Despair of what paulsturgess? No "take us to the next level" nonsense from me, just an opinion, his time is gone. The club imploded after the end of such a long stewardship and dominant personality left the building. See Old Trafford for similar. As for his sparkling wit? Macknificent.
So he didn't have a "personality"? What you mean he wasn't some outspoken attention-grabbing clown talking pony in the press every day of the week like that chump Holloway, or Mourinho? Good. Personally I think Curbs is/was a thoughtful, intelligent and down to earth bloke who generally spoke a hell of a lot of sense in all of his interviews. I always found his interviews very interesting as they were insightful and he actually spoke sense. Would rather fast forward through most of the dross spoken on MOTD by others.
And personally I did think he understood Charlton and had a rapport with the supporters. Anyone who stuck around for his speech and saw his emotion after that Blackburn game could realise that. That is why he did so well as our manager. He understood the Club.
It winds me up the way people criticise the supposedly dire football we played as though this was his default, like Sam Allardyce. He tried to play good football and succeeded in spells (97/98, 03/04, and the start of his last season with Rommedahl, Thomas, Murphy and Bent), but when we weren't capable of that he reverted to alternatives to get us points. Versatility. Calling him a poor man's George Graham is insulting... but if he goes to Palace it won't necessarily be far off.
I mean he was arrogant in person and presentable in public. Where was the criticism of dire football? I believe I said he did a good job. He won't manage again at high level, too long out, seems reasonable assumption to me. In terms of the relationship with supporters he was not a patch on Powell but to assume that any player or manager won't leave, join the rival side, disappear in a puff of smoke is childish. I assume that the fact that we all put off something more useful to post on here is because it is only us that have the long term interest and sense of belonging that come from being a supporter not a playing/ coaching/ managing employee.
I'm surprised that Curbs has been out of a manager's job for so long, and I wouldn't mind a bit if he pitched up at Palace. It's possible that many club directors are wary of hiring him following the principled stand he took at West Ham when players were bought and sold over his head.
So he didn't have a "personality"? What you mean he wasn't some outspoken attention-grabbing clown talking pony in the press every day of the week like that chump Holloway, or Mourinho? Good. Personally I think Curbs is/was a thoughtful, intelligent and down to earth bloke who generally spoke a hell of a lot of sense in all of his interviews. I always found his interviews very interesting as they were insightful and he actually spoke sense. Would rather fast forward through most of the dross spoken on MOTD by others.
And personally I did think he understood Charlton and had a rapport with the supporters. Anyone who stuck around for his speech and saw his emotion after that Blackburn game could realise that. That is why he did so well as our manager. He understood the Club.
It winds me up the way people criticise the supposedly dire football we played as though this was his default, like Sam Allardyce. He tried to play good football and succeeded in spells (97/98, 03/04, and the start of his last season with Rommedahl, Thomas, Murphy and Bent), but when we weren't capable of that he reverted to alternatives to get us points. Versatility. Calling him a poor man's George Graham is insulting... but if he goes to Palace it won't necessarily be far off.
Absolutely bang on the money there mate, particularly your last para. Nothing pisses me off more than the narrow minded "Curbs ain't good enough to take us to the next level" brigade, In reality he had already taken us to the next level and then he fashioned a side that had real shot at Champions league spot until Parker jumped ship. He'd raised Charlton's standing to the point where he could persuade players like Rommedahl, Murphy, Smertin and Bent to buy into the clubs future. He got us playing some great football where we could, but able to grind out results against sides with bigger budgets and better players. The trouble with fans is the tendency to only focus on what's wrong and disregard what's right, i.e the bigger picture. I'l be gutted if Curbs goes to Palace, but it would be natural for him to take it if offered. I'll bet Merv is at home in a state of high anxiety ;-)
So he didn't have a "personality"? What you mean he wasn't some outspoken attention-grabbing clown talking pony in the press every day of the week like that chump Holloway, or Mourinho? Good. Personally I think Curbs is/was a thoughtful, intelligent and down to earth bloke who generally spoke a hell of a lot of sense in all of his interviews. I always found his interviews very interesting as they were insightful and he actually spoke sense. Would rather fast forward through most of the dross spoken on MOTD by others.
And personally I did think he understood Charlton and had a rapport with the supporters. Anyone who stuck around for his speech and saw his emotion after that Blackburn game could realise that. That is why he did so well as our manager. He understood the Club.
