Israel - time to exclude them from world sport?
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No - sport and politics do not mix well. Also, would they really care if banned from world sport? I don't think so7
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It helped in the 80s with South Africa...Yanntheman said:No - sport and politics do not mix well. Also, would they really care if banned from world sport? I don't think so
The situation in Gaza is worse than the apartheid in SA so anything that helps raise the volume of the global outrage against the illegal occupation and heavy handed illegal slaughtering of innocent civilians should be welcomed.8 -
600 rocket attacks in a few weeks against their people. What should their response be exactly ?5
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Possibly they wouldn't care but it would send a message that they are not welcome at the table. Evil exists because honourable men do nothing. Please someone post exact quote.Yanntheman said:No - sport and politics do not mix well. Also, would they really care if banned from world sport? I don't think so
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All that is necessary for the Triumph of evil is for good Men to do nothing
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No I agree that something needs to be done but I don't think that exclusion from sport is the right way to do it. It's sort of a way of avoiding taking any measures that actually have an impact or mean anything, in my eyes.harveys gardener said:
Possibly they wouldn't care but it would send a message that they are not welcome at the table. Evil exists because honourable men do nothing. Please someone post exact quote.Yanntheman said:No - sport and politics do not mix well. Also, would they really care if banned from world sport? I don't think so
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Difference is that rockets come from terrorists, Israel are a sovereign state that is targeting innocent civilians with the ethos "you kill one of us, we'll kill ten of you". And how do you justify their land grabbing and bulldozing Palestinian homes. Making a stand may make us safer from Islamic terrorists.alan dugdale said:600 rocket attacks in a few weeks against their people. What should their response be exactly ?
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Not justifying anything just asking what you think their alternative response should be.2
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I know nothing about the issues at play save for what I have observed in the Western media.
Accordingly I know nothing. Save that the situation is desperate and seems to be locked into some inexorable spiral of futility. Both nations are mere pawns in the game of US foreign policy.
whats the difference between a freedom fighter and a Terrorist beyond the passing of time?
I hate the expression Zi@@ist State unless it is referring to the Matrix films3 -
I don't see it having much effect. Excluding Israel from sport won't solve a problem which we helped to create. I wish life was that simple.1
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Nothing to do with sport.1
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Let the talking heads do what they will. It will make no difference.0
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Where does it end. Ban British teams because of Blairs wars ?1
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We were subject to Irish terrorism in less PC days and despite some questionable illegal responses now exposed, we did not resort to open murder.alan dugdale said:Not justifying anything just asking what you think their alternative response should be.
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30/01/1972harveys gardener said:
We were subject to Irish terrorism in less PC days and despite some questionable illegal responses now exposed, we did not resort to open murder.alan dugdale said:Not justifying anything just asking what you think their alternative response should be.
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How can they make peace with terrorists. Gaza is run by terrorists. They want the Jews dead- end of.harveys gardener said:They suffer from terrorism more than most countries but their land grabbing is relentless and their responses against civilian population is unforgivable. Any political action is vetoed by USA who arm them. Time to sidestep the Yanks. Seeing how we were instrumental in setting up the Zionist state, perhaps up to us to crank up some pressure for them to act responsibly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHC8KC5cLs8&list=PLQ0NMVGWh-mB1EPNkLjUf4Bbegv35mbET&index=65 1 -
Hamas and Israel are just as bad as each other. Awful state of affairs, just one has nuclear weapons which, for me, is utterly terrifying.3
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They are not as bad as each other at all. How would the U.K deal with a similar situation? The Palestinians are brought up to hate Jews - much as the Hitler youth were.
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That Video is far too one sided to be taken seriously.
I have been told by both Palestinians and Israelis that Gaza is a hell hole under Extremist rule. There was actually a recent Israeli proposal to allow those in the West Bank to be ruled by same regime as the Strip...Palastinians voted against it because they know how extreme the current Hamas regime is there.. A big no to any Orthodox society which forces everyone to live by someones interpretation of some old books....
It is easy to be scared by Semitism...It is a somewhat exclusive culture with huge Power and influence across the Centuries.
But many good Men from this Isle died because a Final Solution is never that easy and what I want to say most on this thread is dont be quick to judge something you cannot possibly understand fully.
The Israeli Palestinian Conflict: 10 Myths Preven…:
http://youtu.be/GdtGOY8T5XE
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The reason why israel are killing innocent people is due to the fact that Hamas are using the gaza civilians as protection and hiding within them to fire their rockets. Such cowards.3
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I was in Palestine last October, when you see the settlements up close you actually realise how confronting they are, the Israelis are blatantly stealing the Palestinians land and then use their military to protect the settlements.
That said, I have spent a lot of time in Israel and gave many Israeli friends and also understand their concerns about dealing with some of the nutters in Hamas.
Bottom line though is that the violence and killing has to stop, it solves nothing.6 -
Agreed. It's an empty gesture.Yanntheman said:
No I agree that something needs to be done but I don't think that exclusion from sport is the right way to do it. It's sort of a way of avoiding taking any measures that actually have an impact or mean anything, in my eyes.harveys gardener said:
Possibly they wouldn't care but it would send a message that they are not welcome at the table. Evil exists because honourable men do nothing. Please someone post exact quote.Yanntheman said:No - sport and politics do not mix well. Also, would they really care if banned from world sport? I don't think so
I can kinda understand why it could be suggested: it makes it appear like the world is turning it's back on Israel and won't stand for the violence anymore.
In actual fact though, it's sport and we're talking about life and death, livelihoods and some truly horrific atrocities. Sport pales in to insignificance when confronted with that, and it would be a meaningless gesture that borders on being offensive and/or embarrassing.
