There are numerous accounts of weaker buildings burning hotter and longer and not collapsing, also theses are not the first planes to crash into buildings they didn't collapse
The bin laden family left the USA some days before 9/11 after years of living there.
Can't remember who but someone took out a massive insurance on both buildings weeks before 9/11
All this is actual fact. These are the main points I couldn't get past.
But a man in a cave done it, the same man who hid for over a decade. Go and shoot someone in the head and see if you can hide for over a decade, no matter who you are you aren't as high profile as he was. They had him on every radar. He also worked for the CIA during the gulf war, also declassified by the US government.
As I said In my other post 9/11 is a drop in the ocean so don't really care.
And for those who say the us government wouldn't kill thousands of people.
This is above government and the same bloodlines killed millions in wars dating back thousands of years. it is still happening today.
Remember rothschilds paid for both sides of ww1 and ww2.
They are not human and they feed on fear. That's the biggest emotion in the world.
Terror terror fear fear!
Love this line...'Can't remember who but someone took out a massive insurance on both buildings weeks before 9/11.'
And you present this as fact?
Perhaps it could be the next CL sweepstake...my money's on Ray at number 37.
There are numerous accounts of weaker buildings burning hotter and longer and not collapsing, also theses are not the first planes to crash into buildings they didn't collapse
Can you let me know of these examples, where a civilian aircraft flying heavy with kerosine crashed into a high rise building at 500mph?
There are numerous accounts of weaker buildings burning hotter and longer and not collapsing, also theses are not the first planes to crash into buildings they didn't collapse
Can you let me know of these examples, where a civilian aircraft flying heavy with kerosine crashed into a high rise building at 500mph?
Secret societies are a load of old shit. No doubt there are groups of people who think themselves to be ridiculously important and probably like the myth that they're part of some worldwide new order.
People fail to realise that most people are no more intelligent than you and me. There are those that were smart and managed to make money or keep hold of the money they inherited. The complexity of a "secret society" (that I guess, isn't that secret) is so ridiculously complicated I doubt a team of the best minds in the world can come up with it and then maintain it for "millennia". It's probably just a bunch of old rich blokes trading favours that some spotty teenager and keyboard hero thinks is a secret society.
Why would a secret society controlling the world "allowed" the invention of the internet, where people can talk about them etc. the more you think about it the more absurd set of circumstances have to happen for it to be true.
The fact is, we're on a small spec of dust orbiting a slightly larger spec which is a spec amongst a spec of galaxies in the universe. Life is not like a Hollywood movie, there is no big conspiracy and yes, your life is ultimately meaningless other than continuing the species on this spec going round a speck which is a spec amongst a spec in an ocean of specs.
Occams razor, the simplest theory is usually the correct one.
The 9/11 conspiracy stuff is pure nuts - but very dangerous.
I was once in cab home from the airport with a Bangladeshi cab driver, he would have been early 20s and when I told him I had just traveled from Los Angeles this is roughly how the conversation went....
Cabbie: So, you like America then?
Me: Yes, its a great place.
Cabbie: You do know that the American government were behind 9/11?
Me: What?
Cabbie: Yes, it was all a big ploy to attack Iraq....did you know that no Jews died in the Towers? All of the Jews received phone calls the night before telling them not to go to work the next day?
Me: Are you winding me up?
Cabbie: No, its true.
Me: Are you really trying to tell me that every Jewish person working in the Twin Towers received a phone call the night before telling them not to go to work? What about people who were only half-Jewish, did they get the call too?
Cabbie: I am telling you, its the truth, its all on the Internet.
Me: I think we'll leave it there, yeah?
This is why its dangerous, because the young and gullible reflexively believe this stuff and don't even bother to acquaint themselves with the fact that hundreds of Jews - and Muslims for that matter - died on 9/11 and one of the firms worst hit by the disaster - Cantor Fitzgerald - was started by a Jewish man and employed many Jewish Americans.
Bottom line is that the Americans got sucker punched on 9/11 just like they did at Pearl Harbour.
The only conspiracy theory I have any time for would be those surrounding MH370 - I have little doubt at all that people inside MA know exactly what happened but are suppressing it.