It winds me up the way people criticise the supposedly dire football we played as though this was his default, like Sam Allardyce. He tried to play good football and succeeded in spells (97/98, 03/04, and the start of his last season with Rommedahl, Thomas, Murphy and Bent), but when we weren't capable of that he reverted to alternatives to get us points. Versatility. Calling him a poor man's George Graham is insulting.
Agree with every thing apart from the last sentence. He does speak a lot of sense and I believe he has the respect of all football fans in england and not just Charlton.
I actually enjoy his opinion.
The more senior pundits on sky , merson, le tissier etc are no where near as knowledgable.
The criticism of Pulis's so called style of play, is daft. Stoke were hardly a Wimbledon or Cambridge Utd in terms of back to front long ball. Sure they played off their front man but their wingers were a big part of their threat. And so what that they had a long-throw specialist too? If Delap had been good enough to play for Arsenal, would they have refused to use such a weapon on the grounds that it was unsightly and downright beastly?
Curbishley's style of play, was to get reasonably adept technical players who had the right attitude and worked for each other. The best teams in the world are also the hardest working teams (Bayern & Dortmund both work tremendously hard to get the ball back). He signed many players and for the most part, he got characters in that he thought would fit the mold and not be too big for their boots. Nelson, Gatting, Robinson, KInsella, Mendonca, Hunt, Kiely, Powell, Fish, Kishishev, Jensen, Young, Bent.....to name but a few. Anyone who criticises his style of play couldn't have watched some of the dross served up by Charlton in the 70's & early 80's. Finishing halfway in Division 2 was something of an achievement in those days, let alone thinking about getting to Division 1.
I would have no problem at all about Curbishley managing Crystal Palace because, in my view, life's too short to get hung about about such things. He's a decent football man whose experience has largely been going to waste for a number of years but I certainly don't buy all this crap about being out of the game for too long. You either know how to manage a football club or you don't...and Alan Curbishley does.
The criticism of Pulis's so called style of play, is daft. Stoke were hardly a Wimbledon or Cambridge Utd in terms of back to front long ball. Sure they played off their front man but their wingers were a big part of their threat. And so what that they had a long-throw specialist too? If Delap had been good enough to play for Arsenal, would they have refused to use such a weapon on the grounds that it was unsightly and downright beastly?
Curbishley's style of play, was to get reasonably adept technical players who had the right attitude and worked for each other. The best teams in the world are also the hardest working teams (Bayern & Dortmund both work tremendously hard to get the ball back). He signed many players and for the most part, he got characters in that he thought would fit the mold and not be too big for their boots. Nelson, Gatting, Robinson, KInsella, Mendonca, Hunt, Kiely, Powell, Fish, Kishishev, Jensen, Young, Bent.....to name but a few. Anyone who criticises his style of play couldn't have watched some of the dross served up by Charlton in the 70's & early 80's. Finishing halfway in Division 2 was something of an achievement in those days, let alone thinking about getting to Division 1.
I would have no problem at all about Curbishley managing Crystal Palace because, in my view, life's too short to get hung about about such things. He's a decent football man whose experience has largely been going to waste for a number of years but I certainly don't buy all this crap about being out of the game for too long. You either know how to manage a football club or you don't...and Alan Curbishley does.
The criticism of Pulis's so called style of play, is daft. Stoke were hardly a Wimbledon or Cambridge Utd in terms of back to front long ball. Sure they played off their front man but their wingers were a big part of their threat. And so what that they had a long-throw specialist too? If Delap had been good enough to play for Arsenal, would they have refused to use such a weapon on the grounds that it was unsightly and downright beastly?
Curbishley's style of play, was to get reasonably adept technical players who had the right attitude and worked for each other. The best teams in the world are also the hardest working teams (Bayern & Dortmund both work tremendously hard to get the ball back). He signed many players and for the most part, he got characters in that he thought would fit the mold and not be too big for their boots. Nelson, Gatting, Robinson, KInsella, Mendonca, Hunt, Kiely, Powell, Fish, Kishishev, Jensen, Young, Bent.....to name but a few. Anyone who criticises his style of play couldn't have watched some of the dross served up by Charlton in the 70's & early 80's. Finishing halfway in Division 2 was something of an achievement in those days, let alone thinking about getting to Division 1.
