Loved him at The Valley, but PdC is a total lunatic. He won't last 12 months. He's perfect Sky Sports News fodder. The press conferences will be hilarious, there'll be some ridiculous short term controversy, then someone at Sunderland will realise he's mental, fire him and realise the damage is done.
His brand of insanity as a player, but as a manager it won't wash. Swindon enjoyed the attention he brought. Sunderland won't.
Good use of the words mental and insanity. What qualifies you ?
I need qualifications to pass an opinion on a football forum? Are you f****** serious?
With such an understanding of Mental Health issues I just assumed you worked for a social care provider or something similar.
It's like saying he was disabled or, as it was put previously by one of our players on Twitter, a Downy - classy that was.
No it's not, you buffoon. Get over yourself. *apologies to all up-tight buffoons out there who might take offence*
Loved him at The Valley, but PdC is a total lunatic. He won't last 12 months. He's perfect Sky Sports News fodder. The press conferences will be hilarious, there'll be some ridiculous short term controversy, then someone at Sunderland will realise he's mental, fire him and realise the damage is done.
His brand of insanity as a player, but as a manager it won't wash. Swindon enjoyed the attention he brought. Sunderland won't.
Good use of the words mental and insanity. What qualifies you ?
I need qualifications to pass an opinion on a football forum? Are you f****** serious?
With such an understanding of Mental Health issues I just assumed you worked for a social care provider or something similar.
It's like saying he was disabled or, as it was put previously by one of our players on Twitter, a Downy - classy that was.
No it's not, you buffoon. Get over yourself. *apologies to all up-tight buffoons out there who might take offence*
I bow to your superior knowledge and experience of such things.
it's interesting that a "multi cultural" society only accepts those with more left leaning politically. Isn't the point of multiculturalism to accept each others personal and private views? I really don't think he's a racist, a fascist - maybe sure. But the two can be mutually exclusive.
Couldn't agree more Kentaddick. I think ultimately we are just witnessing typically sensationalist (and lazy) media coverage and that at present there is no actual evidence of PDC being a racist. If it was to come out that he had been racially abusing his players then I would agree there would be no place for him in football. At present though I see no reason why the guy shouldn't be left to do his job.
We all come across people whose ideals we might not entirely agree with but as long as those ideals dont articulate themselves to the detriment of humanity, then it should be the way of the modern world to respect them and leave them be. It is also hypocrisy to berate someone with extreme political views on one side of the spectrum because history tells us that both right and left have their own extensive tales of repression and inhumanity. On the basis of how PDC has been treated the next time someone comes out and shouts out support of the extreme left, we should as a society treat them equally as negatively but something tells me that wouldn't happen.
Purely from a footballing perspective PCD deserves respect- he was genius. Two moments that stand out for me from his time at CAFC. The first was Pompey away where for 70 mins Deano had somehow kept us only 1-0 down, PDC came on, changed the game and we won 2-1. The second was the 4-2 Chelsea game during which he was our best player. I will never forget that day a perfect 70 yard pass across the pitch he hit with his second touch having got the ball facing the dugout. Unbelievable.
Aside of PDC's political views i wouldn't want him at our club. He is Captain Chaos in the flesh. No way will he stay at Sunderland for long without upsetting someone. Too many Billy big bollocks in their dressing room, which is something he wouldnt have had to face at Swindon. I see a car crash waiting to happen. I dont dislike Paolo, just see him as a little bit too passionate, to keep harmony throughout. That said Andy Hinchliffe was on this morning, saying what a top bloke he was, good for a laugh and dedicated as a team player. Who knows, but if he goes the way of most manager's he'll be unemployed before Xmas.
And this is the person most wanted to lead "the working man's party"
No, that was his brother...
Pay attention.
I think you're the one who needs to pay attention young man. David Miliband was always the favourite until Ed got into Bed with the Reds........ And you a Leftie too! Tut-tut.
Will someone tell BFR that his account has been hacked please!
Nothing wrong with my account, but does there appears to be something awry with your ability to determine the difference from the person who won the most votes in an election and the person who came second.
Of course you could just say that you neglected to engage your brain before pressing send...
Will someone tell BFR that his account has been hacked please!
Nothing wrong with my account, but does there appears to be something awry with your ability to determine the difference from the person who won the most votes in an election and the person who came second.
Of course you could just say that you neglected to engage your brain before pressing send...
You know very well that Ed was voted in by the union block vote, he was second to his brother in the 'one member one vote' Labour party and labour MP vote. David is a clever and effective politician, Ed is a spoilt brat (in my opinion) .. But really It makes no difference to me, I regard the entire Miliband family as a bunch of charlatans
You know very well that Ed was voted in by the union block vote, he was second to his brother in the 'one member one vote' Labour party and labour MP vote.
So in total did he win more votes than David Milliband?
You know very well that Ed was voted in by the union block vote, he was second to his brother in the 'one member one vote' Labour party and labour MP vote.
So in total did he win more votes than David Milliband?
That is not what was said is it?
Read the thread and when in a hole, stop digging.