There are numerous accounts of weaker buildings burning hotter and longer and not collapsing, also theses are not the first planes to crash into buildings they didn't collapse
Can you let me know of these examples, where a civilian aircraft flying heavy with kerosine crashed into a high rise building at 500mph?
Can't remember who but someone took out a massive insurance on both buildings weeks before 9/11
Larry Silverstein is the guy you are referring to. He purchased the towers six months before 9/11 and quite sensibly took out insurance against them.
Incidently, he tried to get the payout doubled as he said there were two separate events. The US Courts increased his payment from $3.5bn to $4.6bn.
The rebuilding costs are estimated at $9bn - so he's hardly overflowing with surplus there.
I have answers for your points but I'm sure you would have answers for them and we would never agree so pointless
Maybe you are right. It is beliefs mate, some people believe there is a man who sits in the clouds called god.
I believe what I believe and if I'm wrong I'm not that bothered. forums are not the place to have a sensible debate I find. So I will get back to Carlton life, and leave the conspiracy stuff for a more relevant forum.
P.S weren't you one of the guys I met out in Belgum? Or am I getting confused? I'm the loud Scottish prick if you were that is, if not none of this will make sense lol
9/11 has been discussed too much (i don't think anyone will have a change off mind anymore?). What about more recent conspiracies?
A little old this link but the US/EU approach on MH17 downing of 'we will not show any evidence, everything is classified, just trust us' does not help their case against Russian claims! Especially after the agreement on August 8th between investigating countries that all data/results are 'classified' and no report will be shared unless all countries agree! After the extremely high anti-putin propaganda and the failure to provide (non social media) evidence very suspect. http://kickass-cookies.co.uk/malaysian-press-charges-ukraine-government-shot-mh-17-world-socialist-web-site/
But off course the central banking fiat currency ponzi scheme is the mother off all (true) conspiracy theories. I agree mostly with this guy (although it is a libertarian republican pretty anti-Obama perspective I don't agree fully with): http://www.dailypaul.com/324107/whats-happening-some-answers
Anyway this is a football forum, i should not be posting this here (sorry).
The only conspiracy theory I have any time for would be those surrounding MH370 - I have little doubt at all that people inside MA know exactly what happened but are suppressing it.
There are numerous accounts of weaker buildings burning hotter and longer and not collapsing, also theses are not the first planes to crash into buildings they didn't collapse
Can you let me know of these examples, where a civilian aircraft flying heavy with kerosine crashed into a high rise building at 500mph?
Can't remember who but someone took out a massive insurance on both buildings weeks before 9/11
Larry Silverstein is the guy you are referring to. He purchased the towers six months before 9/11 and quite sensibly took out insurance against them.
Incidently, he tried to get the payout doubled as he said there were two separate events. The US Courts increased his payment from $3.5bn to $4.6bn.
The rebuilding costs are estimated at $9bn - so he's hardly overflowing with surplus there.
P.S weren't you one of the guys I met out in Belgum? Or am I getting confused? I'm the loud Scottish prick if you were that is, if not none of this will make sense lol
Yep - that was me.
Taking a break from my research into the Bilderberg Group :-)
I always find it funny that people have a go about how useless their governments are, but then confer on them the ability to trick the entire world with an elaborate public murder scheme. You'd think if we were faking moon landings, engineering plane crashes and plotting explosions on public transport and then covering it up we could get the trains to run on time
There are numerous accounts of weaker buildings burning hotter and longer and not collapsing, also theses are not the first planes to crash into buildings they didn't collapse
Can you let me know of these examples, where a civilian aircraft flying heavy with kerosine crashed into a high rise building at 500mph?
Can't remember who but someone took out a massive insurance on both buildings weeks before 9/11
Larry Silverstein is the guy you are referring to. He purchased the towers six months before 9/11 and quite sensibly took out insurance against them.
Incidently, he tried to get the payout doubled as he said there were two separate events. The US Courts increased his payment from $3.5bn to $4.6bn.
The rebuilding costs are estimated at $9bn - so he's hardly overflowing with surplus there.
I have answers for your points but I'm sure you would have answers for them and we would never agree so pointless
Maybe you are right. It is beliefs mate, some people believe there is a man who sits in the clouds called god.