For what it's worth, I don't know what the answer is. Personally I've always felt quite sympathetic towards the Israelis and can't begin to imagine how terrifying it must be to live in Israel and have the siege mentality that comes with living in a small nation being surrounded by hostile nations who will, and regularly do, indiscriminately fire rockets over the borders.
However, to watch on as a blood bath occurs and the violence goes both ways.. It's not easy, it will encourage further violence and ultimately continue. I don't see how this cycle can be broken. I sincerely hope someone out there can see a solution, and one day (soon) such a solution can exist.1 -
What, just two days after we've signed Ben Haim?4
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alan dugdale said:
600 rocket attacks in a few weeks against their people. What should their response be exactly ?</blockquote
- pack up and get off the land you stole with british supervision in 1948 would be the equitable answer. in addition, a) if you had been under the zionist jackboot since the 1948 nakba, you would be pissed off, maybe join the freedom fighters? b) the palestinian rockets are mere toys (do the damage data maths), compared with the (u.s. funded) might of the zionists. c) to get any clue as to the depth of the zionist arrogance, take an online look at the map of palestine pre-1948, immediately thereafter, and as a result of the years of subsequent strategic land-grabbing genocide, & then compound that with the daily systematic oppression from all sides of the now "balkanized" palestine - "peace talks" / huh!!!! its like 2 people discussing how the pizza should be divided, whlle one barefaced side eats much of the pizza! ...and please, any zionists or sympathizers can put away the knee jerk persecution complex, or anti-semitic accusations - i am anti-arrogance, anti eliitism, anti apartheid. there is already a robust boycott movement and divestment campaign against the zionist myth of is-it-real, and as the missiles rain down on the world's largest internment camp, a little attention from fifa would definitely help somewhat, as the rest of the world's governments seemingly yawn, or trot out the lazy, "both as bad as one another" reaction, or worse, "...but what about the palestinian rockets?" really people, i encourage you to look beneath the soundbites and wake up to this emblematic issue. i sense most british people would be fighting for basic rights, and some would mount an insurrection, if we had been treated like the palestinians have been for just one year, let alone since 1948. why do many lionize the anti-nazi underground and demonize the palestinian freedom fighters? reality check please...2 -
...and why keep calling it israel, as if it is a legitimate nation, as if it can ever be sustained without the explicit support of the u.s./europe, and systemic oppression and violence towards all around it? i call it "zionist occupied palestine" in discussion, and in reality, in 1948 it was a terrible idea, and is still a failed state and zionist myth, underpinned by a sub-text of anti-arab fears from the pink/euro-centric world.2
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cowards? what would YOU do under such systemic oppression over decades. did you/would you have support(ed) the underground movements in europe against the nazis? examine the contradiction of your probable answer please.000__Jaaaaay__000 said:The reason why israel are killing innocent people is due to the fact that Hamas are using the gaza civilians as protection and hiding within them to fire their rockets. Such cowards.
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not great views propagated by a few, but yes, understandable given the systemic zionist oppression since the 1948 nakba/genocide/ethnic cleanse.Godstone said:They are not as bad as each other at all. How would the U.K deal with a similar situation? The Palestinians are brought up to hate Jews - much as the Hitler youth were.
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this you tube distortion emanates from one calev myers and his cronies, well known arch zionist propogandist(s) and farrrr right winger. calev, the more you repeat these lies, they never become truths, but sadly as a result of the mega monied might of the insidious/ubiquitous zionist message machine, these delusions have become wrong headed beliefs for many who fail to employ the very basics of critical and questioning thought.calydon_road said:That Video is far too one sided to be taken seriously.
I have been told by both Palestinians and Israelis that Gaza is a hell hole under Extremist rule. There was actually a recent Israeli proposal to allow those in the West Bank to be ruled by same regime as the Strip...Palastinians voted against it because they know how extreme the current Hamas regime is there.. A big no to any Orthodox society which forces everyone to live by someones interpretation of some old books....
It is easy to be scared by Semitism...It is a somewhat exclusive culture with huge Power and influence across the Centuries.
But many good Men from this Isle died because a Final Solution is never that easy and what I want to say most on this thread is dont be quick to judge something you cannot possibly understand fully.
The Israeli Palestinian Conflict: 10 Myths Preven…:http://youtu.be/GdtGOY8T5XE
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I think whoever it was that gave them the land in the first place should take some responsibility3
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Both sides are destructive and arguably evil, who would commit genocide on the other if they could get away with it no questions asked. The difference is one side has rockets which don't really do all that much, let's not forget not one Israeli has died from the rockets fired recently, 172 Palestinians have, the other has fighter jets, tanks and even bulldozers.
I have no axe to grind, nothing against Jews, in fact if anything I am more hesitant about Islam than Judaism, but what Israel do in the middle east, they would never get away with on the national stage had the holocaust not have happened, and the parralels between the two are undoubtedly there.
I feel for the Palestinians like almost no other group on earth. They are suffering because we in the west decided they would by displacing them, if I was a Palestinian and my entire family had been killed by one of Israels bombs, and I had absolutely nothing, which is the case for most Palestinians, I would go out and do something. But they are largely uneducated and unfunded and are amazingly poor at putting their side across on the world stage in comparison to well funded well educated Israelis who are only to happy to call you an anti Semite if you claim that murder of children with phosphorous bombs is immoral.
People are scared of taking on Israel, along with a complete lack of appetite to take on an ally due to the fact it is a vital stepping stone into the region and one of the only sources of stability in the region. All this means the Palestinians are set to suffer, and ironically, due to the pursuance of a Jewish homeland, the Palestinians have lost theirs.9
