmacked...
They say it's the quiet ones you've got to watch out for...
Sparrows - chasing 40 Millwall out of the Valley back in 80-81 when we played Barnsley was pretty good as I remember it. Having realised they weren't going to be able to get away with bullying us in the Covered End (this time), they congregated around the Barnsley fans hoping to swell their numbers. We came around the ground and Barnsley weren't interested. Millwall began to melt and it turned into a full scale scarper! The sight of a number of them trying to climb the muddy hill behind Valley Grove in their black shoes, Farah slacks and Gabbicci jumpers will never leave me. Gold chains bouncing up and down as they clawed at the mud to get away. Your boys never came back to Valley again for a non-Millwall match after that.
RedZed - I have found the majority of lads aren't the lairy ones on a Friday night who cause fights and are gentlemen/decent people in most other aspects of life...but go to the football and a switch flicks inside them, anger, passion etc that doesn't boil over during the week does on a Saturday! Strange!
Cardinal - was it 77 when 'wall turned up at the Valley when you played Spurs? Made infamous on the panorama doc, not many wall there.
How many Charlton were going after the 40 Millwall? Was that a Friday night game? Funnily enough I bought a Gabbicci polo shirt the other month!
[quote][cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]RedZed - I have found the majority of lads aren't the lairy ones on a Friday night who cause fights and are gentlemen/decent people in most other aspects of life...but go to the football and a switch flicks inside them, anger, passion etc that doesn't boil over during the week does on a Saturday! Strange!
Cardinal - was it 77 when 'wall turned up at the Valley when you played Spurs? Made infamous on the panorama doc, not many wall there.
How many Charlton were going after the 40 Millwall? Was that a Friday night game? Funnily enough I bought a Gabbicci polo shirt the other month![/quote]
The Barnsley match was a Saturday although the regular Millwall turn-up was usually night matches. Spurs was '77, although I know most of those involved were Charlton fans but you know what it's like when a dozen Millwall fans get amongst it - "MILL-WALL!" Millwall had a much better turnout at the Valley for a Newcastle game around the same time, where I saw three of four hundred Geordies being run back into the ground having left early for trouble having taken a four-nil hammering. Happy days.
[cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]RedZed - I have found the majority of lads aren't the lairy ones on a Friday night who cause fights and are gentlemen/decent people in most other aspects of life...but go to the football and a switch flicks inside them, anger, passion etc that doesn't boil over during the week does on a Saturday! Strange!
Cardinal - was it 77 when 'wall turned up at the Valley when you played Spurs? Made infamous on the panorama doc, not many wall there.
How many Charlton were going after the 40 Millwall? Was that a Friday night game? Funnily enough I bought a Gabbicci polo shirt the other month!
The Barnsley match was a Saturday although the regular Millwall turn-up was usually night matches. Spurs was '77, although I know most of those involved were Charlton fans but you know what it's like when a dozen Millwall fans get amongst it - "MILL-WALL!" Millwall had a much better turnout at the Valley for a Newcastle game around the same time, where I saw three of four hundred Geordies being run back into the ground having left early for trouble having taken a four-nil hammering. Happy days.
Millwall had turned up at Ipswich for our cup match the previous Saturday and got their arse's kicked. That's why they came along to the Barnsley match looking for revenge but as Cardinal said they came unstuck again. When we played Millwall in the league a few weeks later on a Tuesday night, they were out in force and we were nowhere to be seen. Remember them coming to look for us in Eltham after the match because they knew a lot of our top boys in those days drank in the Man of Kent and the Castle.
[cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]If you have read Andy Nicholls (Everton scally hooli) book, A-Z, I wrote a fair amount of the Charlton content, I am no longer active.
[cite]Posted By: Sparrows Lane Lion[/cite]RedZed - I have found the majority of lads aren't the lairy ones on a Friday night who cause fights and are gentlemen/decent people in most other aspects of life...but go to the football and a switch flicks inside them, anger, passion etc that doesn't boil over during the week does on a Saturday! Strange!
Cardinal - was it 77 when 'wall turned up at the Valley when you played Spurs? Made infamous on the panorama doc, not many wall there.
How many Charlton were going after the 40 Millwall? Was that a Friday night game? Funnily enough I bought a Gabbicci polo shirt the other month!
The Barnsley match was a Saturday although the regular Millwall turn-up was usually night matches. Spurs was '77, although I know most of those involved were Charlton fans but you know what it's like when a dozen Millwall fans get amongst it - "MILL-WALL!" Millwall had a much better turnout at the Valley for a Newcastle game around the same time, where I saw three of four hundred Geordies being run back into the ground having left early for trouble having taken a four-nil hammering. Happy days.
Millwall had turned up at Ipswich for our cup match the previous Saturday and got their arse's kicked. That's why they came along to the Barnsley match looking for revenge but as Cardinal said they came unstuck again. When we played Millwall in the league a few weeks later on a Tuesday night, they were out in force and we were nowhere to be seen. Remember them coming to look for us in Eltham after the match because they knew a lot of our top boys in those days drank in the Man of Kent and the Castle.