I believe what I believe and if I'm wrong I'm not that bothered. forums are not the place to have a sensible debate I find. So I will get back to Carlton life, and leave the conspiracy stuff for a more relevant forum.
P.S weren't you one of the guys I met out in Belgum? Or am I getting confused? I'm the loud Scottish prick if you were that is, if not none of this will make sense lol
but that is the point. it is not belief. it is science and fact that matters. good science based theories will look for the simplest understanding of the known facts, test them and improve the theory.
the trouble with conspiracy theories is that for any event there is one solution which came about from a number of factors (whether by design or accident) coming together to cause that event. however there is an almost infinite set of alternative (but incorrect) solutions possible by changing the variables that caused the event. so a conspiracy is built based on some fact, helpfully ignore anything that doesn't quite fit your story, change some variables by asking questions n a way that fit the story you are creating.
so for 9/11, we have footage of planes crashing into buildings and of buildings falling down. the simplest story is that some nutters took over planes, flew into buildings and weaknesses in the infrastructure of the buildings caused them to collapse. understanding the physics of why they collapsed is hugely complex and still being investigated, but there is some doubt as to whether they were built to withstand planes flying into them. the conspiracy theorist will say "ah, but what if it wasn't the plane, but some dastardly plot by people unknown. I have seen buildings collapse after explosions. I will assume that is the reason" said person then goes to get some experts who say yes, buildings will collapse after an explosion and here is the scientific evidence that buildings collapse from explosions. conspiracy theorist now has a plausible sounding story based on science that the building must have had explosions for it to collapse. in reality the added part is all based on supposition.
put it on the internet though and you buy into people's desire to find deeper meaning in things than are actually there. it grows, people add to the story, people with agendas add in their bit and it all becomes believable. but it still isn't true.
for virtually all these stories, the simplest story is the truth. stuff happens. idiots fly planes into buildings or bomb underground stations, drunks driving too fast crash in tunnels in paris. planes have accidents and fall out of the sky. people land on the moon.
it seems that people have an innate desire to have a good story, so conspiracy buys into that. this is particularly true where the event is closely related to you. you want to know in detail why your loved one has died in what appears to be a pointless way. so you will believe the conspiracy as it adds some sort of value to why things happen.
i have read much of the conspiracy theory material about 9/11 (and other famous conspiracy theories) and for the most part they are based on supposition and not on any real facts. they include some science but only in a tenuous way. sticking to the simplest story is a much better plan.
Shame to see some not looking at the facts but just insulting people who think differently to them. I don't care if people believe what I believe or not but don't attack it when u have know idea about the subject!
I have looked at the so called "facts" and have done for many years and nearly none of them stand up to any proper scrutiny. Most aren't even facts just questions ie "why didn't so and so do this?"
Any counter argument is dismissed as a cover up or the response is "but what about...." and so introducing yet another question. Because the conspiracy theorists can't imagine a reasonable answer with their limited and blinkered take on things it HAS to mean, in their minds, that anything can be true.
Chesterton said "When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything." I'm an atheist and a sceptic but I think he was right.
Maybe you could try stop using the internet as reliable source of information or as proof and use Occum's razor instead.
I listen to people like Steve pizchenik(however u spell his name) and mr spring man who know what they're talking about, as well as the 1000 architects and engineers who saw building 7 fall down by a small fire.
Pieczenik is the man who claimed the Sandy Hook School Shooting was a conspiracy too wasn't he. Everything is a conspiracy in his world.
He's just another weirdo making a living making up stuff to sell books and get on TV and you've fallen for it.
Well he knows more than u about intelligence operations. What do u do for a job?
I teach people that it is "you" not "U"
But again you frame it as a question.
So instead of answering the question YOU insult my internet speech. Didn't know u were my fucking English teacher
I would hate to be your English teacher. You got it right in the first sentence and wrong in the second.
Anyway as a Palace fan what do you think about Warnock's return?
@Henry Irving - I have always wanted to know and still struggle to understand when is it correct to use the term effect/effected and affect/affected? You alluded to teaching people earlier, so was hoping you might be able to help. I ask many people and get many different answers, or none at all.