I would have no problem at all about Curbishley managing Crystal Palace because, in my view, life's too short to get hung about about such things. He's a decent football man whose experience has largely been going to waste for a number of years but I certainly don't buy all this crap about being out of the game for too long. You either know how to manage a football club or you don't...and Alan Curbishley does.
Your last line for me sums it up , Curbs has been effectively paid by tv companies to give his opinion , i'm sure he has a wish list of players that he'd like to sign given the funds and the opportunity , whether Football clubs want to take a punt on him , or have in the back of their mind they are going to end up paying him a massive settlement fee i don't know , allegedly he got a £3 million settlement fee from West Ham , but from Curbs point of view, why put yourself through all the aggro and stress / time away from the family again , good luck to Curbs whatever he decided to do , be it a tv career or whatever.
I wish he could still have some input here ( not management) but to bin the experience he has is wrong imo , i hope him and Chris Powell still get on , and hope Chris stays in touch & picks his brains occasionally.
Anyone who criticises his style of play couldn't have watched some of the dross served up by Charlton in the 70's & early 80's. Finishing halfway in Division 2 was something of an achievement in those days, let alone thinking about getting to Division 1.
You forgot to mention most of the sixties. 3 good years.
If he goes there I would have no hard feelings about it whatsoever, this could be his last shot at management so you can't expect him to turn his nose up at it just because its Palace.
It looks as if Pulis is the preferred candidate anyway, I hope Palace fans don't have sore necks by the end of the season with the shitehouse football Pulis encourages.
Sure, Pulis made Stoke hard to beat but its no secret that the players basically said to the Chairman that they wanted him out because he was so rigid in his approach.
I would like to see Curbs have a crack at a decent club like Ipswich or Brighton than the Nigels but you have to take the chances when they come in.
By the way, the media work for football experts on TV does not really pay all that well, the likes of Neville/Carragher/Owen would be on good money (nowhere near their playing wages) but the rest probably get between 500 quid and a grand for each appearance.
I can't believe some of the (earlier) comments on here.I don't want to single them out as that may cause unnecessary trouble but...calling him 'one trick pony'?Hoping he fails miserably and never gets a job again?Seriously?Are we talking about the same Curbishley?It's hard to describe what he did for us in just one sentence and I thought every local Charlton fan knew that better than me.I'm simply so so surprised by the level of ingratitude some of the fans have shown.
My take is that he hears all the guff about "an experienced premiership manager" and is simply reminding people that he still exists.
To be honest I didn't expect Curbs' reaction like that either at first.But after reading LenGlover's comment above,I don't have a problem with that at all now.I wish Curbs success in whatever he does in future,as I always have.I'd be much happier if it wasn't the Palace job of course but if he did eventually get it,it wouldn't change the fact a bit that he is a Charlton legend and forever my biggest football hero.
Explanation necessary - next time Ill be sure to use a literal translation. The analogy is betrayal too close to home by one you love Henry. Hopefully that makes sense mate.
Im not sure 'Palace need to appoint somebody with Premier League experience and Ive got 328 games worth' is a pundit filling dead time on the box but as I say sounds like nobody else is bothered anyway. The only reason I raised it was because I was disappointed by it and I thought the place to share my disappointment was a Charlton forum but obviously my feelings right or wrong differ from most. I have spent a very large chunk of my life following Charlton and old Curbs has been a rather significant part of that. Personally i rather not think of my lifelong heroes as bank managers switching from one job to the next but each to their own.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned, don't have time to wade through 6 pages. I remember when Stevie Brown left us & was looking for a new club & it was rumoured palarse were interested, when asked about the possibilty of going to shithurst he replied " I could never possibly join that lot after playing for Charlton" Stevie Brown won't let you down ! ;-)
i whore my skills out to the highest bidder its why i started my Ltd company------------there is no loyalty at my level if i feck up ,and i show them limited loyalty --i get offered more money they will get the 1 weeks notice they have to give me ----------------Curbs has his family and its his job.
Better off on sky,those windbags make more on there than they ever did playing the game!!! Plus unless you do a Ron Atkinson you seem safe for a decent run.
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No "take us to the next level" nonsense from me, just an opinion, his time is gone. The club imploded after the end of such a long stewardship and dominant personality left the building. See Old Trafford for similar. As for his sparkling wit? Macknificent.