Or alternatively I'll explain, maybe you were on holiday at the time? Kentaddick said that David was the man most wanted to win the Labour leadership.
Correct.
DAVID Miliband was favourite to win, more PEOPLE wanted him. I don't have the figures in front of me but I'm pretty sure that throughout the election more MP's voted for David and more individual party members did until the very last round when it was clear that the other Ed's (Balls) voters would switch to Ed.
Ed had done a deal with the Trades Unions and got their support and vote.
Ok now?
And I always thought you followed politics? I used to read your comments with interest as although I normally disagreed you had interesting points, don't think I'll bother anymore.
Err it was - most people wanted Ed not David to lead the Labour party. At least that's what I would conclude from Ed actually winning more votes. You appear to be confusing the word "favourite" with what actually happened.
Read the thread and when in a hole, stop digging.
The irony...
I used to read your comments with interest as although I normally disagreed you had interesting points, don't think I'll bother anymore.
Occasionally on this forum the threads sometimes move away from the original subject. Especially when the more pedantic of us come on and try to be clever. Always very satisfying, as on this occasion, to put them in their place.
Occasionally on this forum the threads sometimes move away from the original subject. Especially when the more pedantic of us come on and try to be clever. Always very satisfying, as on this occasion, to put them in their place.
Occasionally on this forum the threads sometimes move away from the original subject. Especially when the more pedantic of us come on and try to be clever. Always very satisfying, as on this occasion, to put them in their place.
He was one of the most influential players in probably the best Charlton team I've ever seen. I think he's great. He really put in 100% and like Johnny Robinson looked ready to die if necessary to win a game. What more can a supporter want then that.
As for his political views, I can't say I like them, but at least he has the guts to come and and admit what he believes. Some people seem to want to push others aside when they state what they believe in ironically a similar fashion to the eradication of a race of humanity. It reminds me of the ridiculous sacking of Hoddle who was basically sacked for believing in re-incarnation. These kind of reactions show the worst side of Britain's 'holier than thou' attitudes.
I believe he will succeed because he does everything with conviction. Players who want to win will fight for him and those with a losing mentality will be eradicated. His kind of management is a kind of survival of the fittest and strongest. It might not work when a leader of a society (e.G. Mussolini or Hitler) employs these methods but it will bloody well work for a football team. The players will play for him like the Forest players played for Clough.
Powell has said PDC will live or die by his past comments - not a great reference from such a "good friend'. Meant we were lead story on R5L sports news at 11.30...
it's interesting that a "multi cultural" society only accepts those with more left leaning politically. Isn't the point of multiculturalism to accept each others personal and private views? I really don't think he's a racist, a fascist - maybe sure. But the two can be mutually exclusive.
Couldn't agree more Kentaddick. I think ultimately we are just witnessing typically sensationalist (and lazy) media coverage and that at present there is no actual evidence of PDC being a racist. If it was to come out that he had been racially abusing his players then I would agree there would be no place for him in football. At present though I see no reason why the guy shouldn't be left to do his job.
We all come across people whose ideals we might not entirely agree with but as long as those ideals dont articulate themselves to the detriment of humanity, then it should be the way of the modern world to respect them and leave them be. It is also hypocrisy to berate someone with extreme political views on one side of the spectrum because history tells us that both right and left have their own extensive tales of repression and inhumanity. On the basis of how PDC has been treated the next time someone comes out and shouts out support of the extreme left, we should as a society treat them equally as negatively but something tells me that wouldn't happen.
Purely from a footballing perspective PCD deserves respect- he was genius. Two moments that stand out for me from his time at CAFC. The first was Pompey away where for 70 mins Deano had somehow kept us only 1-0 down, PDC came on, changed the game and we won 2-1. The second was the 4-2 Chelsea game during which he was our best player. I will never forget that day a perfect 70 yard pass across the pitch he hit with his second touch having got the ball facing the dugout. Unbelievable.
The idea that the extreme left are in some way favoured and would not be criticised in similar circumstances is bollox. There is far more right wing bias in the press, but even they stop at supporting fascists.
I don't think people realise how extreme Fascism is actually is...
And to people believing this is only because it's a right-wing view, if someone came out with Communist or Anarchist views i'm sure they'd be treated exactly the same.
Even if PDC really is 'only' fascist and not racist, the fact remains that Fascism as a political perspective and personal mindset does not and will not lead to a society of equality and fairness. Nazism was originally a form of fascism, even Mussolini who is relatively 'moderate' was a racist, homophobic bigot more than happy to wipe out 'undesirables.' PDC was an excellent player, and may yet be a good manager, and I will not say that he does not have the right to his views... but to me, they are reprehensible.
Even if PDC really is 'only' fascist and not racist, the fact remains that Fascism as a political perspective and personal mindset does not and will not lead to a society of equality and fairness. Nazism was originally a form of fascism, even Mussolini who is relatively 'moderate' was a racist, homophobic bigot more than happy to wipe out 'undesirables.' PDC was an excellent player, and may yet be a good manager, and I will not say that he does not have the right to his views... but to me, they are reprehensible.