They will be telling us there is no Loch Ness monster next.
In fact, there's no Loch Ness. Alex Salmond just went around painting bits of all the maps blue. I know this because if you compare an AA road atlas with a Collins road atlas, the Loch is shown in a slightly different position. If you look at Google Earth you can clearly see that it's just that parts of the A82 are flooded from all the rain they get up there.
If you get someone who seems to have some sort of power in their relative field to defend a conspiracy you can convince someone of anything. I'd love to know those who believe 9/11 was a controlled explosion for example, what experience they have in the controlled detonation of a skyscraper is supposed to look like. The only reason people believe this is because someone said so on a documentary on youtube.
Whenever a big event event happens their is always going to be someone saying 'x' caused just to push their agenda.
Indeed it is easy to convince people, especially when science is on the side of the conspiracy theory. Most scientist (and journalists) will however be reluctant to investigate 9/11 as it would be a really bad career choice. And no, i am not a controlled demolition expert, but i do know a few things about it. Also i do not claim to know the truth, i claim to know what is not the truth. There is more truth to be found on youtube than in main stream media. Granted you have to cut through a lot of BS. It is not because MSM repeats the official story 10000 times that this suddenly becomes the unquestionable truth.
Not trusting proven liars without evidence seems common sense to me.
I don't think 'knowing a few things about it' is enough to question how 1000's died that day just because you've watched a few conspiracy theories on the topic.
I find it so strange how people like to believe conspiracy theories surrounding governments just because they feel their incompetent/abusive or whatever. In doing so, your giving that incompetent government credit to cover up the biggest incidents in the 21st century
Right. Well i believe i can question anything i want. You should try it, it's a healthy attitude. But i don't need to convince anyone so i will stop posting now.
Well, for example, it's not that healthy to question the validity of certain innoculations. Or whether you can cross the road safely when the little red man is showing.
All i know is: - official story defies the laws of physics
Really - and what laws of physics are you relating to?
Well not really a law (little exaggeration sorry), but kerosene (or anything else present in planes or buildings) burning/exploding does not reach temperatures required to damage the metal construction of the buildings sufficiently.
And smashing a plane into the building wouldn't damage metal construction either?
Funnily enough - very little. Don't forget the aircraft were made of aluminium.
What's aluminium got to do with the price of fish? I don't know anything about physics but I do know that mass and velocity would be important factors in any calculation. They could have been made of feathers if the weight and speed had been the same. Perhaps they weren't planes but giant bald eagles or Thai fighting kites in mortal combat.
There are numerous accounts of weaker buildings burning hotter and longer and not collapsing, also theses are not the first planes to crash into buildings they didn't collapse
Can you let me know of these examples, where a civilian aircraft flying heavy with kerosine crashed into a high rise building at 500mph?
Can't remember who but someone took out a massive insurance on both buildings weeks before 9/11
Larry Silverstein is the guy you are referring to. He purchased the towers six months before 9/11 and quite sensibly took out insurance against them.
Incidently, he tried to get the payout doubled as he said there were two separate events. The US Courts increased his payment from $3.5bn to $4.6bn.
The rebuilding costs are estimated at $9bn - so he's hardly overflowing with surplus there.
I have answers for your points but I'm sure you would have answers for them and we would never agree so pointless
I believe what I believe and if I'm wrong I'm not that bothered. forums are not the place to have a sensible debate I find. So I will get back to Carlton life, and leave the conspiracy stuff for a more relevant forum.
Conspiracy Theorist "I have facts that prove it was a conspiracy"
Debunker (in this case Addickted and others "No, here are the actual facts and science
Conspiracy Theorist " Well, I'm not going to answer that, I could but not here, I'm entitled to an opinion, I'll go back to ConspiracyTheroists.com where everyone is as nutty as me and won't introduce inconvinient truths or counter arguements. That way I can ignore what you just told me and carry on believing the same old bollox.
There are numerous accounts of weaker buildings burning hotter and longer and not collapsing, also theses are not the first planes to crash into buildings they didn't collapse
The bin laden family left the USA some days before 9/11 after years of living there.
Can't remember who but someone took out a massive insurance on both buildings weeks before 9/11
All this is actual fact. These are the main points I couldn't get past.