The Ipswich & Barnsley games, how many did Charlton have out? Or was it equal numbers going at it? Did Charlton ever take it away much, or was you mainly strong on your own patch? Certainly a respected tight mob from those who know.
Sparrow your boring mate, dont see how you brought me into it i have never said anything about Millwall always starting it i just dont like milwall. have plenty of mates who are millwall unfortunately but couldn't care less if they have a scrap or not, doesn't bother me the slightest love football factory just think those that fight should arrange a place and fight with each other rather then picking on people who dont
I find it interesting to be honest. The books by 'Scally' are pretty hardcore, but they show how it was back then for some blokes. If you go on his website, he acutally now works with the policing authorities and raises money for charity.
Arent most factual books read on the basis of 'getting off' to a certain degree, and understanding what went on?
Most of those books are so naff its not true. One "written" by a Chelsea face wasnt actually written by him at all.
Some are no more than a series of peoples collective memories.The book DA9 mentions is a first class example a few people asked to comment and someone puts it in print.
However if you are intrested in football/youth culture etc etc then you cant deny that the hooligan was apiece of yooth culture for a few decades. Clothes and style also played a huge part not just people geting a clump.
A great many of yesterdays hoolies still go as do their kids and their kids in some cases.
[cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]If you have read Andy Nicholls (Everton scally hooli) book, A-Z, I wrote a fair amount of the Charlton content, I am no longer active.
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I remember this one sung to the same tune
We hate Andy Pandy and we hate Bill and Ben
we hate Ken Dodd and his diddy men
we don't give a toss and we don't give a w*nk
we took the Arsenal north bank
The firestarters have aged a bit now.
linky
LOL love it
Talking of the todderlers lol
:-)
If a few if you were active back in the day, any of you got any decent stories from the 60's to 80's?
And you're right about the spanners being a bad influence...
My mate at school was a staunch Spanner fan and he once persuaded me to bunk off school to take in an evening game at Swindon around 1968/69, we got a lift down in what can only be described as a cattle truck and it was so tightly packed you couldn't fart without your ankles swelling up...
We stopped off at some boozer for a pit stop, a quick punch up and back on the truck and off again, the match was complete mayhem, don't think I saw any of the game, Spanners got beat and it all carried on outside for ages, the journey home was just as eventful and we got dropped off in Camberwell about twelve O'clock and we had to walk home to Woolwich, when I got in the old lady when right off it and started lacing into me with a shovel better than any of the Swindon mob did...
It was my first real adventure of being 'active' as you put it, gave me the taste as it were and now I come to think of it, totally Millwall's fault...
The funny thing was my mate was one of the quietest and unassuming blokes you could ever meet, lived with his gran who he doted on, always did his homework, a right swot, once we got to the game he was like a complete nutter, I was completely gobsmacked...
They say it's the quiet ones you've got to watch out for...
Cardinal - was it 77 when 'wall turned up at the Valley when you played Spurs? Made infamous on the panorama doc, not many wall there.
How many Charlton were going after the 40 Millwall? Was that a Friday night game? Funnily enough I bought a Gabbicci polo shirt the other month!
Cardinal - was it 77 when 'wall turned up at the Valley when you played Spurs? Made infamous on the panorama doc, not many wall there.
How many Charlton were going after the 40 Millwall? Was that a Friday night game? Funnily enough I bought a Gabbicci polo shirt the other month![/quote]
The Barnsley match was a Saturday although the regular Millwall turn-up was usually night matches. Spurs was '77, although I know most of those involved were Charlton fans but you know what it's like when a dozen Millwall fans get amongst it - "MILL-WALL!" Millwall had a much better turnout at the Valley for a Newcastle game around the same time, where I saw three of four hundred Geordies being run back into the ground having left early for trouble having taken a four-nil hammering. Happy days.
Millwall had turned up at Ipswich for our cup match the previous Saturday and got their arse's kicked. That's why they came along to the Barnsley match looking for revenge but as Cardinal said they came unstuck again. When we played Millwall in the league a few weeks later on a Tuesday night, they were out in force and we were nowhere to be seen. Remember them coming to look for us in Eltham after the match because they knew a lot of our top boys in those days drank in the Man of Kent and the Castle.
I have that book is a good read very meaty.
The Ipswich & Barnsley games, how many did Charlton have out? Or was it equal numbers going at it? Did Charlton ever take it away much, or was you mainly strong on your own patch? Certainly a respected tight mob from those who know.
Sorry DA9, not read what you wrote in that book and have no doubt that it is true as you were there but those books are like top shelf mags.
Mostly read by people who want to get off on the stories and then re-tell them with all the details of who did what, how many, etc etc.
Arent most factual books read on the basis of 'getting off' to a certain degree, and understanding what went on?
Some are no more than a series of peoples collective memories.The book DA9 mentions is a first class example a few people asked to comment and someone puts it in print.
However if you are intrested in football/youth culture etc etc then you cant deny that the hooligan was apiece of yooth culture for a few decades. Clothes and style also played a huge part not just people geting a clump.
A great many of yesterdays hoolies still go as do their kids and their kids in some cases.
Didnt realise that was you mate...
:-)
Did the B mob book ever get off the ground?