Incorrect, nazism is not fascism, it's national socialism which mixes elements of fascism and socialism. Fascism is actually a fairly broad term depending on which stage Italy was. 1923-1935ish it was arguably a good time to be in Italy, unless you were a Marxist. It wasn't until the Second World War and the axis alliance that Mussolini moved his views to anti Semitic and not aryan, to appease hitler. Which leads on to my next point.
I honestly don't know what mussolinis real opinions were, they guy was a massive sell out. Before 1917 he was an active member of the Italian communist party. The only reason that he was chucked out was really because of joining the army and changing his conscientious objector status. After the war he then went on the greatest sell out mission, basically allying himself with big businesses and discontented working class people. All the people that were scared of the communist threat. He invented modern Italian fascism but was making it up as he went along. He even attempted to write the theory of fascism (can't remember what it's called but I think you can get hold of it) but really wasn't much of a success and was repeatedly overlooked and edited.
So I don't really think that an Italian who identifies as fascist does not necessarily be racist.
And to clarify, I believe David was the labour voter favourite but the members did a load of backhanders (what a surprise) and ed won the vote. Aren't labour voters meant to be the working class?
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I will indeed get over myself.
We all come across people whose ideals we might not entirely agree with but as long as those ideals dont articulate themselves to the detriment of humanity, then it should be the way of the modern world to respect them and leave them be. It is also hypocrisy to berate someone with extreme political views on one side of the spectrum because history tells us that both right and left have their own extensive tales of repression and inhumanity. On the basis of how PDC has been treated the next time someone comes out and shouts out support of the extreme left, we should as a society treat them equally as negatively but something tells me that wouldn't happen.
Purely from a footballing perspective PCD deserves respect- he was genius. Two moments that stand out for me from his time at CAFC. The first was Pompey away where for 70 mins Deano had somehow kept us only 1-0 down, PDC came on, changed the game and we won 2-1. The second was the 4-2 Chelsea game during which he was our best player. I will never forget that day a perfect 70 yard pass across the pitch he hit with his second touch having got the ball facing the dugout. Unbelievable.
Pay attention.
And you a Leftie too! Tut-tut.
Then why did Ed win more votes?
Is basic maths really that difficult for you?
Nothing wrong with my account, but does there appears to be something awry with your ability to determine the difference from the person who won the most votes in an election and the person who came second.
Of course you could just say that you neglected to engage your brain before pressing send...
So in total did he win more votes than David Milliband?
Read the thread and when in a hole, stop digging.
Or alternatively I'll explain, maybe you were on holiday at the time?
Kentaddick said that David was the man most wanted to win the Labour leadership.
Correct.
DAVID Miliband was favourite to win, more PEOPLE wanted him. I don't have the figures in front of me but I'm pretty sure that throughout the election more MP's voted for David and more individual party members did until the very last round when it was clear that the other Ed's (Balls) voters would switch to Ed.
Ed had done a deal with the Trades Unions and got their support and vote.
Ok now?
And I always thought you followed politics?
I used to read your comments with interest as although I normally disagreed you had interesting points, don't think I'll bother anymore.
Err it was - most people wanted Ed not David to lead the Labour party. At least that's what I would conclude from Ed actually winning more votes. You appear to be confusing the word "favourite" with what actually happened.
Read the thread and when in a hole, stop digging.
The irony...
I used to read your comments with interest as although I normally disagreed you had interesting points, don't think I'll bother anymore.
Somehow I think I'll survive.
As for his political views, I can't say I like them, but at least he has the guts to come and and admit what he believes. Some people seem to want to push others aside when they state what they believe in ironically a similar fashion to the eradication of a race of humanity. It reminds me of the ridiculous sacking of Hoddle who was basically sacked for believing in re-incarnation. These kind of reactions show the worst side of Britain's 'holier than thou' attitudes.
I believe he will succeed because he does everything with conviction. Players who want to win will fight for him and those with a losing mentality will be eradicated. His kind of management is a kind of survival of the fittest and strongest. It might not work when a leader of a society (e.G. Mussolini or Hitler) employs these methods but it will bloody well work for a football team. The players will play for him like the Forest players played for Clough.
(IMHO).
And to people believing this is only because it's a right-wing view, if someone came out with Communist or Anarchist views i'm sure they'd be treated exactly the same.
I honestly don't know what mussolinis real opinions were, they guy was a massive sell out. Before 1917 he was an active member of the Italian communist party. The only reason that he was chucked out was really because of joining the army and changing his conscientious objector status. After the war he then went on the greatest sell out mission, basically allying himself with big businesses and discontented working class people. All the people that were scared of the communist threat. He invented modern Italian fascism but was making it up as he went along. He even attempted to write the theory of fascism (can't remember what it's called but I think you can get hold of it) but really wasn't much of a success and was repeatedly overlooked and edited.
So I don't really think that an Italian who identifies as fascist does not necessarily be racist.
And to clarify, I believe David was the labour voter favourite but the members did a load of backhanders (what a surprise) and ed won the vote. Aren't labour voters meant to be the working class?