But a man in a cave done it, the same man who hid for over a decade. Go and shoot someone in the head and see if you can hide for over a decade, no matter who you are you aren't as high profile as he was. They had him on every radar. He also worked for the CIA during the gulf war, also declassified by the US government.
As I said In my other post 9/11 is a drop in the ocean so don't really care.
And for those who say the us government wouldn't kill thousands of people.
This is above government and the same bloodlines killed millions in wars dating back thousands of years. it is still happening today.
Remember rothschilds paid for both sides of ww1 and ww2.
They are not human and they feed on fear. That's the biggest emotion in the world.
Terror terror fear fear!
Love this line...'Can't remember who but someone took out a massive insurance on both buildings weeks before 9/11.'
And you present this as fact?
Perhaps it could be the next CL sweepstake...my money's on Ray at number 37.
Remember rothschilds paid for both sides of ww1 and ww2.
True or not, it ignores completely that the Rothschild family was huge with separate branches in England, Germany, Austria and Switzerland. So it's no different from saying "Remember Smiths work metal" and is entirely meaningless.
Wow. What a thread. Discovered it 15 minutes ago, tried to read as much as I could, but it got silly by page 3. I now know what happens to a comment when it gets 5 flags.
The fact is, we're on a small spec of dust orbiting a slightly larger spec which is a spec amongst a spec of galaxies in the universe. Life is not like a Hollywood movie, there is no big conspiracy and yes, your life is ultimately meaningless...
Indeed, people are scared to accept that there is nobody on Earth controlling the stuff that happens to us. Much easier to believe the government are capable of this stuff. But let's face it, they couldn't cover up their expenses. How the hell would they cover up a series of events that would have required literally hundreds of people to keep their mouths shut?
There are numerous accounts of weaker buildings burning hotter and longer and not collapsing, also theses are not the first planes to crash into buildings they didn't collapse
Can you let me know of these examples, where a civilian aircraft flying heavy with kerosine crashed into a high rise building at 500mph?
Allows food and drink retailers of all types to charge more for less on "health" grounds and NHS officials to justify arguing for non or severely delayed treatment for certain illnesses on the grounds that they are "self inflicted."
Political correctness of course stops them using the "self inflicted" meme when it comes to HIV and AIDS. Strange that.
Interestingly cuba teach that the moon landings were faked.
But that should be resolved in next couple of years when china land on it!
I read the theories about moon landing fakery years ago. I was very skeptical until I saw a film of one of the lunar modules taking off and the camera panned upwards to follow the trajectory of the spacecraft - how does that work, unless they left some poor fecker on the moon to operate it?
Allows food and drink retailers of all types to charge more for less on "health" grounds and NHS officials to justify arguing for non or severely delayed treatment for certain illnesses on the grounds that they are "self inflicted."
Political correctness of course stops them using the "self inflicted" meme when it comes to HIV and AIDS. Strange that.
Can you see the difference between obesity and liver disease on one hand and HIV and AIDS on the other? the similarity is obvious: there's a high degree of self-cause. But the difference is the extent to which they can be sef-cured.
Exercise, abstinence and a proper diet can cure a lot of chronic conditions. But you can't self-cure AIDS.
Can't remember who but someone took out a massive insurance on both buildings weeks before 9/11
All this is actual fact. These are the main points I couldn't get past.
Buildings of huge value in insurance cover arrangement shock horror? That's it is it. Someone took out some massive insurance on both buildings so that's very suspicious is it? Well l'll let you into a secret, every single privately owned massive building has massive insurance taken out on it to protect the owners against catastrophic damage like, for example aircraft crashing into them or terrorist attacks. That's not a conspiracy, it's normal commercial practice and by the way catastrophe insurances run for fixed periods (like your car insurance) usually for 12 months and then get renewed or replaced.
Before you ask, I was an expert on catastrophe insurances a few years ago and the company I worked for arranged the cover on the twin towers. The main problem with the insurances were that they were arranged on a first loss basis with an automatic reinstatement provision. Post 9/11, there was a legal argument (the outcome of which I am not privy to), as to whether this was one loss or two losses. It's a legal technical point as to whether the insurance cover was correctly designed.