And personally I did think he understood Charlton and had a rapport with the supporters. Anyone who stuck around for his speech and saw his emotion after that Blackburn game could realise that. That is why he did so well as our manager. He understood the Club.
It winds me up the way people criticise the supposedly dire football we played as though this was his default, like Sam Allardyce. He tried to play good football and succeeded in spells (97/98, 03/04, and the start of his last season with Rommedahl, Thomas, Murphy and Bent), but when we weren't capable of that he reverted to alternatives to get us points. Versatility. Calling him a poor man's George Graham is insulting... but if he goes to Palace it won't necessarily be far off.
In terms of the relationship with supporters he was not a patch on Powell but to assume that any player or manager won't leave, join the rival side, disappear in a puff of smoke is childish.
I assume that the fact that we all put off something more useful to post on here is because it is only us that have the long term interest and sense of belonging that come from being a supporter not a playing/ coaching/ managing employee.
Nothing pisses me off more than the narrow minded "Curbs ain't good enough to take us to the next level" brigade,
In reality he had already taken us to the next level and then he fashioned a side that had real shot at Champions league spot until Parker jumped ship.
He'd raised Charlton's standing to the point where he could persuade players like Rommedahl, Murphy, Smertin and Bent to buy into the clubs future.
He got us playing some great football where we could, but able to grind out results against sides with bigger budgets and better players.
The trouble with fans is the tendency to only focus on what's wrong and disregard what's right, i.e the bigger picture.
I'l be gutted if Curbs goes to Palace, but it would be natural for him to take it if offered.
I'll bet Merv is at home in a state of high anxiety ;-)
I actually enjoy his opinion.
The more senior pundits on sky , merson, le tissier etc are no where near as knowledgable.
Curbishley's style of play, was to get reasonably adept technical players who had the right attitude and worked for each other. The best teams in the world are also the hardest working teams (Bayern & Dortmund both work tremendously hard to get the ball back). He signed many players and for the most part, he got characters in that he thought would fit the mold and not be too big for their boots. Nelson, Gatting, Robinson, KInsella, Mendonca, Hunt, Kiely, Powell, Fish, Kishishev, Jensen, Young, Bent.....to name but a few. Anyone who criticises his style of play couldn't have watched some of the dross served up by Charlton in the 70's & early 80's. Finishing halfway in Division 2 was something of an achievement in those days, let alone thinking about getting to Division 1.
I would have no problem at all about Curbishley managing Crystal Palace because, in my view, life's too short to get hung about about such things. He's a decent football man whose experience has largely been going to waste for a number of years but I certainly don't buy all this crap about being out of the game for too long. You either know how to manage a football club or you don't...and Alan Curbishley does.
Your last line for me sums it up , Curbs has been effectively paid by tv companies to give his opinion , i'm sure he has a wish list of players that he'd like to sign given the funds and the opportunity , whether Football clubs want to take a punt on him , or have in the back of their mind they are going to end up paying him a massive settlement fee i don't know , allegedly he got a £3 million settlement fee from West Ham , but from Curbs point of view, why put yourself through all the aggro and stress / time away from the family again , good luck to Curbs whatever he decided to do , be it a tv career or whatever.
I wish he could still have some input here ( not management) but to bin the experience he has is wrong imo , i hope him and Chris Powell still get on , and hope Chris stays in touch & picks his brains occasionally.
It looks as if Pulis is the preferred candidate anyway, I hope Palace fans don't have sore necks by the end of the season with the shitehouse football Pulis encourages.
Sure, Pulis made Stoke hard to beat but its no secret that the players basically said to the Chairman that they wanted him out because he was so rigid in his approach.
I would like to see Curbs have a crack at a decent club like Ipswich or Brighton than the Nigels but you have to take the chances when they come in.
By the way, the media work for football experts on TV does not really pay all that well, the likes of Neville/Carragher/Owen would be on good money (nowhere near their playing wages) but the rest probably get between 500 quid and a grand for each appearance.
I remember when Stevie Brown left us & was looking for a new club & it was rumoured palarse were interested, when asked about the possibilty of going to shithurst he replied " I could never possibly join that lot after playing for Charlton"
Stevie Brown won't let you down ! ;-)