As regards the building collapse, the issue here is clear cut. The building was designed not to collapse (inherent strength), massive fires caused by the plane crashes overwhelmed the design. Rather like the Titanic, the designers never for saw the contingencies caused by the actual circumstances occurring. In a perfectly designed world where designers are infallible, disasters would be engineered out. As with the Titanic, they weren't.
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And you present this as fact?
Perhaps it could be the next CL sweepstake...my money's on Ray at number 37.
Seemed to have missed the news that day. All true except one word. You need to change 'before' to 'after'. Larry Silverstein is the guy you are referring to. He purchased the towers six months before 9/11 and quite sensibly took out insurance against them.
Incidently, he tried to get the payout doubled as he said there were two separate events. The US Courts increased his payment from $3.5bn to $4.6bn.
The rebuilding costs are estimated at $9bn - so he's hardly overflowing with surplus there.
People fail to realise that most people are no more intelligent than you and me. There are those that were smart and managed to make money or keep hold of the money they inherited. The complexity of a "secret society" (that I guess, isn't that secret) is so ridiculously complicated I doubt a team of the best minds in the world can come up with it and then maintain it for "millennia". It's probably just a bunch of old rich blokes trading favours that some spotty teenager and keyboard hero thinks is a secret society.
Why would a secret society controlling the world "allowed" the invention of the internet, where people can talk about them etc. the more you think about it the more absurd set of circumstances have to happen for it to be true.
The fact is, we're on a small spec of dust orbiting a slightly larger spec which is a spec amongst a spec of galaxies in the universe. Life is not like a Hollywood movie, there is no big conspiracy and yes, your life is ultimately meaningless other than continuing the species on this spec going round a speck which is a spec amongst a spec in an ocean of specs.
Occams razor, the simplest theory is usually the correct one.
I was once in cab home from the airport with a Bangladeshi cab driver, he would have been early 20s and when I told him I had just traveled from Los Angeles this is roughly how the conversation went....
Cabbie: So, you like America then?
Me: Yes, its a great place.
Cabbie: You do know that the American government were behind 9/11?
Me: What?
Cabbie: Yes, it was all a big ploy to attack Iraq....did you know that no Jews died in the Towers? All of the Jews received phone calls the night before telling them not to go to work the next day?
Me: Are you winding me up?
Cabbie: No, its true.
Me: Are you really trying to tell me that every Jewish person working in the Twin Towers received a phone call the night before telling them not to go to work? What about people who were only half-Jewish, did they get the call too?
Cabbie: I am telling you, its the truth, its all on the Internet.
Me: I think we'll leave it there, yeah?
This is why its dangerous, because the young and gullible reflexively believe this stuff and don't even bother to acquaint themselves with the fact that hundreds of Jews - and Muslims for that matter - died on 9/11 and one of the firms worst hit by the disaster - Cantor Fitzgerald - was started by a Jewish man and employed many Jewish Americans.
Bottom line is that the Americans got sucker punched on 9/11 just like they did at Pearl Harbour.
The only conspiracy theory I have any time for would be those surrounding MH370 - I have little doubt at all that people inside MA know exactly what happened but are suppressing it.
Maybe you are right. It is beliefs mate, some people believe there is a man who sits in the clouds called god.
I believe what I believe and if I'm wrong I'm not that bothered. forums are not the place to have a sensible debate I find. So I will get back to Carlton life, and leave the conspiracy stuff for a more relevant forum.
P.S weren't you one of the guys I met out in Belgum? Or am I getting confused? I'm the loud Scottish prick
9/11 has been discussed too much (i don't think anyone will have a change off mind anymore?). What about more recent conspiracies?
A little old this link but the US/EU approach on MH17 downing of 'we will not show any evidence, everything is classified, just trust us' does not help their case against Russian claims! Especially after the agreement on August 8th between investigating countries that all data/results are 'classified' and no report will be shared unless all countries agree! After the extremely high anti-putin propaganda and the failure to provide (non social media) evidence very suspect.
http://kickass-cookies.co.uk/malaysian-press-charges-ukraine-government-shot-mh-17-world-socialist-web-site/
But off course the central banking fiat currency ponzi scheme is the mother off all (true) conspiracy theories. I agree mostly with this guy (although it is a libertarian republican pretty anti-Obama perspective I don't agree fully with):
http://www.dailypaul.com/324107/whats-happening-some-answers
Anyway this is a football forum, i should not be posting this here (sorry).
BB
Taking a break from my research into the Bilderberg Group :-)
the trouble with conspiracy theories is that for any event there is one solution which came about from a number of factors (whether by design or accident) coming together to cause that event. however there is an almost infinite set of alternative (but incorrect) solutions possible by changing the variables that caused the event. so a conspiracy is built based on some fact, helpfully ignore anything that doesn't quite fit your story, change some variables by asking questions n a way that fit the story you are creating.
so for 9/11, we have footage of planes crashing into buildings and of buildings falling down. the simplest story is that some nutters took over planes, flew into buildings and weaknesses in the infrastructure of the buildings caused them to collapse. understanding the physics of why they collapsed is hugely complex and still being investigated, but there is some doubt as to whether they were built to withstand planes flying into them. the conspiracy theorist will say "ah, but what if it wasn't the plane, but some dastardly plot by people unknown. I have seen buildings collapse after explosions. I will assume that is the reason" said person then goes to get some experts who say yes, buildings will collapse after an explosion and here is the scientific evidence that buildings collapse from explosions. conspiracy theorist now has a plausible sounding story based on science that the building must have had explosions for it to collapse. in reality the added part is all based on supposition.
put it on the internet though and you buy into people's desire to find deeper meaning in things than are actually there. it grows, people add to the story, people with agendas add in their bit and it all becomes believable. but it still isn't true.
for virtually all these stories, the simplest story is the truth. stuff happens. idiots fly planes into buildings or bomb underground stations, drunks driving too fast crash in tunnels in paris. planes have accidents and fall out of the sky. people land on the moon.
it seems that people have an innate desire to have a good story, so conspiracy buys into that. this is particularly true where the event is closely related to you. you want to know in detail why your loved one has died in what appears to be a pointless way. so you will believe the conspiracy as it adds some sort of value to why things happen.
i have read much of the conspiracy theory material about 9/11 (and other famous conspiracy theories) and for the most part they are based on supposition and not on any real facts. they include some science but only in a tenuous way. sticking to the simplest story is a much better plan.
Bit off piste I know
A story, (no need to prove the theory) and fool to believe.
Perhaps they weren't planes but giant bald eagles or Thai fighting kites in mortal combat.
Conspiracy Theorist "I have facts that prove it was a conspiracy"
Debunker (in this case Addickted and others "No, here are the actual facts and science
Conspiracy Theorist " Well, I'm not going to answer that, I could but not here, I'm entitled to an opinion, I'll go back to ConspiracyTheroists.com where everyone is as nutty as me and won't introduce inconvinient truths or counter arguements. That way I can ignore what you just told me and carry on believing the same old bollox.
I wonder what bloodline that is meant to be : - (
But that should be resolved in next couple of years when china land on it!
GIFSoup
Allows food and drink retailers of all types to charge more for less on "health" grounds and NHS officials to justify arguing for non or severely delayed treatment for certain illnesses on the grounds that they are "self inflicted."
Political correctness of course stops them using the "self inflicted" meme when it comes to HIV and AIDS. Strange that.
Exercise, abstinence and a proper diet can cure a lot of chronic conditions. But you can't self-cure AIDS.
Before you ask, I was an expert on catastrophe insurances a few years ago and the company I worked for arranged the cover on the twin towers. The main problem with the insurances were that they were arranged on a first loss basis with an automatic reinstatement provision. Post 9/11, there was a legal argument (the outcome of which I am not privy to), as to whether this was one loss or two losses. It's a legal technical point as to whether the insurance cover was correctly designed.
As regards the building collapse, the issue here is clear cut. The building was designed not to collapse (inherent strength), massive fires caused by the plane crashes overwhelmed the design. Rather like the Titanic, the designers never for saw the contingencies caused by the actual circumstances occurring. In a perfectly designed world where designers are infallible, disasters would be engineered out. As with the Titanic, they weren't.